Very good Joshua

How about a nice game of Chess?

I just lost The Game

And all things Meta.

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I genuinely tried to leave but lots of communities didn’t leave Reddit and therefore had to stick to Reddit. I did with RRSS-feed and avoided their app.

Recently figured out we can Sideload Apollo app with almost all functions available. So did that.

Thankfully never used twitter! I read valuation dropped from 44B to 9,4B recently.

I left Reddit 6 months ago when I was permabanned for asking a question about what is forbidden. They can kiss my ass. And I hope they go broke.

Like what the hell are they even protesting about now? What is left to protest about? And why? Just go.

No, because then they’ll all flood here. Then I’ll have to consult with 9,006 different rules between each sub, while subsequently making sure I’m bending to each power-mods weird and unwritten agenda.

No I’m good with reddit. I encourage reddit. And I encourage all the weirdos to use reddit!

If you’re still posting on Reddit or Twitter, and it’s not for a niche community, please don’t come here.

The hold outs for these sites are so fucking dumb. They act like social media is somehow an important part of their existence when just 10, 20 years ago it was an emerging technology. These early iterations of social media are toxic as fuck. YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, etc. They don’t deserve your patronage and are taking your goodwill and turning it into social decay.

10-20 years and you people can’t give it up for something better. There is no argument. You don’t owe them loyalty. They aren’t innovating. They have contributed to the rise of authoritarianism.

Yeesh.

People still use AOL internet. I expect Reddit and twitter to die sometime in the 2050s.

A lot of it is just propaganda bots at this point.

I don’t know, I feel during that exodus we got the best of the best. I miss some of the niche communities, But there’s so many fewer assholes over here.

There are a lot of subreddits for which there is no real replacement. Sometimes the strength in a community is the people. Doesn’t matter if reddit sucks if the people are there.

I believe you missed the point. There’s people there because they know that their content won’t be found elsewhere.

Those still on are a bunch of bootlickers IMO

I have to imagine that when some c-level suit saw that term in his moth-eaten copy of “Social Media for Dummies,” I don’t think it was intended to be taken quite so flagrantly visibly literally…

This isn’t limited to the Reddit app. You can see it on the desktop and mobile website too.

So that’s what happened?! I rarely come here, but last weekend was so bad that I started updating my subscribed communities here.

I thought I interacted with too many downvoted posts, and screwed up what reddit thought were my main interests. Guess I was expecting too much from reddit…

Most mods are corporate stooges anyways

You also have some newer mods who are controlling the narrative for profit.

said a lemmy commenting on reddit subreddit on the fediverse hehe

Roll it up

The guy who admin my lemmy instance is also the mod of r/Brasil and he and the Brazilian mod team worked a lot to avoid the subreddit to become an alt-right shithole like the rest of country subreddits (the losers from the alt-right national subreddit even had to pay for reddit ads to try to funnel user there).

That was clear from the article as well, where they said they took the opinion of 150 bootlickers moderators

So long as we’re being blunt, this criticism can be levied at Lemmy too. There is less accountability here and your only option is to ‘find a similar federated community’ because nobody seems to want any kind of accountability or standards in the mods. Well, you have basically 2 major communities and both of them are equally stupid but in opposite directions. Viable option indeed.

I agree. Especially with how some moderators talk down to users, they sure licked those boots stomping on them to not lose their reddit powers.

Looking at you, r/de who’s “protest” was to “allow memes” for a week.

There is no chance in hell any of these cowards would stand up for their community. The ones that did are already here.

Thanks for sharing this perspective. Complacency won’t grow the userbase here.

Fuck that Subreddit. I called someone an idiot there and they banned me. I don’t know if this changed but at the time ALL the moderators were privated. I found out one moderators and called them them all cowards and losers. It was THAT exchange that got be banned from reddit entirely.

I came here and never looked back.

I quit as the top mod of /r/StarTrek in 2021 in protest against Reddit’s platforming of vaccine disinformation subreddits.

You quit reddit because they didn’t ban subreddits you don’t like?

time.com/…/meta-facebook-zuckerberg-covid-biden-p…

started StarTrek.website.

I don’t use that because you are (or someone is) modding it wrong. You don’t allow people to talk about which parts of Star Trek they don’t like and others might want to avoid. Fuck that. All parts of Star Trek are not equally good.

What you guys did to the alternate Star Trek subs (ie: the ones that allowed criticism of NuTrek) is inexcusable and will never be forgiven.

At least here you don’t see a single ad.

Just like digg back then after they switched the format.

Reddit keeps forgetting they depend on the users, including the mods.

Before the API change I was looking into making an extension for RES that would automatically block any user account above a configurable ratio of posts to comments. It was BANANAS how much content was from bots on the front page even on smaller subs, and that was before the protests.

Reddit sold whatever soul it may have had to the devil, as does every company that goes public.

It's literally taking our words and our conversations and using them to train an inhuman computer system to sound more human.

And we are not allowed to say no.

It doesn't get more devilish than that on the internet.

And of course, I deleted my account when this whole debacle happened, but I'm sure they're still taking all of my old comments and selling them to any person with a dollar.

Harm? That is what would happen to their company if they explained what they meant by “harm”

Heresy? Is that Roblox Burlyman? It’s heresy, right?

I think that’s what most as execs want, sadly

Few enough people use it i doubt they’ll do that. The og reddit api (is that the term?) that came before old.reddit still works too (can’t remember what it is off the top)

They've made it incredibly clear that anything you post on their platform is theirs, and if they do something you don't like you can go fuck yourself.

Fuck Reddit.

Calling making a subreddit private “harming redditors and Reddit” is insane

“we won’t let moderators harm their communities by not letting them eg. protect their communities from brigades and similar harassment”

Sure you thought that through, reddit admins?

Glad I’m not the only one pessimating that.

And unlike last time there won’t be an easy way for mods to point users towards Lemmy.

Let’s be honest with ourselves - no, it won’t be wildly unpopular. This change affects very few people and the people still using Reddit at this point likely won’t care much, and I have doubt any future change would cause much outrage either.

Because think about this - who is actively complaining and gnashing their teeth about the continued downward spiral and still scrolling, posting, moderating there at this point? I’d love to believe more people would jump ship - but if it ever happened it would take a far larger-scope fuckup than anything we’ve seen so far.

For a casual observer, who was never engaged with that platform, it might actually look like Reddit is back to normal, based on a casual glance at the activity.

You only notice the cracks leaking water when you actually look closer, and you remember that the stone dam didn’t have so many of them. The surge on bot activity, the lower level of discourse in the comments, the further concentration of activity into larger subs, the content feeling more and more repetitive…

It seems like the new account deleter scripts replace all comments with random text rather than actually delete them, which I’m sure makes it harder for reddit to undelete.

Same. This place is great, even with the tankies from lemmy.ml and the fascists from hexbear, at least we somehow still get along.

I honestly believe that Lemmy is cool, but it either needs more content or I need to perform a magic trick to make my feed “better”. At least it’s not that addicting, and the “small community, small town” vibes gives charm to it.

I’ve been here since August 2024 or so.

It’s so much better. Personally I don’t hope it grows much either. Satisfies my content itch, have still had some good quality convos here, seen some great comments threads. Absolutely none of the bullshit that Reddit purposely encourages. Plus most of the zeebs and the chronically offended seemed to have stayed with reddit, and I’m super OK with that.

We all do

This place feels like old reddit. When we could have actual discussions and not just be downvoted by bots. It’s so much better here

The lack of commercialization being shoved down and up your orifices is really nice.

“Those who make community protest impossible will make hacks inevitable."

― John F. Kennedy, pretty much

The Lebanon subreddit might as well be a zionist propaganda reddit.

When something grows to that size it becomes recognized as a useful tool with which to conduct social engineering. Reddit has been a weapon of information warfare for well over a decade.

That’s when I knew we lost. When power hungry moderators felt threatened and, instead of standing in solidarity with its users, caved to corporate demands.

“But we’ll be able to still protest. Every Tuesday.”

Hell are those protests still going on? I highly doubt it.

Reddit would close the sub for being unmoderated until someone asks to be the new mod

A lot of subreddits have done that. The problem is nobody notices…

Many subs did that, so reddit substituted the mods for others that do as they are told.

Reddit mods are such cucks for power that they cave when it’s threatened to be removed

The problem is that this opens the door to far right bootlickers who a salivating at the idea of turning reddit into an even farther right shithole.

That’s what I did with all mine.

People tried that.

reddit corporate will remove those mods and ask which other mods want to be super duper awesome and be able to say they moderate another N thousand users per day for zero pay. And people leap at that.

Until the users leave, nothing will happen. In a fucked way, reddit corporate are doing everyone a favor by removing the spineless “We are going to go silent for 24 hours with no real demands or bargaining power” idiocy.

160 mods representing all subreddits? Yeah that’s entirely power mods who would tow the line

Ideally, it would be because they care for the community they moderate, which I believe is the reason most mods do it.

Then you have creatures like awkwardtheturtle, who knows what motivates them.

There was this one post for a call for mods about “doing a social good for the community”.

Like bro, this is a video game subreddit. And you’re doing it for free, to help another dude get really rich.

If all mods quit that’d be perfect. Reddit has shown they’ll replace mods when they actually need to (or want to). But if no regular users wanted to pick it up then they’d have to pay admins to moderate. I don’t think we’ll see it though. There’s always going to be someone who wants it enough who has enough time for whatever reason.

It’s amazing to me that so many people are willing to work as unpaid moderators so that Reddit’s investors can make more money.

Well it used to be (when Reddit was FLOSS and Reddit didn’t take communities off the founders who created them, at most they’d close the community) that people saw it as choosing Reddit to host the community instead of creating it somewhere else. However, Reddit has since changed the rules drastically, and essentially taken the communities people created there.

Best response for mods is to move your community somewhere else, and put in an automod rule redirecting people to the new community on Lemmy or whatever. Reddit will probably eventually try to take over and keep competing with your community under the original URL.

I was reading this post recently: howtomarketagame.com/…/dont-build-your-castle-in-… - I guess it applies to communities equally as much as it applies to anything else.

Are you sure you wrote this correctly? /lh

Or just agree with what your betters want you to think, obviously. </s>

They’re better than the OLD alternative, which was total boycotting at best, and torches and pitchforks at worst. The NEW alternative is complaining about it for a week or two, then continuing on without making any changes at all. They don’t mind the new alternative.

Protests: a pressure valve to release steam. You gotta let them get out there and march around for a little bit. Let them walk it off. Then proceed to implement the next new tyranny a little bit at a time.

People haven’t been using the alternative, and that’s the problem. Reddit and tech giants have grown complicit. They do not believe people would do it to them, or they think they could survive thousands of people trying to do it to them, if one can then many can.

If you can’t meaningfully curate your feed then Reddit has lost all value.

My thought exactly. They can always do like me and nope the fuck out of there.

It’s possible but reddit isn’t the only one looking for engagement, so are individual users. If a site has more users, it has more engagement and content. It is also not impossible to drop the lemmy name when you do go back there to make people aware of the alternative.

True but how do you get the message out when they control the media?

That’s not a good method though on it’s own, there needs to be effort to undermine them. And since they don’t want to do peaceful protests, the only option left are the more violent and less legal ones. The ones that compromise their platform and its data.

And moving to a different, more decentralized shithole?

Lemmy has the same power tripping admins and mods, just more of them and each with a new and unique bias. You don’t hate AI? Ban. You acknowledge certain genocide? Ban. You made fun of my typo? Ban.

Man I just turned 20. I’m sick of everything I do online being dictated by commercial interests. I feel like an old man. I just want my applesauce and my bingo, and to not be bothered and lumped into the white middle class 20 year-old advertising demographic.

( please stop bombarding me with scare tactic election ads google )

because other people haven’t left yet

This was the last straw for me, running Redact right now.

Removed by mod

My account was banned because I kept reporting people and it was easier to get rid of the complainer than it was all the bigots she was complaining about… but… now I feel very “You can’t fire me, I quit” about it

What country is that? I’m curious if they’re also racists.

I’m also glad too. I just sign up and I’m currently looking for the alternative reddit communities here on lemmy.

Reddit mods are the blue sludge in the porta potty tank, not a “council”.

Great username 😂

It happens in the real world too.

In the positive cases the local police force and / or military manages to convince the government that it is a non-supportable act and nothing happens. In the bad cases it results in government officials getting lynched in the end.

Some people point blank refuse to learn from history, no matter how many times it is repeated.

And this is where you went? This is literally Reddit’s bias taken to the level of hyperbole. The extremism groupthink here is the primary reason it hasn’t and likely will never go mainstream.

It’s the same here

What’s really fascinating is how many of the advice communities for certain sexual practices are run by bona fide rapists.

Same. Will never go back. Even the military subs are toxic now.

Bruh, at least you just got banned “for” something. I got shadowbanned, and for seemingly no reason at all! I made some very neutral comments in fandom subreddits, and only when I looked at the pages logged out, I realized the comments were not showing up. I can only guess it was either my location, my custom domain email, or a combination of both.

Reddit permabanned me. I pissed off too many mods, made too many new accounts, now I guess my ip is caught in their spam filter or something. Crazy thing, I never posted anything offensive. I could be posting about playing GTA and somebody I pissed off in another thread would report me for “advocating violence”, which is an autoban basically.

Add to that the “your karma is too low” or “your post doesn’t include xyz” shit and the site is becoming unusable.

If your subreddit is big enough and you do anything disruptive they’ll just take your mod powers away and give them to someone else who won’t disrupt it.

The best thing to do is either over or under moderate the subreddit in a way that seems legitimate but leads to the usefulness of the community dying off while also migrating the most useful content off the subreddit.

Banning everyone takes a bot, which is rate limited. Same with a trash flood.

Automod though, you can easily set to do things like remove all new comments and submissions, remove stuff on one report (which lets you use the argument no one really believes that you’re letting the users have more control.), allow new submissions but lock every comment section, or allow only select users to post, whether based on karma, username, flair, etc.

Possibilities are endless really.

They’d get banned for spam.

Good. Can’t wait for these shit MBA clowns to destroy something else with their vast “knowledge”. Only this time will cheer them on.

I remember there was like a twilight where yelp was helpful, then it wasn’t and I learned all their shady shit and went “yeah that explains it”.

Reddit has a longer amount of content to burn through but if it becomes just husks of communities puppetted by corporate pr firms it’s going to just slowly cannibalize.

A boycott that doesn’t hurt has no leverage.

It’s because it was being done by terminally online Redditors, not using the site was more painful for them than the site itself.

Most self destructive design choice I’ve ever seen on a site

How the fuck are you supposed to get new users if nobody can even post!?

I’m not…

In favor of what is the problem. In Lemmy half the instances have defederated from half the others.

People use Reddit because there’s only one Reddit. Coming to such a center is human nature, while Fediverse architecture is someone’s strategy. Changing your strategy is simpler than changing human nature.

If we drop the tech religion part of the subject, NOSTR moderated communities are a very good thing as a global, not per-instance, Reddit alternative. You can clearly see that its core idea is chosen by people who are more confident with human psychology than with tech. And it’s good for that very reason. It’s an ugly real solution.

Except all clients suck balls and there’s nothing to see there yet.

I lieu of that, I’d say the mods should just go limp. Stop moderating content and let posters run wild. The company needs to realize just how much their business model depends on all that unpaid labor.

What? and lose THE MOST EFFECTIVE PROTEST PLATFORM EVER MADE? I couldn’t imagine what else we would use to teach corporations and politicians a harsh lesson (insert giant eye rolling emoji)

They address this. “The policy applies to adjusting all community types, meaning moderators will have to request to make a switch from safe for work to not safe for work, too.”

I believe mods tried this and reddit purged the mods when subreddits only allowed John Oliver images.

“This sub is now entirely dedicated to discussing u/Spez’s involvement in moderating jailbait subreddits”

What would these busybodies do with their free time then and how would they obtain a sense of self worth ? They can’t quit, deleting other people from the internet is their whole life.

Nobody is going to quit, all mod roles can be replaced in minutes with people excited to do it. If they have to, they can pay them even and make them official employees and never have to worry about protests again.

Also, who cares, the site has a clock over it, in a few years most users will be bots and children and all content will be farmed slop akin to youtube.

Furthermore, if anyone thinks that “protests” on reddit accomplish ANYTHING that person is a literal child, or someone else who shouldn’t be trusted to operate heavy machinery.

Whatever high ideals we had for reddit a decade ago are long-since dead and buried and that’s fine, instead of whinging about what we lost we should be trying to figure out what to build next to maintain some semblance of an internet in an age of AI slop.

Quite a few of the mods are severing alternative interests. The partisan subs are run by literal party staffers and think tanks. Lots of the big brand subs are run by marketing agencies. Reddit’s financial model is to sell these spaces. You don’t just have some random mega-fan running /r/Marvel. That’s a Disney staffer.

None of these guys are going anywhere.

30 terabyte of Rick Astley per second should do nicely.

I feel like Lemmy also has a problem with corporate troll farms.

Reddit is far worse though with bots and establishment troll farm shill accounts.

My oldest Reddit account is 15 years old. That site is a shell of what it used to be. It’s lost almost everything that made it special in the first place. The community is also too large in my opinion. We went from well-thought-out posts, comments and questions to memes and one-liners. It’s toxic, hive minded and full of bots.

The internet always moves on; the most popular bulletin boards and usenet groups and web forums eventually fell and people moved away. Even Digg had a powerful following and heavy user traffic and due to Reddit style changes everyone left too. Reddit just as likely.

Bots building post history in an abandoned looking sub. Usually done to get access to some other sub.

With the right looking post history you can scam your way onto a surprising large number of moderation teams.

/r/trees will only accept tree related posts

But do they have to submit a request if they tell the audience “fuck it, this is now a sub about X, we’ll remove everything that’s not about X”?

No that just isn’t allowed. I’m not joking, the admins have removed entire mod teams and installed new ones because the mod teams decided to change the topic of the sub.

I’ve had almost all my posts on Reddit go up in smoke for one pedantic reason or another. I haven’t posted here much out of that fear but I think it’s much better here.

I am done with reddit since last year, it s a power hungry incel moderation website

Reddit, like all major social media, has really been making me feel like dead internet “theory” is real.

My ban was for quoting someone who said a slur so they couldn’t edit their comment after I reported it, and I said as much in my report.

It’s the moderators, they are dumb as fuck because there’s no consequence because they’re all volunteers. The only thing stupider than the volunteer mods who don’t demand pay, are the people who get hung up on what moderators are doing or not. We should have all stopped taking reddit so seriously a long, long time ago. Protests? Jesus christ, a reddit protest does as much real-world good as a kindergarten protest by the children mad that they can’t get more cookies.

I protested, they said, nope

Protesting on a site that’s fully automated their administration just means getting told “fuck you” twice.

There’s no real bureaucracy under the hood. It’s just “friend computer says you’re guilty” followed by “friend computer says you’re still guilty plus you had the gall to doubt friend computer’s immaculate wisdom”.

Indeed, fuck reddit and their Russian shills. I was permanently banned for commenting about the Russians receiving a dose of their own medicine and I did not use a single swear word.

It’s not as bad here but I already ran into having a comment of mine deleted from a sub because I suggested that Peter Molyneux is a scam artist, no longer a developer, if he ever couod be considered one. I didn’t think that was such an outlandish position that it warranted deletion. But it was removed with an exceptionally vague reason and they wouldn’t responded to me asking for an explanation. So how am I supposed to even know when my opinion will offend a tender soul there? My guess is peter Molyneux himself was the mod. Lol

writes Nestler. “We want to hear from you when you think Reddit is making decisions that are not in your communities’ best interests. But if a protest crosses the line into harming redditors and Reddit, we’ll step in.”

Translation: We don’t really give a shit what you think. Now shut up and generate that content for us to sell to AI companies.

What they don’t seem to understand is that Reddit employees don’t create value, the users create value. And mods are users. The more they make things shitty for users, the more quickly the company will go bankrupt. I distinctly remember stories about killing golden geese and milking cows to death but the MBA crowd must not have been told those growing up.

Reddit vacillates between operating as a clearing house for the most ugly, racist, reactionary propaganda currently in circulation and doing pogroms against the six subreddits that got popular posting current events about a new kind of genocide we invented.

I’m glad I left, but it’s hard not to look over my shoulder and notice they’re doing the same fascist bucket carrying from 2020 and 2016 and 2012 and 2008 and…

Subs which did that had their mods replaced by reddit admins