Uncle Sam abruptly turns off funding for CVE program. Yes, that CVE program
(go.theregister.com)
from Tea@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world on 16 Apr 00:58
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from Tea@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world on 16 Apr 00:58
https://programming.dev/post/28686174
Because vulnerability management has nothing to do with national security, right?
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Ruzza just creamed their pants
Part of the plan
Part of the deal
Art of the deal!
Fart of a deal!
North Korea too. Big win for them
…Continuously! (since Trump got in office)
One can only conclude that either this is the latest step in a deliberate effort to sabotage the functioning of the US (and by extension much of the west), or just another monumentally stupid idea brought to life by their limitless incompetence.
They’re Russian puppets, both things are true.
I suspect that the administration that asked their people to stop focusing on Russia in the cyber space is deliberately trying to weaken our security posture in relation to said country. This confirms it. Edit: The starlink (fuck musk) leak directly to the Russians now double confirms this
Starlink leak?!
narativ.org/…/whistle-blower-russian-breach-of
mitre also has some prime real estate adjacent to mclean metro at tysons east. probably enough for a golf course/country club if you razed everything and took the adjacent park lands.
My money is on the second one, but who knows…
I’m half-sure Trump put price tags on everything in the WH and every time you see a stupid thing in US foreign policy (local is guided by P25), you may hear Donald’s OF donation bell ring.
You got that right.
us capitalism has nowhere else to expand. its eating itself now.
I’ve been having this feeling for a while now, and not just with the US
yup, europe seems to be on that path too. i don’t think they passed the point of no return, though.
I have maintained for a long time that it’s pure incompetence. If they had some sort of goal they would all be in on it together but it doesn’t seem like at any time anyone in 47s cabinet actually knows what he’s doing.
Well, this way the apartheidist will never see the bugs he's introduced into any of the systems he's broken.
The Age of Fire is ending in America. The President is a Hollow working for Darkstalker Kaathe.
We shouldn’t all have to deal with this alone
Can’t wait until I don’t have to upgrade software anymore!
Oh crap
On the bright side, at least our upcoming American cyberpunk dystopia is now more likely to feature a greater prevelance of lone wolf, broke, two bit hackers as a semi-viable lifestyle/‘career path’…
It shouldn’t surpris too much given Mike Pondsmith’s general record of clairvoyance that NetWatch is a European Corp.
And, no, “Vos videmus” totally isn’t a creepy motto. Based out of London, one could almost think that it’s the London CCTV system turned sentient AI.
All that has to happen for a ‘Blackwall’ analagous scenario is enough undersea cables get cut/sabotaged.
Then you’re looking at a much more localized internet, where actually having a reliable or high bandwidth connection to a very far away place requires you to either have an insane jerry rigged solution, or a lot of money to pay for an increasing valuable, still existing intercontinental line.
Of course, we very much could also end up with a more intentionally constructed type of widespread firewalling as well… they already exist.
China’s great firewall, tons of other countries that have internet and/or social media killswitches…
… And we are already seeing massive bandwidth from corpo AI scrapers trying to harvest data to train their AIs leading to people making new ways to detect, block, and or trap them in infinite loops, to save their own servers from going down.
You say cyberpunk dystopia… I say 1776.
… As soon as you find documents from the founding fathers addressing best practices and policies regarding cybersecurity, let me know.
Adds cybersecurity to resume** Finally gets hired…
Good luck, I’ve been trying for 2 months and I was a senior engineer.
Sorry to hear that, i wish you positive luck in the near future!
My sense is orgs are correcting now from the over-hiring they did a few years ago. Our InfoSec department blew up over the last 5 years as did many corporations but the problem is in the boom you had, for lack of a better way to put it, a lot of morons snuck in under the auspices of “I took a course I’m a security engineer!”
Now corporations are moving on to risk mitigation which is a completely different skillset.
Be funny if someone started a gofundme.
Why would anybody donate and put trust into a very important service that’s ran in an unreliable country?
The rest of the world will probably just take over and leave the US in the dark about useful CVEs that could be used in their cyber ops.
Yes, this will end well. I wonder how the org will evolve from this or will another country pick it up… Will be interesting to see.
Imagine being one of the tech billionaires who Trump bankrolled and he does this- basically handing out wrenches for people to throw.
get well soon, uncle sam
Best to take it and its 2 brothers out of their missery
This has a CVE score of 10. The next Security Now podcast episode is going to be lit.
I listen to SN while at work. I may take next Tuesday night off and grab a big bag of popcorn.
Yeah, I wish I could see Steve’s reaction as he learned it
Probably going to be the first episode where they will need to beep out a swear word
I imagine it will cause at least a one day delay in SpinRite.
Literally the rest of world against these fuckers soon.
The EU needs to start planning now (well, really, needed to start planning in 2016) to replace every critical system that relies in any way on the US government.
If you think of money invested vs. return on government programs like this, the benefit is incredible. That it’s being discontinued is obvious proof that the US is run by the agents of its own destruction and cannot be relied upon in any way: not as a supplier of military equipment, or information technology, or economic codependency.
They’re doing so much of this shit quietly, but when you start to put each piece together it should be frightening to anyone that doesn’t believe Russia is our BFF.
In late Feb, just after the whole Zelenskyy White House visit, Hegseth issued an order to Cyber Command to halt all planning against Russia including cybersecurity offensive strategies.
He gave the order to Commander Timothy Haugh, who is also head of the National Security Agency. Haugh told the outgoing director of operations, and cyber command begun putting together an official document of why this is a very bad idea.
I missed this completely until yesterday, but it turns out that Haugh and his NSA deputy were both suddenly ousted from their positions less than 2 weeks ago.
No reason was given they were just told “your services are no longer required.” Apparently Laura Loomer requested Trump have them removed and made some vague accusations against them bc they had been installed under Biden.
I admit I hadn’t heard of CVE program before today. Since we are BFFs now and Russia is “totally not a threat” to the U.S., I guess it’s supposed to be ok because friends share everything. But wouldn’t this also make us incredibly more vulnerable to China and any other country?
Yes, which is why Putin told Trump to do it.
I’m just wondering how Trump squares an explanation for this with the fact that we’re in a technology war with China. Why would we make ourselves more vulnerable to them?
I guess to clarify, it seems easier for Trump to make the argument to his base that everything he does to make us more vulnerable to Russia shouldn’t really be a big deal bc he has so much respect and trust for Putin.
Most people (myself included) don’t really know about this program, but if cutting funding makes us more vulnerable to China and other bad actors, it seems like a point more Americans should be made aware of.
I think it’s because he’s a bigoted moron as well and believes that anything the government spends money on that doesn’t either directly enrich the oligarchs or suppress non-white cis males is bad.
For most people the consequences of this action will be too far away to understand the connection, so it’s a pretty good target for the US Republican party.
Just in case
Edit: I’m glad I wasn’t the only one that didn’t know. When the headline reads like everyone should know I felt a little dumb for a second.
Thank you. I’ve never heard this acronym before, myself.
thank you i was spaghetti walling and none of my backronyms were fitting
Fascinating series of words I’ve never heard before
Spaghetti walling - I think this is another way of saying “throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks”, my guess from the old wives tale that you can test the doneness of spaghetti by seeing if it sticks when thrown at a wall.
Backronym - an acronym that was made by first deciding what the finished acronym should be, then working backwards to decide what it should stand for. Usually used by NASA nerds to make cool sounding projects or by politicians to make evil shit sound friendly and benign.
Very cool
Very legal.
Hey, my wife isn’t that old!
One of my favorite authors is PG Wodehouse and if I ever inadvertently phrase something like him I consider it a good day. He has 9 gazillion novels, 2 plots, and all of them are worth reading because of the way he can turn a phrase.
Cannelloni-Vermicelli Exploration program? You know, to find out what happens if you mix both on the same plate? Will the Italians assassinate you before you can take the first bite? Will the pasta annihilate as soon as they touch? Will it be delicious? Who knows, and now we will never know.
Yep, one of those things the IT department takes care of and most other people just need to know to keep their devices updated.
MAGA supporter: yup! Waste and fraud to me.
idiots!
2017: covfefe
2025: cvefefe
Right before Windows 10 loses security updates too, what a coincidence. Wonder what the Russians are working on…
It’s not Uncle Sam, or the USA shutting this down. It’s the Republican Administration. They’ve been empowered by the Republican led Congress to shut down anything it doesn’t like, understand, or benefit from.
We need a alterntive that doesn’t rely on the U.S.A it can be from any country
REPUBLICANS. Not some nebulous “uncle sam”. Republicans are turning off funding. They deserve 100% of the blame because they are 100% the cause.
Democrats could have blocked this.
This fact is worth aknowledging as we see more and more of these horrible laws pass.
How could Democrats have blocked this? Art thou speaking out thine ass?
Congress controls congressional spending.
The Democrats should say this is tyrannical and tell the truth to the people that we are at war and we need to remove the Russian assets from power.
I know you will keep making excuses for them to keep their power while doing nothing to help tho.
They’re fighting harder for non-citizens than citizens at this point it seems. Not entirely sure why.
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This is not a law.
Changing agreed upon congressional spending requires a law.
By not forcing an arrest or even fighting the executive order congress is legitimizing and approving the order.
This is/was letting a contract expire. It’s not something that was brought up to the level of congress. Up until the last few years of supreme court decisions agencies were founded with broad powers in their domains, including discontinuing sub-programs.
That’s how it’ supposed to work. None of this has been brought to a vote, which would give Democrats the opportunity to oppose it. For “some reason” congressional Republicans are continuing their prior strategy while being a majority and having the leadership of just, not doing things.
They certainly are complicit and not putting up nearly enough resistance. Republicans are still the cause, and democrats are refusing to do anything effectual to stop it. I’d love to eject them all, but my point is that this isn’t “uncle sam”, it’s republicans. And it wouldn’t have happened if the Republicans hadn’t started it.
Everyone with eyes can see the Republicans are completely corrupt and primarily responsible.
Standing by and watching fascism happen while you occupy the influential positions of power that can do something about it is just as bad, because that is only helping the Republicans by blocking resistance.
Democrats need to stand the fuck up or quit so someone with fucking balls can take their job
Maybe the time is right for a 3rd party to rise?
Yeah, I 100% agree.
Repugnicunts own the white house & house because Democraps in power didn’t do their jobs the last four years. Russian influence in elections? Obvious, yet not abated by NSA. Misinformation by Fox & Facebook, X? Also obvious. Also not abated (let’s go after TikTok!).
Blatant treason? No problem, we’ll let him take presidency after we DON’T CHECK THE VOTING IRREGULARITIES in VOTES COLLECTED BY THE LARGEST CONTRIBUTER TO TRUMP’S CAMPAIGN.
DNC is a shit-heap.
AOC & Sanders are lovely exceptions.
So far Crockett seems like a good 3rd addition to that list of Ocasio-Cortez and Sanders.
I was, like, w-what CVE program. I don’t know of any “CVE” programs that could be shut down, so I don’t know what that abbreviation refers to.
Unless…
…oh no. Fuck. The actual CVE program? And they’re just gonna- Shit.
What.
How.
I don’t know how many times I’ve said “America is fucked” when reading the news lately, and I should stop doing that, because that fact has now been so well established that there’s no need to elaborate.
So either the EU steps up and funds them until the administration tariffs the EU until they stop.
Or we rely on the big tech companies to step up and fund them and risk pissing off the administration.
Honestly the only way I see them coming back is either up root their lives and move to the EU with a funding guarantee, or the EU just sets up their own program.
We as a society need to start defining our damn acronyms. Stop assuming everyone knows what every acronym is, because they do not.
ISWYMBIHTD
“I see what you mean but I have to disagree”?
TYVM
NP, TTYL
IWHBYD
“I would have, but you died”? :D
I would have been your daddy…
It’s an old Halo CE reference that gets shortened to that acronym a lot.
Yeah, like several other people on the internet I’m not American, so I have no idea what this is about.
I’m not American, but CVE’s absolutely form the cornerstone of IT security, and are the trusted keystone of industry security globally.
Ikr?
fr fr
GCVE is more confusing if anything
okay, but pretty much anyone in software knows what CVE means, and anyone outside of software doesn’t need to know what CVE means… it’s almost as common in the professional context as CPU
Yup. If you touch anything related to security, you know what a CVE is.
CPU = Chief Party Unicorn
Lucky for you the linked article explains the acronym!
Wait, you’re not one of those people who only reads headlines, are you?
Oh, there goes the majority of the cybersec vulnerability disclosure space
This is the platform most of the world uses to keep track of publicly known vulnerabilities
What the fuck is “CVE”? Cumsluts Versus Everyone?
More-or-less:
Basically cyber security exploit reporting.
I like my acronym better… more sugar tonight in my tea!
Have you seen the state of the IT industry? Furries and trans girls all of them. Your acronym is entirely appropriate.
False alarm
What a stable government
stable geniuses
I don’t think it’s a false alarm, in the sense that it is totally reasonable to be alarmed. They are cutting crucial stuff before they know what it is. There are a lot of things being cut where we’re only going to understand the impact years from now.
Sure, but there’s a limited bandwidth for people’s intake of information. This in particular is no longer a cause for alarm.
Not sure how much more whiplash I can take…
someone told them what the acronym really meant, musta thought it was an EV credit or something
They want us to all tune out. This is all by design so we don’t know what’s real or not anymore, then they can get away with even more and nobody will care.
This is what they’ve been doing for years and years, this is just more of the same.
I’m not sure about “they” the US government, but it’s absolutely a Russian/ Authoritarian state playbook.
Oh absolutely 100% this has had foreign involvement, the KGB handbook (literally) describes how to plant chaotic agents into a democratic nation’s population to boost both sides of every social debate or argument. The digital age made this the easiest tactic in the world and every nation that’s been “annexed” by Russia experienced this sowing of absolute weaponized bullshit and hate.
edit: several tankies follow me around downvoting my every comment and throwing tankie memes at me because they seeth when someone says that Russia did a bad thing. It’s quite charming, they can’t do much else because they’re blocked.
1000%
I think a lot of it is too get and propogate misinformation because some people won’t hear about the 180s and still talk about as if they happened
Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures
They dont want national security.
They want to steal your property and destroy the country so they can reform it in their image.
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Rather they want new vulnerabilities to go right to the market and remain unknown for longer, because that makes the surveillance and other criminal activity by the government easier.
Yet another great decision by our benevolent leadership
It’s because the entire administration is a vulnerability
Terrifying. Unfortunately it’s difficult to explain to laypeople why the CVE system is so important. Our nation’s leaders certainly won’t get it. Hopefully the experts are able to get through to them when it’s time to renew again. And maybe we can reduce our government dependence a bit by then.
Are you guys free yet?
😳 Is the program entirely funded by the US government?
What can EU and other governments/businesses do about this? Or what are they doing?
My European friends here: do whatever you can to make EUVD a viable alternative. It’s a vulnerability database led by the European Union Agency for Cybersecurity enisa. Since their website is relatively new, you can help by providing feedback though this survey. Yes, the CVE funding has been continued for another year. But a sustainable approach to vulnerability management cannot be dependent on a single government-owned / funded entity any longer! I wish the board members all the best in transferring CVE to a new umbrella organization, but now is a great time to also consider global alternatives.
Oh my God, and then I think of all the hundreds of thousands of veterans who voted for Trump. You did a great job.