With the work that Valve is doing on Wine, and Proton, it’s really becoming easier and easier to justify the switch.

Issue is, a lot of people still using Windows, and Linux pro-audio is still questionable at best (lack of drivers, etc.).

That’s not a guarantee on the Linux world either, but at least you do have the option of recompiling your distro to not use those options.

There’s talks from some distros to start dropping support for such old CPUs because it’s holding back newer CPUs that could run even faster by using those instructions.

Could be. If you’re running a core 2 duo I am fairly certain Linux will run markedly faster than Windows 10+…

I’ll be sure to inform my whole company and I am sure they will be on board

People on the fence may be convinced. Most will just buy new computers.

Just ordered a system76 laptop, can’t wait to use it!

One man’s ewaste is another man’s etreasure.

Classic Debian stability issues i.e. borrrrring.

Might I recommend Manjaro? In case you want to add some spice back into your life.

I installed in dual boot configuration save for the fact that I haven’t yet booted back into Windows since.

Generally my games just work. More than that, the performance is great and the tweaks are few and far between where necessary. It’s an absolute world of difference in usability compared to a few years ago.

Starfield worked on Linux for me, albeit it with some graphical glitches.

Freetrack in my simulation games is why I still have Windows on my old gaming desktop - the tracking protocol that those sims use isn’t supported under Linux 😔 as well as another that specifically looks for the Logitech G hub to interface with the wheel.

Aside from the simulators, I’ve been gaming on Linux on my deck and haven’t run into any issues at all, especially with Proton-GE handy to run “unsupported” titles

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Except there’s no reason for not supporting it beyond greed. It worked previously.

You got downvoted, but that’s literally who’s catch phrase it is. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

God, I love game changer.

Windows 10 sucks as well.

Like seriously, it freaks out when I try right clicking on anything on the left hand panel of Windows Explorer.

And I have to keep restarting periodically, just to use not only my internal disc drive but also my external too.

Windows 10 is just as garbage.

7700K supports popcnt.

Laughs in 3770k just until a few months ago

I finally upgraded from a 3rd gen i7 to a 6th gen i7. There was no actual performance difference besides my gpu vram getting hotter, I just did it because the motherboard wasn’t as shit. I’m sure the difference between a 6th gen i7 and an 8th gen i7 is equally unnoticeable. I didn’t want to ever boot Windows again anyway.

Edit: huh, I’m intrigued by the downvotes. Is it because I used the wording “no actual performance difference” rather than providing benchmarks and proof? Is it because computer technology isn’t improving at the rate it used to and people are in denial and/or easily triggered about it? Or maybe because I’m “probably a troll” based on my username?

Those aren’t supported but they’re not affected by this specific change. The latest chips that won’t be able to boot are Core 2 Duo and the Athlon X2 chips that predated AMD Phenom. Old old.

Your slashes are arse about

I think Fedora has some issues. I just spent a couple of weeks with Fedora again after a few years of ignoring it. While it didn’t refuse to boot for me, after the last update things that were working stopped working and no amount of google could fix them. So back to Linux Mint again.

Fedora has never worked well for me since RedHat 5. It always has a failure at some point. Obviously, YMMV!

Linux doesn’t, fedora might. Just use a more stable distro like Debian

While I wear the sackcloth and ashes of FreeCAD, it is a full 3D modeling suite and is perhaps more than you need.

For something free and fairly simple in 3D modeling you could try TinkerCAD. This is a cloud based CAD that just runs in your browser and is often a gateway into more complex modeling for 3D printing. Many people find it all they need for the basic modeling they want for 3D printing. They do have some tutorials to get you started. I have taught it to 4th grade students using iPads for very simple 3D models they could 3D print.

Another easy to access program is OnShape. This is another cloud based, run in a browser 3D CAD solution. While it is aimed for commercial paid usage, they do offer a restricted free hobby licence. This is a “real” 3D modeling program and the interface and tools reflect that. But they do offer free modeling tutorials and videos to learn with. And their help search is very extensive and written in plain language to follow. I have taught OnShape to high school students because it would easily run on their school issued education Chromebooks. The most difficult part was getting the kids to use a mouse - they are all about touch pads and screens these. And CAD software ain’t made for that.

As far as being “Intuitive” well, when you are learning ANY new thing, it’s going to seem like that at first. You need need to learn how to think before you can do something with a new tool. And mastering CAD software means you need to learn how to think about design before you can worry too much about where the buttons are. And you learn how to think by doing and failing - often repeatedly. But if you pay attention to what you are doing and try to remember how things worked, you will start to learn how to think.

So pick a piece of software that works on Linux. Do a bit of google and find some tutorials for your choice of CAD and then do the tutorials. Do them more than once! Do them until YOU are comfortable with the process. And then keep practicing. I have been using various CAD softwares for 30 years and I still need to practice. Otherwise I lose the skills.

You can do this!

For private use strictly FreeCAD, at the job Inventor Professional. While FreeCAD is ‘not there yet’ in many regards, it’s a great piece of software -if- you accept the flat learning curve and invest time. But I understand what you’re saying. If you already have a solid understanding of CAD-basics, you rapidly understand what the programmers want to achieve and get there relatively fast. If you expect tabet-esque convenience (which I think from a professional standpoint should not be the goal for a parametric modeler) I get that people get frustrated.

Even within the CAD space, I was running CATIA natively years ago under Linux.

Seriously, it’s all you see on these posts. I’m not against people advocating for it, but it’s getting annoying.

lol

Post a picture of shit on your carpet, get mad when people say “You should clean that up.” The big brain am winning again.

I’m finding out that particularly complex modding can be a bit of a pain as well, but thats a more niche category than gaming in general

(I’m having a TERRIBLE time trying to get Bannerlord Script Extender to work on my Steamdeck)

This isn’t even true all the time anymore, helldivers 2 has a kernel anti cheat on windows but runs fine under proton!

This is simply not true. I recently tried Linux for gaming after several years because I read that Valve made some great progress. Installed Crusader Kings III and didn’t get Paradox Launcher to run which is necessary for any DLC.

This was literally the first game I installed from my huge library and it simpl didn’t work so I had to do two hours of research, trial and error and reading error logs to conclude that I wasn’t able to solve this problem.

This is the exact reason why I use Windows for gaming. It simply works 99 % of the time. And I don’t have the time to troubleshoot my games all the time.

Obligatory link areweanticheatyet.com

Which is ridiculous because unlike windows, you don’t NEED kernel level access in linux to know someone is screwing with memory but none of the anti-cheat devs are interested in making a whole separate anti cheat for the 2% of linux users.

If you guys want that, you need to write it yourself and give it to the game companies free, that’s the only way we are getting multiplayer online games in Linux.

I’m sure it wouldn’t be too hard to make something that filtered out all posts/comments containing the word “Linux”, what software do you use to interact with Lemmy?

The Linux proselytizing combined with the rabid impractical political hive mind have combined to slowly take my usage of Lemmy from “increasing and replacing Reddit time” to “flattened out, going back to Reddit a bit” and now it’s moving solidly into the territory of “definitely using and visiting Lemmy less, spending more time back on Reddit”.

This platform has so much potential, but the community sucks. Which is saying something, given that the chief comparison is the reddit community.

What average users would need to convert is access to sympathetic and patient support… what they get is obtuse gatekeepers. People who on the one hand think that everyone should use Linux but on the other hand insist that using it means that you’re hyper intelligent, and by extension requires you to be.

the gnu kind communication guidelines helped chill this for a short while, but it's back even in #emacs on libera.chat

Just looked at the feature set as it’s been ages and yep, infranview does stuff that gwenview doesn’t. For filters more complex than rotate, add basic text etc. I’d open krita, for batching there’s imagemagick.

This actually goes into philosophy: UNIX follows the “do one thing, and do one thing well” approach. Imagemagick is a better batcher than infranview, krita is a better editor than infranview, gwenview… well, is a better program to throw at random desktop users just wanting to view an image folder and rotate their snapshots precisely because it is not so overladen with features. Infranview is like if you took winamp and added half of a DAW to it.

It really should run under wine, though, things don’t tend to get platinum-rated by accident.

Didn’t really call any tool useless, but pointless. As in there are other tools that do things similarly but not the same. But habits are habits and people are not willing to change always, especially if there are a lot of changes to be made, no matter how trivial. Comfort zone is called that for a reason.

Also, not everyone knows how to make something for themself. When I switched full time to Linux we had few options in twin panel file managers which I was use to (Total Commander). None of them worked the way I liked them to. That is to say respected system theme and didn’t take a lot of time to refresh directory. So I wrote my own. But it’s an ongoing endeavor and I have to say an exhausting one.

I’d argue that linux is fine for every use case, BUT there are obviously some tools that do not work on Linux simply because the devs don’t support it. So it’s more a matter of having to learn other tools, which can be a huge undertaking I’ll give you that. The biggest step you can take towards using Linux is actually using all the open source tools on windows first. If all of your software works on both windows and linux, then changing the underlying operating system isn’t that big of a deal anymore. (some exceptions do apply, like some games will never work on linux because of kernel level anti cheat or the devs seem to straight up hate linux users, see Destiny 2 for instance)

That’s okay. Half and half is fine. For a while I really wanted Linux phone, like pure Linux, but that prospect is not happening any time soon and why settle for inferior experience that much when you can get close to open source.

jUsT uSe LiNuX 111!!!11!1!1!!1!!!1!11!!1!1!21111111

I have linux on everything except a surface pro 5, which ONLY exists for adobe and autodesk apps. Probably only works because I’m using the versions I’m comfortable with (from 2012) and they’re not too terribly bloated.

It’s not ideal, but fuck if I’m gonna try learning freecad AGAIN.

You can use GIMP though the UI takes a bit to get use to

EasyEffects exists, there is something called Catia or Carla which it can be use to run VSTs IIRC. But I am not an audio pro on linux or something like that.

At this point, Linux game compatibility is much better than 60%. More like 99%

You lot think that the solution to everything is Linux except you have absolutely no understanding of corporate IT. It’s hilarious. No wait, it’s annoying.

yeah i did read the article. to clarify for anyone confused, folks are already bypassing the TPM requirement to get these windows installs working in the first place. the POPCNT instruction issue is only affecting installs that are already using this workaround to force W11 to run on a device it doesn’t want to work on.

First generation Core i# line, the Core name itself goes back 2 gens before that.

for laptops, linux is king. but many use cases still don’t work yet.

and since a desktop needs to be able to do so much more, it’s going to be a long-ass time before i can switch.

already learning to use it though, so the switch will be as smooth as possible.

My wife does pro audio work as well. We both got fed up of the pure trash quality of MS’s updates (offline is not an option as remote sessions are sometimes needed). It got so bad that she had to comp a full session due to driver issues. So, despite loathing Apple, we bit the bullet and got a MacMini from Costco. Not quite Linux but it is unix- like and extremely stable.

For Linux, maybe check out Ardour, if you haven’t yet.

To me, this gives off the same sort of energy as “Americans will do anything to avoid using the metric system.”

Getting an OS from questionable sources that MS is almost certain to be aware is not a legit copy and relying on their goodwill to in order to avoid either getting new hardware or switching to a more reliable and usually monetarily free OS.

Maybe it’s that I’ve not been running Windows for over a decade but, I just don’t get it. You’re presumably going to be entrusting the OS with a Steam install and other potentially sensitive things.

So why don’t Windows users switch at this point?

That’s why we have the freedom to create different distros.

Good to know

Progress mate. Shit gets old because we came up with better shit (thats gonna get old too) so you toss it and forget about it. Repeat until planet fucked.

Yeah you could just switch to Linux on an old PC like that

The stuff that Microsoft is making mandatory for Windows 11 is hardware security features older hardware is more vulnerable to malware that runs at deeper levels of your system

If you want to be secure at the hardware level…or at least more secure at the hardware level, you need newer hardware

Core isolation for example won’t work on hardware that’s incompatible with windows 11

A lot of malware can’t run on a Windows machine once core isolation is enabled. Like I always say, if it won’t run with core isolation enabled, it’s probably malware

You can have it, but expecting modern windows to run seems a bit silly. It’s a for sale product not a community supported hobby project.

If it was worth supporting for old ATMs or POS terminals, Ms probably would. But the people with those systems aren’t paying for windows updates.

14 year old PCs are quite capable for may everyday use

I got a core 2 duo (3gb of ram and a HDD as a boot drive, really ancient I know) computer, it’s the only computer I have and I absolutely hate it since it sucks, even with Linux (xfce as a desktop) it takes so long to boot (usually 3 to 4 minutes, windows took like 6 to 7) and not to mention it being so laggy it struggles with launching Firefox and for example a file browser at the same time, and loading a webpage also takes a long time (around 20 seconds for Google, YouTube about 30 s)

Yeah, these computers are really just unusable even for really lightweight work, yeah “upgrade to a SSD, it will be blazing fast”, wouldn’t that just speed up the boot time? The least important thing? Since like I can just walk somewhere and then come back before it boots, but when I’m waiting for a webpage to load or a program to load up it’s really that I do have to wait there, doing nothing in the meantime

IDK, it’s a far cry from “dropping support for stuff 14+ years old” to “we’re going to coerce you into buying new hardware every other year”.

I bought a laptop at the beginning of 2010 and used it until spring of 2021. It was long overdue for replacement by then, so even that wouldn’t have been affected by this.

Honestly apart from newer COD i dont really miss any of my library but deffo always ways to improve for Linux gaming

You’re not really convincing anyone.

Like 90% of everyone here already uses Linux, and those who do use Windows only use it because they are forced to because of work or some proprietary program that Linux doesn’t currently have.

No PC should run windows, ever, yet here we are.

shouldnt run imo is wrong. a PC from 2006 is more then capable of running windows 11 without issue. maiby need a bit of a ram upgrade but for some light work is fine. getting all the latest security updates is also a good thing with windows. the choice should be made by the end user if their device is powerful enough to run win11.

I think W11 should ideally run fine on a 2006 PC, but I don’t think there’s any reason to expect a computer that old to continue to get support. Still would have been annoyed if they had nixxed booting 4th gen or 6th gen, but that would be my fault for running W11 on devices without official support to begin with.