Carmakazi@lemmy.world
on 03 Jul 18:51
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Your wife is going to be grabbed out of your home and thrown into an unmarked SUV and you will never see her again. And you’ll let it happen because you would rather be a slave to a regime than confront the fact that you’re wrong.
BetaBlake@lemmy.world
on 03 Jul 18:53
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Obvious troll is obvious
leckiesock@lemmy.world
on 03 Jul 20:40
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My dog does a better job and keeping criminals out than you leftist nutters. If controlling people’s opinions are part of your philosophy of a better society , then I’d rather live in the USA for the rest of my life.
Funny that the people who hide their face call us the cowards. Heh…
TachyonTele@piefed.social
on 03 Jul 21:44
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I agree. ICE are complete cowards for hiding thier faces.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
on 04 Jul 07:37
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I don’t think everybody who makes a bad claim is a troll. A lot of people just are that stupid.
Have you not seen all the people whose legal latina wives have been abducted off the street, shoved into packed prisons and then shipped off to some random country?
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
on 03 Jul 17:53
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We need a federated equivalent. Anything centralized can be stopped.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world
on 03 Jul 18:14
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Federated application for a map with markers and notes?
It seems for me that this would be too narrow a purpose.
Maybe a general-purpose public notification map. With some functionality allowing to separate markers by their authors and by tags. Or it can be spammed with bogus markers. By tags - well, for it to be general-purpose. By authors - because moderation can’t be left to instance admins.
And, of course, I’m personally for separation of moderation, instance ownership, identities and hosting, but my own toy attempt showed me that the logic of checking the chain of privilege delegation is kinda PITA. That is, separating identities from instances is not that hard. And communities. What’s hard is the community owner delegating rights to other identities, and in general authorized actions. It’s a task of determining which privileges does an identity currently possess, and how does it affect its own actions on the community, and in which order should those be processed … Everything is harder than it seems. Sad.
Imagine federation with text linked to other text, that’d be crazy, right?
Wait, it’s actually more complicated than that 🤔
But FR using existing federated protocols to build something like this is EXACTLY what the protocols are for. You don’t need to implement the federation yourself, you can use an existing network
Someone knowledgeable enough would be able to figure out where every upload is going, I’d wager. But that would take Someone that is knowledgeable enough, as well as willing to expose an app like that given the potential consequences.
Federation is an overly complicated solution it’s not required. It also wouldn’t actually help, they can still take it off the app store there’d be another one but they would just play whack-a-mole and you can achieve the same thing with open source.
The best bet would be to have the database hosted outside the US and just have apps that pull the data from an API. There’s no need for the app itself to store the data in fact that’s a really stupid way to do it. You could federate it if you wanted but honestly that’s probably unnecessary
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 04 Jul 15:44
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Honestly yeah, if we can just torrent the database and have it stored outside the U.S then it’s good
If the internet is down then I don’t have access to the app store. Also if the internet’s down then the data is going to be out of date almost immediately anyway so any cached version would be useless.
She said that there’s been a 500 percent increase against ICE agents who are just “trying to do their jobs and remove public safety threats from… communities.”
Exactly what the Nazis who ran extermination camps claimed.
RobotZap10000@feddit.nl
on 03 Jul 19:55
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natecox@programming.dev
on 03 Jul 21:15
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I loathe and despise using percentages like this.
500% sounds super scary, but is meaningless without providing the baseline. If there was only one instance before and now there’s 5 it isn’t a significant increase but 500% sure sounds scary.
Worse still it’s not even clear what is being discussed. It implied “violence” but that is a wide range from just pushing to serious shooting.
% can also be misleading when a scale is arbitrary. A temperature increase measured in Fahrenheit will be a rather different % when converted to Kelvin.
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip
on 04 Jul 15:38
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ICE also keep getting caught on camera lying about being threatened before they start beating some innocent
We all know that cops will try to charge you with assaulting them if you so much as shrug while being arrested. And they’ll contrive situations just so they can do that. I’d say that makes their statistics meaningless without specific details and proof.
Mamdani_Da_Savior@lemmy.world
on 04 Jul 23:37
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Sadly I haven’t heard of any ICE officers getting shot in the line of duty.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 03 Jul 23:12
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someone on bsky did the match and found out that 700% increase is still only like 70 incidents (i forget who it was that posted it)
frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world
on 04 Jul 23:58
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Exactly. Basically "wahhhh this is making it harder for the kidnappers to kidnap people!! stop using the app they’re just trying to do their jobs pls feel sorry for them 😭 "
Clearly it’s just safety minded individuals acquiring it. This app helps keep communities safe from unmarked armored vehicles filled with masked criminal cop impersonators.
Send & Receive alerts about ICE raids and activity in your area. Stop ICE Alerts Network works with technology already built into your phone without the need to download an app.
international VPNs are not immune from US subpoena
And condoms are only 98% effective.
A condom and VPN work on the same principle: a layer of protection. No protection is ever 100% effective, but you can at least try.
Remember, they’re already building the camps. It’s only a matter of time before “helping illegals” is a crime that gets you sent to the camps. I’d rather make the fascists work for it at least.
Your analogy doesn’t make sense. It would be more apt to say “condoms from Walmart can be compromised!” but it makes no sense because they can be compromised anywhere. If you think shopping somewhere else means they won’t be compromised, that’s not logical.
It’s not to say that you shouldn’t use them, it’s to say that you shouldn’t judge them based on the geographical location they’re acquired.
three_trains_in_a_trenchcoat@piefed.social
on 03 Jul 19:18
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"He's giving a message to criminals where our federal officers are," Bondi said. "...we are looking at it, we are looking at him, and he better watch out, because that's not a protected speech. That is threatening the lives of our law enforcement officers throughout this country."'
Actually, I believe it is protected speech. There are apps that let people know where speed traps are. You mean it's not constitutionally protected to say to someone "hey, did you see the cop down on the corner?" Ridiculous. Of course, what she means to say is that the constitution doesn't matter and laws are made up now, and they're just going to do whatever the fuck they want. They're just not quuuuuite ready to go through the trouble of literally setting the constitution on fire yet.
It is definitely not constitutional protected free speech.
Because constitution has nothing to say in this matter.
On the other hand there is no law restricting such speech either.
Making a law against it, that is valid under the constitution, would be tricky however.
Making a law against it, that is valid under the constitution…
The part that says…
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assem- ble, and to petition the Government for a re- dress of grievances.
Make a law against the part that says not to make a law against it?
I mean, it’s idiotic and on message for Trump.
ScrambledEggs@lazysoci.al
on 03 Jul 20:57
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It’s not on the same level. Android at least provides the option of using an alternative notification system, and also supports downloading apps from anywhere. Including places that don’t require an account.
The link in the comment you’re replying to says which part is not true, but since you seem more willing to comment than to click a link and read, I’ll summarize:
The part about the Apple Push Notification service requiring less information that can identify an individual user than Google’s Firebase Cloud Messaging is not true. Both use a similar token system. Furthermore, it is possible to build android apps with notifications that do not use FCM.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 03 Jul 23:10
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they probably want to also make it as easy as possible for those who aren't technologically savvy or whose native language isn't english, though
Maybe they want that, but the statement on their website is not wrong on a technicality because it’s oversimplified; it’s wrong because it asserts a privacy difference between the two operating systems that does not exist.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world
on 04 Jul 07:20
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It’s actually not possible to build a push service like FCM or APNS on Android and have it function at the same level as FCM. FCM has special permissions to bypass certain device states on the device to ensure message delivery that nothing else can match.
The best you can do is approximate it with an always active websocket and a foreground service always running with battery optimizations disabled, but good luck not having that foreground service shut down on occasion as well. Devices are hostile to them for battery saving purposes. You’d have the best luck with a Pixel device though for something like that. You could also do some sort of scheduled background polling, but the device can be hostile to that as well, and it would eat more battery.
Yes, I used web sockets for Signal for a while. It drained 30% of my battery when the phone sat idle for a day. Absolutely bonkers. Made the phone almost unusable so had to revert to FCM or disable notifications.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world
on 04 Jul 19:17
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Ya, it can be brutal on battery.
I worked on an app once where delivery was critical, so we gave them the option of the active service+websocket, but for them the trade off was acceptable.
Pushes can be pretty flakey given all the shenanigans OEMs do on the device, even when marked as high priority correctly.
And the even worse part is when OEMs reset battery saving flags the user had set to help pushes get through and they stop working one day because of it.
It’s true that FCM will result in more reliability and a better UX than other ways to implement notifications. Doing something else is still the right choice for certain use cases, such as those where privacy or keeping the entire codebase open source are top priorities.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world
on 04 Jul 23:29
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Ya, for sure. My beef was just with people saying you can roll your own, but glossing over the reduced user experience and reliability if you do.
With those trade offs it’s absolutely doable and makes sense for certain situations.
Well, who knows what is true and what not.
I never knew that Push Notifications go via Apple, and not via the network operator.
Definitely wrong is GraphenOS’s claim that Android does not allow access to the device id.
Of course it does. For what reason would the ID exist if it does not?
No idea if you need it for a FB message/notification though.
douglasg14b@lemmy.world
on 04 Jul 00:49
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Lol, called it.
Incompetence and false bravado is all but guaranteed with development teams. Especially when it’s closed source, not audited, and has minimal room for feedback loops.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world
on 04 Jul 07:12
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You don’t even need to audit a closed source app to know that Apple knows which devices its sending pushes to. It works because they know.
And how would they know that?
That would mean push notifications would go via an Apple Server. Wich
a) makes no sense
b) can be masquerade so that the server does not know who talks to whom
c) the meta information and the notification can be deleted timely
On the other hand, I guess most Android “low level” peer to peer apps go via FireBase?
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world
on 05 Jul 00:41
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All push notifications go through APNS on apple. That’s Apple Push Notifications Service.
APNS requires the device to authenticate with it and can uniquely identify the device by an id. Its how it sends messages to devices.
Firebase cloud messaging acts the same way for true push notifications.
You don’t need to audit a device using APNS or FCM on Android to know that it is not anonymous.
Think about that for a second. Immigration and Customs Enforcement by definition involves at least one border and 2 countries. Even if they only went after American citizens (which they’re trying to do), they’d be deporting you somewhere else.
As it is, I suspect a significant number of at-risk people in the US and their advocates use Android.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world
on 04 Jul 07:10
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I think he thinks HE had to store the information, and if he isn’t the one storing it, it’s anonymous.
Except, on Android, you can also do it where only google stores the information and he doesn’t have to store any. And there are no user name or passwords or accounts involved to listen to specific channels like he claims.
You can collect this information, and you’d be able to write a more custom push service, but it isn’t needed at all, but Google and Apple will always know who is getting the messages.
DahGangalang@infosec.pub
on 04 Jul 15:23
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Thanks for the heads up.
Saw it wasn’t on F-Droid and was going to ask for source page (to get through Obtanium), but looks like they’re allergic to android and derivates. Appreciate you pointing to references.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world
on 04 Jul 15:48
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…iOS forces uses Apple services including getting apps through Apple…
Can’t speak to the rest of the claims, but Android practically does too. If one has to sideload an app, you’ve lost 99% of users, if not more.
It makes me suspect they’re not talking about the stock systems OEMs ship.
It makes me suspect they’re not talking about the stock systems OEMs ship.
The developers of GrapheneOS, an independent, security-oriented Android distribution are probably not only talking about stock OEM Android. What they’re saying is true about stock OEM android though.
That’s a separate issue from whether users are forced to get all their software from a specific source, which is also separate from whether users will actually use other sources when given the option.
On Android, developers can offer users a way to install an app that isn’t easily traced to their identity and on iOS they can’t. Furthermore, an Android app can be both on the Play store and available from other sources; there’s no exclusivity.
You got that “tracked to their identity” opposite around.
The reason why there is no Android App is, if the phone gets “found” the data about the user/owner is an open book.
This is not one of the claims made by the ICEBlock developers; their claims are only to do with notifications.
If you want to claim that a locked Android device is substantially easier for law enforcement to break in to than a locked iPhone, please cite up-to-date (from 2025) sources.
vollkorntomate@infosec.pub
on 04 Jul 04:44
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Is it only available in the US App Store? I can imagine that some people who could make good use of it don’t have a US Apple ID.
Who owns the app that gets the location data of every illegal immigrant? Maye they do know the Streisand effect.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works
on 05 Jul 08:01
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There are easier ways to get that data without having to trick people into downloading an app. Trump has palantir and Israel in his pocket. He already knows where they all are. The app just lets us all know where they are.
Trump doesn’t like playing a fair game because he can’t win those.
While you’re right to be skeptical, if they just wanted to collect data they would have an Android version. And their stated reason for not supporting it, is that push notifications on Android would require them to at store device-IDs, which they want to avoid for privacy reasons and being vulnerable to subpoenas.
Yeah, but I think it’s also because Republicans are downloading it and using it to spread fake ice raid claims, to confuse. So, I don’t think the numbers are necessarily because people hate ice or whatever.
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Expected this after recent news articles criticizing it for hurting ICE officers.
Good. I hope they’re terrified. The same as their victims
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Your wife is going to be grabbed out of your home and thrown into an unmarked SUV and you will never see her again. And you’ll let it happen because you would rather be a slave to a regime than confront the fact that you’re wrong.
Obvious troll is obvious
My dog does a better job and keeping criminals out than you leftist nutters. If controlling people’s opinions are part of your philosophy of a better society , then I’d rather live in the USA for the rest of my life.
Funny that the people who hide their face call us the cowards. Heh…
I agree. ICE are complete cowards for hiding thier faces.
I don’t think everybody who makes a bad claim is a troll. A lot of people just are that stupid.
Have you not seen all the people whose legal latina wives have been abducted off the street, shoved into packed prisons and then shipped off to some random country?
We need a federated equivalent. Anything centralized can be stopped.
Federated application for a map with markers and notes?
It seems for me that this would be too narrow a purpose.
Maybe a general-purpose public notification map. With some functionality allowing to separate markers by their authors and by tags. Or it can be spammed with bogus markers. By tags - well, for it to be general-purpose. By authors - because moderation can’t be left to instance admins.
And, of course, I’m personally for separation of moderation, instance ownership, identities and hosting, but my own toy attempt showed me that the logic of checking the chain of privilege delegation is kinda PITA. That is, separating identities from instances is not that hard. And communities. What’s hard is the community owner delegating rights to other identities, and in general authorized actions. It’s a task of determining which privileges does an identity currently possess, and how does it affect its own actions on the community, and in which order should those be processed … Everything is harder than it seems. Sad.
So federation is fine LOL.
Why too narrow of a use case?
Imagine federation with text linked to other text, that’d be crazy, right?
Wait, it’s actually more complicated than that 🤔
But FR using existing federated protocols to build something like this is EXACTLY what the protocols are for. You don’t need to implement the federation yourself, you can use an existing network
At the very least I hope it’s hosted by someone outside the US so it’s out of reach to the authorities.
For all we know the app might just be a honeypot itself
This is a genuine concern that we should recognize.
I’m about 99% confident it isn’t, but considering it is the kind of caution we should all be exercising these days.
How would we learn either way if it was or wasn't?
When the feds come for you for using it
Someone knowledgeable enough would be able to figure out where every upload is going, I’d wager. But that would take Someone that is knowledgeable enough, as well as willing to expose an app like that given the potential consequences.
It’s probably not a honeypot. But it’s also likely to be negligent enough in implementation that it might as well be.
Federation is an overly complicated solution it’s not required. It also wouldn’t actually help, they can still take it off the app store there’d be another one but they would just play whack-a-mole and you can achieve the same thing with open source.
The best bet would be to have the database hosted outside the US and just have apps that pull the data from an API. There’s no need for the app itself to store the data in fact that’s a really stupid way to do it. You could federate it if you wanted but honestly that’s probably unnecessary
Honestly yeah, if we can just torrent the database and have it stored outside the U.S then it’s good
Facepalm. If the App does not store the data in a 5 mile radius … how do you at least see the latest status when the power and internet is down?
I can’t tell if you’re serious or not.
If the internet is down then I don’t have access to the app store. Also if the internet’s down then the data is going to be out of date almost immediately anyway so any cached version would be useless.
Exactly what the Nazis who ran extermination camps claimed.
“Just following orders…”
Unjust, following orders
I loathe and despise using percentages like this.
500% sounds super scary, but is meaningless without providing the baseline. If there was only one instance before and now there’s 5 it isn’t a significant increase but 500% sure sounds scary.
Worse still it’s not even clear what is being discussed. It implied “violence” but that is a wide range from just pushing to serious shooting.
% can also be misleading when a scale is arbitrary. A temperature increase measured in Fahrenheit will be a rather different % when converted to Kelvin.
ICE also keep getting caught on camera lying about being threatened before they start beating some innocent
We all know that cops will try to charge you with assaulting them if you so much as shrug while being arrested. And they’ll contrive situations just so they can do that. I’d say that makes their statistics meaningless without specific details and proof.
Sadly I haven’t heard of any ICE officers getting shot in the line of duty.
someone on bsky did the match and found out that 700% increase is still only like 70 incidents (i forget who it was that posted it)
It’s so blatant as if theyre using an instruction manual or something 🤔
Stephen Miller is basically a Nazi
He’s a fucking JEWISH Nazi - which is the worst kind of self loathing Nazi.
He’d be the first in the showers when the real Nazis come to town.
He’s a pathetic loser.
Stephen Miller is exactly a Nazi
Exactly. Basically "wahhhh this is making it harder for the kidnappers to kidnap people!! stop using the app they’re just trying to do their jobs pls feel sorry for them 😭 "
Well, when you kidnap people in the street assaults against you can happen.
Clearly it’s just safety minded individuals acquiring it. This app helps keep communities safe from unmarked armored vehicles filled with masked criminal cop impersonators.
stopice.net
This is the way.
You’ve still got to connect to their servers and they can monitor who connects to what.
I wouldn’t trust it without a non-US based VPN. We should assume anything in the US is compromised by the fed, and that they are watching.
They can also not do that.
International VPNs are not immune from US subpoena.
And condoms are only 98% effective.
A condom and VPN work on the same principle: a layer of protection. No protection is ever 100% effective, but you can at least try.
Remember, they’re already building the camps. It’s only a matter of time before “helping illegals” is a crime that gets you sent to the camps. I’d rather make the fascists work for it at least.
Your analogy doesn’t make sense. It would be more apt to say “condoms from Walmart can be compromised!” but it makes no sense because they can be compromised anywhere. If you think shopping somewhere else means they won’t be compromised, that’s not logical.
It’s not to say that you shouldn’t use them, it’s to say that you shouldn’t judge them based on the geographical location they’re acquired.
Stop lice!
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Actually, I believe it is protected speech. There are apps that let people know where speed traps are. You mean it's not constitutionally protected to say to someone "hey, did you see the cop down on the corner?" Ridiculous. Of course, what she means to say is that the constitution doesn't matter and laws are made up now, and they're just going to do whatever the fuck they want. They're just not quuuuuite ready to go through the trouble of literally setting the constitution on fire yet.
It is definitely not constitutional protected free speech. Because constitution has nothing to say in this matter. On the other hand there is no law restricting such speech either. Making a law against it, that is valid under the constitution, would be tricky however.
The part that says…
Make a law against the part that says not to make a law against it?
I mean, it’s idiotic and on message for Trump.
Is there an android version?
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This is not true. bsky.app/profile/grapheneos.org/…/3lt2prfb2vk2r
Which part? Are you saying they have made an android version?
No, they are saying that Android and Apple both have a privacy issue on the same level.
It’s not on the same level. Android at least provides the option of using an alternative notification system, and also supports downloading apps from anywhere. Including places that don’t require an account.
The link in the comment you’re replying to says which part is not true, but since you seem more willing to comment than to click a link and read, I’ll summarize:
The part about the Apple Push Notification service requiring less information that can identify an individual user than Google’s Firebase Cloud Messaging is not true. Both use a similar token system. Furthermore, it is possible to build android apps with notifications that do not use FCM.
they probably want to also make it as easy as possible for those who aren't technologically savvy or whose native language isn't english, though
Maybe they want that, but the statement on their website is not wrong on a technicality because it’s oversimplified; it’s wrong because it asserts a privacy difference between the two operating systems that does not exist.
It’s actually not possible to build a push service like FCM or APNS on Android and have it function at the same level as FCM. FCM has special permissions to bypass certain device states on the device to ensure message delivery that nothing else can match.
The best you can do is approximate it with an always active websocket and a foreground service always running with battery optimizations disabled, but good luck not having that foreground service shut down on occasion as well. Devices are hostile to them for battery saving purposes. You’d have the best luck with a Pixel device though for something like that. You could also do some sort of scheduled background polling, but the device can be hostile to that as well, and it would eat more battery.
Yes, I used web sockets for Signal for a while. It drained 30% of my battery when the phone sat idle for a day. Absolutely bonkers. Made the phone almost unusable so had to revert to FCM or disable notifications.
Ya, it can be brutal on battery.
I worked on an app once where delivery was critical, so we gave them the option of the active service+websocket, but for them the trade off was acceptable.
Pushes can be pretty flakey given all the shenanigans OEMs do on the device, even when marked as high priority correctly.
And the even worse part is when OEMs reset battery saving flags the user had set to help pushes get through and they stop working one day because of it.
It’s true that FCM will result in more reliability and a better UX than other ways to implement notifications. Doing something else is still the right choice for certain use cases, such as those where privacy or keeping the entire codebase open source are top priorities.
Ya, for sure. My beef was just with people saying you can roll your own, but glossing over the reduced user experience and reliability if you do.
With those trade offs it’s absolutely doable and makes sense for certain situations.
Then don’t claim the reasoning is anonymity.
Well, who knows what is true and what not. I never knew that Push Notifications go via Apple, and not via the network operator. Definitely wrong is GraphenOS’s claim that Android does not allow access to the device id. Of course it does. For what reason would the ID exist if it does not? No idea if you need it for a FB message/notification though.
Lots of people do.
That’s not what it says.
There has to be a way for Google/Apple to know which device to send the notif to.
Incompetence is not a “privacy implication”. You think Apple servers are beyond reach of US warrants?
Fire works on Android and is meant to do basically the same thing. I saw someone post it in another thread, but haven’t explored it in depth.
The devs don’t really seem to have a clue about smartphone.
bsky.app/profile/grapheneos.org/…/3lt2prfb2vk2r
Lol, called it.
Incompetence and false bravado is all but guaranteed with development teams. Especially when it’s closed source, not audited, and has minimal room for feedback loops.
You don’t even need to audit a closed source app to know that Apple knows which devices its sending pushes to. It works because they know.
And how would they know that? That would mean push notifications would go via an Apple Server. Wich a) makes no sense b) can be masquerade so that the server does not know who talks to whom c) the meta information and the notification can be deleted timely
On the other hand, I guess most Android “low level” peer to peer apps go via FireBase?
All push notifications go through APNS on apple. That’s Apple Push Notifications Service.
APNS requires the device to authenticate with it and can uniquely identify the device by an id. Its how it sends messages to devices.
Firebase cloud messaging acts the same way for true push notifications.
You don’t need to audit a device using APNS or FCM on Android to know that it is not anonymous.
Glad others have pointed this out. Their “reasons” for not supporting 70% of worldwide smartphones via Android seemed very suspect.
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Because visitors to the US don’t tend to be from the US, that’s only logical
Think about that for a second. Immigration and Customs Enforcement by definition involves at least one border and 2 countries. Even if they only went after American citizens (which they’re trying to do), they’d be deporting you somewhere else.
As it is, I suspect a significant number of at-risk people in the US and their advocates use Android.
I think he thinks HE had to store the information, and if he isn’t the one storing it, it’s anonymous.
Except, on Android, you can also do it where only google stores the information and he doesn’t have to store any. And there are no user name or passwords or accounts involved to listen to specific channels like he claims.
You can collect this information, and you’d be able to write a more custom push service, but it isn’t needed at all, but Google and Apple will always know who is getting the messages.
Thanks for the heads up.
Saw it wasn’t on F-Droid and was going to ask for source page (to get through Obtanium), but looks like they’re allergic to android and derivates. Appreciate you pointing to references.
Can’t speak to the rest of the claims, but Android practically does too. If one has to sideload an app, you’ve lost 99% of users, if not more.
It makes me suspect they’re not talking about the stock systems OEMs ship.
Relevant XKCD: xkcd.com/2501/
The developers of GrapheneOS, an independent, security-oriented Android distribution are probably not only talking about stock OEM Android. What they’re saying is true about stock OEM android though.
That’s a separate issue from whether users are forced to get all their software from a specific source, which is also separate from whether users will actually use other sources when given the option.
On Android, developers can offer users a way to install an app that isn’t easily traced to their identity and on iOS they can’t. Furthermore, an Android app can be both on the Play store and available from other sources; there’s no exclusivity.
You got that “tracked to their identity” opposite around. The reason why there is no Android App is, if the phone gets “found” the data about the user/owner is an open book.
This is not one of the claims made by the ICEBlock developers; their claims are only to do with notifications.
If you want to claim that a locked Android device is substantially easier for law enforcement to break in to than a locked iPhone, please cite up-to-date (from 2025) sources.
Is it only available in the US App Store? I can imagine that some people who could make good use of it don’t have a US Apple ID.
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Only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.
Did anyone else notice that you couldn’t use this on an Android device because it it may put the people who use it at risk?For shame AndroidDeveloper may not actually understand how phones work
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These dumb fuckers STILL haven’t figured out the Streisand effect.
Who owns the app that gets the location data of every illegal immigrant? Maye they do know the Streisand effect.
There are easier ways to get that data without having to trick people into downloading an app. Trump has palantir and Israel in his pocket. He already knows where they all are. The app just lets us all know where they are.
Trump doesn’t like playing a fair game because he can’t win those.
While you’re right to be skeptical, if they just wanted to collect data they would have an Android version. And their stated reason for not supporting it, is that push notifications on Android would require them to at store device-IDs, which they want to avoid for privacy reasons and being vulnerable to subpoenas.
Yeah, but I think it’s also because Republicans are downloading it and using it to spread fake ice raid claims, to confuse. So, I don’t think the numbers are necessarily because people hate ice or whatever.
Guess we’ll see.