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They aren’t talking about the 404media site.

Accountwalled then

You might want to work on your reading comprehension.

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They aren’t talking about the news site. They are talking about the AI site.

Is 404 an AI site?

No, I am saying that sharing fantasies about underage children with a shady and poorly designed AI porn site, shows a serious lack of judgement and impulse control.

For that reason, yeah, they probably deserve having a quick review of their life to make sure that’s the only poor choice they’ve made in regards to that particular fantasy.

And they weren’t just reading, they were prompting the LLM model to generate these specific fantasies. They didn’t just come across a fucked up website and read a few forum posts.

I mean, if those stories were made by their prompts and about having sex with children then maybe 🤷‍♂️

I know we need to draw a line about what police can do with that sort of info so it’s not abused, but these people are still sick fucks.

*ask to be written

Americans frighten me

If I get to know all that stuff about my neighbors, my neighbors get to know tons of information about me too.

Hard pass. Wake me when someone commits a crime.

instead of knowing someone in the neighborhood is researching how to get away with murder.

…how would I know that?

There are literally tv shows about how to get away with murder. Very popular ones. Those viewers don’t murder at a higher rate than others.

Lmao are you out here saying we should essentially smear people for thought crimes?

As a fiction writer, I do research on espionage, sabotage and even methods of assassination all the time. But I’m not going to make a salted bomb and nuke Jerusalem even though that is an entirely viable evil plot that may even create a net negative death toll.

True poisoners, as Agatha Christie notes, use thallium, not arsenic nor cyanide (though ricin is good if you can get it.) Thallium assassins are also self-regulating, like demolitions experts, killing off those insufficiently careful when handling the stuff.

Modern police are lazy until enough of a stink is made to find a culprit for a specific incident, which is why modern assassins targeting VIPs will find a self-radicalized desperado and point them toward the target. This is the sort of thing FBI is looking for in the investigations of Crooks and Routh. They are likely just blue suicides (or green suicides in this case) but finding a operative pointing them towards Trump would indicate an actual plot. But even if those tracks are found, it would unlikely lead to a specific identity.

I know about this not just to write fiction, but also to understand how things happen, how our fall into one party autocracy and societal collapse plays out. And yes, it means I do a lot of web searches that might excite an onlooking behavioral research agent. Sadly, they’d find I’m yet another boring false positive, though if the nation does succumb to autocracy, I’d certainly write for the resistance. FBI may not care so much about that.

We often look up creepy things just so see if we can, and we do that a lot more than because we’re eager to build a bomb or fast-track our inheritance.

See, imo this is the exact kind of thinking that makes pedophilia dangerous. Most people would agree that being attracted to children is a mental illness. Most people would agree that mental illnesses should be treated by a knowledgeable professional. But pedophilia is so stigmatized that someone even admitting they have a problem, one I very much doubt most of them want to have, has people calling for them to be drawn and quartered, regardless of if they’ve ever actually hurt anyone.

Do I like that there’s art and writing of people having fantasies about children? No, of course not. But making it impossible for people to have a safe outlet, to even talk about it with a medical professional for fear of imprisonment, death threats, or worse, makes it so these people can’t even get the help they need. It’s like teaching abstinence only sex ed. You’re trying to get people to stop having fantasies by burying them, but it only exacerbates the issue.

Edit: lol got your downvote less than five minutes in and the whole comment edited to just say “pedophiles bad.” I guess I, as you like to put it, “hit a nerve.”

Like it or not, pedophilia actually sometimes just occurs naturally in humans. To blanket reject all pedophiles even the ones that never offended probably worsens things rather than improving them (which I guess is your goal).

My main issue with such models is that CV ones could be trained on real pictures of real minors who are actually trafficked and their images and faces should never end up in the hands of people jerking off given the trauma they likely suffer from.

Your psycho-pass is clouding, and your crime coefficient is well over 100.

I missed the original comment and this discussion now makes no sense. Why would you edit the content of your comment when you don’t care about the points or the outrage?

Im not talking about Lolicon, fuck that.

I think that this is ironic and a poor choice of words. It’s almost a pun.

Could also be that those are the only porns with even a half assed attempt at a plot instead of just opening with a ground and pound

As the other comment implies, that’s just the easiest plot to shove porn into. I don’t think that many people are watching it for the plot, it just happens to be there. Like, people aren’t fantasizing about becoming a plumber to fuck women instead of being paid, for example. It’s just a lazy plot because they need to give some reason for the scene.

Personally I think the rise in incest porn has to do with the rise in isolationism. Lots of people, young men especially, are going out less and less and having more of their social interactions online. As a consequence of this, for a number of these men, the vast majority of the real life female interactions they get are from women in their own homes. And biology has a way of adapting, so I think a lot these men are getting confusing feelings about people in their own homes due largely just to lack of outside exposure to women.

There is this thing that I feel is most prevalent in the USA, to call any attraction to a girl under the age of 18 pedophilia. Because that’s the age to star in porn. The term should truly be used for attraction to children. I think it’s an extension of the “pedo panic” where every man is assumed for some reason to be a child rapist now.

As such almost every young man could at some point be caught as a “pedophile”- 17 year olds sneak into clubs all the time, for example. 20 year old hooked up with one? Now he is considered a pedophile even if the actual age of consent is lower.

Meanwhile the porn industry glorifies “barely 18” girls as something highly desirable. It’s a little messed up to say the least.

Actual pedos who are into kids should be put in mental institutions. But I would strongly suspect that 15% stated just includes honest young men and creepy old men, none of which are truly pedophiles. That number is way too high.

It’s racism, due to his political alignment he can’t go after black people but Russians are fair game.

Does this though? Or does it reduce the demand for real CP?

I don’t know what that is.

An outlet they need is fuckin therapy, not sex robots, tf.

Idk maybe im fucking crazy for that but if I got an urge to murder specific types of people and my “outlet” is roleplaying it or using a videogame to do it. I should probably seek some fuckin help. Not keep doing it. It doesn’t matter that it’s not hurting anyone. It’s unhealthy, doesn’t actually help them, and could escalate into them doing even worse things.

Keep in mind, 1st person shooters or violent games deadass dont count. Intent matters. I can say “yea I love driving over people in GTA, its funny af” and thats fine, but if I confess that I enjoy targeting certain types of people in GTA; that I like attaching personalities or life stories to them, and then talk about how I like to find different ways to kill them slowly because x, y, and z. That I don’t do it as a joke but because I get a genuine kick out of it; That’s a cause of concern, cus I know some people that did shit like that and turned out to actually have mental issues and thoughts of harming real people.

Like I get this is an issue some people are born with, but at a point, shit like that becomes a problem. Especially because it’s porn. To me, Porn in general is just a slippery ass slope. No I don’t wanna start fuckin crucifying ever non-offending pedo I see, i ain’t that kinda person. But for the love of god, can we normalize them getting REAL help instead of these “alternatives”. I just feel like the more you involve yourself with a fantasy bot, the more you’re gonna forget that this isn’t how real people work and the more the line between fantasy and IRL can get blurred.

I mean idk man- im slow, maybe I got it all wrong I truly don’t fuckin know some times. But this is just how I feel, and its fucked up to me that shit like child abuse roleplay just goes unchecked like that or that the people that do this kinda stuff should go unchecked.

we can’t know how many also choose to escalate because of these outlets.

But we do know that in general, porn doesn’t elicit that kind of escalation into real life. If this particular category of porn did cause that, it’d literally be a total outlier.

Same with other media, too. Rape porn lovers aren’t statistically more likely to rape irl, violent video game lovers aren’t more likely to be violent irl, etc., compared to the general population.

So I think it’s pretty fair to hypothesize that, if anything, it would reduce the incidence of real-world offense. Just look at the massive negative correlation between the proliferation of porn (thanks to the Internet), and the overall incidence of rape.

Also, I’m familiar with one bit of evidence out of Japan that apparently showed that child molesters consume less porn than the average citizen, which I was definitely surprised to learn, but once you think about it in the context of the stuff I mentioned above, it actually makes perfect sense.

In all likelihood, fictional ‘simulations’ like LLMs will directly reduce the incidence of CSA, if anything. If that’s the case, I can’t oppose such things in good conscience–it’d be pretty narcissistic to put my personal disgust over even a single kid not getting bad touched.

A sex chatbot? Ask the developers. I would just scrape AO3.

Do you think there’s a public database of statutory rape chatlogs?

Definitely.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

Maybe enough forum boards were scraped where women were discussing this happening that it became a significant data point?

Ackshualllly, it’s ephebophilia because these are young women above the age of…

/s

Just kidding, it’s CP

He’s revealing he’s either a sock puppet or a bot. Notice the weird disconnected and aggressive comments in a lot of these post follow the same idea. They just try to drum up conflict. Ignore them.

Edit: They deleted the comment when called out. Totally not guilty looking at all. The comment basically complained how the feminist agenda is taking over the world, written in a rather aggressive and confrontational tone. (As if trying to provoke conflict/engagement)

Actually I’m not an incel. I buy my sex. And how much of a sheltered softy do you have to be to believe women won’t date anti-feminists. Isn’t Donald Trump on his 5th wife?

The problem with that argument is, that you can translate that to games, movies, books and basically everything. What if a person isn’t satisfied by killing people in pc games? What if they go into real life?

That argument is only valid for people who can’t differentiate between reality and fiction. And usually those people need medical help.

This is an incredibly itchy and complicated theme. So I will try not go go really further into it.

But prosecute what is essentially a work of fiction seems bad.

This it not even a topic new to the AI. CP has been wildly represented in both written and graphical media. And the consensus in most free countries is not to prosecute those as they are a work of fiction.

I cannot think why an AI written CP fiction is different from human written CP fiction.

I suppose “AI big bad” justify it for some. But for me there should be a logical explanation behind if we would began to prosecute works of fiction why some will be prosecuted and why other will not. Specially when the one that’s being prosecuted is just regurgitating the human written stories about CP that are not being prosecuted nowadays.

I essentially think that a work of fiction should never be prosecuted to begin with, no matter the topic. And I also think that an AI writing about CP is no worse than an actual human doing the same thing.

Yeah that link is a no for me boss