Security updates for Windows 10 are currently set to end in 2025. However, there is a strong possibility Microsoft will continue to support it, given that so much hardware cannot be directly upgraded to Windows 11 (it can be done, but not officially).
You’re also saying that as if an up to date Windows 11 installation is the pinnacle of security. Last I checked (albeit I can’t remember the name of it), there was a very low level way of hacking out a Windows user’s password, one that Microsoft has no easy way of addressing. This is among any number of other zero days that are prevalent in such a widespread OS.
StopSpazzing@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 03:40
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I am saying that Linux is the way to go. Fk M$.
milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee
on 27 Nov 2023 04:32
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Maybe the botnet will play League of Legends better then I do. Meanwhile it will have ‘mysterious power outages’ whenever I’m doing real work in Linux ;-)
chaogomu@kbin.social
on 27 Nov 2023 02:33
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Last week I ditched windows for linux on my last computer.
And yesterday and today have been spent working fruitlessly to mod Baldur's Gate 3.
I cannot for the life of me figure out what's going wrong. So far, I've gotten a grand total of zero mods to work. If I were still on Windows, I could use one of two or three separate mod managers.
Sadly, this new laptop didn't come with Windows 10, only 11. Which was what fueled the drive to ditch it for linux.
You can download Windows 10 directly from Microsoft. Any version you like, if you use the command line interface.
You can then use an open source bit of software to commercially license it. This is basically legitimate, for all intents and purposes. It’s how corporate licenses are done.
A computer built for Windows 11 hardware should work just fine in Windows 10. You might not be able to use the official manufacturer’s drivers for certain bits, but the generic drivers should still work.
WHYAREWEALLCAPS@kbin.social
on 27 Nov 2023 03:10
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Did you check out Lutris for mod managers? I know Vortex is on there and is supposed to work with all steam games.
chaogomu@kbin.social
on 27 Nov 2023 03:36
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Ah yeah, Lamp. I've not gotten it to work at all.
As for Lutris, I tried both Vortex and the BG3ModManager. Couldn't get either working.
I even tried a straight wine install.
So I've been forced to do mod entries by hand. And even that isn't working, but at least I've stopped crashing the game.
Fun fact about Lutris and BG3ModManager, apparently a recent update to Lutris broke compatibility. I've yet to track down which version, I've just seen posts on various forums from the last few weeks talking about it.
ichbinjasokreativ@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 05:39
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There’s a github installer for mod organizer 2 on linux, which I use for modding skyrim. Maybe that would work for you as well?
geophysicist@discuss.tchncs.de
on 27 Nov 2023 06:22
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Welcome to Linux, where simultaneously the forum “have you tried Linux?” people claims it works perfectly, and they’ve never once encountered an issue ever in their lifetime, and the rest of the users struggle with bullshit error after error that somehow miraculously don’t occur on the soapboxers’ machines
milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee
on 27 Nov 2023 04:30
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I already reverted my machines to Windows 10 ages ago
Ah the sweet smell of, “your computer is not ready for Windows 11. Find out what you can do.”
MonkderZweite@feddit.ch
on 27 Nov 2023 09:18
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PixxlMan@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 19:26
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*upgrade to
Honytawk@lemmy.zip
on 27 Nov 2023 10:07
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The setting to disable Bing in search has existed since the feature has been added.
If only you guys learned to look in the settings…
ZenbyBosatsu@lemmy.today
on 27 Nov 2023 15:21
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I just switched to Linux bcs I couldn’t stand the MS BS anymore. Lol. Plus my computer can’t even update to W11. So only so much longer till I’d need to do that anyways lol.
There’s a good chance MS will have to extend their support for Windows 10 because of that. Either that, or they’ll have to make it easier for non-compliant hardware to run it.
ZenbyBosatsu@lemmy.today
on 27 Nov 2023 15:45
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That would be nice. Granted at this point I find it hard to find a reason to switch. Just seems boring at this point. Lol. Like I use the Surface Pro 3 which isn’t supported… which I think at the very least they should try to make sure even their OWN older hardware is supported? Lol.
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 16:46
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Windows 10 forces edge, bing, and ads in the search bar already. Reverting to 10 changes nothing in that regard.
That’s literally the whole point, but right now only in preview versions.
grue@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 03:54
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You know, if you use Linux you don’t have to jump through hoops like this (trivial though they may be). Wouldn’t it be nice to not have an adversarial, abusive relationship with your OS?
Zeroxxx@lemmy.my.id
on 27 Nov 2023 03:55
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In that same Linux I had to rack my brain and still failed to launch the game I want.
You mean like that relationship?
Sure Linux has its own pros, but not what I need.
WalrusDragonOnABike@kbin.social
on 27 Nov 2023 04:12
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Or maybe the one that I had to reinstall every other month because it kept failing to boot (probably because I broke something because I had no clue what I was doing and trying to get stuff working).
catonwheels@ttrpg.network
on 27 Nov 2023 04:46
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Or maybe the one that I had to learn how rollback graphics drivers because I bought wrong brand of graphics card.
This doesn’t make any sense. Drivers only get loaded if a device matching the correct device ID is plugged in. So a wrong driver won’t, can’t, load. So why would you need to rollback?
If you don’t have the correct drivers, it’ll still work, just poorly. And from there you can get the correct ones.
catonwheels@ttrpg.network
on 27 Nov 2023 15:32
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Maybe wrong terminology? Or hopefully not an issue.
Nvida released a new driver. The driver crashed my Linux every time put on load. Had to uninstall with command line. Install old instead.
With the replays on how that common with Linux and how I should brought amd. I assumed was Common frustration with new nvidia.
I admit Nvidia software is horrible, mainly because it’s proprietary and refuses to be nicely integrated. I’m not surprised they broke it. If only they’d at least release full documentation and then we could write good drivers for them.
The nouveau drivers don’t break, and are free as in freedom, but they don’t support “reclocking” for any of the RTX cards, so they’re stuck running at a lower speed. I think the 10-series got support though so they should run fine under it.
AMD support is a lot better than proprietary Nvidia, but it has it’s own freedom pitfalls (functionally, it’s fine on most distros).
Nvidia drivers are definitely an outlier in GNU+Linux, most drivers are free and so they integrate very nicely with the rest of the system and don’t randomly break.
Huschke@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 04:41
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I used to think the same and sure there are still definitely games that won’t work, but gaming on Linux has come a loooong way. And with the recent bullshit that Microsoft is pulling with Windows 10 and especially 11 I just couldn’t take it anymore.
I just pulled the trigger last week and took out my Windows 10 drive! Ironically, league of legends broke on Linux again the next day. But I’m sticking with it. Windows is just so slow, bloated, and hard to navigate. And all my games run fine on Linux. LoL will probably be fixed again soon.
If League is still broken by new years, I’ll learn DotA. It’ll be my new years resolution haha
JTskulk@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 04:51
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Skill issue
Zeroxxx@lemmy.my.id
on 27 Nov 2023 05:23
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Says linux elitist.
kirk782@discuss.tchncs.de
on 27 Nov 2023 05:57
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These people are another barrier on the road to Linux adoption. I personally had an issue with Void Linux, a systemd free distro whose manual is seriously lacking and lots of what is in Arch Wiki may not apply there. I went to their support server, detailed my problem and said that I had done what their manual said. The first response, I get is read the manual when it is just a page long(for the specific issue I was facing).
Ultimately, it was boiling down to a wrong flag attached to the command that was listed on the official website that was not solving my problem.
Support forums kind of suck all over. I’d imagine the systemd free distros are more elitest than the norm.
Also jeeze, just meming on the internet, no need to “Those people” me sheesh.
masterspace@lemmy.ca
on 27 Nov 2023 06:59
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Bruh, computers are tools to accomplish a task, if you wanna obsess over jack shit, then stare at the toilet, dont gatekeep a hobby.
If you need skills in order to use an OS, then that is a bad OS.
Adanisi@lemmy.zip
on 27 Nov 2023 12:21
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You don’t need skills to use GNU+Linux, in the same way you don’t need skills to use Windows.
It has different ways of doing things which needs to be learned, but that also applies the other way around. I’ve not touched Windows in years, and so it’d be quite an unfamiliar environment and I’d need to learn a new way to do things. That doesn’t mean it’s bad (it is, but for other reasons).
Tl;Dr just because you’re not familiar with something doesn’t make it bad or inferior
SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 15:50
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This is very true. There is a difference between being bad at using software, and software being bad. Linux just has an intrinsically bad desktop design.
jlh@lemmy.jlh.name
on 27 Nov 2023 05:04
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Are you using Steam? What game isn’t compatible with Linux and/or requires significant user effort to run?
PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee
on 27 Nov 2023 05:38
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Doesn’t work with older videos cards.
Zeroxxx@lemmy.my.id
on 27 Nov 2023 05:45
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I’ve spent countless hours playing a game called Romance of the Three Kingdoms XI with PUK, which comes with its own DRM (non-Steam). Despite its availability on Steam, I’m hesitant to buy it again for the same experience, especially since it doesn’t run on Linux.
Another game I enjoy, Dead by Daylight on Steam, consistently runs into issues such as severe memory leaks, unresponsive spacebar after alt-tabbing, random freezes, and occasional stutters no matter what troubleshooting I attempt.
Lastly, my wife and I frequently play Fall Guys. While it’s mostly audio-related, there are occasional random disconnects that never happen on Windows, which can be frustrating for a game meant for casual enjoyment
On Steam 60 000 games of the 70 000 are not compatible with Linux.
ExpertisePredicament@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 27 Nov 2023 18:09
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Honest question, what do you consider not compatible? I switched to Linux earlier this year and 100%'d Armored Core 6 (Verrrrry good game everyone should play it) and I’m currently playing through Cyberpunk 2077 + Baldur’s Gate 3 co-op with friends. If AAA games like these work pretty well I’d assume the vast majority of those 60k games work as well.
freeman@sh.itjust.works
on 27 Nov 2023 09:45
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Linux not being able to launch a game (that probably was not made for it) is not a relationship issue but a technical one.
Even if it is possible to run the game but you need to hack around your distro’s configurations, you can be certain the default configuration was not made with the specific intent of preventing you from running the game.
In the Windows case you are not hacking around with the json file to solve a technical issue.
Windows is not misconfigured, it’s Microsoft’s explicit decision to prevent you from removing some of it’s software even if it’s forced by law to do so for other people.
It’s ok if you don’t mind Microsoft’s behavior or you just find Linux’s technical issues more important in choosing an OS. But the issues are not similar neither equivalent.
milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee
on 27 Nov 2023 04:29
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Wouldn’t it be nice to not have an adversarial, abusive relationship with your OS?
The whole point of computers, as far as I can tell, is to be that abusive relationship we never could perfect with humans. Linux is no exception, it’s just more passive-aggressive and better with gaslighting.
“You see, if only you’d installed this dependency, which I showed you so clearly in the error logs all along - and I categorised them so nicely - but you never like to look there, do you? - I mean, I understand, and that’s why I mentioned it - not too strongly, because I didn’t want to upset you more - in the terminal output…”
jlh@lemmy.jlh.name
on 27 Nov 2023 05:02
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Most Linux developers don’t include anti-features on purpose, but Windows developers do.
I think dependencies have gotten simpler on Linux with flatpak. The fact that the command-line is still sometimes needed on Linux is just a fact of life. Nobody is forcing users to use it out of any sort of passive-aggressive distain for users, but just that it takes less time out of volunteer developers’ schedules to buold command-line tools.
I think one thing to note in the CLI-GUI debate though is that Windows pushed hard against CLI interfaces from day 1. Even starting with Windows 3, there were a lot of things you couldn’t do with CLI easily, while Unix has always had full CLI support. Users being unfamiliar with CLI interfaces is a symptom of Windows dominance.
Grass@sh.itjust.works
on 27 Nov 2023 05:53
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I use command line by choice on Linux, but find myself forced to use PowerShell to make a windows installation that is somewhat bearable.
geophysicist@discuss.tchncs.de
on 27 Nov 2023 06:17
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Or Windows dominance is a symptom of the average computer user struggling with a cli
I mean it’s so logical, I have real troubles figuring out why so many people don’t get it.
You can’t immediately see what options you have in a command line.
In a UI, you see the “menu” button right there.
If you have no idea about anything, in a UI, you can still click on the menu button, and are presented with more options.
In a command line, if you have absolutely no clue, what do you need to do? Honestly, you have to ask someone who knows (be it a friend, a manual, or web search). You can randomly start typing or press keys, but the chance to get to something useful is very low.
Why do people always assume GNU+Linux relies on a command line these days!? That’s like saying Windows does… I.e. it’s not true. Maybe if you go back to the Win9x and DOS days.
I swear, if you’re going to complain about possibly the only OS that fully respects users and their freedom, how about you actually use it first and understand it’s GUI mechanisms before spouting nonsense.
Windows is dominant because of extreme anti-competitive and other nasty practices in the past. The reason it’s still dominant is because it has locked itself into it’s dominant position since people are used to it (they still do many nasty practices today, as well)
dgriffith@aussie.zone
on 27 Nov 2023 12:45
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That’s like saying Windows does… I.e. it’s not true. Maybe if you go back to the Win9x and DOS days.
I don’t think you’ve seen the number of power user articles these days that give you two options :
Wade through 27 levels of keys and subkeys in regedit, create this dword, then stop and start this inscrutably-named service, or
Lmao I forgot about the registry. I was never a Windows power user.
dgriffith@aussie.zone
on 27 Nov 2023 21:15
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It’s was definitely one of those “seemed like a good idea at the time” kinda things, but now they’ve realised they’ve created a monster.
milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee
on 27 Nov 2023 13:19
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any sort of passive-aggressive distain for users,
Yeah, I don’t mean from the devs - though part of the community can be a bit like that sometimes. But the computer itself…
I may have been anthropomorphizing, with a touch of experience-induced poetic imagination.
Rosco@sh.itjust.works
on 27 Nov 2023 05:16
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Package managers have become so much better with dependencies. It’s been a while since I’ve encountered an issue, with yay it very usually works out of the box.
PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee
on 27 Nov 2023 05:37
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My stint with Ubuntu… 16? Did not end well.
KnifeFighter@feddit.uk
on 27 Nov 2023 10:36
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You realize that 16 means 2016, right? That’s almost 8 years ago. And even as someone who uses Linux I don’t like Ubuntu. I highly recommend trying Mint, Fedora, or EndeavourOS (Arch)
milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee
on 27 Nov 2023 13:22
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Agreed. Though I do have recent experiences of dependency troubles. I really should get better at reporting them to the proper channels, but by the time I’ve worked out how to fix, I usually don’t have the energy left… 😕
There’s a difference between feeling abused from intentional mistreatment and then there’s frustration from miscommunication or inadequacy from either partner.
Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 06:41
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It’s not Linux or Windows. For example Gaming and everyday Tasks I use Windows because Games I play run much better on Windows and I like to use it more. But for things like programming I will use Linux. I’m just beginning learning to code but I already made the painful experience of trying to get compiler, debugger etc. running on windows.
Linux and Windows are Tools. You can’t use a Hammer for every Taks, sometimes you need a Screwdriver.
Some tools are easy to repair but some tools detect if replaced parts are not from the manufacturer and refuse to work, or even require a subscription. You may say you really need a “screwdriver” but that doesn’t negate the criticism it requires being shoved up your fucking ass to work.
Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 14:19
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Bruh. In which Industry do you work?
Don’t act like using Windows/Linux is causing you physical Pain.
I believe proprietary software gives unjust power to the creators/owners over the users and that most people being taken advantage of is detrimental to a free society.
banneryear1868@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 06:51
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Ableton Live and plugins don’t work on Linux, and I’d rather run it on my own build, so I have to use Windows. That’s also the machine I game on. Everything else is Debian.
KnifeFighter@feddit.uk
on 27 Nov 2023 10:37
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You could try Bitwig. I have a friend that prefers it over Ableton even on Windows. And Windows-only VSTs work with Yabridge
LesserAbe@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 12:30
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Thanks for the Bitwig suggestion, I’ll look into it.
I’ve tried to set up multitrack recording a few times on Linux and regularly run into configuration issues. It is clearly not at parity with Windows. And even when one flavor of software does work, that’s not the same as someone’s chosen software working.
Some people have a workflow where they need to share stems and settings with collaborators or for mixing, which requires a specific program. And there’s still a fair amount of personal investment in learning the power features of a given DAW.
I’m using Linux as a daily driver and would like to see wider adoption. Unfortunately this is an area where I can’t recommend it.
Octopus1348@thelemmy.club
on 27 Nov 2023 06:51
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And if you use Linux you have to jump through hoops to install (non-steam) games. I know, just yesterday I had to search a working tutorial for installing Fall Guys.
Communist@lemmy.ml
on 27 Nov 2023 08:48
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This isn’t much of a hoop, you install wine and run the installer with it, furthermore, I’d rather deal with the kind of hoop that isn’t actively harming you intentionally any day.
Octopus1348@thelemmy.club
on 27 Nov 2023 08:50
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It was not easy. Other guides didn’t work, I had to find it, and also do or, so it took like 1 and a half hour.
My advice is honestly, just use steam, it’s largely a better experience anyway. I don’t think fall guys is exactly necessary. That’s a very self-imposed hoop, i’d get it if it was critical work, or if there were no alternatives, but, steam is a perfect experience.
It’s epics job to support linux, not linux’s job to support epic.
You ignore the reality though that even though it might be “epics job” to support Linux, it’s still the user’s problem right now if you want to play Fall Guys with your friends.
And you can’t just say “playing Fall Guys is not exactly necessary”. Social connections are very important to humans, being one of a group to not be able to participate in a shared activity can be socially isolating. Of course that’s a completely different topic you could argue about if it should be like this, but you can only dismiss it as not necessary for yourself, not as not necessary in general, for others.
If you use Windows, it works immediately, if you use Linux, you have to spend the time and do whatever that guy did. This is a very real cost for the user, time is one of the most precious things we have.
Of course you can argue about if it is worth it, but in the end people assign different value to things. If playing Fall Guys is very important to someone and it takes more time to do on Linux than on Windows, then Linux loses value. And this situation is not a single instance. People mostly only do what is the best for them in particular, and using less time to do the things they want to do is a prime example for this.
Fall guys is not the only game, nearly all of steam works flawlessly. So meh, and it is epics job to fix that. Play any other game on steam, fall guys isn’t important at all for the vast vast majority of users.
You do realize how much money Microsoft spends to make games work well on Windows, right? It is absolutely the responsibility of the OS to ensure smooth experience across many apps and services. This attitude right here is why Linux plays second fiddle to Windows still.
and yet nearly everything on steam works flawlessly.
It is absolutely the job of app devs to support the platform, I have no idea why you would believe otherwise, and as far as gaming is concerned I genuinely believe the only place linux loses on steam is anticheat, which isn’t a matter of linux side support. Do you have an example?
burliman@lemm.ee
on 27 Nov 2023 11:16
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Linux in a huge number of cases performs better than windows, and the only place where windows seems to win these days is anti-cheat, which is malware. Windows is certainly better when it comes to allowing users to install malware, but that’s really about it.
ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi
on 27 Nov 2023 14:21
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Any advanced user will face dozens of hoops a month on Linux
It’s never the simple things, nor the very difficult things. It’s small, niche workflows & use cases of your computer that you “sometimes” do, like, I don’t know, editing a PDF, installing shareX or an equivalent that can take a screenshot and upload it to imgur / run OCR on a part of your screen, running a Space Engineers server for your friends, running SSEEdit.exe to dump the contents of a potion overhaul mod in Skyrim and calculate which are the best ingredients to plant in your Skyrim greenhouse and garden for maximizing gold output.
No need to look up ways to do any of those, I’ll get different ones next week, and then more the week after.
You know, the millions of things that no one ever does except that guy in 2019 on StackExchange, but that you will have to do and then never again.
I face yearly hoops at most and I have supported many users, the vast majority of people have little to no trouble, and the cases you describe are either niche, one time setups, or bizarre things nearly nobody does.
I maintain that the vast majority of users will face fewer issues on linux than windows, these are all insanely edge cases.
ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi
on 28 Nov 2023 09:55
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It doesn’t matter that they are one time setups, the question is how many one time setups will you have to do in a year, year over year?
Same for “insanly edge cases” (editing a pdf, lol), the question is how likely are you to encounter an edge in your daily life?
When there’s a one-in-a-million chance to encounter a defect but there’s millions of them, it just becomes likely.
Turns out the world is made of a lot of edges for some advanced users.
Editing a pdf works perfectly, yes edge cases occur, but by definition they are not the norm, and edge cases would be resolved by more people using it anyway, and I can still easily recommend it for most people.
burliman@lemm.ee
on 27 Nov 2023 11:29
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Anyone who makes a stand to defend Linux as a gaming platform over Windows is righteously impractical at best, and a principled idiot at worst. It’s simply not there yet.
As a user who bought FG on steam, I had ZERO issues whatsoever getting this to run on my Walmart laptop. This is an Epic issue. Fuck Epic. Ran Fall Guys into the ground before laying off basically all of its creative team. It’s just a grind now…
diffcalculus@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 07:04
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Some of you sound like the annoying stereotype of vegans pushing their diet lifestyle.
Communist@lemmy.ml
on 27 Nov 2023 08:43
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That’s because like vegans, there is a moral imperative that most ignore or don’t care about, we have a genuine emotional attachment to foss, and because you are ignorant of the topic, you don’t care to listen.
What he said is harmless, true, and there is a moral imperative to say it, and ontop of that it isn’t like a diet, it’s better software that respects you, doesn’t spy on you, and for free and the only downside is a 15 minute install process (and the use of a flash drive). Why do you care enough to fight that?
SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 09:42
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If linux was a better software, it would have a substantial desktop share. But it doesn’t since it’s the most unintuitive userhating software built by man.
Because as we all know, the free market always comes up with the correct answer and is never distorted by companies.
SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 09:50
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I’ve never seen any OS being shilled like linux, it even beats apple fanboys during its heyday. A free OS that’s constantly pushed down our throats should by all means be a consumers number 1 choice if it was good.
But I guess having to learn 5 million commands to open a folder is bad design, who knew? I have better use for my time than debug drivers and figure out dependencies when W10 sort of works all that out for me in an intuitive fashion.
Womble@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 10:06
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But I guess having to learn 5 million commands to open a folder is bad design, who knew?
Thanks for showing that you’re not acting in good faith, bye.
SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 10:18
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You know exactly what I mean though. I just think you can’t bear to come up with a lie explaining how “sudo fifo 8 6 j u77f6j 87” is good design.
Are you just typing random letters? Terminal commands are basically programs, like word. There's thousands of them, just like there's thousands of programs on windows. And yeah, these programs, or terminal commands can get quirky, but they are also very powerful.
Luckily for you, modern distributions work perfectly fine without ever touching the terminal, so you should be fine if you prefer gui programs.
SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 10:26
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Just a reminder for everyone reading this, the comment above is written without an /s.
SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 16:14
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Did you reply to the wrong comment? I was saying there is nothing I couldn’t do in linux that wasn’t easier in windows. And there were (and still are) plenty of things you can only do on windows.
If you want to use the worse OS to fulfill some psychological complex, go ahead mate but this techveganism is just dull and old.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 27 Nov 2023 16:20
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i find there are lots of things i can’t do well on windows, but it might be because my knowledge started to stagnate about 20 years ago. for instance, pathing all my executables. i know it sounds niche but hear me out: i still write shell scripts basically every day. so if i need to call, say, inkscape to convert an svg to pdf, i find it’s easier in debian, since the inkscape executable is already in my path. and i create scripts all teh time and just stock em in my path. i use windows at work, and i find the whole notion of writing shell scripts for it daunting, not least because i need to track down the exact location of each executable.
You were saying that you had to memorize commands just to open a folder.
Plus, in my experience, everything was about the same if not easier on EndeavourOS.
Skeletonek@lemmy.zip
on 27 Nov 2023 12:25
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If you think you need to learn commands to open a folder you didn’t use Linux for the past 20 years. Most things are done now via a graphical environment such as Plasma or GNOME. It’s the more advanced things such as managing system services that are done via a terminal. But normal user really doesn’t have to do these kind of things for normal desktop use.
I’m all for Linux and have been using it for years, but saying a 15min install is the only downside is disingenuous. For many people there are a few programs they rely on that won’t work on Linux, and hardware support and general user-friendliness are still not quite where they should be.
Communist@lemmy.ml
on 27 Nov 2023 10:33
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the vast majority of hardware is supported, and as someone who works IT and gives linux to the elderly, I don’t agree at all with the user unfriendliness, provided you use mint and kde.
If your software doesn’t run that does suck, but the vast majority of usecases work perfectly with the breif explanation of “use the app store for any software you need to install.” Do you have any examples of user friendliness issues, or is it just that there are choices to make at all?
“The vast majority” is useless if the hardware someone has doesn’t work, and you usually don’t get official support and warranty from the manufacturer for Linux. There are also some categories like webcams, audio equipment or fingerprint readers where Linux support is still notoriously bad. And even if something mostly works, it’s fairly common for some hardware to have missing features, instabilities or minor issues on Linux. E.g. my mouse works on Linux ofc, but the software to set and edit profiles doesn’t.
Usability issues are mostly cases where you have to fall back to the terminal. An example from my experience would be that trying to upgrade the system from the app store fails half the time, so I have to use the terminal. Another would be a failed boot or graphics issues due to a broken Nvidia driver installation or messed up SELinux policies. It’s all fixable in the terminal, but good luck if you can’t use that.
How much are you willing to bet? I give a hint, there is an open issue from 2016 on their GitHub about supporting the manufacturer of my mouse. And that’s pretty much the point, because on Windows I just get the software with the box and that’s it. Of course it’s closed source and stuff, but it still provides a better experience than no support at all. And that’s just one example, Linux also can’t use the highest available resolution of my webcam, and the fingerprint reader on my laptop has been completely unusable on Linux from day one.
Immutable distros fix most boot issues, in the sense that you can undo a failed change, but that’s about it.
Ofc Windows has its fair share of issues, but it just doesn’t break as much in my experience. Probably because they have orders of magnitude more people working on finding and fixing consumer issues, incl. from 3rd party device and software manufacturers.
I’m sorry, but you’re lying to yourself if you think consumer support is on par with Windows. It’s getting closer and closer every year, but we are not there yet.
You can not agree with OP, but that doesn’t change reality. Linux is a pain to use for a regular user. Linux doesn’t support some programs that people depend on and have learned to use. Those things aren’t an issue for Windows, people don’t need to look around for fixes.
I get it, you like it. But the reality of it is - it’s a niche operating system for home use for a reason.
CeeBee@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 13:02
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Linux is a pain to use for a regular user.
Demonstrably false.
Linux doesn’t support some programs that people depend on and have learned to use.
Weird that Linux can’t run some applications written specifically for Windows. It’s a nitpick, but your sentence should be “some programs don’t support Linux”, because the issue isn’t with the OS, it’s with the developers of the software.
In any case, outside of some specific examples, most Windows software actually does work on Linux thanks to Wine and Proton.
Those things aren’t an issue for Windows, people don’t need to look around for fixes.
Maybe not, but they need to look around for fixes to dozens of other issues that shouldn’t exist. Like getting rid of ads in your OS.
Who gives a shit what’s the reason a critical program isn’t running on linux? It doesn’t work. That’s what counts to me, a user of this program. I won’t switch to linux as long as the things I need don’t work there. I won’t learn alternatives simply to be able to say “I use linux”. A lot of people share that sentiment, since for them, the OS they are using is a tool, not a way of life.
I won’t switch to linux as long as the things I need don’t work there.
Perfectly fine, but it doesn’t discount what I said before.
A lot of people share that sentiment, since for them, the OS they are using is a tool, not a way of life.
You’re right about this also. I want my OS to work for me and I want to not have to fight against the OS to get things done. For me that’s Linux. When I used to use Windows regularly it was nothing but annoyance and hindrances.
I don’t agree that it’s a pain for the regular user, I think it’s a pain if you use niche software, or software that’s designed to not run on linux intentionally.
Outside of that, it works perfectly fine. The vast VAST majority of users will not miss any software.
I’ve done the same, I don’t think windows is ready for normal users.
PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 14:52
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edit: I meant to say this to the one you replied to!
I agree with you. Plus, most of us are forced to use Windows 11 at work, where we spend most of our screen time.
Maybe I can bother with Linux at home, but that’s a fraction of the use case here.
ZenbyBosatsu@lemmy.today
on 27 Nov 2023 15:31
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Honestly true. At the very most you have to make certain switches to some software. For elderly people these switches are pretty minor since often they aren’t needing something like industry software for their work and at most will need to switch to like… LibreOffice, OnlyOffice or something of the sort. Not hard. For people in a job that may need design software like any Adobe product, there are
Plenty of alternatives that work pretty well. Main thing is just spending a few days to get used to it and learning the differences. Only big thing I’d say that would be very hard to switch to Linux is if you make Music. Because if you use FL Studio, the closest alternative is LMMS… and it sorta sucks and at times is very uncomfortable to work with. You’d probably have to switch to Ardour or Reaper which would be a pretty massive change… Overall though, those account for a small number of people.
PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 15:35
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I agree with you. Plus, most of us are forced to use Windows 11 at work, where we spend most of our screen time.
Maybe I can bother with Linux at home, but that’s a fraction of the use case here.
In fact, installation is one of the easiest parts unless you use vanilla arch
HerrLewakaas@feddit.de
on 27 Nov 2023 09:58
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Just fuck off and let me use whatever OS I want
Communist@lemmy.ml
on 27 Nov 2023 10:25
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Nobody has forced you to do anything, suggesting better, more respectful software is not force, why bother fighting against a more ethical alternative that respects you?
Also, vegans actually do something good for the planet instead of just choosing a different OS for their PC. So, maybe acknowledge that to your neighborly vegan next time, instead of telling them a story about how you once met someone who was really pushy about veganism.
m3t00@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 14:36
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ZenbyBosatsu@lemmy.today
on 27 Nov 2023 15:37
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Tbf yes. They do something good for the planet. But I wouldn’t say choosing a different OS isn’t good for the planet either. First, you aren’t supporting companies that will burn this planet down without a second thought for a few million dollars. Secondly there are a few things on Linux made to use less electricity than Windows AND the fact it can run on older computers just fine means that there is less of a need for constantly upgrading this creating less computer waste. (Which something I and many others advocate for and a very solid reason to use Linux) but also merely for the fact that it is by far more ethical in a multitude of ways…
smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de
on 27 Nov 2023 07:09
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Yes, should escape from using Windows if can.
But this is just news, why automatically there must be a comment like that?
qyron@sopuli.xyz
on 27 Nov 2023 07:35
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Listen, I probably one of the most hardcore linux propagandists out there, which spells disaster when I confess I’m anything but a tech guru, but even I am aware some people are too off the deep end to swim back and move to another OS.
Windows is locked in a dominant position and regardless how bad their solutions are in fact, not enough tech/privacy aware high level managers exist to push windows off the corporate shelf.
The alternative is to spread Linux and FOSS to kids and incentivize the use and exploring of technology because it is simply fun to do it, not shotgun proseletize and hope something sticks.
Your intention is good but the method, which I often use as well, needs a lot of refining.
Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 14:35
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Yeah, let me know when Revit, Civil 3D, ArcGIS, OpenRoads Designer are operable and supported on Linux.
nailbar@sopuli.xyz
on 27 Nov 2023 04:55
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It took me embarrassingly long to figure out how to read the title correctly. Like, you need a json file to enable Edge and Bing??
slampisko@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 07:22
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No, you need a JSON file if you’re not in the EU but still want to be able to disable the integrated crap
Of course not, we need to be able to store the huge amount of detailed settings in a OS somewhere.
gatelike@feddit.de
on 27 Nov 2023 10:08
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in a registry though? maybe the registry in windows is so hard to work with and automate that it is the reason that Linux took all of windows market share for computers that do work (everything but desktops)
Holdoooo@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 10:39
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You don’t have to use it, there’s app data folders now.
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 12:41
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??? Ms never had a large server market share. Linux took over unix in the server market.
Aurix@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 10:37
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Linux does with .conf files and directories which is kinda the same thing.
masterspace@lemmy.ca
on 27 Nov 2023 06:54
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Honest to god, EU regulators feel like the last bastion of sanity left.
qyron@sopuli.xyz
on 27 Nov 2023 07:24
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Like anything else, some times right, some times wrong.
This is a great “right” moment.
I dread the next “wrong” one.
masterspace@lemmy.ca
on 27 Nov 2023 16:38
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Just saying “sometimes right, sometimes wrong” is such an oversimplification that it’s meaningless.
Yes, almost all real world systems have variable outcomes, that doesn’t mean that are some aren’t better than others or on average produce better outcomes or ones that drive us in the right direction.
I.e. a system of strong regulators with clear and strong checks and balances (courts and parliament itself), is a far better system than one where corporations are just allowed to operate freely and implement whatever policies they want the instant they have the market power to do so.
My statement was not a critique but just an atempt to make a light remark.
I am fully aware the other option would be living in three ring circus, like the UK is turning into.
Lighten up. Smile.
FuryMaker@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 08:11
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Until they ban encryption…
Johanno@feddit.de
on 27 Nov 2023 09:03
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Well the parties in question are trying this for almost a decade. Mostly the “conservative” party from Germany wants total surveillance. In my eyes they are more right than Conservative
MonkderZweite@feddit.ch
on 27 Nov 2023 09:22
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The same people that want VDS, despite multiple consecutive judgments up to EUGH level against it?
Politics is complicated. The CDU is trying to enable spying on citizens for years. Which doesn’t mean people in the EU from Germany must share this idea.
kaesaecracker@leminal.space
on 27 Nov 2023 09:25
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Germany is one of the countries against the current chat surveillance proposal, so at least we have that going for us (which is nice)
sukhmel@programming.dev
on 27 Nov 2023 19:17
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I’m not sure what is chat surveillance protocol but whatever would be the result any benifits will probably only apply to EU citizens. I recently heard of how Russia’s biggest XMPP server was MitM’ed, it was hosted in Hetzner
It feels like everyone wants to eavesdrop on everyone else, preferably, or at least on everyone who’s not proteted by the local law. Still the US is a worse case of the spying on everything alive, I guess
Until any country ban encryption. Looking at you, USA.
topinambour_rex@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 13:58
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I thought it was tanked after the real sponsors was found out
sukhmel@programming.dev
on 27 Nov 2023 19:06
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Who the real sponsor was? Maybe I can read the whole story somewhere?
ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk
on 28 Nov 2023 12:11
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Lots of stupid stuff gets proposed by members too, but generally it does not pass or gets vetoed by someone.
tacosplease@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 13:57
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There is an old video of people larping in a public park. One guy is pulling bean bags out of a little pouch on his side and throwing them at the person he is battling. With each throw he screams “lightning bolt!!!”. Your username reads like three of his lightning bolt attacks.
smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de
on 27 Nov 2023 07:07
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The way Windows buil-in text editor colors and formats JSON files in 2023…
I disagree that that’s much of a problem. Notepad’s just a low footprint plaintext editor, period. It’s good enough for what it does. If you want something more advanced (with more footprint and start time), just use <insert editor here>. I never saw anyone hating on echo and cat…
kautau@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 08:36
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It is worth mentioning that changes you made to the IntegratedServicesRegionPolicySet.json file won’t have effect in stable versions of Windows 10 and Windows 11. Microsoft has to roll out this new capability to the stable branch in March 2024.
It’s annoying that this is all the way at the bottom of the article. Good to know I can do all this, glad I didn’t attempt to change any of this now, because it’s pointless until these updates hit stable
Eh, I switched last year and it’s really not that different.
I’d assume it’s actually easier now by comparison seeing how Windows has kept shoving in ads
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 13:11
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Good for you. You represent the entire computer user base, then?
Now tell the millions of people that don’t want to screw around with different distros, broken repositories, software that doesn’t work on Linux, proprietary drivers, etc. etc.
I like Linux a lot, but don’t make it something it isn’t. But this is Lemmy, so yay Linux.
OtakuAltair@lemm.ee
on 27 Nov 2023 13:12
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I don’t know what half of that is, and frankly I don’t care lol
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 13:18
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Obviously.
4lan@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 13:19
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This whole platform is just Linux and Trump I swear
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 13:21
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CommunityLinkFixer@lemmings.world
on 27 Nov 2023 16:02
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Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !risa@startrek.website
Isn’t that a benefit of Linux, having all kinds of different distros and different options available? There isn’t a “one size fits all”. Just find the one you like and go from there.
broken repositories
How often does this actually happen? I can’t think of a time I encountered broken repositories within the last few years of using Linux as a daily driver, I feel like you’re exaggerating this. I think the repository system in general is amazing and installing software on Linux is so much better than Windows in about every way really.
software that doesn’t work on Linux
This is a fair point, it depends on your use case. If anything you need is only tied to Windows, then yeah you don’t have many options unfortunately. But I think for average people its probably fine since basically everything is on Linux nowadays, I guess biggest exceptions are like Microsoft Office and Adobe’s suite.
proprietary drivers
I assume you mean NVIDIA? You can just get a distro that includes them already installed and ready to go like Nobara, or just use one that makes them easier to set-up like Pop OS, if you’re uncomfortable installing them on a regular distro. (Though it really isn’t that difficult).
Overall Linux isn’t for everyone, but I do think it’s improving more and more and about at a point now where average users could probably get away with using it instead of Windows in a lot of cases. But it does depend on your use case for sure at the end of the day. Hopefully I’m not out of touch here though lol.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 14:02
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Computers are like cars. People want a car that goes from a to b, like every other car, with no fuss. If you’re really going crazy maybe you look for a manual transmission. They don’t want to mess with computers. They don’t want to know what’s under the hood. They don’t want to have to understand how the CVT works, or how to update a broken repository link via command line. That’s 99.5 of people.
How often do broken repositories happen? Often enough. Biggest reason would be not updating systems and the old repository closed. “BuT WhY wOuLd AnyOnE NoT UpDAtE!!?!” You might ask? Because updating breaks shit. I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve had a distro set up exactly how I want, apt-get, now my gnome desktop isn’t working. Or Wine doesn’t work. Or whatever.
Only thing you use is tied to windows… See, that’s the thing. You just tossed that out there like all the windows software has a direct and equally capable equivalent on Linux. That’s not true, and I refer back to my car analogy that 99.5% of people don’t want to screw around with trying to sort out workarounds.
As far as drivers go it’s not just NVIDIA, but everything from touchpads to Bluetooth to fingerprint ID unlocks don’t all have Linux drivers. I actually find NVIDIA to be fairly well supported and haven’t had too much difficulty with it since Steam and gamers have decided that maybe Linux isn’t so bad and have made a lot of effort to keep things updated and compatible.
Out of touch… maybe. Take a trip through the Ubuntu forums some time. Probably the most popular and relatively easy distro to use. There are a ton of posts that just don’t get answers, where people just give up, or have multiple command line entries suggested that deal with everything from permissions, different command modifiers, and extremely basic stuff that doesn’t work like config or make. Again, think about that 99.5% that simply doesn’t want to deal with that shit, much less open a terminal window. They probably don’t even know how to open an admin level CMD window on Windows or even the task manager. Think how computer illiterate most people are where even changing a setting in their cellphone is too much trouble.
Look, we could discuss this all day. One of my chief complaints about the Linux crowd is that they just toss out that everyone should switch while completely ignoring the qualifications of the user base they’re asking to switch and putting that up against the thousands of choices and ways to break Linux that exist. That’s why people like Apple products. They’re hard to break by messing around with settings because Apple won’t let you do anything with the OS. You can still break windows, not as easily as one could before, and linux still breaks itself whether you like it or not.
I used to recommend Apple over Arch too for the exact reason, but then Wine and Proton drastically improved, especially GE. The only app I use that I can’t get to work or find a very good alternative for on EndeavourOS is
Roblox
(and my fingerprint driver, like you mentioned)
though I don’t speak for all industries of course.
My repositories have never broke for me, thanks to Arch, probably. If you’re really that worried about updates, you should probably use one of these dirty fixed-release LTS distros.
I also have no idea how the kernel works.
dwalin@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 13:50
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I just installed Ubuntu (the more mainstream ofnlinux distros) to replace my windows OS. I was greeted by a cryptic error. After a quick search for some tecno bable, i had to start on safe mode and install the video drivers.
Do you think a “regular user” would be able to do this?
1984@lemmy.today
on 27 Nov 2023 14:40
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Don’t use Ubuntu desktop, it’s really buggy and full of snaps. Please try Pop OS and you will come back and say how smooth it is, and how you loved it.
Yes, thats was the issue. I know about the proprietary drivers and the typical NVIDIA bullshit.
systemglitch@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 13:55
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I’m amazed it took to the second comment to mention Linux.
Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 14:36
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Suuure, let me know when Revit, Civil 3D, ArcGIS, OpenRoads Designer are operable and supported on Linux.
1984@lemmy.today
on 27 Nov 2023 14:39
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Not many users need those.
Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 14:42
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I have 800 users at my work that would say otherwise. Those are software that the entire civil engineering, geospatial, and architectural world rely on to make infrastructure. So, I’d say many users need those.
1984@lemmy.today
on 27 Nov 2023 14:44
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Yes but it’s relative. I have 800 users right here that doesn’t use any of that stuff. Just saying it’s not really a block for 99% of users because all they do is surf the web and play games.
Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 15:14
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Over a hundred million people use Autodesk products; Bentley systems is around the same size. Entire essential industries are built on these software. Pinning that all on 1% is disingenuous.
My overall point is that until Linux or the software developers do something about the incompatibility/nonsupport, Windows is here to stay. Some of us have no choice.
captainjaneway@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 15:23
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Does Wine not work for those tools?
peanutbutter_gas@lemm.ee
on 27 Nov 2023 15:31
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Exactly what I was wondering. I main Linux since 2019. A buddy of mine sent me a unity demo game that he made ( basically a hello world ). I just did wine hello-world.exe and it ran just fine ( auto downloaded .net runtimes and everything ).
I don’t expect everything to run flawlessly, but wine has come a long way. Especially with valve support and investment into proton for gaming.
sheogorath@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 15:57
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When you’re working on enterprise level stuff, it can be difficult to run any software that you want. There are layers upon layers of accountability that are needed for legal purposes.
villainy@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 15:41
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Good luck getting support for commercial software if you’re running it under wine.
captainjaneway@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 18:09
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Oh I didn’t realize that wine was so bad at supporting Windows applications. I’m not a frequent user of it so I just knew it as a “replacement” for windows apps.
villainy@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 20:22
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It’s not that wine is bad at supporting Windows applications necessarily. If you (or your company) buys software that supports some versions of Windows and you open a support ticket with some issue running in Linux under wine, that’s a ticket that will likely be closed fast as an unsupported configuration.
I use Windows at work (it is a corporate laptop) but I don’t use a single app which is Windows-only and irreplaceable. My current job isn’t technology-focused, and I don’t really use anything except standard office-related software.
In my previous job I was a software engineer and also used Windows (same reason; corporate laptop) but again everything I used would have worked in Linux.
People should use whatever platform works best for them. I’m a Linux user at heart, but I’m all for using Windows if that’s the right tool for the job. But it’s not a “grown ups need Windows only teenagers can use Linux” thing. Most working people would do fine with Linux or Mac.
applebusch@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 15:39
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Looks like the other three aren’t natively supported though.
bitwolf@lemmy.one
on 27 Nov 2023 16:10
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A bunch of our civil engs happily use qGIS.
I’ve noticed Ala lot of the features on ArcGIS actually originate from qGIS after having built some mapping tools.
Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 16:52
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Ah, I didn’t know that about ArcGIS!
Still, the others are arguably more important to the civil industry as a whole. I personally don’t believe Autodesk or Bentley will ever support Linux, so us civil folks are stuck.
Lemonparty@lemm.ee
on 27 Nov 2023 16:10
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I knoooooooow. I know arcgis is working on it at least. I’m a geologist, a ton of our geospatial programs require windows.
But I’m about ready to experiment with a dual joot for my home set up! I really never need windows for that anymore
I mean yeah, same with adobe and loads of other enterprise software suites. Unfortunately, most of us have no way of convincing our enterprise to move off of their shitty suite. I personally use open his for as much as possible, but professionally I’m stuck with what my work makes me use.
Starburn@lemmy.world
on 28 Nov 2023 10:11
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These systems are critical to serving ads/propaganda. This is a dark day for the free world
misophist@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 15:36
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Just a JSON file in Windows 11 enables you to dock the fucking taskbar to the side of your screen.
I’m just a simple girl with simple desires.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca
on 27 Nov 2023 15:43
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Just install Linux already. Have any inevitable windows requirements? Run them in a VM until you can get rid of them. Fuck Microsoft and their bullshit
f4te@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 15:53
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I dunno man, I recently put Mint onto my Lenovo and… the refinement just isn’t there STILL. dual monitor management isn’t very good, even mouse acceleration doesn’t play well when you go from the touchpad to an external mouse. Sure, many things have improved, but the fit and finish just isn’t even where windows was a decade ago…
CCatMan@lemmy.one
on 27 Nov 2023 16:00
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Is it not good or is it different from your habitz? Haven’t had issues with those points on my Linuxes.
bitwolf@lemmy.one
on 27 Nov 2023 16:08
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We’re you on Xorg? I think Mint still is by default?
Recommend trying Fedora proper (with Gnome).
Everything works perfectly except HDR (next release).
Even multi monitor and hidpi. It’s polished and cohesive in its design. And if you want the windows 7 look you can use the dash to panel extension.
warmaster@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 16:44
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I have dual monitors with different scaling and refresh rates, both work perfectly. Even VRR works as expected. I’m using Manjaro KDE with Wayland, Intel CPU, AMD GPU.
Linux Mint hasn’t finished their work on Wayland and thus, the things you are experiencing are unfortunately expected. So you might want to try with another distro with GNOME or KDE.
When people suggested you Mint, they were wrong in ignoring your setup.
That’s another issue with Linux: one thing works in distro X and another thing works in distro Y. OS should just work. Linux doesn’t.
warmaster@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 20:12
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Linux works. It’s only a Kernel.
Android is also a linux distro. To you, it might seem as another OS. So from that point of view, each distro would be a dIfferent OS. So you should judge each distro as such.
So, what people told you Linux is, in fact that Kernel on top of a ton other software.
You can’t expect all distros to be the same. Because their purposes are different.
That’s not what people mean when saying “switch to Linux”.
warmaster@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 23:25
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They mean a Linux based OS, and say Linux for short. They could also say GNU/Linux, but chose not to. I do it every single time, but its for convenience, but technically imprecise.
When we are talking about distributions being different, that’s their whole purpose, since their only common denominator is the underlying kernel.
I didn’t say Linux was good and Windows was bad. I was commenting on how one gets used to what they use regardless of what it is and implying that this effect might be the cause of their negative feelings rather than their implicit claim of Linux being a decade behind.
But just for an example or two, I like privacy, I like options, I don’t like ads, I don’t like MS coercing me to update to their newest, most restrictive, least private, most profitable OS version. I don’t like them coercing me to use their browser. I don’t like the feeling I get using software from a company known for anti-competitive behavior. A bunch more stuff like that really.
But tbh, I don’t have many Windows usage gripes as I’ve been able to avoid it most of my life. Why put up with all the other issues to use something that might be better in some cases unless forced to.
CosmicCleric@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 19:32
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Try Fedora with KDE.
In my opinion it’s the best one for having the most ease-of-use hardware support out of the box, as they’re backed by IBM, which used to own Lenovo.
Globulart@lemmy.world
on 28 Nov 2023 06:57
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I will never install Linux because I’ll never trust that it’ll be easier to use than windows, and that’s all I want.
I can’t count the number of people that have told me I should be on Linux and that if I use Mint it’ll be a piece of perfect cake, despite me also seeing comments like this on a pretty regular basis.
Why is it that so much of the community REFUSES to acknowledge any shortcomings? Almost like it’s their child and you’re personally attacking their parenting by suggesting its not flawlessly simple.
milkjug@lemmy.wildfyre.dev
on 28 Nov 2023 11:35
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You know what, you’re absolutely right. I’m pretty steeped into the whole linux thing, but it really isn’t going to win any prizes for usability. If I need shit to work, I’ll boot into my windows partition. When I’m up for some tinkering fun, my GRUB defaults to Tumbleweed. It is not for everyone, despite what some neckbeards or snobs would lead people to believe.
Installed Mint. I needed quite a lot of work to make for example IDE configured CORRECTLY.
(VSCodium on flatpak is a pain in the ass, don’t recommend). But aside of that, after small tweaks and customizations and I like it. I’ll make a point that I kad previous experience with Linux (PopOS/Mint/Ubuntu), although not a positive one. Now I’m seeing that being here is vastly better than windows, and ofc more concise. The backup system is nice, allows you to revert for example an update (which was important for my case cuz after major system update, fingerprint authentication on login screen was borked, and needed reinstall). Overall nice experience. It’s not perfect, but nothing is.
iamtherealwalrus@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 17:03
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Running Visual Studio in a VM? No thanks, it is heavy enough as it is. And don’t say use VS Code or Rider. Saying “Just use some other software, so you can use Linux” defeats the entire argument that Linux can be used in place of Windows.
Discord with virtual backgrounds for video calls? Yeah that’s not supported on Linux.
TheSlad@sh.itjust.works
on 27 Nov 2023 20:24
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I mean, you should be using Rider anyways.
olympicyes@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 23:25
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If you’ve got two video cards, which is pretty much the case for anyone with an Intel cpu, then gpu pass through solves many problems. I really only use a Win10 VM for games and Adobe software plus one piece of work software. I think whether your overall point is valid or not depends on what you need Linux for and how much you still depend on Windows apps. To be honest the nicest piece of software available on Windows and not other apps is Nvidia Broadcast. You could use OBS to get your blurred background on Discord but that’s really too much work.
a_fancy_kiwi@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 18:52
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Anti-cheat is still a major issue. Even in a VM with GPU pass-through, anti-cheat will still prevent some popular games from running.
As an artist, the hassle of running a VM can actually kill creative flow. Same with alternatives.
People underestimate how much such a tiny can completely disrupt flow of thoughts, esp for creative works.
It’s not even laziness either. It just “feels wrong”
notannpc@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 17:20
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Sweet, even less garbage to clutter up the ol gaming rig.
Maybe one day game devs will enable anticheat on Linux so I can finally uninstall the shit OS.
CosmicCleric@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 19:23
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Maybe one day game devs will enable anticheat on Linux so I can finally uninstall the shit OS.
EasyAntiCheat is already there.
olympicyes@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 23:16
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I think whatever Valorant has is the main issue. Back 4 Blood also doesn’t work for some reason, nor does it work in a Windows VM.
elias_griffin@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 19:36
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Microsoft and Apple pervasively install thier entire platform in their Operating Systems so you can’t just have what you need to have on one of their computers, you have the buy the whole platform.
If we are headed for a global AI monolith or Bladerunner type future, it will surely run on Linux! It’s everywhere and Linux will never again be steered by the community.
Instead use and help make successful any Indie Operating System like Haiku, Aero, or Minix3 instead of literally working as the tinniest cog ever for a Global Mega-Corp Consortium.
You can also just use GhostBSD which is a superb Desktop BSD experience based off of stable FreeBSD that installs and works like Mint. Control your own kernel and everything about your BSD with NetBSD. Now is a great time to get into BSD with NetBSD 10 RC1. Learn it now and you’ll have an OS that when released does only what you want it to do.
Finally there is the fastest BSD, Dragonfly. I made a Dragonfly BSD setup script that will turn a $250 2019 Thinkpad T495 into a lightning fast programmer workstation that does only what you want it to, and hardened. It never even makes one call out to the internet unless you typed the command in or allowed it beforehand.
If you insist on using Linux, then use a distro with an independent kernel that let’s them know you would not like the Linux kernel which has been badly managed by the Dictator Linus, globally taken over.
Squizzy@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 19:52
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Can’t any point in Linux just be forked? So if it becomes like Microsoft’s products someone can just fork the preferred version and run from there no?
elias_griffin@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 19:58
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It kinda already is a Microsoft project by Finance and each of them integrating the other’s systems more and more. Also, the highly paid world programmers are putting non-free blobs and highly complex code into Linux and at 40 million LoC, I propose it will soon be beyond the community to run a coherent fork without all the global code.
Aatube@kbin.social
on 27 Nov 2023 20:32
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Linux is a kernel. The distribution is what actually matters.
Plus, I am not a fan of deciding whether to use something based on who funds them.
elias_griffin@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 20:46
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You have it backwards. The kernel is Linux. A distribution is added to the kernel. The kernel is what matters, the distribution is consequent and relies on the kernel which dictates all it’s functions. The distribution is flavor on top of foundation. 101.
All investment of time, money, resources, everything, should be ethical choices, ethical investing. Deciding to ignore who funds what makes you vulnerable to accept tainted diamonds, Cartel funded dispensaries, restaurants, and Policians, etc, etc. You should be wary of who you make rich, who you compensate, who you give your money to.
Ignorance of money and the resources it drives that determine the fate of people everywhere is simply ignorance and your viewpoint should not be rewarded.
You have it backwards. The kernel is essential to an operating system, but all it does is the basics: process system calls, manage processes, get you virtual files... Essentially, a kernel is just the programming language and its runtime for everything you build in an operating system. Distributions are ran on top on the runtime, and the distribution is what's important in whether the user's liberties are respected or not. A programming language cannot compromise your liberties.
As long as something's funds doesn't change its features enough to obstruct the users, any kind of funding is fine. So far, obstructions have not happened to the Linux kernel.
elias_griffin@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 21:08
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A programming language cannot compromise your liberties.
As a decades experienced security professional myself I can tell you that people reading are not taking what you say seriously so I don’t have to respond and tediously break apart that swath of misinformation.
Minus points for parroting me.
zipfelwurster@feddit.de
on 27 Nov 2023 21:37
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What exactly are you criticizing about linux? That it got (too) successful? That it is run in its current form by Linus Torvalds at the top as a sort of benevolent dictator? That it is taking money from sponsors?
Genuinely curious, this is a first time I’ve seen such criticism. More often I see linux people in endless flamewars about DEs, wayland vs X, package managers or whatever they feel strongly about and I’m not interested in those.
CosmicCleric@lemmy.world
on 27 Nov 2023 19:47
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I’m honestly surprised that I’m going to say this, as I have not used this term and over a decade, but there’s a lot of FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) going on in the comments on this topic, trying to shape a certain narrative.
ilinamorato@lemmy.world
on 28 Nov 2023 13:11
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None of these settings should be controlled by Microsoft. It’s my computer, Satya.
SendMePhotos@lemmy.world
on 28 Nov 2023 13:30
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That seems like standard options why would they be disabled?
threaded - newest
GIVE IT TO ME YESTERDAY
Christmas came early this year
The headline is misleading. This Json file is staged but not ready until Microsoft actually releases the changes in March 2024
Yup.
Guess just need to wait till they do.
Aw man. I’ll plug in the PiHole again T_T
This really should be on for everyone, not just when it detects you’re in the EU.
Seems like it would be elementary to add your country code to the list of regions.
@snaptastic
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Stop, I can only get so erect.
Who am I kidding, I already reverted my machines to Windows 10 ages ago, and haven’t had to deal with such bullcrap.
Until you don’t get anymore updates and you are hacked and botnet infested.
Security updates for Windows 10 are currently set to end in 2025. However, there is a strong possibility Microsoft will continue to support it, given that so much hardware cannot be directly upgraded to Windows 11 (it can be done, but not officially).
You’re also saying that as if an up to date Windows 11 installation is the pinnacle of security. Last I checked (albeit I can’t remember the name of it), there was a very low level way of hacking out a Windows user’s password, one that Microsoft has no easy way of addressing. This is among any number of other zero days that are prevalent in such a widespread OS.
I am saying that Linux is the way to go. Fk M$.
Maybe the botnet will play League of Legends better then I do. Meanwhile it will have ‘mysterious power outages’ whenever I’m doing real work in Linux ;-)
Last week I ditched windows for linux on my last computer.
And yesterday and today have been spent working fruitlessly to mod Baldur's Gate 3.
I cannot for the life of me figure out what's going wrong. So far, I've gotten a grand total of zero mods to work. If I were still on Windows, I could use one of two or three separate mod managers.
Sadly, this new laptop didn't come with Windows 10, only 11. Which was what fueled the drive to ditch it for linux.
You can download Windows 10 directly from Microsoft. Any version you like, if you use the command line interface.
You can then use an open source bit of software to commercially license it. This is basically legitimate, for all intents and purposes. It’s how corporate licenses are done.
A computer built for Windows 11 hardware should work just fine in Windows 10. You might not be able to use the official manufacturer’s drivers for certain bits, but the generic drivers should still work.
Did you check out Lutris for mod managers? I know Vortex is on there and is supposed to work with all steam games.
A little detective work got me to this Linux specific mod manager that targets BG3 and CP2077 - https://github.com/CHollingworth/Lampray
Ah yeah, Lamp. I've not gotten it to work at all.
As for Lutris, I tried both Vortex and the BG3ModManager. Couldn't get either working.
I even tried a straight wine install.
So I've been forced to do mod entries by hand. And even that isn't working, but at least I've stopped crashing the game.
Fun fact about Lutris and BG3ModManager, apparently a recent update to Lutris broke compatibility. I've yet to track down which version, I've just seen posts on various forums from the last few weeks talking about it.
There’s a github installer for mod organizer 2 on linux, which I use for modding skyrim. Maybe that would work for you as well?
Welcome to Linux, where simultaneously the forum “have you tried Linux?” people claims it works perfectly, and they’ve never once encountered an issue ever in their lifetime, and the rest of the users struggle with bullshit error after error that somehow miraculously don’t occur on the soapboxers’ machines
Ah the sweet smell of, “your computer is not ready for Windows 11. Find out what you can do.”
Install via Rufus. If you have to.
Roll back to Windows XP.
*upgrade to
The setting to disable Bing in search has existed since the feature has been added.
If only you guys learned to look in the settings…
I just switched to Linux bcs I couldn’t stand the MS BS anymore. Lol. Plus my computer can’t even update to W11. So only so much longer till I’d need to do that anyways lol.
There’s a good chance MS will have to extend their support for Windows 10 because of that. Either that, or they’ll have to make it easier for non-compliant hardware to run it.
That would be nice. Granted at this point I find it hard to find a reason to switch. Just seems boring at this point. Lol. Like I use the Surface Pro 3 which isn’t supported… which I think at the very least they should try to make sure even their OWN older hardware is supported? Lol.
Windows 10 forces edge, bing, and ads in the search bar already. Reverting to 10 changes nothing in that regard.
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Youre the fuckin goat
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IntregratedServicesRegionPolicySet.json
{ “$schema”: “schemas/IntegratedServices RegionPolicySet.Schema.1.0.0.json”, “version”: “1.0”, “policies”: [ { “$comment”: “Edge is uninstallable.”, “defaultState”: “disabled”, “guid”: “{1bca278a-5d11-4acf-ad2f-f9ab6d7f93a6}”, “conditions”: { “region”: { “enabled”:[“AT”, “BE”, “BG”, “CH”, “CY”, “CZ”, “DE”, “DK”, “EE”, “ES”, “FI”, “FR”, “GP”, “GR”, “HR”, “HU”, “IE”, “IS”, “IT”, “LI”, “LT”, “LU”, “LV”, “MT”, “MQ”, “NL”, “NO”, “PL”, “PT”, “RE”, “RO”, “SE”, “SI”, “SK”, “YT”]} } }, { “$comment”: “User can disable web search.”, “guid”: “{6002ce31-b807-4f82-820c-2b92e716ab76}”, “defaultState”: “disabled”, “conditions”: { “region”: { “enabled”: [“AT”, “BE”, “BG”, “CH”, “CY”, “CZ”, “DE”, “DK”, “EE”, “ES”, “FI”, “FR”, “GF”, “GP”, “GR”, “HR”, “HU”, “IE”, “IS”, “IT”, “LI”, “LT”, “LU”, “LV”, “MT”, “MQ”, “NL”, “NO”, “PL”, “PT”, “RE” “RO”, “SE”, “SI”, “SK”, “YT”] } }By disabling this, does it mean I'll be able to set Firefox as the default browser to open when doing a web search from the start menu?
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I use MSEdgeRedirect to redirect both the search engine and the browser used by start menu searches.
Does this work for non EU?
That’s literally the whole point, but right now only in preview versions.
You know, if you use Linux you don’t have to jump through hoops like this (trivial though they may be). Wouldn’t it be nice to not have an adversarial, abusive relationship with your OS?
In that same Linux I had to rack my brain and still failed to launch the game I want.
You mean like that relationship?
Sure Linux has its own pros, but not what I need.
Or maybe the one that I had to reinstall every other month because it kept failing to boot (probably because I broke something because I had no clue what I was doing and trying to get stuff working).
Or maybe the one that I had to learn how rollback graphics drivers because I bought wrong brand of graphics card.
This doesn’t make any sense. Drivers only get loaded if a device matching the correct device ID is plugged in. So a wrong driver won’t, can’t, load. So why would you need to rollback?
If you don’t have the correct drivers, it’ll still work, just poorly. And from there you can get the correct ones.
Maybe wrong terminology? Or hopefully not an issue.
Nvida released a new driver. The driver crashed my Linux every time put on load. Had to uninstall with command line. Install old instead.
With the replays on how that common with Linux and how I should brought amd. I assumed was Common frustration with new nvidia.
Oh. Nvidia. Right.
I admit Nvidia software is horrible, mainly because it’s proprietary and refuses to be nicely integrated. I’m not surprised they broke it. If only they’d at least release full documentation and then we could write good drivers for them.
The nouveau drivers don’t break, and are free as in freedom, but they don’t support “reclocking” for any of the RTX cards, so they’re stuck running at a lower speed. I think the 10-series got support though so they should run fine under it.
AMD support is a lot better than proprietary Nvidia, but it has it’s own freedom pitfalls (functionally, it’s fine on most distros).
Nvidia drivers are definitely an outlier in GNU+Linux, most drivers are free and so they integrate very nicely with the rest of the system and don’t randomly break.
I used to think the same and sure there are still definitely games that won’t work, but gaming on Linux has come a loooong way. And with the recent bullshit that Microsoft is pulling with Windows 10 and especially 11 I just couldn’t take it anymore.
I just pulled the trigger last week and took out my Windows 10 drive! Ironically, league of legends broke on Linux again the next day. But I’m sticking with it. Windows is just so slow, bloated, and hard to navigate. And all my games run fine on Linux. LoL will probably be fixed again soon.
I’d say Linux not running League is a feature 🙂 come play StarCraft and micro more than one unit 😁
Or Dota.
Join us over at !dota2@lemmy.ml :)
If League is still broken by new years, I’ll learn DotA. It’ll be my new years resolution haha
Skill issue
Says linux elitist.
These people are another barrier on the road to Linux adoption. I personally had an issue with Void Linux, a systemd free distro whose manual is seriously lacking and lots of what is in Arch Wiki may not apply there. I went to their support server, detailed my problem and said that I had done what their manual said. The first response, I get is read the manual when it is just a page long(for the specific issue I was facing).
Ultimately, it was boiling down to a wrong flag attached to the command that was listed on the official website that was not solving my problem.
Support forums kind of suck all over. I’d imagine the systemd free distros are more elitest than the norm. Also jeeze, just meming on the internet, no need to “Those people” me sheesh.
Bruh, computers are tools to accomplish a task, if you wanna obsess over jack shit, then stare at the toilet, dont gatekeep a hobby.
Pick the tool without ads in your way then lol I’m not gatekeeping, simply saying get gud
Bruh, saying “get gud” to someone incapable of doing so doesn’t make you cool, it makes you an unempathetic asshole, and a bad software developer.
Whoa posting that comment made me a software developer?
If you need skills in order to use an OS, then that is a bad OS.
You don’t need skills to use GNU+Linux, in the same way you don’t need skills to use Windows.
It has different ways of doing things which needs to be learned, but that also applies the other way around. I’ve not touched Windows in years, and so it’d be quite an unfamiliar environment and I’d need to learn a new way to do things. That doesn’t mean it’s bad (it is, but for other reasons).
Tl;Dr just because you’re not familiar with something doesn’t make it bad or inferior
This is very true. There is a difference between being bad at using software, and software being bad. Linux just has an intrinsically bad desktop design.
Are you using Steam? What game isn’t compatible with Linux and/or requires significant user effort to run?
Doesn’t work with older videos cards.
I’ve spent countless hours playing a game called Romance of the Three Kingdoms XI with PUK, which comes with its own DRM (non-Steam). Despite its availability on Steam, I’m hesitant to buy it again for the same experience, especially since it doesn’t run on Linux.
Another game I enjoy, Dead by Daylight on Steam, consistently runs into issues such as severe memory leaks, unresponsive spacebar after alt-tabbing, random freezes, and occasional stutters no matter what troubleshooting I attempt.
Lastly, my wife and I frequently play Fall Guys. While it’s mostly audio-related, there are occasional random disconnects that never happen on Windows, which can be frustrating for a game meant for casual enjoyment
On Steam 60 000 games of the 70 000 are not compatible with Linux.
Honest question, what do you consider not compatible? I switched to Linux earlier this year and 100%'d Armored Core 6 (Verrrrry good game everyone should play it) and I’m currently playing through Cyberpunk 2077 + Baldur’s Gate 3 co-op with friends. If AAA games like these work pretty well I’d assume the vast majority of those 60k games work as well.
Linux not being able to launch a game (that probably was not made for it) is not a relationship issue but a technical one.
Even if it is possible to run the game but you need to hack around your distro’s configurations, you can be certain the default configuration was not made with the specific intent of preventing you from running the game.
In the Windows case you are not hacking around with the json file to solve a technical issue.
Windows is not misconfigured, it’s Microsoft’s explicit decision to prevent you from removing some of it’s software even if it’s forced by law to do so for other people.
It’s ok if you don’t mind Microsoft’s behavior or you just find Linux’s technical issues more important in choosing an OS. But the issues are not similar neither equivalent.
The whole point of computers, as far as I can tell, is to be that abusive relationship we never could perfect with humans. Linux is no exception, it’s just more passive-aggressive and better with gaslighting.
“You see, if only you’d installed this dependency, which I showed you so clearly in the error logs all along - and I categorised them so nicely - but you never like to look there, do you? - I mean, I understand, and that’s why I mentioned it - not too strongly, because I didn’t want to upset you more - in the terminal output…”
Most Linux developers don’t include anti-features on purpose, but Windows developers do.
I think dependencies have gotten simpler on Linux with flatpak. The fact that the command-line is still sometimes needed on Linux is just a fact of life. Nobody is forcing users to use it out of any sort of passive-aggressive distain for users, but just that it takes less time out of volunteer developers’ schedules to buold command-line tools.
I think one thing to note in the CLI-GUI debate though is that Windows pushed hard against CLI interfaces from day 1. Even starting with Windows 3, there were a lot of things you couldn’t do with CLI easily, while Unix has always had full CLI support. Users being unfamiliar with CLI interfaces is a symptom of Windows dominance.
I use command line by choice on Linux, but find myself forced to use PowerShell to make a windows installation that is somewhat bearable.
Or Windows dominance is a symptom of the average computer user struggling with a cli
I mean it’s so logical, I have real troubles figuring out why so many people don’t get it.
You can’t immediately see what options you have in a command line.
In a UI, you see the “menu” button right there.
If you have no idea about anything, in a UI, you can still click on the menu button, and are presented with more options.
In a command line, if you have absolutely no clue, what do you need to do? Honestly, you have to ask someone who knows (be it a friend, a manual, or web search). You can randomly start typing or press keys, but the chance to get to something useful is very low.
Why do people always assume GNU+Linux relies on a command line these days!? That’s like saying Windows does… I.e. it’s not true. Maybe if you go back to the Win9x and DOS days.
I swear, if you’re going to complain about possibly the only OS that fully respects users and their freedom, how about you actually use it first and understand it’s GUI mechanisms before spouting nonsense.
Windows is dominant because of extreme anti-competitive and other nasty practices in the past. The reason it’s still dominant is because it has locked itself into it’s dominant position since people are used to it (they still do many nasty practices today, as well)
I don’t think you’ve seen the number of power user articles these days that give you two options :
Lmao I forgot about the registry. I was never a Windows power user.
It’s was definitely one of those “seemed like a good idea at the time” kinda things, but now they’ve realised they’ve created a monster.
Yeah, I don’t mean from the devs - though part of the community can be a bit like that sometimes. But the computer itself…
I may have been anthropomorphizing, with a touch of experience-induced poetic imagination.
Package managers have become so much better with dependencies. It’s been a while since I’ve encountered an issue, with yay it very usually works out of the box.
My stint with Ubuntu… 16? Did not end well.
You realize that 16 means 2016, right? That’s almost 8 years ago. And even as someone who uses Linux I don’t like Ubuntu. I highly recommend trying Mint, Fedora, or EndeavourOS (Arch)
Agreed. Though I do have recent experiences of dependency troubles. I really should get better at reporting them to the proper channels, but by the time I’ve worked out how to fix, I usually don’t have the energy left… 😕
There’s a difference between feeling abused from intentional mistreatment and then there’s frustration from miscommunication or inadequacy from either partner.
It’s not Linux or Windows. For example Gaming and everyday Tasks I use Windows because Games I play run much better on Windows and I like to use it more. But for things like programming I will use Linux. I’m just beginning learning to code but I already made the painful experience of trying to get compiler, debugger etc. running on windows.
Linux and Windows are Tools. You can’t use a Hammer for every Taks, sometimes you need a Screwdriver.
Some tools are easy to repair but some tools detect if replaced parts are not from the manufacturer and refuse to work, or even require a subscription. You may say you really need a “screwdriver” but that doesn’t negate the criticism it requires being shoved up your fucking ass to work.
Bruh. In which Industry do you work? Don’t act like using Windows/Linux is causing you physical Pain.
I believe proprietary software gives unjust power to the creators/owners over the users and that most people being taken advantage of is detrimental to a free society.
Ableton Live and plugins don’t work on Linux, and I’d rather run it on my own build, so I have to use Windows. That’s also the machine I game on. Everything else is Debian.
You could try Bitwig. I have a friend that prefers it over Ableton even on Windows. And Windows-only VSTs work with Yabridge
Thanks for the Bitwig suggestion, I’ll look into it.
I’ve tried to set up multitrack recording a few times on Linux and regularly run into configuration issues. It is clearly not at parity with Windows. And even when one flavor of software does work, that’s not the same as someone’s chosen software working.
Some people have a workflow where they need to share stems and settings with collaborators or for mixing, which requires a specific program. And there’s still a fair amount of personal investment in learning the power features of a given DAW.
I’m using Linux as a daily driver and would like to see wider adoption. Unfortunately this is an area where I can’t recommend it.
And if you use Linux you have to jump through hoops to install (non-steam) games. I know, just yesterday I had to search a working tutorial for installing Fall Guys.
BTW for anyone needing help in the future, this worked: youtu.be/X41PlQNx0vk
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://piped.video/X41PlQNx0vk
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
This isn’t much of a hoop, you install wine and run the installer with it, furthermore, I’d rather deal with the kind of hoop that isn’t actively harming you intentionally any day.
It was not easy. Other guides didn’t work, I had to find it, and also do or, so it took like 1 and a half hour.
My advice is honestly, just use steam, it’s largely a better experience anyway. I don’t think fall guys is exactly necessary. That’s a very self-imposed hoop, i’d get it if it was critical work, or if there were no alternatives, but, steam is a perfect experience.
It’s epics job to support linux, not linux’s job to support epic.
You ignore the reality though that even though it might be “epics job” to support Linux, it’s still the user’s problem right now if you want to play Fall Guys with your friends.
And you can’t just say “playing Fall Guys is not exactly necessary”. Social connections are very important to humans, being one of a group to not be able to participate in a shared activity can be socially isolating. Of course that’s a completely different topic you could argue about if it should be like this, but you can only dismiss it as not necessary for yourself, not as not necessary in general, for others.
If you use Windows, it works immediately, if you use Linux, you have to spend the time and do whatever that guy did. This is a very real cost for the user, time is one of the most precious things we have.
Of course you can argue about if it is worth it, but in the end people assign different value to things. If playing Fall Guys is very important to someone and it takes more time to do on Linux than on Windows, then Linux loses value. And this situation is not a single instance. People mostly only do what is the best for them in particular, and using less time to do the things they want to do is a prime example for this.
Fall guys is not the only game, nearly all of steam works flawlessly. So meh, and it is epics job to fix that. Play any other game on steam, fall guys isn’t important at all for the vast vast majority of users.
You do realize how much money Microsoft spends to make games work well on Windows, right? It is absolutely the responsibility of the OS to ensure smooth experience across many apps and services. This attitude right here is why Linux plays second fiddle to Windows still.
and yet nearly everything on steam works flawlessly.
It is absolutely the job of app devs to support the platform, I have no idea why you would believe otherwise, and as far as gaming is concerned I genuinely believe the only place linux loses on steam is anticheat, which isn’t a matter of linux side support. Do you have an example?
Harming you intentionally… This is rich.
Do you actually believe windows doesn’t harm users intentionally? Wait until you hear how they spy on you.
Don’t care, I block it. Doesn’t mean it’s not superior to Linux for a gaming platform.
“I have to guard against my partner hitting me, doesn’t mean they’re not better at playing tennis”
Linux in a huge number of cases performs better than windows, and the only place where windows seems to win these days is anti-cheat, which is malware. Windows is certainly better when it comes to allowing users to install malware, but that’s really about it.
Any advanced user will face dozens of hoops a month on Linux
It’s never the simple things, nor the very difficult things. It’s small, niche workflows & use cases of your computer that you “sometimes” do, like, I don’t know, editing a PDF, installing shareX or an equivalent that can take a screenshot and upload it to imgur / run OCR on a part of your screen, running a Space Engineers server for your friends, running SSEEdit.exe to dump the contents of a potion overhaul mod in Skyrim and calculate which are the best ingredients to plant in your Skyrim greenhouse and garden for maximizing gold output.
No need to look up ways to do any of those, I’ll get different ones next week, and then more the week after.
You know, the millions of things that no one ever does except that guy in 2019 on StackExchange, but that you will have to do and then never again.
I face yearly hoops at most and I have supported many users, the vast majority of people have little to no trouble, and the cases you describe are either niche, one time setups, or bizarre things nearly nobody does.
I maintain that the vast majority of users will face fewer issues on linux than windows, these are all insanely edge cases.
It doesn’t matter that they are one time setups, the question is how many one time setups will you have to do in a year, year over year?
Same for “insanly edge cases” (editing a pdf, lol), the question is how likely are you to encounter an edge in your daily life?
When there’s a one-in-a-million chance to encounter a defect but there’s millions of them, it just becomes likely.
Turns out the world is made of a lot of edges for some advanced users.
Editing a pdf works perfectly, yes edge cases occur, but by definition they are not the norm, and edge cases would be resolved by more people using it anyway, and I can still easily recommend it for most people.
Anyone who makes a stand to defend Linux as a gaming platform over Windows is righteously impractical at best, and a principled idiot at worst. It’s simply not there yet.
As a user who bought FG on steam, I had ZERO issues whatsoever getting this to run on my Walmart laptop. This is an Epic issue. Fuck Epic. Ran Fall Guys into the ground before laying off basically all of its creative team. It’s just a grind now…
Some of you sound like the annoying stereotype of vegans pushing their diet lifestyle.
That’s because like vegans, there is a moral imperative that most ignore or don’t care about, we have a genuine emotional attachment to foss, and because you are ignorant of the topic, you don’t care to listen.
What he said is harmless, true, and there is a moral imperative to say it, and ontop of that it isn’t like a diet, it’s better software that respects you, doesn’t spy on you, and for free and the only downside is a 15 minute install process (and the use of a flash drive). Why do you care enough to fight that?
If linux was a better software, it would have a substantial desktop share. But it doesn’t since it’s the most unintuitive userhating software built by man.
Because as we all know, the free market always comes up with the correct answer and is never distorted by companies.
I’ve never seen any OS being shilled like linux, it even beats apple fanboys during its heyday. A free OS that’s constantly pushed down our throats should by all means be a consumers number 1 choice if it was good.
But I guess having to learn 5 million commands to open a folder is bad design, who knew? I have better use for my time than debug drivers and figure out dependencies when W10 sort of works all that out for me in an intuitive fashion.
Thanks for showing that you’re not acting in good faith, bye.
You know exactly what I mean though. I just think you can’t bear to come up with a lie explaining how “sudo fifo 8 6 j u77f6j 87” is good design.
Are you just typing random letters? Terminal commands are basically programs, like word. There's thousands of them, just like there's thousands of programs on windows. And yeah, these programs, or terminal commands can get quirky, but they are also very powerful.
Luckily for you, modern distributions work perfectly fine without ever touching the terminal, so you should be fine if you prefer gui programs.
Just a reminder for everyone reading this, the comment above is written without an /s.
Just let that sink in for a moment.
It’s sinked in.
I agree with the comment above. Have you ever used any modern distro?
I was dualbooting ubuntu around 10 years ago until I figured everything it could do I could do easier on windows.
Even Ubuntu in 2006 had a file explorer.
Did you reply to the wrong comment? I was saying there is nothing I couldn’t do in linux that wasn’t easier in windows. And there were (and still are) plenty of things you can only do on windows.
If you want to use the worse OS to fulfill some psychological complex, go ahead mate but this techveganism is just dull and old.
i find there are lots of things i can’t do well on windows, but it might be because my knowledge started to stagnate about 20 years ago. for instance, pathing all my executables. i know it sounds niche but hear me out: i still write shell scripts basically every day. so if i need to call, say, inkscape to convert an svg to pdf, i find it’s easier in debian, since the inkscape executable is already in my path. and i create scripts all teh time and just stock em in my path. i use windows at work, and i find the whole notion of writing shell scripts for it daunting, not least because i need to track down the exact location of each executable.
You were saying that you had to memorize commands just to open a folder.
Plus, in my experience, everything was about the same if not easier on EndeavourOS.
If you think you need to learn commands to open a folder you didn’t use Linux for the past 20 years. Most things are done now via a graphical environment such as Plasma or GNOME. It’s the more advanced things such as managing system services that are done via a terminal. But normal user really doesn’t have to do these kind of things for normal desktop use.
mkdir directory_nameThis comment too was posted without an /s. Insane how furries think that is a normal thing to do to use your pc
It’s not normal either… you just use the file manager. It doesn’t even open the folder. Just ignore them.
Also, did you just call us furries without a /s?
Not all linuxusers are furries but all furries are linuxusers.
This comment too was posted without a /s.
ls path/to/directory/I’m all for Linux and have been using it for years, but saying a 15min install is the only downside is disingenuous. For many people there are a few programs they rely on that won’t work on Linux, and hardware support and general user-friendliness are still not quite where they should be.
the vast majority of hardware is supported, and as someone who works IT and gives linux to the elderly, I don’t agree at all with the user unfriendliness, provided you use mint and kde.
If your software doesn’t run that does suck, but the vast majority of usecases work perfectly with the breif explanation of “use the app store for any software you need to install.” Do you have any examples of user friendliness issues, or is it just that there are choices to make at all?
“The vast majority” is useless if the hardware someone has doesn’t work, and you usually don’t get official support and warranty from the manufacturer for Linux. There are also some categories like webcams, audio equipment or fingerprint readers where Linux support is still notoriously bad. And even if something mostly works, it’s fairly common for some hardware to have missing features, instabilities or minor issues on Linux. E.g. my mouse works on Linux ofc, but the software to set and edit profiles doesn’t.
Usability issues are mostly cases where you have to fall back to the terminal. An example from my experience would be that trying to upgrade the system from the app store fails half the time, so I have to use the terminal. Another would be a failed boot or graphics issues due to a broken Nvidia driver installation or messed up SELinux policies. It’s all fixable in the terminal, but good luck if you can’t use that.
I would not agree that is common at all, these are edge cases and I bet your mouse works with piper.
plus soon immutable distros will fix any chance of system breakages, and it’s not like similar things don’t regularly happen on windows.
How much are you willing to bet? I give a hint, there is an open issue from 2016 on their GitHub about supporting the manufacturer of my mouse. And that’s pretty much the point, because on Windows I just get the software with the box and that’s it. Of course it’s closed source and stuff, but it still provides a better experience than no support at all. And that’s just one example, Linux also can’t use the highest available resolution of my webcam, and the fingerprint reader on my laptop has been completely unusable on Linux from day one.
Immutable distros fix most boot issues, in the sense that you can undo a failed change, but that’s about it.
Ofc Windows has its fair share of issues, but it just doesn’t break as much in my experience. Probably because they have orders of magnitude more people working on finding and fixing consumer issues, incl. from 3rd party device and software manufacturers.
I’m sorry, but you’re lying to yourself if you think consumer support is on par with Windows. It’s getting closer and closer every year, but we are not there yet.
You can not agree with OP, but that doesn’t change reality. Linux is a pain to use for a regular user. Linux doesn’t support some programs that people depend on and have learned to use. Those things aren’t an issue for Windows, people don’t need to look around for fixes.
I get it, you like it. But the reality of it is - it’s a niche operating system for home use for a reason.
Demonstrably false.
Weird that Linux can’t run some applications written specifically for Windows. It’s a nitpick, but your sentence should be “some programs don’t support Linux”, because the issue isn’t with the OS, it’s with the developers of the software.
In any case, outside of some specific examples, most Windows software actually does work on Linux thanks to Wine and Proton.
Maybe not, but they need to look around for fixes to dozens of other issues that shouldn’t exist. Like getting rid of ads in your OS.
Who gives a shit what’s the reason a critical program isn’t running on linux? It doesn’t work. That’s what counts to me, a user of this program. I won’t switch to linux as long as the things I need don’t work there. I won’t learn alternatives simply to be able to say “I use linux”. A lot of people share that sentiment, since for them, the OS they are using is a tool, not a way of life.
Perfectly fine, but it doesn’t discount what I said before.
You’re right about this also. I want my OS to work for me and I want to not have to fight against the OS to get things done. For me that’s Linux. When I used to use Windows regularly it was nothing but annoyance and hindrances.
I don’t agree that it’s a pain for the regular user, I think it’s a pain if you use niche software, or software that’s designed to not run on linux intentionally.
Outside of that, it works perfectly fine. The vast VAST majority of users will not miss any software.
I’ve dealt with enough regular uses to know that no, it’s not good for regular users. But you do you - I know that it isn’t ready.
I’ve done the same, I don’t think windows is ready for normal users.
edit: I meant to say this to the one you replied to!
I agree with you. Plus, most of us are forced to use Windows 11 at work, where we spend most of our screen time.
Maybe I can bother with Linux at home, but that’s a fraction of the use case here.
Honestly true. At the very most you have to make certain switches to some software. For elderly people these switches are pretty minor since often they aren’t needing something like industry software for their work and at most will need to switch to like… LibreOffice, OnlyOffice or something of the sort. Not hard. For people in a job that may need design software like any Adobe product, there are Plenty of alternatives that work pretty well. Main thing is just spending a few days to get used to it and learning the differences. Only big thing I’d say that would be very hard to switch to Linux is if you make Music. Because if you use FL Studio, the closest alternative is LMMS… and it sorta sucks and at times is very uncomfortable to work with. You’d probably have to switch to Ardour or Reaper which would be a pretty massive change… Overall though, those account for a small number of people.
I agree with you. Plus, most of us are forced to use Windows 11 at work, where we spend most of our screen time.
Maybe I can bother with Linux at home, but that’s a fraction of the use case here.
In fact, installation is one of the easiest parts unless you use vanilla arch
Just fuck off and let me use whatever OS I want
Nobody has forced you to do anything, suggesting better, more respectful software is not force, why bother fighting against a more ethical alternative that respects you?
You’re free to choose and they’re free to criticise.
<img alt="famous picture of the plane getting shot that illustrates survivorship bias" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Survivorship-bias.svg">
Also, vegans actually do something good for the planet instead of just choosing a different OS for their PC. So, maybe acknowledge that to your neighborly vegan next time, instead of telling them a story about how you once met someone who was really pushy about veganism.
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Tbf yes. They do something good for the planet. But I wouldn’t say choosing a different OS isn’t good for the planet either. First, you aren’t supporting companies that will burn this planet down without a second thought for a few million dollars. Secondly there are a few things on Linux made to use less electricity than Windows AND the fact it can run on older computers just fine means that there is less of a need for constantly upgrading this creating less computer waste. (Which something I and many others advocate for and a very solid reason to use Linux) but also merely for the fact that it is by far more ethical in a multitude of ways…
What the heck is that image
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias
“Why do gay people always act flamboyant?”
“Why do vegans always push their lifestyle?”
Because you don’t see the ones that don’t
Yes, should escape from using Windows if can. But this is just news, why automatically there must be a comment like that?
Listen, I probably one of the most hardcore linux propagandists out there, which spells disaster when I confess I’m anything but a tech guru, but even I am aware some people are too off the deep end to swim back and move to another OS.
Windows is locked in a dominant position and regardless how bad their solutions are in fact, not enough tech/privacy aware high level managers exist to push windows off the corporate shelf.
The alternative is to spread Linux and FOSS to kids and incentivize the use and exploring of technology because it is simply fun to do it, not shotgun proseletize and hope something sticks.
Your intention is good but the method, which I often use as well, needs a lot of refining.
Yeah, let me know when Revit, Civil 3D, ArcGIS, OpenRoads Designer are operable and supported on Linux.
It took me embarrassingly long to figure out how to read the title correctly. Like, you need a json file to enable Edge and Bing??
No, you need a JSON file if you’re not in the EU but still want to be able to disable the integrated crap
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Even MS themselves don’t want to deal with it anymore. Can’t blame them
Is the registry actually being phased out?
Of course not, we need to be able to store the huge amount of detailed settings in a OS somewhere.
in a registry though? maybe the registry in windows is so hard to work with and automate that it is the reason that Linux took all of windows market share for computers that do work (everything but desktops)
You don’t have to use it, there’s app data folders now.
??? Ms never had a large server market share. Linux took over unix in the server market.
Linux does with .conf files and directories which is kinda the same thing.
GNOME has their own version of a registry, unfortunately.
dconf enters the chat
dconf is way easier than Windows Registry though. I’ve only ever had to touch it to enable pre-release settings.
I hate dconf too
/etc
Or Group Policy Editor?
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Thanks Jason
Press X to JSON.
“JSON! JSON?! … JSOOON! JSON!?”
Honest to god, EU regulators feel like the last bastion of sanity left.
Like anything else, some times right, some times wrong.
This is a great “right” moment.
I dread the next “wrong” one.
Just saying “sometimes right, sometimes wrong” is such an oversimplification that it’s meaningless.
Yes, almost all real world systems have variable outcomes, that doesn’t mean that are some aren’t better than others or on average produce better outcomes or ones that drive us in the right direction.
I.e. a system of strong regulators with clear and strong checks and balances (courts and parliament itself), is a far better system than one where corporations are just allowed to operate freely and implement whatever policies they want the instant they have the market power to do so.
My statement was not a critique but just an atempt to make a light remark.
I am fully aware the other option would be living in three ring circus, like the UK is turning into.
Lighten up. Smile.
Until they ban encryption…
Well the parties in question are trying this for almost a decade. Mostly the “conservative” party from Germany wants total surveillance. In my eyes they are more right than Conservative
The same people that want VDS, despite multiple consecutive judgments up to EUGH level against it?
Politics is complicated. The CDU is trying to enable spying on citizens for years. Which doesn’t mean people in the EU from Germany must share this idea.
Germany is one of the countries against the current chat surveillance proposal, so at least we have that going for us (which is nice)
I’m not sure what is chat surveillance protocol but whatever would be the result any benifits will probably only apply to EU citizens. I recently heard of how Russia’s biggest XMPP server was MitM’ed, it was hosted in Hetzner
It feels like everyone wants to eavesdrop on everyone else, preferably, or at least on everyone who’s not proteted by the local law. Still the US is a worse case of the spying on everything alive, I guess
So, Stasi party?
Not necessarily the same people that advocate for the different ideas.
They want to ban encryption? Let me guess, is it for the “safety” of children?
Yes, but it failed the latest vote.
Not saying someone won’t try again.
Gotta keep children “safe”… In reality that just means making it easier to watch over the adults taking care of said children :P Lol. Begone Privacy!!
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Not if encrypted traffic with no state-sanctioned backdoor is forbidden.
Until any country ban encryption. Looking at you, USA.
I thought it was tanked after the real sponsors was found out
Who the real sponsor was? Maybe I can read the whole story somewhere?
Lots of stupid stuff gets proposed by members too, but generally it does not pass or gets vetoed by someone.
There is an old video of people larping in a public park. One guy is pulling bean bags out of a little pouch on his side and throwing them at the person he is battling. With each throw he screams “lightning bolt!!!”. Your username reads like three of his lightning bolt attacks.
The way Windows buil-in text editor colors and formats JSON files in 2023…
I refuse to believe anyone ever opens microsoft notepad on purpose.
Depending on the system you’re on it can be all you have. It’s like Microsoft’s vi, just so much worse
I use it as a temporary text storage since my browser search bar copy and paste stopped working
Best plain txt viewer
I disagree that that’s much of a problem. Notepad’s just a low footprint plaintext editor, period. It’s good enough for what it does. If you want something more advanced (with more footprint and start time), just use <insert editor here>. I never saw anyone hating on echo and cat…
It’s annoying that this is all the way at the bottom of the article. Good to know I can do all this, glad I didn’t attempt to change any of this now, because it’s pointless until these updates hit stable
came here to complain about this. BTW, found a more complicated way to remove edge on Tom’s. makes linux howtos look preschool
At this point it’s literally just easier to use any Linux distro
No. Not really. But it’s fun to toss that out there, isn’t it.
Eh, I switched last year and it’s really not that different.
I’d assume it’s actually easier now by comparison seeing how Windows has kept shoving in ads
Good for you. You represent the entire computer user base, then?
Now tell the millions of people that don’t want to screw around with different distros, broken repositories, software that doesn’t work on Linux, proprietary drivers, etc. etc.
I like Linux a lot, but don’t make it something it isn’t. But this is Lemmy, so yay Linux.
I don’t know what half of that is, and frankly I don’t care lol
Obviously.
This whole platform is just Linux and Trump I swear
And communism.
Socialism, but yeah. That’s the decent side of the platform
They’re the same thing for most people on here, and it’s based
The term based is so debased by it’s overuse.
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I adore Linux but it is not able to do everything I need for my job. I hate my dependence on Windows, but this is the real world.
My media server runs on Ubuntu, and I’d have it no other way
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Isn’t that a benefit of Linux, having all kinds of different distros and different options available? There isn’t a “one size fits all”. Just find the one you like and go from there.
How often does this actually happen? I can’t think of a time I encountered broken repositories within the last few years of using Linux as a daily driver, I feel like you’re exaggerating this. I think the repository system in general is amazing and installing software on Linux is so much better than Windows in about every way really.
This is a fair point, it depends on your use case. If anything you need is only tied to Windows, then yeah you don’t have many options unfortunately. But I think for average people its probably fine since basically everything is on Linux nowadays, I guess biggest exceptions are like Microsoft Office and Adobe’s suite.
I assume you mean NVIDIA? You can just get a distro that includes them already installed and ready to go like Nobara, or just use one that makes them easier to set-up like Pop OS, if you’re uncomfortable installing them on a regular distro. (Though it really isn’t that difficult).
Overall Linux isn’t for everyone, but I do think it’s improving more and more and about at a point now where average users could probably get away with using it instead of Windows in a lot of cases. But it does depend on your use case for sure at the end of the day. Hopefully I’m not out of touch here though lol.
Computers are like cars. People want a car that goes from a to b, like every other car, with no fuss. If you’re really going crazy maybe you look for a manual transmission. They don’t want to mess with computers. They don’t want to know what’s under the hood. They don’t want to have to understand how the CVT works, or how to update a broken repository link via command line. That’s 99.5 of people.
How often do broken repositories happen? Often enough. Biggest reason would be not updating systems and the old repository closed. “BuT WhY wOuLd AnyOnE NoT UpDAtE!!?!” You might ask? Because updating breaks shit. I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve had a distro set up exactly how I want, apt-get, now my gnome desktop isn’t working. Or Wine doesn’t work. Or whatever.
Only thing you use is tied to windows… See, that’s the thing. You just tossed that out there like all the windows software has a direct and equally capable equivalent on Linux. That’s not true, and I refer back to my car analogy that 99.5% of people don’t want to screw around with trying to sort out workarounds.
As far as drivers go it’s not just NVIDIA, but everything from touchpads to Bluetooth to fingerprint ID unlocks don’t all have Linux drivers. I actually find NVIDIA to be fairly well supported and haven’t had too much difficulty with it since Steam and gamers have decided that maybe Linux isn’t so bad and have made a lot of effort to keep things updated and compatible.
Out of touch… maybe. Take a trip through the Ubuntu forums some time. Probably the most popular and relatively easy distro to use. There are a ton of posts that just don’t get answers, where people just give up, or have multiple command line entries suggested that deal with everything from permissions, different command modifiers, and extremely basic stuff that doesn’t work like config or make. Again, think about that 99.5% that simply doesn’t want to deal with that shit, much less open a terminal window. They probably don’t even know how to open an admin level CMD window on Windows or even the task manager. Think how computer illiterate most people are where even changing a setting in their cellphone is too much trouble.
Look, we could discuss this all day. One of my chief complaints about the Linux crowd is that they just toss out that everyone should switch while completely ignoring the qualifications of the user base they’re asking to switch and putting that up against the thousands of choices and ways to break Linux that exist. That’s why people like Apple products. They’re hard to break by messing around with settings because Apple won’t let you do anything with the OS. You can still break windows, not as easily as one could before, and linux still breaks itself whether you like it or not.
This is why I use ArchI used to recommend Apple over Arch too for the exact reason, but then Wine and Proton drastically improved, especially GE. The only app I use that I can’t get to work or find a very good alternative for on EndeavourOS is
Roblox
(and my fingerprint driver, like you mentioned)
though I don’t speak for all industries of course.
My repositories have never broke for me, thanks to Arch, probably. If you’re really that worried about updates, you should probably use one of these
dirtyfixed-release LTS distros.I also have no idea how the kernel works.
I just installed Ubuntu (the more mainstream ofnlinux distros) to replace my windows OS. I was greeted by a cryptic error. After a quick search for some tecno bable, i had to start on safe mode and install the video drivers.
Do you think a “regular user” would be able to do this?
Don’t use Ubuntu desktop, it’s really buggy and full of snaps. Please try Pop OS and you will come back and say how smooth it is, and how you loved it.
Yeah, i belive you (despite the ltt fiasco), but to say that any distro is ready for the average person is just wrong. Thats just my point
Would an average person install Windows on their machine?
Is your video card Nvidia by curiosity?
Yes, thats was the issue. I know about the proprietary drivers and the typical NVIDIA bullshit.
I’m amazed it took to the second comment to mention Linux.
Suuure, let me know when Revit, Civil 3D, ArcGIS, OpenRoads Designer are operable and supported on Linux.
Not many users need those.
I have 800 users at my work that would say otherwise. Those are software that the entire civil engineering, geospatial, and architectural world rely on to make infrastructure. So, I’d say many users need those.
Yes but it’s relative. I have 800 users right here that doesn’t use any of that stuff. Just saying it’s not really a block for 99% of users because all they do is surf the web and play games.
Over a hundred million people use Autodesk products; Bentley systems is around the same size. Entire essential industries are built on these software. Pinning that all on 1% is disingenuous.
My overall point is that until Linux or the software developers do something about the incompatibility/nonsupport, Windows is here to stay. Some of us have no choice.
Does Wine not work for those tools?
Exactly what I was wondering. I main Linux since 2019. A buddy of mine sent me a unity demo game that he made ( basically a hello world ). I just did
wine hello-world.exeand it ran just fine ( auto downloaded .net runtimes and everything ).I don’t expect everything to run flawlessly, but wine has come a long way. Especially with valve support and investment into proton for gaming.
When you’re working on enterprise level stuff, it can be difficult to run any software that you want. There are layers upon layers of accountability that are needed for legal purposes.
Good luck getting support for commercial software if you’re running it under wine.
Oh I didn’t realize that wine was so bad at supporting Windows applications. I’m not a frequent user of it so I just knew it as a “replacement” for windows apps.
It’s not that wine is bad at supporting Windows applications necessarily. If you (or your company) buys software that supports some versions of Windows and you open a support ticket with some issue running in Linux under wine, that’s a ticket that will likely be closed fast as an unsupported configuration.
A professional environment will certainly have requirements that differ from the common people.
Yep. From my point of view, it would be nice to at least have to option to switch users over. Tired of Microsoft’s shit.
Every person with a job needs some kind of app which doesn’t work on Linux. If you’re a teen still studying in school, then yeah, use Linux.
I use Windows at work (it is a corporate laptop) but I don’t use a single app which is Windows-only and irreplaceable. My current job isn’t technology-focused, and I don’t really use anything except standard office-related software.
In my previous job I was a software engineer and also used Windows (same reason; corporate laptop) but again everything I used would have worked in Linux.
People should use whatever platform works best for them. I’m a Linux user at heart, but I’m all for using Windows if that’s the right tool for the job. But it’s not a “grown ups need Windows only teenagers can use Linux” thing. Most working people would do fine with Linux or Mac.
The future is now old man.
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Looks like the other three aren’t natively supported though.
A bunch of our civil engs happily use qGIS.
I’ve noticed Ala lot of the features on ArcGIS actually originate from qGIS after having built some mapping tools.
Ah, I didn’t know that about ArcGIS!
Still, the others are arguably more important to the civil industry as a whole. I personally don’t believe Autodesk or Bentley will ever support Linux, so us civil folks are stuck.
I knoooooooow. I know arcgis is working on it at least. I’m a geologist, a ton of our geospatial programs require windows.
But I’m about ready to experiment with a dual joot for my home set up! I really never need windows for that anymore
Postgis and Qgis don’t require windows. ArcGIS is such bloat ware. They live by the cult following rather than merit.
I mean yeah, same with adobe and loads of other enterprise software suites. Unfortunately, most of us have no way of convincing our enterprise to move off of their shitty suite. I personally use open his for as much as possible, but professionally I’m stuck with what my work makes me use.
How did you get arc working on Linux?
See @applebusch@lemmy. world’s comment in this same chain.
Portal isn’t ArcPro :s
Only these? What about league of legends, valorant and Visual Studio?
These systems are critical to serving ads/propaganda. This is a dark day for the free world
I’m just a simple girl with simple desires.
Just install Linux already. Have any inevitable windows requirements? Run them in a VM until you can get rid of them. Fuck Microsoft and their bullshit
I dunno man, I recently put Mint onto my Lenovo and… the refinement just isn’t there STILL. dual monitor management isn’t very good, even mouse acceleration doesn’t play well when you go from the touchpad to an external mouse. Sure, many things have improved, but the fit and finish just isn’t even where windows was a decade ago…
Try bodhi the advanced hw version.
Is it not good or is it different from your habitz? Haven’t had issues with those points on my Linuxes.
We’re you on Xorg? I think Mint still is by default?
Recommend trying Fedora proper (with Gnome).
Everything works perfectly except HDR (next release).
Even multi monitor and hidpi. It’s polished and cohesive in its design. And if you want the windows 7 look you can use the dash to panel extension.
I have dual monitors with different scaling and refresh rates, both work perfectly. Even VRR works as expected. I’m using Manjaro KDE with Wayland, Intel CPU, AMD GPU.
Linux Mint hasn’t finished their work on Wayland and thus, the things you are experiencing are unfortunately expected. So you might want to try with another distro with GNOME or KDE.
When people suggested you Mint, they were wrong in ignoring your setup.
That’s another issue with Linux: one thing works in distro X and another thing works in distro Y. OS should just work. Linux doesn’t.
Linux works. It’s only a Kernel.
Android is also a linux distro. To you, it might seem as another OS. So from that point of view, each distro would be a dIfferent OS. So you should judge each distro as such.
So, what people told you Linux is, in fact that Kernel on top of a ton other software.
You can’t expect all distros to be the same. Because their purposes are different.
That’s not what people mean when saying “switch to Linux”.
They mean a Linux based OS, and say Linux for short. They could also say GNU/Linux, but chose not to. I do it every single time, but its for convenience, but technically imprecise.
When we are talking about distributions being different, that’s their whole purpose, since their only common denominator is the underlying kernel.
You’re just moving the conversion sideways. If you have nothing to say on the topic - move on.
I feel the same way when I am forced to use Windows, it feels so primitive and in-the-way but I guess people get used to what they use.
The person you replied to provided real-world and relatable examples. What do you have other than durr linux good windows bad?
I didn’t say Linux was good and Windows was bad. I was commenting on how one gets used to what they use regardless of what it is and implying that this effect might be the cause of their negative feelings rather than their implicit claim of Linux being a decade behind.
But just for an example or two, I like privacy, I like options, I don’t like ads, I don’t like MS coercing me to update to their newest, most restrictive, least private, most profitable OS version. I don’t like them coercing me to use their browser. I don’t like the feeling I get using software from a company known for anti-competitive behavior. A bunch more stuff like that really.
But tbh, I don’t have many Windows usage gripes as I’ve been able to avoid it most of my life. Why put up with all the other issues to use something that might be better in some cases unless forced to.
Try Fedora with KDE.
In my opinion it’s the best one for having the most ease-of-use hardware support out of the box, as they’re backed by IBM, which used to own Lenovo.
I will never install Linux because I’ll never trust that it’ll be easier to use than windows, and that’s all I want.
I can’t count the number of people that have told me I should be on Linux and that if I use Mint it’ll be a piece of perfect cake, despite me also seeing comments like this on a pretty regular basis.
Why is it that so much of the community REFUSES to acknowledge any shortcomings? Almost like it’s their child and you’re personally attacking their parenting by suggesting its not flawlessly simple.
You know what, you’re absolutely right. I’m pretty steeped into the whole linux thing, but it really isn’t going to win any prizes for usability. If I need shit to work, I’ll boot into my windows partition. When I’m up for some tinkering fun, my GRUB defaults to Tumbleweed. It is not for everyone, despite what some neckbeards or snobs would lead people to believe.
Installed Mint. I needed quite a lot of work to make for example IDE configured CORRECTLY. (VSCodium on flatpak is a pain in the ass, don’t recommend). But aside of that, after small tweaks and customizations and I like it. I’ll make a point that I kad previous experience with Linux (PopOS/Mint/Ubuntu), although not a positive one. Now I’m seeing that being here is vastly better than windows, and ofc more concise. The backup system is nice, allows you to revert for example an update (which was important for my case cuz after major system update, fingerprint authentication on login screen was borked, and needed reinstall). Overall nice experience. It’s not perfect, but nothing is.
Running Visual Studio in a VM? No thanks, it is heavy enough as it is. And don’t say use VS Code or Rider. Saying “Just use some other software, so you can use Linux” defeats the entire argument that Linux can be used in place of Windows.
Discord with virtual backgrounds for video calls? Yeah that’s not supported on Linux.
I mean, you should be using Rider anyways.
If you’ve got two video cards, which is pretty much the case for anyone with an Intel cpu, then gpu pass through solves many problems. I really only use a Win10 VM for games and Adobe software plus one piece of work software. I think whether your overall point is valid or not depends on what you need Linux for and how much you still depend on Windows apps. To be honest the nicest piece of software available on Windows and not other apps is Nvidia Broadcast. You could use OBS to get your blurred background on Discord but that’s really too much work.
Anti-cheat is still a major issue. Even in a VM with GPU pass-through, anti-cheat will still prevent some popular games from running.
Nothing works under Linux. And the list just just keeps growing.
As an artist, the hassle of running a VM can actually kill creative flow. Same with alternatives.
People underestimate how much such a tiny can completely disrupt flow of thoughts, esp for creative works.
It’s not even laziness either. It just “feels wrong”
Sweet, even less garbage to clutter up the ol gaming rig.
Maybe one day game devs will enable anticheat on Linux so I can finally uninstall the shit OS.
EasyAntiCheat is already there.
I think whatever Valorant has is the main issue. Back 4 Blood also doesn’t work for some reason, nor does it work in a Windows VM.
Microsoft and Apple pervasively install thier entire platform in their Operating Systems so you can’t just have what you need to have on one of their computers, you have the buy the whole platform.
The Linux Eco-system is valued at $100 Billion, has nearly 40 million LoC, and is now Global Mega-Corp Consortium Funded. Link to Linux Foundation Financial Report 2022, “Read The Report”, Page 13.
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If we are headed for a global AI monolith or Bladerunner type future, it will surely run on Linux! It’s everywhere and Linux will never again be steered by the community.
Instead use and help make successful any Indie Operating System like Haiku, Aero, or Minix3 instead of literally working as the tinniest cog ever for a Global Mega-Corp Consortium.
You can also just use GhostBSD which is a superb Desktop BSD experience based off of stable FreeBSD that installs and works like Mint. Control your own kernel and everything about your BSD with NetBSD. Now is a great time to get into BSD with NetBSD 10 RC1. Learn it now and you’ll have an OS that when released does only what you want it to do.
Finally there is the fastest BSD, Dragonfly. I made a Dragonfly BSD setup script that will turn a $250 2019 Thinkpad T495 into a lightning fast programmer workstation that does only what you want it to, and hardened. It never even makes one call out to the internet unless you typed the command in or allowed it beforehand.
If you insist on using Linux, then use a distro with an independent kernel that let’s them know you would not like the Linux kernel which has been badly managed by the Dictator Linus, globally taken over.
Can’t any point in Linux just be forked? So if it becomes like Microsoft’s products someone can just fork the preferred version and run from there no?
It kinda already is a Microsoft project by Finance and each of them integrating the other’s systems more and more. Also, the highly paid world programmers are putting non-free blobs and highly complex code into Linux and at 40 million LoC, I propose it will soon be beyond the community to run a coherent fork without all the global code.
Linux is a kernel. The distribution is what actually matters.
Plus, I am not a fan of deciding whether to use something based on who funds them.
You have it backwards. The kernel is Linux. A distribution is added to the kernel. The kernel is what matters, the distribution is consequent and relies on the kernel which dictates all it’s functions. The distribution is flavor on top of foundation. 101.
All investment of time, money, resources, everything, should be ethical choices, ethical investing. Deciding to ignore who funds what makes you vulnerable to accept tainted diamonds, Cartel funded dispensaries, restaurants, and Policians, etc, etc. You should be wary of who you make rich, who you compensate, who you give your money to.
Ignorance of money and the resources it drives that determine the fate of people everywhere is simply ignorance and your viewpoint should not be rewarded.
You have it backwards. The kernel is essential to an operating system, but all it does is the basics: process system calls, manage processes, get you virtual files... Essentially, a kernel is just the programming language and its runtime for everything you build in an operating system. Distributions are ran on top on the runtime, and the distribution is what's important in whether the user's liberties are respected or not. A programming language cannot compromise your liberties.
As long as something's funds doesn't change its features enough to obstruct the users, any kind of funding is fine. So far, obstructions have not happened to the Linux kernel.
As a decades experienced security professional myself I can tell you that people reading are not taking what you say seriously so I don’t have to respond and tediously break apart that swath of misinformation.
Minus points for parroting me.
What exactly are you criticizing about linux? That it got (too) successful? That it is run in its current form by Linus Torvalds at the top as a sort of benevolent dictator? That it is taking money from sponsors?
Genuinely curious, this is a first time I’ve seen such criticism. More often I see linux people in endless flamewars about DEs, wayland vs X, package managers or whatever they feel strongly about and I’m not interested in those.
I’m honestly surprised that I’m going to say this, as I have not used this term and over a decade, but there’s a lot of FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) going on in the comments on this topic, trying to shape a certain narrative.
None of these settings should be controlled by Microsoft. It’s my computer, Satya.
That seems like standard options why would they be disabled?