AI-powered weapons scanners used in NYC subway found zero guns in one month test (apnews.com)
from AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today to technology@lemmy.world on 24 Oct 20:55
https://lemmy.today/post/18119664

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Death_Equity@lemmy.world on 24 Oct 20:58 next collapse

So it isn’t working and is just more tax dollars wasted on the security theater? Cool.

Telorand@reddthat.com on 24 Oct 21:23 next collapse

No, no. We just need to keep using it! It just needs a bigger sample. Surely, we’ll find a weapon, eventually!

/s

TachyonTele@lemm.ee on 24 Oct 21:28 collapse

It’s the TSA for the subway!

verity_kindle@sh.itjust.works on 24 Oct 21:55 collapse

I dunno, does the scanner grope you and steal stuff from your baggage?

Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works on 24 Oct 22:12 collapse

If your dildo looks remotely like a gun, it might come after you.

Death_Equity@lemmy.world on 24 Oct 22:19 next collapse

Well now I feel a fool because I bought a gun-shaped dildo so it would draw less attention. I thought this was America!

Vandals_handle@lemmy.world on 25 Oct 12:33 collapse

Happiness is a warm gun?

Death_Equity@lemmy.world on 25 Oct 15:06 collapse

Temperature is an important aspect of mouth feel.

meco03211@lemmy.world on 24 Oct 22:29 collapse

Well I don’t want it to come before me!

metaStatic@kbin.earth on 24 Oct 21:35 next collapse

but falsely alerted more than 100 times

oh, it's working

Arbiter@lemmy.world on 24 Oct 21:39 next collapse

Gotta get that probable cause to search for weed.

fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee on 24 Oct 21:58 collapse

Recreational weed has been legal in NY for years

nokturne213@sopuli.xyz on 24 Oct 22:06 next collapse

Not if there is a federal agent. It is legal here in NM but the feds are constantly seizing pot because it is not legal at a federal level.

Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world on 24 Oct 23:41 next collapse

It’s gonna be fun when it’s legal in all 50 states at the state level, but still illegal federally.

Wait, did I say fun? I meant bullshit. It’s going to be bullshit.

helenslunch@feddit.nl on 25 Oct 01:54 collapse

Trump DGAF and Kamala made a career outta jailing weed smokers so it’s not likely to change anytime soon.

nokturne213@sopuli.xyz on 25 Oct 03:00 collapse

news.yahoo.com/…/kamala-harris-said-she-long-2009…

“I just think we have come to a point where we have to understand that we need to legalize it and stop criminalizing this behavior,” she said. “Actually, this is not a new position for me. I have felt for a long time we need to legalize it, so that’s where I am on that.”

As San Francisco district attorney from 2004 to 2011, Harris oversaw over 1,900 convictions for cannabis violations, the San Jose Mercury News reported in 2019. Still, only a small number of those people ended up in prison.

cbsnews.com/…/analysis-tulsi-gabbard-kamala-harri…

Harris “put over fifteen hundred people in jail for marijuana violations”

As attorney general, Kamala Harris would not have personally prosecuted drug cases. Local district attorneys would generally prosecute such cases so to say Harris “put … people in jail” as state attorney general is not accurate.

helenslunch@feddit.nl on 25 Oct 03:06 collapse

Talk is cheap. As attorney general she also held the power to decide not to prosecute those people.

If she did anything to prevent this, why wouldn’t she just come out and say it? Not saying anything at all about it other than that she’s proud of it is the most damning evidence we can have.

xyz1195@lemmy.world on 25 Oct 05:16 collapse

Found the trump supporter guys.

Once again trying to find anything to discredit the dems.

helenslunch@feddit.nl on 25 Oct 05:34 collapse

Found the illiterate dumbass who thinks these statements support Trump in absolutely any way guys.

nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de on 25 Oct 12:41 collapse

When it’s a first past the pole and electoral college game to get elected, discouraging votes for Harris necessarily helps Trump.

Same as encouraging 3rd party voting in a system where they are mathematically prevented from winning.

You either don’t understand the system we have, or you’re a disingenuous troll for Trump.

Bertuccio@lemmy.world on 25 Oct 13:14 next collapse

Harris chose to do something immoral because “it was the law”, or it benefited her, or whatever - and you can expect her to continue doing that.

You still have to vote for her, but you also have to be realistic about who you’re actually voting for.

Republicans are the party who holds their candidates up without criticism - and Dems put up Kamala now exactly because Democrats were criticizing Biden - and even though she’s one of the worst candidates they’ve put up in years, she’s still far more electable than Biden.

So yes. You need to both vote for and criticize Harris. It’s the least immoral choice.

helenslunch@feddit.nl on 25 Oct 13:36 collapse

discouraging votes for Harris necessarily helps Trump.

Please point out on the doll where I discouraged anyone voting.

What you’re actually saying is that no one is allowed to criticize your favorite politicians. Which is totally unsurprising but disappointing nonetheless. This is the kind of whataboutism that has fueled our fucked up political system for centuries.

fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee on 25 Oct 01:08 next collapse

I don’t think federal agents are using these scanners to find people carrying weed

BossDj@lemm.ee on 25 Oct 03:39 collapse

That is up to the state’s attorney general whether to go after drug offense or not

nokturne213@sopuli.xyz on 25 Oct 04:10 collapse

I guess tell that to the federal agents seizing legal cannabis.

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 24 Oct 22:25 next collapse

Since when does law plays a role in harassment?

fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee on 25 Oct 01:08 collapse

poLiCe bAD

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 25 Oct 03:03 collapse

When u be that bottom...

Arbiter@lemmy.world on 24 Oct 22:52 collapse

Sorry, just replace weed with crack.

Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world on 24 Oct 22:23 next collapse

AI powered Melanin detector

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 24 Oct 22:26 collapse

Trust me bro it aint raycist... Check these stats 🤡

Venator@lemmy.nz on 25 Oct 18:20 collapse

They wanted a subway gun crime deterrent, they just found it was much easier to build a subway deterrent.

Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee on 24 Oct 23:30 next collapse

Earlier this year, investors filed a class-action lawsuit, accusing company executives of overstating the devices’ capabilities and claiming that “Evolv does not reliably detect knives or guns.”

It’s fraud. The company knows it’s unreliable and the investors know it’s unreliable, I wonder why NYC is still going to expand the trial run? 🤔

[Mayor] Adams has touted the Massachusetts-based company since taking office in 2022.

gt5@lemm.ee on 25 Oct 17:56 next collapse

To be fair, he’s also a former cop. He’s also under indictment for fraud so take that for what it’s worth

Malfeasant@lemm.ee on 25 Oct 18:26 collapse

They found a scam to replace stop & frisk.

Doorbook@lemmy.world on 25 Oct 00:37 next collapse

more tax dollars stolen

Death_Equity@lemmy.world on 25 Oct 02:05 collapse

All personal income taxation is theft.

Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee on 25 Oct 05:29 next collapse

TSA… security theater for the low, low price to taxpayer of $11.2 BILLION dollars

cley_faye@lemmy.world on 25 Oct 16:00 collapse

Not exactly, no. From other comments, it also have an incredibly high false positive rate, so it’s negative security.

narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee on 24 Oct 23:30 next collapse

The article links an article from March '24 talking about the introduction of these devices that contains this part:

The scanner that Adams and police officials introduced during Thursday’s news conference in a lower Manhattan station came from Evolv, a publicly traded company that has been accused of doctoring the results of software testing to make its scanners appear more effective than they are.

So they could never be trusted but were still allowed to proceed.

cley_faye@lemmy.world on 25 Oct 15:59 collapse

Look, we can either look at facts and check the claims of that company that we’re going to invest a lot of money into, or we can accept their bribe and move on. It’s all about efficiency.

OutrageousUmpire@lemmy.world on 25 Oct 00:34 next collapse

And people say New York isn’t safe.

Brkdncr@lemmy.world on 25 Oct 01:55 next collapse

I saw a dude jogging up the stairs and his gun fell out of his hoody sweats. He looked at it for a second and the picked it up and put it on his hoody like it was his phone.

5/7 best subway exit ever.

magikmw@lemm.ee on 25 Oct 08:45 collapse

I know the reference, and I’mma let you finnish, but 5/7, bruh that’s a gucci gun.

tal@lemmy.today on 25 Oct 02:00 next collapse

In total, there were 118 false positives — a rate of 4.29%.

Earlier this year, investors filed a class-action lawsuit, accusing company executives of overstating the devices’ capabilities and claiming that “Evolv does not reliably detect knives or guns.”

I mean, in terms of performance, I’d be more concerned about the false positive rate than the false negative rate, given the context. Like, if you miss a gun, whatever. That’s at worst just the status quo, which has been working. Some money gets wasted on the machine. But if you are incorrectly stopping more than 1 in 25 New Yorkers from getting on their train, and apply that to all subway riders, that sounds like a monumental mess.

jettrscga@lemmy.world on 25 Oct 02:15 next collapse

With how trigger happy police are, the false positives would lead to more deaths than they prevent. And police would claim it’s justified because the machine told them so.

Toribor@corndog.social on 25 Oct 11:37 collapse

Facial recognition confirmed he was a criminal and the scanner confirmed he had a gun! Of course we opened fire instantly. How could we have known it was just some guy with a water bottle?

SomethingBurger@jlai.lu on 25 Oct 12:50 collapse

We used advanced colorimetry to determine he was a criminal!

barsquid@lemmy.world on 25 Oct 12:29 next collapse

False positives are fine because they only happen to poors.

dezmd@lemmy.world on 25 Oct 19:01 collapse

“Not Hotdog”

spyd3r@sh.itjust.works on 25 Oct 03:14 next collapse

Someone should tell NYC that it is unconstitutional to infringe upon a person’s right to bear arms.

RedC@sh.itjust.works on 25 Oct 15:15 collapse

It’s funny that it’s all about states right to form their own laws until it’s about guns.

BD89@lemmy.sdf.org on 27 Oct 15:21 collapse

To be fair, I don’t think a state is supposed to make laws that take away constitutional rights though. It’d be like a state making a law taking away your freedom of speech, I don’t think that’s supposed to be allowed with state rights and all

Texas_Hangover@lemy.lol on 25 Oct 11:27 collapse

We have this ridiculous system at my work. Knives are prohibited, but get through all the time, tape measures and water bottles really piss it off though.

SiEstUbiEst@lemmy.world on 25 Oct 12:18 next collapse

Why are you stabbing each other instead of being productive? Had anyone asked this? Is it the oppressive work environment?

Strobelt@lemmy.world on 25 Oct 12:29 next collapse

You’re making the wrong questions here.

How can we use AI to stop or improve the stabbings? This is what get you a raise nowadays

underwire212@lemm.ee on 25 Oct 12:39 next collapse

He works at the knife factory

lando55@lemmy.world on 25 Oct 12:58 collapse

Haha you sound like the type who would bring a water bottle to a tape measure fight

echodot@feddit.uk on 25 Oct 12:49 next collapse

Knives are prohibited

It’s political correctness gone mad. Who doesn’t want to take a machete to work with them?

Snapz@lemmy.world on 25 Oct 15:47 next collapse

“Now you see, my boss allows the knives because he’s not a woke. The reason your office doesn’t want you to have the knives is because the knives give off natural ALPHA digital testosterone signals, especially colloidal silver knives made from gold. These ALPHA signals interrupt the 5G signal in the office chairs at your work. The chairs use the 5G to send wireless vaccines directly into your genitals and that can make you all trans DEI CRTS! This is why my boss, who’s also the local county republican chapter president, has to hand inspect all of our genitals (and out children’s) when we enter or leave the office each day. To make sure that rogue signals didn’t get us. Careful out there snowflake.”

pineapplelover@lemm.ee on 25 Oct 15:47 collapse

I wanna show off my new blades so my coworkers can see how cool it is

dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world on 25 Oct 13:59 collapse

Knives are prohibited

Tru fax, I am never working where you do, ever, so long as I live. I’d melt like the Wicked Witch of the West, I’m sure.