“Extra Level”? It's more about taking the burden off the women for me. Why do they, and only they, always have to mess up their bodies?
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 10:56
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What do you mean by always? The birth control makes sense because it’s much harder to do it for men because sperm is constantly being produced and women only release 1 egg per month. What other ways do women have to mess up their bodies?
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 10:59
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This is a really dumb take. The onus of birth control should not be only on the women.
Mannimarco@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 11:08
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Condoms are a thing
YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 13:21
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Condoms don’t work for everyone’s body.
Edit: to be clear I’m saying it’s not that simple. There should be more options for anyone with a penis to be able to handle this important implication of having sex. For anyone in general, more options are always good.
YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 14:10
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I know you’re joking but there are size restrictions on condoms in the US where I live, so no they don’t.
Edit: also, body shaming is gross.
dacreator@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 11:14
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Calling someone dumb isn’t a good way to start a discussion. When men wear condoms how can you claim the onus is on women? My wife didn’t want to take hormones so I wore condoms, every couple has that option.
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 11:22
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I didn’t call them dumb, I called the statement a really dumb take, not the same thing.
victorz@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 11:07
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Forgetting about pregnancy and childbirth perhaps? I take it that they meant those things fuck up women’s bodies pretty severely sometimes. It’s a tough struggle to recover from pregnancy and childbirth, and some never do.
But apart from that, birth control should be an equal burden, IMO.
Oh, wow, do you come off as uninformed! Birth control for women has tons and tons of side effects, and it's in no way easier to prevent successful ovulation than it is to prevent fertile sperm production. In fact, birth control drugs for men have been repeatedly blocked by regulators for having too many side effects, while those side effects pretty closely mirror those of the pill for women. So, interfering with everything from blood pressure to appetite is acceptable when women are affected, but can't be burdened upon men?
Interrupting the ovulation cycle comes at great cost for the body. All the “non-hormonal” ways of birth control we have (except the condom) require either poisonous metals and foreign objects to be pushed inside the uterus, increasing the risk for cysts, causing pain, and regular checkups and painful procedures to be applied or fitted (diaphragm). Or toxins to be applied straight into a woman's private parts (spermicides). Calendar-based methods and “pulling out” have large margins of error, as have condoms.
Pulptastic@midwest.social
on 25 May 2024 11:55
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Do the copper IEDs have negative side effects? I thought the objection to those was purely moral.
Firstly: Disregarding the discomfort of having to see the doctor and having something shoved inside your body is a weird mistake, especially men tend to make regularly when talking about those things. Having your genitals exposed to and then painfully tampered with by what is ultimately a stranger isn't a thing most people would describe as a pleasant afternoon activity.
The side effects aren't just from hormones. Imagine having to do a prostate exam every 6 months and a metal plug shoved close to your prostate through your urethra every few years (not the same, of course, just an attempt at an analogy, since men are one hole short down there). Wouldn't you dislike that? Many women are really sensitive around their cervix and implanting the IUD can therefore be really painful.
Secondly: Period cramps increase in severity, bleeding increases for most people, and there are hints that those IUDs can increase the risk for cysts, which in turn cause issues, pain and sometimes need surgical removal.
SaltySalamander@fedia.io
on 25 May 2024 14:06
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Period cramps increase in severity, bleeding increases for most people
The two women I dated that had an implanted IUD legit didn't have a period anymore. So not only was the bleeding and cramps not worse, they simply didn't exist.
You honestly seem to just trying to be pushing some agenda, possibly because you had a bad experience and you're assuming that's just the way it is for everyone, when the reality is it's pretty rare.
why is your experience the norm and what I say "pretty rare" not the other way around? Or do you consider "two women I know" a representative group? Are "two women I knew" more significant than what professionals will tell you?
Paragard side effects can include:
spotting between periods
irregular periods
heavier or longer periods
more or worse cramping during your periods
pain when your IUD is put in, and cramping or back aches for a few days after
Was that a copper IUD (which was what I wrote about) or a hormonal IUD?
candybrie@lemmy.world
on 26 May 2024 13:55
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Periods going away or getting lighter is a side affect of hormonal IUDs. Copper IUDs have no mechanism to make them go away, and seem to pretty commonly make cramps and bleeding worse.
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Excrubulent@slrpnk.net
on 25 May 2024 12:16
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IEDs have very negative effects, but you wouldn’t really call them side-effects.
And IUDs involve surgery which has its own risks including perforating the uterus, plus they can become infected and cause sepsis which is deadly, plus in general infections suck. Some women suffer immense pain which may or may not be ignored by their doctors. They also do release hormones which have fewer side effects because they’re more local, but they’re not side effect free.
Many of these issues were much worse in the earlier days, where many women died or suffered serious illness and permanent infertility whilst doctors didn’t take them seriously because women are often ignored by doctors where men would not be. So the level of safety the devices now have was bought with a lot of women’s unnecessary suffering.
My wife got repeated infections and had a lot of pain from the copper iud.
If you go looking for testimonials you’ll find numerous people who had bad experiences with it.
Also, they really should offer anesthetic or at least a powerful painkiller for the insertion and removal procedures. Doctors act like it’s no big deal, but it’s very painful.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 25 May 2024 18:08
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Yet another case of the medical industry not caring one iota about women and women’s ability to identify what is going on with their own bodies. The number of times I’ve heard of doctors dismissing women’s pain and issues makes me want to scream.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 12:39
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I know it has many side effects. My girfriend suffered many of them when she was taking the pill and I had to beg her to stop because it just was not worth it.
And fuck off of course it’s easier to stop ovulation than sperm production. It’s a numbers game. Also not like I fucking made hormonal birth control. What we have now is bad and you can go ahead and find a better alternative with less side effects. That does not mean the new birth control should also have side effects. Take issue with the people that approved the current ones.
A “numbers game”? Do you think there are little men in your balls, strangulating every sperm cell when it's formed? Or… do you think the pill works by somehow interfering with the ovum itself?
Because it doesn't. Quite the opposite. Just as male contraception methods don't try to kill sperm, but to shut down the factory. Besides: You cannot measure the difficulty or complexity of medical procedures by how many cells are affected. By that logic, brain surgery would be way easier to do than amputating a leg.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 12:50
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What I meant is that it’s easier to ensure it works being a numbers game. If you constantly have new sperm being made it’s way harder to shut that down consistently than to stop one egg releasing once per month.
AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world
on 26 May 2024 18:33
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That’s not how any of this works. Did you never take reproductive anatomy?
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world
on 26 May 2024 18:59
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No. Where would I take that?
AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world
on 27 May 2024 12:03
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In school. But I’m sure you could gather the essentials from the internet.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world
on 27 May 2024 14:46
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We had sex ed but we never went really deep.
AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world
on 28 May 2024 03:18
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Let me put it this way, with an imperfect analogy. If you poison the water supply, it doesn’t matter how many people drink from it. They all die.
Woah there, you shouldn't berate someone, belittling them for being “too young” and then act like a child in the supermarket when they didn't get the Matchbox Car they wanted. Jeez!
the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works
on 25 May 2024 14:54
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Haha you’re right, usually i avoid the youth angle. But his comments smelled so youthful the words came out on their own. only the young get mad at the insult so i think in moderation it’s a good tool
Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 22:01
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Honestly, as glad as this article makes me, I’d still like to see a perfect birth control for women. Periods seem like they must be the worst part of being a woman (biologically, not socially). Having a temporary, reversible way to stop ovulation without fucking up a dozen related systems and causing physical and mental anguish would be nice.
Sucks you’re being down voted, I mean maybe saying “idiot-proof” isn’t nice but comprehensive sex ed should cover helping those with a noodle understand how to find ones that fit comfortably and what main causes there are for breakage n whatnot. I’m currently having that discussion with my sex buddy, and I can’t tell you the amount of times I’ve had people try to coerce me into letting them go raw dog in the past. Like keep in mind I’m in a state that has not only criminalized abortion but is defunding all planned parenthoods now.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 17:49
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It’s the Internet.
People downvote a lot of stuff.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 17:50
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Like keep in mind I’m in a state that has not only criminalized abortion but is defunding all planned parenthoods now.
Bummer.
2/3 of the states will follow in another year. That’s what happens when we elect people no matter how badly they do their jobs.
I’m not voting for this scum, but yeah, we’ll see. Hoping it’ll make it to the ballot so the people can actually vote to amend the state constitution like others have. The people may be dumb at electing Representatives, but get a straight forward measure up for vote and the people seem to follow through in correcting it.
Prandom_returns@lemm.ee
on 27 May 2024 08:58
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Condoms are only 99% effective. You NEED a second layer of defence.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
on 27 May 2024 09:47
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They’re 100% effective, the only reason there said to be 99% effective is to prevent lawsuits from people using then incorrectly.
Prandom_returns@lemm.ee
on 27 May 2024 10:13
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I’m a human, I can make mistakes in the heat of the moment. I’ve had friend couples I know get pregnant even though they’re “professional condom putters onners”.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
on 27 May 2024 10:26
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It’s not the condom’s fault if you make a mistake. Condom material doesn’t let sperm through, it’s that simple, it’s been used incorrectly if it did. Companies don’t want to lose time and money with lawsuits hence 99%.
Also, anecdotal evidence while you weren’t in bed with them isn’t much of a proof, it’s as valid as me telling you I’ve never got any girl pregnant even when we weren’t using any protection therefore pulling out is 100% effective.
umbrella@lemmy.ml
on 25 May 2024 12:34
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we can finally share the load and mess up everyone because of not affording babies!
yeah, not wanting 10 children is a matter of cost, of course. It's baffling to me how unreflected and naive opinions regarding reproduction still are...
YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 13:19
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Right? I’m at the point where I can’t possibly fathom the thought process of bringing a child into this world.
Confused_Emus@lemmy.world
on 26 May 2024 05:58
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You seem nice.
AEsheron@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 18:16
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The hippocratic oath, in this case. Medicine is all about risk management, the worse the “disease,” the more tolerant we are of side effects for the cure. Pregnancy and birth are still pretty traumatic events that, while much safer than they used to be, are still dangerous. Female BC just has to be less risky than that. Male BC on the other hand, has to be as low the risk for a man impregnating a woman, which is to say, almost zero. Pretty much any negative side effect is worse than that, so it’s very difficult to pass. I would gladly take one with comparable side effects to female BC, but sometimes unflinching ethics are inconvenient. Better than the alternative, but still.
The Hippocratic oath is not a thing in most countries and not applicable anyway. If it was, kidney transplants would be done without a doctor present (in the US that is, don't overestimate your little made up oath ritual internationally)
cyberic@discuss.tchncs.de
on 26 May 2024 15:29
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Hippocrates wasn’t American and the oath was made sometime around the 4th century BCE. It’s been part of medical tradition since then (at least if you follow ancient Greek tradition)
While that is indubitably correct, the only jurisdiction I know that makes binding references to whatever is used as “Hippocratic oath” is the U.S.
cyberic@discuss.tchncs.de
on 26 May 2024 18:29
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Thanks! TIL
Pips@lemmy.sdf.org
on 26 May 2024 06:05
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It’s medical ethics, not the Hippocratic Oath. Most doctors swear to an ethical standard. Besides, “first, do no harm” is a bit unhelpful if you’re a surgeon.
Otherwise you’re right, the risks of pregnancy outweigh the side effects of birth control, which is why birth control for women doesn’t have as high a standard for mitigating other consequences.
Somehow, we manage to accept organ transplants despite it hurting one healthy person a little to help an unhealthy person a lot. What’s stopping us from treating birth control the same way?
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 13:15
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Same. I’ve always preferred to be in full control of my own contraception, mostly because I just don’t trust anyone else with something that consequential
The pull-out “method” is when a person pulls their penis out of a vagina before they ejaculate. It’s not effective because you can’t be sure you’ve timed it right and some sperm can still escape before ejacualtion. It’s a shitty “method”. Don’t use it like the idiot above.
MeanPresentation80@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 16:55
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I take offense to you calling me an idiot. That’s not fair. I have extremely good ejaculation control. But I still obviously don’t recommend this to anyone else. It’s a shitty method if you leak a little bit during sexual activity, too, which I never do.
Do note that we often time sex to low fertility sectors in the menstrual cycle.
Again. Do not use this method. (But no need to hate on someone it does work well for, wtf.)
CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work
on 25 May 2024 15:55
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It’s been working for my wife and I for five years, but it’s a low risk situation for us since we could handle another kid if I ever had a whoopsie daisy.
It’s good that you also weigh the risk against your ability to raise another one. That’s the true responsibility right there. Unprotected sex I feel is only ever irresponsible if you run a risk of infecting someone or making a baby that you don’t want to or can’t raise properly.
I wish you and your wife the best in your lives together. ❤️
ArchAengelus@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 25 May 2024 15:58
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Ironically, in the hands of an experienced practitioner, the pullout method is very effective at preventing pregnancy.
The problem comes when it’s a kid trying it for the first time having sex, or someone not in full control of their facilities towards the end of sex. Easy to get caught up and “forget” if you’re having a good time.
Yeah, that’s me. I have extremely good ejaculation control and know myself very well at the end of sex. Like, I’ve been using it for like 20 years. And the two times I actually wanted to make children we became pregnant immediately, so we are both very fertile. So I know it’s working well.
But as you say, you have to be experienced to trust it. It was more scary in the beginning.
CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work
on 25 May 2024 10:36
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state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de
on 25 May 2024 10:54
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The only thing that works is abstinence. It’s like handling a gun. Don’t put your dick in something that you can impregnate unless you’re ready for kids.
Disclaimer: This comment is not meant to be taken seriously. Even though it’s true.
jaykay@lemmy.zip
on 25 May 2024 11:35
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Worked for me. Still don’t have kind
Ifera@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 13:28
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Worked for me, turned gay. Five stars/zero kids.
Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 26 May 2024 04:13
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Keep trying! You’ll get his ass gregnant one day if you try hard enough!
or girl’s ass, I’m not sure which kinda gay you are!
CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work
on 25 May 2024 16:18
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I know it puts me at odds with probably every sex ed curriculum, but I don’t think abstinence counts as birth control because it’s not coitus that risks pregnancy. It’s like saying ice skating is birth control.
TheBat@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 11:45
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Be me
Neato@ttrpg.network
on 25 May 2024 11:49
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Condom. You can see that it’s there. Closest you can get.
It is pretty easy to tamper with a condom in invisible ways, from poking holes or letting it expire, to stealthing. Hell, you can even cook the condom at low heat for a while in its package and you will cause significant structural damage to it, without even bruising most packaging.
Even a freshly bought condom and a little sleight of hand can go a long way into tampering. No birth control is trust free.
TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee
on 25 May 2024 11:55
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Get a vasectomy, it’s pretty close
CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work
on 25 May 2024 16:09
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The other party still has to trust that you actually got it and all the rest of the sperm have passed.
TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee
on 25 May 2024 16:10
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Lab tested and certified baby, I’d put it on my resume if that wasn’t weird
CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work
on 25 May 2024 16:31
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Would have to add some cryptography to that certificate to make it trustless.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works
on 25 May 2024 16:42
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New cryptocurrency in 3… 2…
CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work
on 25 May 2024 17:35
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I was just thinking about good old fashioned PGP lol.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works
on 25 May 2024 18:16
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But then you’re trusting every doctor’s office to only sign off on men that are snipped. You need a decentralized oracle with random inspections from local sperm auditors.
CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work
on 26 May 2024 01:16
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I mean, a baseline trust in medical practice should be a given. Maybe not.
Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 26 May 2024 04:14
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Penis Gay Pregnancy
reisub@discuss.tchncs.de
on 25 May 2024 11:22
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… in mice.
iiGxC@slrpnk.net
on 25 May 2024 12:31
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Vasectomy gang 😎😎✂️✂️ All juice no seeds
JoMiran@lemmy.ml
on 25 May 2024 12:55
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I got mine from Dr. Dick Chopp.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 13:55
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Dr. Richard Chopin.
Too subtle?
SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 15:35
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I gave myself one with a pair of rusty nail clippers, it worked well.
Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 26 May 2024 04:01
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You’re missing the delicious smoke!
KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml
on 25 May 2024 18:31
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sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 25 May 2024 14:24
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How was the recovery process? I keep meaning to do it (we’re done having kids), but we keep having trips or whatever, so excuses pile up.
How soon could I be back doing active things? I have young kids, so “active” to me means roughhousing with the kids and whatnot.
NielsBohron@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 14:52
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Not OP, but mine was really pretty manageable. 2 days of sitting in an easy chair and icing my balls, 2 days of “walking is fine, but avoid any sudden movements,” and a week of “it’s a little sore, but it doesn’t really hurt.” After that, it was about 2-3 weeks where I didn’t really notice it unless I moved the wrong way too suddenly (whereupon I’d get a quick twinge, but nothing too bad).
Really a pretty small cost for the benefits. I don’t really like painkillers, but I do recommend some THC gummies for the first week and a fresh series to binge
bizzle@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 14:53
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When I did mine, I drove myself home and put a bag of peas on there for the afternoon. I was fine pretty much right away, but I think medical advice says wait 3 days before you do anything wild.
Plus you have to ejaculate like 30 times in two weeks to clean out the pipes, but your sperm is still active so you can only do hand and mouth stuff. That was a pretty good two weeks.
It’s literally so easy and the peace of mind is really nice especially if you’re impulsive as fuck like me.
jballs@sh.itjust.works
on 25 May 2024 16:13
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I think medical advice says wait 3 days before you do anything wil
My brother only waited 2 days because he felt like he was recovering well. He said everything felt great right up to the point he nutted. Then it was like someone punched him in the balls. He was like "oh yes… oh yes… OH YES… OH GOD NO!!!
realbadat@programming.dev
on 25 May 2024 14:56
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Pretty quick.
My kids are currently 5 and 2 had my vasectomy about 6 months after the second (wanted sooner but no appointments available, and it’s first consult then another appointment).
Toughest thing for me was the second day. Day of I was given Valium, procedure was easy peasy. I’d call it a few days of discomfort, just plan to take it easy.
iiGxC@slrpnk.net
on 25 May 2024 15:11
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Hmm I’m not sure. I got it over summer in college and work a desk job, so I got it done on friday, chilled all weekend on the couch watching movies, building legos, snacking, and icing my nuts, and I was back to work on monday
explodicle@sh.itjust.works
on 25 May 2024 16:39
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Make sure you get your own pain medication ahead of time. Mine was apparently worse than the other replies, and the doctor being stingy about meds made it needlessly terrible.
No I don’t otherwise do opiates. Doctors are just stingy because of the people who are on opiates.
storcholus@feddit.de
on 25 May 2024 17:17
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I did the thing on ibuprofen. Your guys get serious pain medication for that?
explodicle@sh.itjust.works
on 25 May 2024 17:31
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Maybe my surgeon sucked, because it was definitely not an ibuprofen situation.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 25 May 2024 18:33
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Good advice. I’ve never had surgery outside of wisdom teeth removal, and other than then, I’ve never used anything stronger than ibuprofen. I’ve taken some pretty rough spills, so I think I have a high pain tolerance, but I don’t know for sure.
storcholus@feddit.de
on 25 May 2024 17:18
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The worst was over in a couple of days but for the next three months it stuff there was a slight discomfort in some situations
Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 26 May 2024 04:09
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My close bois had a really easy time, they all said “something felt different for a week or two but life was normal otherwise”
A small percentage of dudes have a horrible time though, and that’s awful.
TheIllustrativeMan@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 17:23
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My recovery was honestly pretty bad. I was bed-ridden for about 2 weeks, then 8-ish months of aching pain all day every day. Not actually sure when it finally cleared up, I just realized I hadn’t felt the pain in a while. My first nut was about a month after the procedure, and that was also a very unpleasant experience.
My case is abnormal, but even more rare is the guys that continue to be in pain for the rest of their lives. Didn’t find out about that until I started digging deeper because of my persistent pain.
That said, I still 100% recommend getting it done.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 21:46
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I knew a guy who didn’t respond to the local anesthesia, and could feel the whole thing, and his doctor didn’t believe him.
Even he didn’t regret it.
TheIllustrativeMan@lemmy.world
on 26 May 2024 03:41
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Oh, yeah, my local wore off halfway through. When they applied more, it felt like they lit my nuts on fire.
TK420@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 22:00
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Mine was rough too, about 6 months before I was normal.
Not a single fucking regret
Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 26 May 2024 04:05
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I’m so sorry, that’s horrid! I have multiple friends who came home with no pain, didn’t do cum for a few weeks, and basically didn’t even notice anything.
That’s so fucking horrible, I wish you had a much better experience. At least you can dump in the gut eternally with no worries, though.
shrodes@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 23:10
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My case is abnormal, but even more rare is the guys that continue to be in pain for the rest of their lives. Didn’t find out about that until I started digging deeper because of my persistent pain.
Dang that sucks your urologist / surgeon didn’t let you know about this. Mine was very clear that though it is rare (was quoted 1% which seems kind high to me) he doesn’t recommend going through with the procedure if you have testicular pain in your day to day as it could be a risk factor for having permanent pain afterwards
brbposting@sh.itjust.works
on 26 May 2024 16:11
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but even more rare is the guys that continue to be in pain for the rest of their lives
EVEN AFTER REVERSING THE PROCEDURE
Look, it’s SUPER rare. We still drive cars even though, using my state of California as an example, eight of us die on the roads every day.
But…
I could never forgive myself if my groin hurt thirty years from now because of a singular & highly-optional decision I made today.
Same with LASIK - some have dry eyes forever afterwards. Nooooooo
billiam0202@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 18:21
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Not bad at all.
For the first week doc said no erections- turns out not getting hard was the hardest part. After that, it was like a month or so of no unprotected sex. It’s been a few years so I might not remember correctly, but I think he recommended like 15 to 20 ejaculations in that time frame. And I’m going to humble brag here- I’ve been blessed with a wife whose libido is way higher than mine. But that month, knowing that each orgasm was one step closer to her not having kids again- she made it her mission in life to knock those orgasms out as fast as I could get it up.
I didn’t really have any swelling that I can remember- I iced my scrotum for a few hours but it didn’t hurt too bad so I stopped after that. Some acetaminophen helped with the residual pain, and I think I had to take it easy for a couple of weeks- don’t lift anything heavy to strain your groin muscles.
All in all, I don’t regret it and highly recommend anyone who is done having children to get one.
DaPorkchop_@lemmy.ml
on 26 May 2024 07:21
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How the hell is one supposed to avoid getting any erections? Morning wood isn’t exactly something people have any degree of control over…
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 21:45
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Mine wasn’t too bad. I spent a couple days on the couch taking OTC pain killers, and was able to move around well enough to light house work after a couple days. Honestly the hardest part was the month waiting to have sex before I could confirm it worked.
I got mine last year. I was fully recovered in terms of physical activity within probably 4-5 days but I did get two very uncomfortable sperm granulomas that hung around for several days each. My nuts swelled up and turned purple so that was pretty fucking scary but it wasn’t anything dangerous. Just a lot of aching. But within a month I was completely back to normal.
Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 26 May 2024 04:03
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Multiple of my friends reported being totally fine right after, with no pain. Not even frozen peas. But they all waited a couple weeks before doing cum again.
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today
on 25 May 2024 18:55
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The Caveat is that it is permanent and irreversible for the average person with very few exceptions.
EDIT: added “for the average person”
iiGxC@slrpnk.net
on 25 May 2024 20:57
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Exactly, one of the best decisions I ever made
TK420@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 21:59
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That’s kinda the point
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today
on 25 May 2024 22:20
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Also why it isn’t a replacement for birth control.
nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org
on 25 May 2024 22:04
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There’s actually a pretty high success rate for surgical reversal. Some clinics hitting 90%. Still, not ideal.
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today
on 25 May 2024 22:19
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Yeah, but how available are those clinics to the average person? I’ve never looked into it personally, but I assume travel is necessary and costs are out of pocket.
nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org
on 25 May 2024 23:07
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Absolutely a correct take, I’d say. I know that my insurance would cover it but this is the first time that I’ve EVER had insurance that would touch anything related to fertility (beyond female birth control) with a 10ft pole. I’d say that it’s fair to say that the average person in the US does not have access, mainly due to the awful level of “normal” for healthcare accessibility.
I’ve looked into it recently, myself. I wanted to see if the snip was an option due to how hormonal birth control impacts by wife. With the desire to still have kids at some point, it’s not a sure enough thing currently and is not recommended for people like me (“if you’re looking into reversibility, it’s probably not for you”). When I last looked a decade ago, success rates were topping out around 60-70%. Advances in surgical technique and technology have really improved things though. If only something like vasalgel would actually see availability - I’m not confident though, after two decades of failure.
Syntha@sh.itjust.works
on 26 May 2024 03:15
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Successful reversal meaning they managed to glue the tubes back together. Successful pregnancies are significantly lower afaik
cro_magnon_gilf@sopuli.xyz
on 26 May 2024 12:26
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Another caveat is that it’s not allowed for men under 25 in my country (Sweden). “My body - my choice” only applies to one gender lol
edit: Although, to be fair, sterilisation is also not allowed for women under 25. They do ofc have many more options though
jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world
on 26 May 2024 11:49
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Awesome!
RobotToaster@mander.xyz
on 25 May 2024 13:10
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I can’t find much on the mechanism of action (serine/threonine kinase antagonism), other than it’s been tried to fight cancer and failed, hopefully it doesn’t have any terrible side effects.
It sounds safer than the retinoic acid antagonist one that was posted a while ago anyway, I can’t imagine a drug that does the opposite of tretinoin will be popular.
Alerian@sh.itjust.works
on 25 May 2024 13:25
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Not saying the pill won’t eventually appear but the track record for men contraception hitting the market is not good. It always get cancelled in an endless loop of disapointment.
People serious about sharing the load or protecting women from the aide effect of birth control should look up vasectomy or thermal contraception. It works.
I’ve been on thermal contraception for 6months myself and my sperm production bas completely stoped with no side effects. Highly recommend.
Crackhappy@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 13:57
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Hehe “sharing the load”
kofe@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 17:39
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Should be noted vasectomies aren’t reliably reversible after a certain point, but if you know you don’t want kids, by all means. I’d rather my partner take that leap than me have to have more invasive surgery
Alerian@sh.itjust.works
on 25 May 2024 22:32
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Yeah my bad for puting both in the same bag i totally agree. I meant to say that thermal contraception is a good alternative to birth control that men can use, just as vasectomy is a viable alternative to tubal litigation. And both are easier and with less side effect than the woman counterpart.
Alerian@sh.itjust.works
on 26 May 2024 15:59
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It is not in this case at least. The method relies on using a device (usually a ring) to push the testicles hiver in your body, and the temperature there is enough to stop spermatogenesis. The current method involves stopping every 3 years for at l’East 6 months to ensure production returns to normal. There is no documented side effect, though it should be noted that as always in this area, fully documented medical trial are pending.
You my ne referring to other methods using higher temps or external device such as heating boxer but i have not experienced not researched those so i cannot answer you.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 13:42
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Man if this is effective in both cost and a high efficacy rate, then I’m so down, assuming I don’t experience awful side effects.
I had the unfortunate experience of a manipulative woman lying about using protection, and it led to me developing a fear of others doing the same. It severely effected my dating/sex life all through my 20s.
If either party (or both!) can take easily-attainable birth control, it’d be so much better than we have it now.
It’s a shame that male birth control has been so much more difficult to develop, probably due to the male reproductive system not relying on a cycle that can be quite easily interrupted.
woelkchen@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 14:03
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It’s a shame that male birth control has been so much more difficult to develop
Nah, condoms exist since ages and has many other benefits.
Emerald@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 14:25
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Condoms + another birth control is more effective then just condoms
HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone
on 25 May 2024 14:31
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The problem with condoms though is that they suck. Like, ugh, I’ll put on the toque of shame but stopping a frisky moment to apply birth control is just plain annoying.
Give me the swim team hiatus pill I can take before getting the penis brain, please and thanks.
Allero@lemmy.today
on 25 May 2024 14:42
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Condoms can break and have potential to make intercourse less pleasant, especially for men.
Male birth control can serve both as a backup to a condom and as a way to experience the pleasure of sex without condom while not risking impregnation.
It essentially has the same benefits as female birth control, except men can now be in charge too, and can also use this kind of protection when it is not recommended to a woman for medical reasons. Besides, you can always combine both to make it extra reliable.
Sure, condoms are essentially the only way to stop transmission of STIs during penetrative sex. But when we talk about healthy permanent partners, this is not commonly an issue.
tsonfeir@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 15:06
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So much for std protection.
rudyharrelson@kbin.social
on 25 May 2024 15:43
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Birth control and STD protection are two wildly different things. Imagine, if you will, a married couple who doesn't want any more kids. They want the former and don't need the latter.
tsonfeir@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 17:00
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One case, yes. Not everything is about married people who don’t cheat.
PenisWenisGenius@lemmynsfw.com
on 25 May 2024 15:22
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I use Arch
kofe@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 17:33
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I tried googling this but am confused by the results. Can you explain a bit more
PenisWenisGenius@lemmynsfw.com
on 26 May 2024 00:04
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TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 18:03
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Yes, we all know condoms exist, thank you for your input.
zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com
on 25 May 2024 15:40
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Still condom unless a long term partner. Though I’m paranoid about sti
kameecoding@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 18:28
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Well the condom paradox says that if a casual partner is willing to have sex with you without condom that’s the biggest indicator for the need of a condom
theangryseal@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 18:21
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I exist because my mother told my father that she was taking birth control. My father hasn’t been a part of my life except on a few occasions where he wanted to be here and there, and I don’t hold a grudge. My mom proudly told me this when I was about 9. I don’t blame her either, she raised herself from the time she was 4 years old when her mother committed suicide. She did the best she could with what she had as a person with no education and no parents to guide her.
My father came for the birth of my oldest biological child. He came for a few Christmases. He showed up when I was going through a divorce and helped me fix a car for my now ex. He didn’t have to do any of that. I barely know him at all, and even though it bums me out from time to time, it is what it is.
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today
on 25 May 2024 18:58
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I misread the [raised herself] bit as [raised you herself] and I thought maybe you were a halucinating ai generating word salad for a minute lol.
theangryseal@lemmy.world
on 26 May 2024 02:14
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Your original reply had me confused for a moment haha. Thank you for clearing it up and removing it.
theangryseal@lemmy.world
on 26 May 2024 02:16
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And also, preaching to the choir I’m sure, that’s the biggest reason I hate AI. We’re already contending with misinformation and bad information, and here comes the confused talking computer to make things worse.
My mother wanted a child. A family. She was clear about it from the start. My dad didn’t. Probably didn’t communicate it. He didn’t bother using protection either. When my mom got pregnant on the first go, he wanted an abortion. No responsibility.
He tried to hide his autism from my also autistic mother. They didn’t understand autism back then. She herself considered aborting me out of fear of having a retarded child. She zoned out for weeks, and when she learned I was a girl, she believed god had blessed her. For she thought girls can’t be autistic.
Lo and behold, my sister and I were neglected intellectually, socially, and emotionally. Because they did not understand parents supposed to teach children, not threaten them with a belt when the kid doesn’t adhere to their autistic whims/expectations.
We raised ourselves with 0 guidence and am I far behind the average person. They are both not asocial, lonely and happy we exist as a means to reduce their misery.
They should never have had children. Life is a mess.
My father bounced on my mother, thinking me and my twin sister died during childbirth. We were split up to keep.it that way. She grew up like royalty, with everything a child could possibly want or need, while I grew up in the desert with my aunt and uncle, who were both unfortunately killed while.I was in my late teens.
They’d lied to me about who my father really was after I was reunited with my sister, and the first time I ever met him I found out first hand how cruel he could be and I unfortunately lost my hand in the fray.
Despite this, he tried everything he could to get me to come work for him and his asshole boss. And mentor.
Ultimately he redeemed himself when he threw that wrinkled prick.down an 3levator shaft, but died soon after.
Life’s a mess.
hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 27 May 2024 10:56
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Hey I’ve seen this movie
peopleproblems@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 13:45
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Man my birth control seems way safer and way more effective. It’s called: “Obesity, Trichotillomania, and absolutely fuck all confidence.”
the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works
on 25 May 2024 14:17
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Trichotillomania
I looked that up. Ouch! Is it ok if i ask whether it hurts or feels ‘good’ to do? You have an urge, or is it like a nervous tic? I’m curious what it is like if’n it’s no trouble
Kase@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 14:31
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Not the person you responded to, but for me it comes and goes as a result of OCD. It does hurt, but not terribly. To describe the urge, it’s a bit like if there’s a big bug on your arm. Once you notice it, it’s difficult to not immediately swat it away, and until you do get it off, you’re gonna be very aware that there’s a bug on your arm. It’s pretty much the same feeling, just directed toward hair instead of bug.
It might be totally different for other people, but that’s just my experience.
the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works
on 25 May 2024 14:42
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…there’s a bug on your arm. It’s pretty much the same feeling…
I may be getting the wrong idea cus of the analogy, but is it directed towards a general spot on your scalp or do you feel like a specific follicle crawling on you you must remove? Wait, does talking about it increase the urge? Sorry if so, I’m really curious
Ah fuck, I worded that poorly. No, talking about it is fine, but thanks for asking! I don’t mean the physical sensation is the same, like how you can feel a bug on your arm. Speaking for myself, it’s like the mental reaction of “ick there’s a bug on my arm, I have to get it off”. There’s no physical itch or tickle on my skin. I was trying to make that comparison because generally when there’s a bug on you, it doesn’t bother you if you don’t notice it, and you might not even realize it’s there for a while. But once you notice it or someone points it out, it’d be hard to just ignore it, even if you couldn’t feel it on your skin at all.
As I’m typing this out, I’m realizing that it’s possible that not everyone experiences quite as strong a reaction to having a bug on their skin that I do, especially as a person with ocd, lmao. But if you do, well, hopefully this helps!
the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works
on 25 May 2024 17:43
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Thank you, it does!
peopleproblems@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 16:17
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Yeah. Usually an itch for me
peopleproblems@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 16:24
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Honestly the pain may be the part that causes the addiction. For me it started when I was 11. I was stressed, untreated for ADHD, and an eyelash was in the way so I just plucked it. The result was immediate relaxation. The next time I got an eyelash I just plucked it before I got stressed. Then I started plucking em when I was bored. Then puberty came and I got the same obsession with ance. That was a long one, then it went to these weird gland things in my mouth for a little bit, then it started on my beard which is by far the worst. It doesn’t hurt anymore, but the moment it itches, fuck everything.
It’s not an urgent anymore it’s like scratching an itch. It’s automatic. I can’t control it undless I have gloves or wrist braces for the carpal tunnel doing this gave me.
the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works
on 25 May 2024 16:39
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Aargh ive had carpal tunnel to the point i had a brace on my WoW arm (though probably not as severe as yours). I have ADD too and scratch my scalp to where it bleeds when I’m nervous. Oops now im making it bout me lol. I actually just wanted to thank you taking the time to write up this detailed comment. So thanks!
altima_neo@lemmy.zip
on 25 May 2024 14:46
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Can’t help you with Trichotillomania but hitting the gym tends to help with weight and confidence. I don’t know your situation but I was bordering on obesity and I was suggested 10min warmup + stronglifts 5x5 + 10min cool down as a routine. I did it for almost a year and it definitely had a impact on my weight and confidence.
If you’re not sure where to start have a session with a personal trainer with the purpose of setting up your own routine and then just stick with it. It feels really hard at first but after you start seeing results it’ll get easier.
It certainly helps with fitness, and somewhat with confidence, but just being fit isn’t going to get you laid. I’d also see a therapist regularly for the mental and emotional parts of health.
peopleproblems@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 22:27
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Which is exactly why I’m treating both at the same time. Doc got me on Wegovy, and starting out playing beat saber (holy shit 30 minutes of that is incredible, sweat, aches everywhere, maybe not visible progress but damn I feel like moving is less effort) and in therapy for everything in my life.
Right now I’m learning my strengths. Hard to do for someone without a lot of confidence.
prole@sh.itjust.works
on 25 May 2024 14:31
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When some “every sperm is sacred” loons in Alabama (probably calling themselves “the Sons of Oman” or some corny shit, decides to sue, l imagine it’ll be treated the same way they have treated women’s contraception and medical abortion.
Surely.
bizzle@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 14:54
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Sons of Onan is unironically a pretty good name for an anti-masturbation extremist group
Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 17:32
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CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work
on 25 May 2024 16:05
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There’s a fair amount of talk in the comments for and against condoms. Has anyone considered a custom fit silicone penis sleeve as a more pleasurable alternative?
Which if they haven’t tested them, which is an easy thing to prove for them, then this should not be recommended by you, or anyone, as a contraceptive.
It’s like my ex trying to tell her birthcontrol is working just fine because she took 3 pills at once after forgetting to take it twice in a row even though the manufacturer says if you dont follow the directions you have to start the initial waiting period over again, because “i think they have to say that” (she also used those exact words)
Bad advice is bad advice. Why should anyone ever trust their future and also their health by listening to your advice that directly opposes the manufacturers warning. They are legally liable for their product, you are just some random person potentially ruining peoples lives with your opinions.
I hope they sue you for damages before anyone fucks up their life by being convinced by your bad attitude
CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work
on 26 May 2024 01:20
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I mean, cotton swab manufacturers have to include an instruction not to clean your ears with their product, but let’s be real: that’s what they’re for.
And any audiologist or ENT will back them up and also tell you not to do that and then give you examples of known reasons why they also say dont use them
CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work
on 26 May 2024 02:03
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But they’re just the right size and it feels so good.
Jesus fucking christ you are just trolling, and im walking right into it. What waste of time
CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work
on 26 May 2024 06:39
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🙏
humdrumgentleman@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 16:20
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Friendly reminder of the core problem: medical treatments are all balanced against the risk of what it counteracts.
Undergoing physical and chemical changes to grow another creature inside you and have it damage everything on the way out is pretty risky. Female birth control only has to be less risky than that.
A male has zero physiological risk from impregnating someone. Therefore, anything except a miracle drug with high efficacy and almost zero side effects is going to stall at the trial stage.
On another note, that speaks to how safe and effective vasectomies are.
OmgItBurns@discuss.online
on 25 May 2024 16:26
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I will say this as often as I can, getting the ol snip snip was the best decision I’ve ever made.
kameecoding@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 18:30
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Do you have kids or did you never want them?
OmgItBurns@discuss.online
on 26 May 2024 19:32
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Never wanted them, pretty sure I’d have a mental breakdown if I tried to raise one
rudyharrelson@kbin.social
on 27 May 2024 15:28
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Not that guy, but I have one kid who I love to bits. Got a vasectomy when he was 2 years old cause we would explode if we had a second kid, lol. One is enough for us. We've been incredibly fortunate so we decided we didn't need any more surprises.
The doc who did mine was a military vet who went into urology after serving. I remember reading the pamphlet on the operation and it said the vasectomy only took 15 minutes. I asked him, "It only takes 15 minutes??" and he responded, "Eight."
I like a good speedrun as much as the next guy, but I told him to take his sweet time lol. Ain't in no rush, doc.
Recovery was super chill. Couldn't roughhouse with my son for a week or two, and that's about it. I've got some fun titanium clamps chilling in my junk now, so that's fun. I'm basically Wolverine.
TK420@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 21:56
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Who doesn’t love cream pies!?!?!?!
Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 22:06
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Agreed. I have zero regret.
bamfic@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 18:10
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Written by someone who has never had to pay child support.
HauntedCupcake@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 21:57
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Yeah zero psychological risk is a bit of an overstatement. Zero physical maybe, but there’s definitely psychological risks, and I’m not even thinking about child support
Edit: I can’t read, it says physiological and I’m just deficient in the reading
Jax@sh.itjust.works
on 25 May 2024 22:03
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They said Physiological not Psychological. There’s a considerable difference between those two words.
I meant their meanings, rather than their spellings lol.
HauntedCupcake@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 22:50
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My bad, I can’t read 🤦
AdamEatsAss@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 23:09
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Have you ever had a toddler hit you over the head with a plastic bat? There IS physical risk in raising a child.
troglodytis@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 23:31
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Upvoting the edit
constantokra@lemmy.one
on 26 May 2024 15:32
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There are also plenty of medical reasons for even sexually inactive women to take hormonal birth control. This isn’t only about pregnancy, which as you say can have all sorts of physical consequences.
scorpious@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 17:28
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Wear a rubber kids. No one likes a raunchy coochie/schlong
Kolanaki@yiffit.net
on 25 May 2024 23:38
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No one likes a raunchy coochie/schlong
Untrue. There are some people that specifically seek that, along with the STDs called “bug chasers.” Since I’ve been cursed with this knowledge, so must you all be.
Altruistic_Flower@lemmy.world
on 26 May 2024 00:01
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There were bug chasers during the pandemic, too. >_>
Slovene@feddit.nl
on 26 May 2024 09:44
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Just have a Jolly Rancher then.
cro_magnon_gilf@sopuli.xyz
on 26 May 2024 12:13
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Honestly, I think condoms are unrealistic. Fucking with a condom is so totally useless that you almost feel a bit resentful of the woman after. Like she has bad minge or something. The first time I had sex I was a good boy and used a condom and I just quit after a while, and sat down and wondered what the fuck was wrong. She thought I’d finished.
Saying “wear a rubber” is stupid. For a lot of people, sex with a condom is completely useless. I’ll wear one the first time with a woman as I ofc want to get imtimate, but the sex itself will be useless.
frankspurplewings@lemmy.world
on 26 May 2024 15:02
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If you aren’t creative enough to get off, then sex with you is probably useless too. 🤷🏼♀️
But lame ass roasting aside, being responsible during sex is important. Being able to communicate your wants and needs is absolutely necessary. I’ll tell you that I also hated condoms during sex, but it took being with my partner about six months before I felt comfortable enough to bring up a discussion about having sex without condoms. We then talked about the risks of accidental pregnancy, STDs, and my hormones and birth control.
In the long term, the time period we used condoms was worth it because we learned each other’s bodies, as well as each other’s personalities. Once we did move to sex without condoms, it was sooooo much better, but we also were better communicators and the sex was wayyy more fun.
You have to be willing to put in the time and effort and trust that leads to a real connection first.
cro_magnon_gilf@sopuli.xyz
on 26 May 2024 15:22
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If you aren’t creative enough to get off, then sex with you is probably useless too. 🤷🏼♀️
But lame ass roasting aside
Not gonna pretend that I don’t deserve it, or that I’m very polite either, but beginning every response with an insult is not some clever ‘roasting’.
I don’t agree with you that it should take half a year of learning your partner for sex to be good. If you’re attentive and interested in getting your partner off, then you can do that the first time, or certainly atleast in a shorter time than that. But it’s going to differ between different people ofc.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 18:32
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for the downvoters, it’s a song from a Monthy Python movie, so comedy (and great one at that!)
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 25 May 2024 18:34
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can’t wait for the inevitable surge of pregnancies, as people learn that that sperm doesn’t just fucking disappear, and that it needs to be manually cleared first.
blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 19:10
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Pharmaceutical companies just aren’t interested in it.
EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de
on 25 May 2024 21:13
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the first trials for this resulted in men becoming sterile and then killing themselves.
And then a bunch of female comedians made fun of them for “being a little moody”
Hackworth@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 23:15
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Women’s birth control hasn’t exactly been side-effect-free, what with the strokes. But also, sauce?
AeonFelis@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 23:52
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Pretty sure that was a joke…
EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de
on 26 May 2024 00:33
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Women’s birth control hasn’t exactly been side-effect-free,
I never said otherwise.
Hackworth@lemmy.world
on 26 May 2024 00:36
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Okay.
triclops6@lemmy.ca
on 25 May 2024 23:50
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Did this happen? Or was this a satirical take on something that happened to women?
Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world
on 26 May 2024 03:01
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The point of the joke is not that they think men are being babies about it. It is that women’s birth control causes these same side effects, along with strokes, and a number of other serious, long term issues. However when women say they do not want to take birth control, and instead opt for doing things that require more responsibility of the man, they are often told similar things concerning the negative effects they get when using it, and they should just deal with it.
EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de
on 26 May 2024 04:35
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birth control for women doesn’t make a woman permanently sterile like the drug trials for male birth control did for men
twig@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 26 May 2024 05:20
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That is actually not true. Not downplaying the significance of these effects, but…
In the 60s and 70s a large number of planned parenthood clinics were in low-income and predominantly black neighbourhoods, aimed at reducing the number of black babies.
In the same era birth control (more appropriately termed eugenics) programs forcibly sterilized black and indigenous women. Where it was presented as an option, the consequence for not following through on these doctor’s “recommendations,” were threats to withhold healthcare or public assistance.
The statistics through the 60s and 70s were that roughly 1 in 4 indigenous women were non-consenually sterilized.
But also, yeah, the results of this trial are fucked and people are right to be skeptical of this drug.
AlpacaChariot@lemmy.world
on 26 May 2024 11:34
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I had assumed the women weren’t sterilised by the normal contraceptive meds, but it seems they used a large dose of Depo-Provera which is a legit contraceptive injection. Not the usual pills but still.
There are also stories in that article of people having forced hysterectomies.
America’s history of racism is so dark.
Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world
on 26 May 2024 06:29
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Sorry it’s very rare to cause the least of the issues on that list, must mean they don’t have a point.
JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee
on 26 May 2024 12:44
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Maybe not, but female hormonal birth control can cause liver tumors and blood clots. Can’t have more kids if a blood clot kills you.
The moral of the story should be safer contraceptives for everyone…
Unfortunately for women they weigh the side effects of hormonal birth control against those of a pregnancy. Since pregnancy also increases the chance of blood clots and other things they just say “good enough!” And put it on the market…which is bullshit. Either way we’re at higher risk of serious health issues.
That’s why women are angry. I feel confident saying the majority of women dont want unsafe bc for men. We want more research into safer bc options available for us too.
hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 27 May 2024 10:48
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pipows@lemmy.today
on 26 May 2024 16:23
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Birth control was always prohibited im Christianity (at least Catholics, the ones I know the most about), from condom to pills to IUD, this won’t change it.
Any christian that is against one kind of birth control but in ok with other is just freestyling dogmas
BrownianMotion@lemmy.world
on 27 May 2024 12:16
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Catholics yes, Protestant no. Both are Christianity.
You need to read more, or at least watch some Monty Python.
englislanguage@lemmy.sdf.org
on 26 May 2024 06:26
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Has anyone heard about the andro-switch ring before? It is supposed to work without taking any pills and be free of side effects (except for carrying a silicone ring around the testicles).
www.medscape.com/viewarticle/986261
Alerian@sh.itjust.works
on 26 May 2024 06:41
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Yes I’m using it. It works as expected
Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee
on 26 May 2024 09:22
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Looks like you have to wear it for at least 15 hours a day for several months before it’s effective…
cro_magnon_gilf@sopuli.xyz
on 26 May 2024 12:56
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I will never ever trust this. Not with how gender/maleness is treated these days. What ‘they’ consider safe can be entirely political and ideology-based, rather than a biological fact.
ShunkW@lemmy.world
on 26 May 2024 13:02
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Found the incel
JudahBenHur@lemm.ee
on 26 May 2024 13:29
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good god.
go back into your cave and stop telling people what you think, please.
Luccus@feddit.de
on 26 May 2024 13:31
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Who’s “they”?
If it’s Urologists, like, those are the experts.
If it’s someone on Twitter, they don’t matter.
If it’s women as a whole… oh, boy. Dude.
If it’s “the jews”, OH. BOY. DUDE. HOW EVEN?
cro_magnon_gilf@sopuli.xyz
on 26 May 2024 14:10
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It’s not jews, it’s not women, and it’s not strictly urologists. It’s everyone in government and the medical field who can influence what is and isn’t considered OK.
i2ndshenanigans@lemmy.world
on 26 May 2024 16:53
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Time to loosen your tinfoil hat it’s starting to cut of circulation.
Fedizen@lemmy.world
on 26 May 2024 14:45
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statistically, you’ll probably die in a car crash but the news doesnt even report auto accidents anymore.
JudahBenHur@lemm.ee
on 26 May 2024 13:30
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god damn the comments on this post are the fucking wild west
Shelbyeileen@lemmy.world
on 26 May 2024 15:11
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Finally! Finally they’re trying to take the bullets out of the gun instead of trying to make a stronger bulletproof vest. I feel cautiously optimistic!
I’m a bit jealous that there’s no side effects, though. Depo made me gain 30lbs in ONE month. I’m lucky it made my tits significantly bigger (Went from a B to a DD), but that was not a fun experience.
Spaceballstheusername@lemmy.world
on 26 May 2024 15:25
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I’ve heard of a male birth control every couple years and still nothing on the market. Usually it’s because there are slight side effects and that’s considered to much of a risk meanwhile female birth control can cause blood clots and whatnot. I’m too jaded to believe this will ever come to fruition.
mojo_raisin@lemmy.world
on 26 May 2024 15:40
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So only the lucky unfit sperm destined to produce one who wears a red cap will be able to successfully fertilize the egg?
Cosmicomical@lemmy.world
on 26 May 2024 19:28
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Don’t forget also the male morning-after pill: you take it the next day, it changes your blood group
intensely_human@lemm.ee
on 26 May 2024 19:43
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Safe, cheap, permanent but trivially reversible male birth control was invented in 1979 and has yet to be approved for US sale.
SuperCub@sh.itjust.works
on 26 May 2024 20:00
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Can you share more info?
intensely_human@lemm.ee
on 26 May 2024 21:32
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RISUG is a technique by which a polymer with specific electrical properties is injected into the vas
deferens. This polymer messes up the flagella on sperm that pass nearby. Since “nearby” is a distance larger than the radius of the vas deferens, this means all sperm passing through get their flagellum screwed up, can no longer swim, and is therefore immotile.
It makes the man essentially sterile, until he wants to reverse the effect at which point a second injection simply washes the original polymer layer off the inner lining.
pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online
on 26 May 2024 21:35
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Probably talking about RISUG, although the US equivalent is Vasagel.
Basically Vasagel plugs up the Vas Deferens so sperm can’t get out, and RISUG rips sperm to shreds as they come out. It lasts for 10 years, and is reversible with a shot of baking soda.
RISUG is approved in India (where it was developed), and Vasagel is being developed by a foundation instead of a pharmaceutical company, so progress has been slow.
intensely_human@lemm.ee
on 28 May 2024 18:43
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It does not plug up the vas deferens. One of the (many) advantages RISUG has over vasectomy is that it doesn’t block material from flowing through the vas
deferens, and hence avoids the complications from that aspect of vasectomy.
pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online
on 28 May 2024 19:43
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I said that.
intensely_human@lemm.ee
on 29 May 2024 19:13
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Wait, vasalgel is a plug? Are you sure?
I’ve been giving Parsemus foundation money for over a decade, and never knew that.
Actually I stopped giving them money because their original super far-out date to
market was 2018, and 2018 sort of quietly sailed by without mention of it
pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online
on 29 May 2024 20:02
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Yup, it’s a plug
Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world
on 27 May 2024 08:46
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I find it strange that many people here are against this when the alternative is a surgical treatment that often can’t be easily reversed, and even when it is, often lowers the likelihood they will have a kid.
Chemical solutions are way better in that regard because if they are done right they don’t damage any tissue and their affects are temporary.
Oh yeah, I’ll just tell my wife that we’re never having sex again because we’ve now got enough kids. I’m sure this will be a healthy and emotionally viable way of strengthening our relationship over the next 30 years or so until the menopause.
Fuck yes, sexual repression what a banger idea that is modern and haven’t even been considered for literally thousands of years and proven abusive to exactly every human being on the planet
Socsa@sh.itjust.works
on 27 May 2024 10:05
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I’m not against it but you’d have to be crazy to trust a guy who doesn’t want to use a condom because he swears he’s on the pill. It seems like it opens up a wild new avenue for sexual assault.
The reality is that the consequences of sex are asymmetric. I suppose this is an interesting option for couples in a relationship though.
BrownianMotion@lemmy.world
on 27 May 2024 12:12
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asymmetric?
Like you’ve ever trusted a woman that has said “It’s okay, I’m on the pill” first time you hit the sheets?
applepie@kbin.social
on 28 May 2024 03:35
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Society doesn't consider that a crime tho
udon@lemmy.world
on 27 May 2024 09:58
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Honestly, as a dude, I’m 100% down for male birth control. Can’t wait.
Hopefully it less hormonal side affects than the female pill. But yeah having an extra level of protection will be nice.
“Extra Level”? It's more about taking the burden off the women for me. Why do they, and only they, always have to mess up their bodies?
What do you mean by always? The birth control makes sense because it’s much harder to do it for men because sperm is constantly being produced and women only release 1 egg per month. What other ways do women have to mess up their bodies?
This is a really dumb take. The onus of birth control should not be only on the women.
Condoms are a thing
Condoms don’t work for everyone’s body.
Edit: to be clear I’m saying it’s not that simple. There should be more options for anyone with a penis to be able to handle this important implication of having sex. For anyone in general, more options are always good.
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I know you’re joking but there are size restrictions on condoms in the US where I live, so no they don’t.
Edit: also, body shaming is gross.
Calling someone dumb isn’t a good way to start a discussion. When men wear condoms how can you claim the onus is on women? My wife didn’t want to take hormones so I wore condoms, every couple has that option.
I didn’t call them dumb, I called the statement a really dumb take, not the same thing.
Forgetting about pregnancy and childbirth perhaps? I take it that they meant those things fuck up women’s bodies pretty severely sometimes. It’s a tough struggle to recover from pregnancy and childbirth, and some never do.
But apart from that, birth control should be an equal burden, IMO.
Oh, wow, do you come off as uninformed! Birth control for women has tons and tons of side effects, and it's in no way easier to prevent successful ovulation than it is to prevent fertile sperm production. In fact, birth control drugs for men have been repeatedly blocked by regulators for having too many side effects, while those side effects pretty closely mirror those of the pill for women. So, interfering with everything from blood pressure to appetite is acceptable when women are affected, but can't be burdened upon men?
Interrupting the ovulation cycle comes at great cost for the body. All the “non-hormonal” ways of birth control we have (except the condom) require either poisonous metals and foreign objects to be pushed inside the uterus, increasing the risk for cysts, causing pain, and regular checkups and painful procedures to be applied or fitted (diaphragm). Or toxins to be applied straight into a woman's private parts (spermicides). Calendar-based methods and “pulling out” have large margins of error, as have condoms.
Do the copper IEDs have negative side effects? I thought the objection to those was purely moral.
Edit: I meant IUD lol
Yep.
Firstly: Disregarding the discomfort of having to see the doctor and having something shoved inside your body is a weird mistake, especially men tend to make regularly when talking about those things. Having your genitals exposed to and then painfully tampered with by what is ultimately a stranger isn't a thing most people would describe as a pleasant afternoon activity.
The side effects aren't just from hormones. Imagine having to do a prostate exam every 6 months and a metal plug shoved close to your prostate through your urethra every few years (not the same, of course, just an attempt at an analogy, since men are one hole short down there). Wouldn't you dislike that? Many women are really sensitive around their cervix and implanting the IUD can therefore be really painful.
Secondly: Period cramps increase in severity, bleeding increases for most people, and there are hints that those IUDs can increase the risk for cysts, which in turn cause issues, pain and sometimes need surgical removal.
The two women I dated that had an implanted IUD legit didn't have a period anymore. So not only was the bleeding and cramps not worse, they simply didn't exist.
You honestly seem to just trying to be pushing some agenda, possibly because you had a bad experience and you're assuming that's just the way it is for everyone, when the reality is it's pretty rare.
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control/iud/iud-side-effects
Periods going away or getting lighter is a side affect of hormonal IUDs. Copper IUDs have no mechanism to make them go away, and seem to pretty commonly make cramps and bleeding worse. .
IEDs have very negative effects, but you wouldn’t really call them side-effects.
And IUDs involve surgery which has its own risks including perforating the uterus, plus they can become infected and cause sepsis which is deadly, plus in general infections suck. Some women suffer immense pain which may or may not be ignored by their doctors. They also do release hormones which have fewer side effects because they’re more local, but they’re not side effect free.
Many of these issues were much worse in the earlier days, where many women died or suffered serious illness and permanent infertility whilst doctors didn’t take them seriously because women are often ignored by doctors where men would not be. So the level of safety the devices now have was bought with a lot of women’s unnecessary suffering.
verywellhealth.com/iud-risks-and-complications-90…
My wife got repeated infections and had a lot of pain from the copper iud.
If you go looking for testimonials you’ll find numerous people who had bad experiences with it.
Also, they really should offer anesthetic or at least a powerful painkiller for the insertion and removal procedures. Doctors act like it’s no big deal, but it’s very painful.
Yet another case of the medical industry not caring one iota about women and women’s ability to identify what is going on with their own bodies. The number of times I’ve heard of doctors dismissing women’s pain and issues makes me want to scream.
I know it has many side effects. My girfriend suffered many of them when she was taking the pill and I had to beg her to stop because it just was not worth it.
And fuck off of course it’s easier to stop ovulation than sperm production. It’s a numbers game. Also not like I fucking made hormonal birth control. What we have now is bad and you can go ahead and find a better alternative with less side effects. That does not mean the new birth control should also have side effects. Take issue with the people that approved the current ones.
A “numbers game”? Do you think there are little men in your balls, strangulating every sperm cell when it's formed? Or… do you think the pill works by somehow interfering with the ovum itself?
Because it doesn't. Quite the opposite. Just as male contraception methods don't try to kill sperm, but to shut down the factory. Besides: You cannot measure the difficulty or complexity of medical procedures by how many cells are affected. By that logic, brain surgery would be way easier to do than amputating a leg.
What I meant is that it’s easier to ensure it works being a numbers game. If you constantly have new sperm being made it’s way harder to shut that down consistently than to stop one egg releasing once per month.
That’s not how any of this works. Did you never take reproductive anatomy?
No. Where would I take that?
In school. But I’m sure you could gather the essentials from the internet.
We had sex ed but we never went really deep.
Let me put it this way, with an imperfect analogy. If you poison the water supply, it doesn’t matter how many people drink from it. They all die.
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Woah there, you shouldn't berate someone, belittling them for being “too young” and then act like a child in the supermarket when they didn't get the Matchbox Car they wanted. Jeez!
Haha you’re right, usually i avoid the youth angle. But his comments smelled so youthful the words came out on their own. only the young get mad at the insult so i think in moderation it’s a good tool
Honestly, as glad as this article makes me, I’d still like to see a perfect birth control for women. Periods seem like they must be the worst part of being a woman (biologically, not socially). Having a temporary, reversible way to stop ovulation without fucking up a dozen related systems and causing physical and mental anguish would be nice.
Obviously it depends on the relationship and how risk averse you both are. But yeah why not both? Seems like a pretty good way to be really sure!
You can already do that with condoms and no one is messing up their body…
Exactly.
Condoms would be 99% effective if they could be made idiot-proof.
Sucks you’re being down voted, I mean maybe saying “idiot-proof” isn’t nice but comprehensive sex ed should cover helping those with a noodle understand how to find ones that fit comfortably and what main causes there are for breakage n whatnot. I’m currently having that discussion with my sex buddy, and I can’t tell you the amount of times I’ve had people try to coerce me into letting them go raw dog in the past. Like keep in mind I’m in a state that has not only criminalized abortion but is defunding all planned parenthoods now.
It’s the Internet.
People downvote a lot of stuff.
Bummer.
2/3 of the states will follow in another year. That’s what happens when we elect people no matter how badly they do their jobs.
I’m not voting for this scum, but yeah, we’ll see. Hoping it’ll make it to the ballot so the people can actually vote to amend the state constitution like others have. The people may be dumb at electing Representatives, but get a straight forward measure up for vote and the people seem to follow through in correcting it.
Condoms are only 99% effective. You NEED a second layer of defence.
They’re 100% effective, the only reason there said to be 99% effective is to prevent lawsuits from people using then incorrectly.
I’m a human, I can make mistakes in the heat of the moment. I’ve had friend couples I know get pregnant even though they’re “professional condom putters onners”.
It’s not the condom’s fault if you make a mistake. Condom material doesn’t let sperm through, it’s that simple, it’s been used incorrectly if it did. Companies don’t want to lose time and money with lawsuits hence 99%.
Also, anecdotal evidence while you weren’t in bed with them isn’t much of a proof, it’s as valid as me telling you I’ve never got any girl pregnant even when we weren’t using any protection therefore pulling out is 100% effective.
we can finally share the load and mess up everyone because of not affording babies!
yeah, not wanting 10 children is a matter of cost, of course. It's baffling to me how unreflected and naive opinions regarding reproduction still are...
Right? I’m at the point where I can’t possibly fathom the thought process of bringing a child into this world.
I've got one, but I wouldn't want another one every year, and I certainly would not want to stop having fun times with the wife either...
i was half joking but i use contraceptives because i cant afford one.
i’m not even thinking about 10 and never will.
Sorry. I’m a child.
If only your dad had had this pill
You seem nice.
The hippocratic oath, in this case. Medicine is all about risk management, the worse the “disease,” the more tolerant we are of side effects for the cure. Pregnancy and birth are still pretty traumatic events that, while much safer than they used to be, are still dangerous. Female BC just has to be less risky than that. Male BC on the other hand, has to be as low the risk for a man impregnating a woman, which is to say, almost zero. Pretty much any negative side effect is worse than that, so it’s very difficult to pass. I would gladly take one with comparable side effects to female BC, but sometimes unflinching ethics are inconvenient. Better than the alternative, but still.
The Hippocratic oath is not a thing in most countries and not applicable anyway. If it was, kidney transplants would be done without a doctor present (in the US that is, don't overestimate your little made up oath ritual internationally)
Hippocrates wasn’t American and the oath was made sometime around the 4th century BCE. It’s been part of medical tradition since then (at least if you follow ancient Greek tradition)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath
While that is indubitably correct, the only jurisdiction I know that makes binding references to whatever is used as “Hippocratic oath” is the U.S.
Thanks! TIL
It’s medical ethics, not the Hippocratic Oath. Most doctors swear to an ethical standard. Besides, “first, do no harm” is a bit unhelpful if you’re a surgeon.
Otherwise you’re right, the risks of pregnancy outweigh the side effects of birth control, which is why birth control for women doesn’t have as high a standard for mitigating other consequences.
Somehow, we manage to accept organ transplants despite it hurting one healthy person a little to help an unhealthy person a lot. What’s stopping us from treating birth control the same way?
Same. I’ve always preferred to be in full control of my own contraception, mostly because I just don’t trust anyone else with something that consequential
Will definitely be awesome when all parties have comfortable, reliable, safe options to protect themselves
Agreed. Always better to unload the gun rather than try to stop it with armor
She would still have to either trust him or take birth control herself as well.
You’re always supposed to use multiple methods regardless.
Pullout game strong af. Using it for years.
Having said that, I don’t recommend it.
Edit: the down votes 😆 I said I don’t recommend it! At least I’m responsible towards others!
I have two kids already, we take good care of them. Having another one would just mean more love. Don’t worry guys. 😊❤️
What’s pullout
Oh my dear child ❤️
It’s a type of couch/sofa that turns into a bed
And we wonder why teen pregnancy is such a problem.
Nobody here seens to have answered it so:
The pull-out “method” is when a person pulls their penis out of a vagina before they ejaculate. It’s not effective because you can’t be sure you’ve timed it right and some sperm can still escape before ejacualtion. It’s a shitty “method”. Don’t use it like the idiot above.
Alright thanks for the response !
I take offense to you calling me an idiot. That’s not fair. I have extremely good ejaculation control. But I still obviously don’t recommend this to anyone else. It’s a shitty method if you leak a little bit during sexual activity, too, which I never do.
Do note that we often time sex to low fertility sectors in the menstrual cycle.
Again. Do not use this method. (But no need to hate on someone it does work well for, wtf.)
It’s been working for my wife and I for five years, but it’s a low risk situation for us since we could handle another kid if I ever had a whoopsie daisy.
It’s good that you also weigh the risk against your ability to raise another one. That’s the true responsibility right there. Unprotected sex I feel is only ever irresponsible if you run a risk of infecting someone or making a baby that you don’t want to or can’t raise properly.
I wish you and your wife the best in your lives together. ❤️
Ironically, in the hands of an experienced practitioner, the pullout method is very effective at preventing pregnancy.
The problem comes when it’s a kid trying it for the first time having sex, or someone not in full control of their facilities towards the end of sex. Easy to get caught up and “forget” if you’re having a good time.
Yeah, that’s me. I have extremely good ejaculation control and know myself very well at the end of sex. Like, I’ve been using it for like 20 years. And the two times I actually wanted to make children we became pregnant immediately, so we are both very fertile. So I know it’s working well.
But as you say, you have to be experienced to trust it. It was more scary in the beginning.
Is any birth control really trust free?
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The only thing that works is abstinence. It’s like handling a gun. Don’t put your dick in something that you can impregnate unless you’re ready for kids.
Disclaimer: This comment is not meant to be taken seriously. Even though it’s true.
Worked for me. Still don’t have kind
Worked for me, turned gay. Five stars/zero kids.
Keep trying! You’ll get his ass gregnant one day if you try hard enough!
or girl’s ass, I’m not sure which kinda gay you are!
I know it puts me at odds with probably every sex ed curriculum, but I don’t think abstinence counts as birth control because it’s not coitus that risks pregnancy. It’s like saying ice skating is birth control.
Be me
Condom. You can see that it’s there. Closest you can get.
It is pretty easy to tamper with a condom in invisible ways, from poking holes or letting it expire, to stealthing. Hell, you can even cook the condom at low heat for a while in its package and you will cause significant structural damage to it, without even bruising most packaging.
Even a freshly bought condom and a little sleight of hand can go a long way into tampering. No birth control is trust free.
Get a vasectomy, it’s pretty close
The other party still has to trust that you actually got it and all the rest of the sperm have passed.
Lab tested and certified baby, I’d put it on my resume if that wasn’t weird
Would have to add some cryptography to that certificate to make it trustless.
New cryptocurrency in 3… 2…
I was just thinking about good old fashioned PGP lol.
But then you’re trusting every doctor’s office to only sign off on men that are snipped. You need a decentralized oracle with random inspections from local sperm auditors.
I mean, a baseline trust in medical practice should be a given. Maybe not.
Penis Gay Pregnancy
… in mice.
Vasectomy gang 😎😎✂️✂️ All juice no seeds
I got mine from Dr. Dick Chopp.
Dr. Richard Chopin.
Too subtle?
I gave myself one with a pair of rusty nail clippers, it worked well.
You’re missing the delicious smoke!
I had a GP named Richard Cutter.
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How was the recovery process? I keep meaning to do it (we’re done having kids), but we keep having trips or whatever, so excuses pile up.
How soon could I be back doing active things? I have young kids, so “active” to me means roughhousing with the kids and whatnot.
Not OP, but mine was really pretty manageable. 2 days of sitting in an easy chair and icing my balls, 2 days of “walking is fine, but avoid any sudden movements,” and a week of “it’s a little sore, but it doesn’t really hurt.” After that, it was about 2-3 weeks where I didn’t really notice it unless I moved the wrong way too suddenly (whereupon I’d get a quick twinge, but nothing too bad).
Really a pretty small cost for the benefits. I don’t really like painkillers, but I do recommend some THC gummies for the first week and a fresh series to binge
When I did mine, I drove myself home and put a bag of peas on there for the afternoon. I was fine pretty much right away, but I think medical advice says wait 3 days before you do anything wild.
Plus you have to ejaculate like 30 times in two weeks to clean out the pipes, but your sperm is still active so you can only do hand and mouth stuff. That was a pretty good two weeks.
It’s literally so easy and the peace of mind is really nice especially if you’re impulsive as fuck like me.
My brother only waited 2 days because he felt like he was recovering well. He said everything felt great right up to the point he nutted. Then it was like someone punched him in the balls. He was like "oh yes… oh yes… OH YES… OH GOD NO!!!
Pretty quick.
My kids are currently 5 and 2 had my vasectomy about 6 months after the second (wanted sooner but no appointments available, and it’s first consult then another appointment).
Toughest thing for me was the second day. Day of I was given Valium, procedure was easy peasy. I’d call it a few days of discomfort, just plan to take it easy.
Hmm I’m not sure. I got it over summer in college and work a desk job, so I got it done on friday, chilled all weekend on the couch watching movies, building legos, snacking, and icing my nuts, and I was back to work on monday
Make sure you get your own pain medication ahead of time. Mine was apparently worse than the other replies, and the doctor being stingy about meds made it needlessly terrible.
No I don’t otherwise do opiates. Doctors are just stingy because of the people who are on opiates.
I did the thing on ibuprofen. Your guys get serious pain medication for that?
Maybe my surgeon sucked, because it was definitely not an ibuprofen situation.
Good advice. I’ve never had surgery outside of wisdom teeth removal, and other than then, I’ve never used anything stronger than ibuprofen. I’ve taken some pretty rough spills, so I think I have a high pain tolerance, but I don’t know for sure.
The worst was over in a couple of days but for the next three months it stuff there was a slight discomfort in some situations
My close bois had a really easy time, they all said “something felt different for a week or two but life was normal otherwise”
A small percentage of dudes have a horrible time though, and that’s awful.
My recovery was honestly pretty bad. I was bed-ridden for about 2 weeks, then 8-ish months of aching pain all day every day. Not actually sure when it finally cleared up, I just realized I hadn’t felt the pain in a while. My first nut was about a month after the procedure, and that was also a very unpleasant experience.
My case is abnormal, but even more rare is the guys that continue to be in pain for the rest of their lives. Didn’t find out about that until I started digging deeper because of my persistent pain.
That said, I still 100% recommend getting it done.
I knew a guy who didn’t respond to the local anesthesia, and could feel the whole thing, and his doctor didn’t believe him.
Even he didn’t regret it.
Oh, yeah, my local wore off halfway through. When they applied more, it felt like they lit my nuts on fire.
Mine was rough too, about 6 months before I was normal.
Not a single fucking regret
I’m so sorry, that’s horrid! I have multiple friends who came home with no pain, didn’t do cum for a few weeks, and basically didn’t even notice anything.
That’s so fucking horrible, I wish you had a much better experience. At least you can dump in the gut eternally with no worries, though.
Dang that sucks your urologist / surgeon didn’t let you know about this. Mine was very clear that though it is rare (was quoted 1% which seems kind high to me) he doesn’t recommend going through with the procedure if you have testicular pain in your day to day as it could be a risk factor for having permanent pain afterwards
EVEN AFTER REVERSING THE PROCEDURE
Look, it’s SUPER rare. We still drive cars even though, using my state of California as an example, eight of us die on the roads every day.
But…
I could never forgive myself if my groin hurt thirty years from now because of a singular & highly-optional decision I made today.
Same with LASIK - some have dry eyes forever afterwards. Nooooooo
Not bad at all.
For the first week doc said no erections- turns out not getting hard was the hardest part. After that, it was like a month or so of no unprotected sex. It’s been a few years so I might not remember correctly, but I think he recommended like 15 to 20 ejaculations in that time frame. And I’m going to humble brag here- I’ve been blessed with a wife whose libido is way higher than mine. But that month, knowing that each orgasm was one step closer to her not having kids again- she made it her mission in life to knock those orgasms out as fast as I could get it up.
I didn’t really have any swelling that I can remember- I iced my scrotum for a few hours but it didn’t hurt too bad so I stopped after that. Some acetaminophen helped with the residual pain, and I think I had to take it easy for a couple of weeks- don’t lift anything heavy to strain your groin muscles.
All in all, I don’t regret it and highly recommend anyone who is done having children to get one.
How the hell is one supposed to avoid getting any erections? Morning wood isn’t exactly something people have any degree of control over…
Mine wasn’t too bad. I spent a couple days on the couch taking OTC pain killers, and was able to move around well enough to light house work after a couple days. Honestly the hardest part was the month waiting to have sex before I could confirm it worked.
I got mine last year. I was fully recovered in terms of physical activity within probably 4-5 days but I did get two very uncomfortable sperm granulomas that hung around for several days each. My nuts swelled up and turned purple so that was pretty fucking scary but it wasn’t anything dangerous. Just a lot of aching. But within a month I was completely back to normal.
Multiple of my friends reported being totally fine right after, with no pain. Not even frozen peas. But they all waited a couple weeks before doing cum again.
The Caveat is that it is permanent and irreversible for the average person with very few exceptions.
EDIT: added “for the average person”
Exactly, one of the best decisions I ever made
That’s kinda the point
Also why it isn’t a replacement for birth control.
There’s actually a pretty high success rate for surgical reversal. Some clinics hitting 90%. Still, not ideal.
Yeah, but how available are those clinics to the average person? I’ve never looked into it personally, but I assume travel is necessary and costs are out of pocket.
Absolutely a correct take, I’d say. I know that my insurance would cover it but this is the first time that I’ve EVER had insurance that would touch anything related to fertility (beyond female birth control) with a 10ft pole. I’d say that it’s fair to say that the average person in the US does not have access, mainly due to the awful level of “normal” for healthcare accessibility.
I’ve looked into it recently, myself. I wanted to see if the snip was an option due to how hormonal birth control impacts by wife. With the desire to still have kids at some point, it’s not a sure enough thing currently and is not recommended for people like me (“if you’re looking into reversibility, it’s probably not for you”). When I last looked a decade ago, success rates were topping out around 60-70%. Advances in surgical technique and technology have really improved things though. If only something like vasalgel would actually see availability - I’m not confident though, after two decades of failure.
Successful reversal meaning they managed to glue the tubes back together. Successful pregnancies are significantly lower afaik
Another caveat is that it’s not allowed for men under 25 in my country (Sweden). “My body - my choice” only applies to one gender lol
edit: Although, to be fair, sterilisation is also not allowed for women under 25. They do ofc have many more options though
I’m worried about pain. Also pain lasting a long/ permanent time.
Also I had epididymitis already. So maybe I shouldn’t go for it.
But too many guys get lied to and end up with a kid they didn’t want. That’s my biggest worry.
I don’t trust drug companies not to mess up.
Honestly this is valid. I wouldn’t take this immediately. I would wait a few years to see if there are any side effects, too much money to be made.
That’s why they do clinical trials
Original article:
doi.org/10.1126/science.adl2688
Awesome!
I can’t find much on the mechanism of action (serine/threonine kinase antagonism), other than it’s been tried to fight cancer and failed, hopefully it doesn’t have any terrible side effects.
It sounds safer than the retinoic acid antagonist one that was posted a while ago anyway, I can’t imagine a drug that does the opposite of tretinoin will be popular.
Not saying the pill won’t eventually appear but the track record for men contraception hitting the market is not good. It always get cancelled in an endless loop of disapointment.
People serious about sharing the load or protecting women from the aide effect of birth control should look up vasectomy or thermal contraception. It works.
I’ve been on thermal contraception for 6months myself and my sperm production bas completely stoped with no side effects. Highly recommend.
Hehe “sharing the load”
Should be noted vasectomies aren’t reliably reversible after a certain point, but if you know you don’t want kids, by all means. I’d rather my partner take that leap than me have to have more invasive surgery
Yeah my bad for puting both in the same bag i totally agree. I meant to say that thermal contraception is a good alternative to birth control that men can use, just as vasectomy is a viable alternative to tubal litigation. And both are easier and with less side effect than the woman counterpart.
Thermal protection? Isn’t that permanent?
It is not in this case at least. The method relies on using a device (usually a ring) to push the testicles hiver in your body, and the temperature there is enough to stop spermatogenesis. The current method involves stopping every 3 years for at l’East 6 months to ensure production returns to normal. There is no documented side effect, though it should be noted that as always in this area, fully documented medical trial are pending. You my ne referring to other methods using higher temps or external device such as heating boxer but i have not experienced not researched those so i cannot answer you.
Man if this is effective in both cost and a high efficacy rate, then I’m so down, assuming I don’t experience awful side effects.
I had the unfortunate experience of a manipulative woman lying about using protection, and it led to me developing a fear of others doing the same. It severely effected my dating/sex life all through my 20s.
If either party (or both!) can take easily-attainable birth control, it’d be so much better than we have it now.
It’s a shame that male birth control has been so much more difficult to develop, probably due to the male reproductive system not relying on a cycle that can be quite easily interrupted.
Nah, condoms exist since ages and has many other benefits.
Condoms + another birth control is more effective then just condoms
The problem with condoms though is that they suck. Like, ugh, I’ll put on the toque of shame but stopping a frisky moment to apply birth control is just plain annoying.
Give me the swim team hiatus pill I can take before getting the penis brain, please and thanks.
You know what sucks? Unwanted children.
Condoms can break and have potential to make intercourse less pleasant, especially for men.
Male birth control can serve both as a backup to a condom and as a way to experience the pleasure of sex without condom while not risking impregnation.
It essentially has the same benefits as female birth control, except men can now be in charge too, and can also use this kind of protection when it is not recommended to a woman for medical reasons. Besides, you can always combine both to make it extra reliable.
Sure, condoms are essentially the only way to stop transmission of STIs during penetrative sex. But when we talk about healthy permanent partners, this is not commonly an issue.
So much for std protection.
Birth control and STD protection are two wildly different things. Imagine, if you will, a married couple who doesn't want any more kids. They want the former and don't need the latter.
One case, yes. Not everything is about married people who don’t cheat.
I use Arch
I tried googling this but am confused by the results. Can you explain a bit more
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Aaaand I feel like an idiot, thanks 😅
Truly, this is the most effective form of birth control.
FTFY
First time in a long time I’ve seen FTFY used literally. Have an upvote
First time in a long time I’ve seen “literally” used right. Have an upvote.
I honestly appreciate that someone else cares enough about that word to upvote me for it. Thank you for being you
Literally can literally be used metaphorically:
So getting upset about the way a word has been used since before the founding of the US is literally the dumbest thing someone could be mad about. 😁
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Yes, we all know condoms exist, thank you for your input.
Still condom unless a long term partner. Though I’m paranoid about sti
Well the condom paradox says that if a casual partner is willing to have sex with you without condom that’s the biggest indicator for the need of a condom
I exist because my mother told my father that she was taking birth control. My father hasn’t been a part of my life except on a few occasions where he wanted to be here and there, and I don’t hold a grudge. My mom proudly told me this when I was about 9. I don’t blame her either, she raised herself from the time she was 4 years old when her mother committed suicide. She did the best she could with what she had as a person with no education and no parents to guide her.
My father came for the birth of my oldest biological child. He came for a few Christmases. He showed up when I was going through a divorce and helped me fix a car for my now ex. He didn’t have to do any of that. I barely know him at all, and even though it bums me out from time to time, it is what it is.
Life is a mess for everybody haha.
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I misread the [raised herself] bit as [raised you herself] and I thought maybe you were a halucinating ai generating word salad for a minute lol.
Your original reply had me confused for a moment haha. Thank you for clearing it up and removing it.
And also, preaching to the choir I’m sure, that’s the biggest reason I hate AI. We’re already contending with misinformation and bad information, and here comes the confused talking computer to make things worse.
It’s not always the mother being deceptive.
My mother wanted a child. A family. She was clear about it from the start. My dad didn’t. Probably didn’t communicate it. He didn’t bother using protection either. When my mom got pregnant on the first go, he wanted an abortion. No responsibility.
He tried to hide his autism from my also autistic mother. They didn’t understand autism back then. She herself considered aborting me out of fear of having a retarded child. She zoned out for weeks, and when she learned I was a girl, she believed god had blessed her. For she thought girls can’t be autistic.
Lo and behold, my sister and I were neglected intellectually, socially, and emotionally. Because they did not understand parents supposed to teach children, not threaten them with a belt when the kid doesn’t adhere to their autistic whims/expectations.
We raised ourselves with 0 guidence and am I far behind the average person. They are both not asocial, lonely and happy we exist as a means to reduce their misery.
They should never have had children. Life is a mess.
My father bounced on my mother, thinking me and my twin sister died during childbirth. We were split up to keep.it that way. She grew up like royalty, with everything a child could possibly want or need, while I grew up in the desert with my aunt and uncle, who were both unfortunately killed while.I was in my late teens.
They’d lied to me about who my father really was after I was reunited with my sister, and the first time I ever met him I found out first hand how cruel he could be and I unfortunately lost my hand in the fray.
Despite this, he tried everything he could to get me to come work for him and his asshole boss. And mentor.
Ultimately he redeemed himself when he threw that wrinkled prick.down an 3levator shaft, but died soon after.
Life’s a mess.
Hey I’ve seen this movie
Man my birth control seems way safer and way more effective. It’s called: “Obesity, Trichotillomania, and absolutely fuck all confidence.”
I looked that up. Ouch! Is it ok if i ask whether it hurts or feels ‘good’ to do? You have an urge, or is it like a nervous tic? I’m curious what it is like if’n it’s no trouble
Not the person you responded to, but for me it comes and goes as a result of OCD. It does hurt, but not terribly. To describe the urge, it’s a bit like if there’s a big bug on your arm. Once you notice it, it’s difficult to not immediately swat it away, and until you do get it off, you’re gonna be very aware that there’s a bug on your arm. It’s pretty much the same feeling, just directed toward hair instead of bug.
It might be totally different for other people, but that’s just my experience.
I may be getting the wrong idea cus of the analogy, but is it directed towards a general spot on your scalp or do you feel like a specific follicle crawling on you you must remove? Wait, does talking about it increase the urge? Sorry if so, I’m really curious
Ah fuck, I worded that poorly. No, talking about it is fine, but thanks for asking! I don’t mean the physical sensation is the same, like how you can feel a bug on your arm. Speaking for myself, it’s like the mental reaction of “ick there’s a bug on my arm, I have to get it off”. There’s no physical itch or tickle on my skin. I was trying to make that comparison because generally when there’s a bug on you, it doesn’t bother you if you don’t notice it, and you might not even realize it’s there for a while. But once you notice it or someone points it out, it’d be hard to just ignore it, even if you couldn’t feel it on your skin at all.
As I’m typing this out, I’m realizing that it’s possible that not everyone experiences quite as strong a reaction to having a bug on their skin that I do, especially as a person with ocd, lmao. But if you do, well, hopefully this helps!
Thank you, it does!
Yeah. Usually an itch for me
Honestly the pain may be the part that causes the addiction. For me it started when I was 11. I was stressed, untreated for ADHD, and an eyelash was in the way so I just plucked it. The result was immediate relaxation. The next time I got an eyelash I just plucked it before I got stressed. Then I started plucking em when I was bored. Then puberty came and I got the same obsession with ance. That was a long one, then it went to these weird gland things in my mouth for a little bit, then it started on my beard which is by far the worst. It doesn’t hurt anymore, but the moment it itches, fuck everything.
It’s not an urgent anymore it’s like scratching an itch. It’s automatic. I can’t control it undless I have gloves or wrist braces for the carpal tunnel doing this gave me.
Aargh ive had carpal tunnel to the point i had a brace on my WoW arm (though probably not as severe as yours). I have ADD too and scratch my scalp to where it bleeds when I’m nervous. Oops now im making it bout me lol. I actually just wanted to thank you taking the time to write up this detailed comment. So thanks!
Been working great for me so far!
Can’t help you with Trichotillomania but hitting the gym tends to help with weight and confidence. I don’t know your situation but I was bordering on obesity and I was suggested 10min warmup + stronglifts 5x5 + 10min cool down as a routine. I did it for almost a year and it definitely had a impact on my weight and confidence.
If you’re not sure where to start have a session with a personal trainer with the purpose of setting up your own routine and then just stick with it. It feels really hard at first but after you start seeing results it’ll get easier.
It certainly helps with fitness, and somewhat with confidence, but just being fit isn’t going to get you laid. I’d also see a therapist regularly for the mental and emotional parts of health.
Which is exactly why I’m treating both at the same time. Doc got me on Wegovy, and starting out playing beat saber (holy shit 30 minutes of that is incredible, sweat, aches everywhere, maybe not visible progress but damn I feel like moving is less effort) and in therapy for everything in my life.
Right now I’m learning my strengths. Hard to do for someone without a lot of confidence.
When some “every sperm is sacred” loons in Alabama (probably calling themselves “the Sons of Oman” or some corny shit, decides to sue, l imagine it’ll be treated the same way they have treated women’s contraception and medical abortion.
Surely.
Sons of Onan is unironically a pretty good name for an anti-masturbation extremist group
I’m doing my part.
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When it comes to birth control for far too long women have been getting the short end of the…… oh, nevermind
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There’s a fair amount of talk in the comments for and against condoms. Has anyone considered a custom fit silicone penis sleeve as a more pleasurable alternative?
They aren’t an alternative.
From the website you linked’s own FAQ
Yes a condom can be worn under a sleeve. Wearing one over a sleeve will not help if you are wearing it as a form of contraception.
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I think they have to say that.
Especially if it’s true.
Which if they haven’t tested them, which is an easy thing to prove for them, then this should not be recommended by you, or anyone, as a contraceptive.
It’s like my ex trying to tell her birthcontrol is working just fine because she took 3 pills at once after forgetting to take it twice in a row even though the manufacturer says if you dont follow the directions you have to start the initial waiting period over again, because “i think they have to say that” (she also used those exact words)
Bad advice is bad advice. Why should anyone ever trust their future and also their health by listening to your advice that directly opposes the manufacturers warning. They are legally liable for their product, you are just some random person potentially ruining peoples lives with your opinions.
I hope they sue you for damages before anyone fucks up their life by being convinced by your bad attitude
I mean, cotton swab manufacturers have to include an instruction not to clean your ears with their product, but let’s be real: that’s what they’re for.
And any audiologist or ENT will back them up and also tell you not to do that and then give you examples of known reasons why they also say dont use them
But they’re just the right size and it feels so good.
How is that in anyway relevant to this discussion about them as a contraceptive device???!?
You might as well be talking about the pull put method of contraceptive with a line like that, which is not helpful
I’ve been pulling out for years. It’s the way to go if you know what you’re doing.
Jesus fucking christ you are just trolling, and im walking right into it. What waste of time
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Friendly reminder of the core problem: medical treatments are all balanced against the risk of what it counteracts.
Undergoing physical and chemical changes to grow another creature inside you and have it damage everything on the way out is pretty risky. Female birth control only has to be less risky than that.
A male has zero physiological risk from impregnating someone. Therefore, anything except a miracle drug with high efficacy and almost zero side effects is going to stall at the trial stage.
On another note, that speaks to how safe and effective vasectomies are.
I will say this as often as I can, getting the ol snip snip was the best decision I’ve ever made.
Do you have kids or did you never want them?
Never wanted them, pretty sure I’d have a mental breakdown if I tried to raise one
Not that guy, but I have one kid who I love to bits. Got a vasectomy when he was 2 years old cause we would explode if we had a second kid, lol. One is enough for us. We've been incredibly fortunate so we decided we didn't need any more surprises.
The doc who did mine was a military vet who went into urology after serving. I remember reading the pamphlet on the operation and it said the vasectomy only took 15 minutes. I asked him, "It only takes 15 minutes??" and he responded, "Eight."
I like a good speedrun as much as the next guy, but I told him to take his sweet time lol. Ain't in no rush, doc.
Recovery was super chill. Couldn't roughhouse with my son for a week or two, and that's about it. I've got some fun titanium clamps chilling in my junk now, so that's fun. I'm basically Wolverine.
Who doesn’t love cream pies!?!?!?!
Agreed. I have zero regret.
Written by someone who has never had to pay child support.
Yeah zero psychological risk is a bit of an overstatement. Zero physical maybe, but there’s definitely psychological risks, and I’m not even thinking about child support
Edit: I can’t read, it says physiological and I’m just deficient in the reading
They said Physiological not Psychological. There’s a considerable difference between those two words.
The letters I and C?
I meant their meanings, rather than their spellings lol.
My bad, I can’t read 🤦
Have you ever had a toddler hit you over the head with a plastic bat? There IS physical risk in raising a child.
Upvoting the edit
There are also plenty of medical reasons for even sexually inactive women to take hormonal birth control. This isn’t only about pregnancy, which as you say can have all sorts of physical consequences.
If it flies, look for a huge spike in stds
Huge spikes in STD’s is already happening due to other factors
healthline.com/…/sti-increase-syphilis-cases-spik…
Wear a rubber kids. No one likes a raunchy coochie/schlong
Untrue. There are some people that specifically seek that, along with the STDs called “bug chasers.” Since I’ve been cursed with this knowledge, so must you all be.
Oh whyyyyy why have you done this to me…
There were bug chasers during the pandemic, too. >_>
Just have a Jolly Rancher then.
Honestly, I think condoms are unrealistic. Fucking with a condom is so totally useless that you almost feel a bit resentful of the woman after. Like she has bad minge or something. The first time I had sex I was a good boy and used a condom and I just quit after a while, and sat down and wondered what the fuck was wrong. She thought I’d finished.
Saying “wear a rubber” is stupid. For a lot of people, sex with a condom is completely useless. I’ll wear one the first time with a woman as I ofc want to get imtimate, but the sex itself will be useless.
If you aren’t creative enough to get off, then sex with you is probably useless too. 🤷🏼♀️
But lame ass roasting aside, being responsible during sex is important. Being able to communicate your wants and needs is absolutely necessary. I’ll tell you that I also hated condoms during sex, but it took being with my partner about six months before I felt comfortable enough to bring up a discussion about having sex without condoms. We then talked about the risks of accidental pregnancy, STDs, and my hormones and birth control. In the long term, the time period we used condoms was worth it because we learned each other’s bodies, as well as each other’s personalities. Once we did move to sex without condoms, it was sooooo much better, but we also were better communicators and the sex was wayyy more fun.
You have to be willing to put in the time and effort and trust that leads to a real connection first.
Not gonna pretend that I don’t deserve it, or that I’m very polite either, but beginning every response with an insult is not some clever ‘roasting’.
I don’t agree with you that it should take half a year of learning your partner for sex to be good. If you’re attentive and interested in getting your partner off, then you can do that the first time, or certainly atleast in a shorter time than that. But it’s going to differ between different people ofc.
Every sperm is sacred!
for the downvoters, it’s a song from a Monthy Python movie, so comedy (and great one at that!)
can’t wait for the inevitable surge of pregnancies, as people learn that that sperm doesn’t just fucking disappear, and that it needs to be manually cleared first.
Me still waiting on Vasalgel after 2 decades.
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Pharmaceutical companies just aren’t interested in it.
the first trials for this resulted in men becoming sterile and then killing themselves.
And then a bunch of female comedians made fun of them for “being a little moody”
Women’s birth control hasn’t exactly been side-effect-free, what with the strokes. But also, sauce?
Pretty sure that was a joke…
I never said otherwise.
Okay.
Did this happen? Or was this a satirical take on something that happened to women?
The point of the joke is not that they think men are being babies about it. It is that women’s birth control causes these same side effects, along with strokes, and a number of other serious, long term issues. However when women say they do not want to take birth control, and instead opt for doing things that require more responsibility of the man, they are often told similar things concerning the negative effects they get when using it, and they should just deal with it.
birth control for women doesn’t make a woman permanently sterile like the drug trials for male birth control did for men
That is actually not true. Not downplaying the significance of these effects, but…
In the 60s and 70s a large number of planned parenthood clinics were in low-income and predominantly black neighbourhoods, aimed at reducing the number of black babies.
In the same era birth control (more appropriately termed eugenics) programs forcibly sterilized black and indigenous women. Where it was presented as an option, the consequence for not following through on these doctor’s “recommendations,” were threats to withhold healthcare or public assistance. The statistics through the 60s and 70s were that roughly 1 in 4 indigenous women were non-consenually sterilized.
But also, yeah, the results of this trial are fucked and people are right to be skeptical of this drug.
More info on this here:
mississippifreepress.org/…/the-troubling-past-of-…
I had assumed the women weren’t sterilised by the normal contraceptive meds, but it seems they used a large dose of Depo-Provera which is a legit contraceptive injection. Not the usual pills but still.
There are also stories in that article of people having forced hysterectomies.
America’s history of racism is so dark.
Sorry it’s very rare to cause the least of the issues on that list, must mean they don’t have a point.
Maybe not, but female hormonal birth control can cause liver tumors and blood clots. Can’t have more kids if a blood clot kills you.
The moral of the story should be safer contraceptives for everyone…
Unfortunately for women they weigh the side effects of hormonal birth control against those of a pregnancy. Since pregnancy also increases the chance of blood clots and other things they just say “good enough!” And put it on the market…which is bullshit. Either way we’re at higher risk of serious health issues.
That’s why women are angry. I feel confident saying the majority of women dont want unsafe bc for men. We want more research into safer bc options available for us too.
Lmao that’s kinda funny response though
Ha jokes on them, the plastic in my balls is permanently shutting of my sperm!
Plastic is stored in the balls
thank you
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And moments after its efficacy was proven, Louisiana banned it.
Male self control breakthrough keeps their dick in their pants and don’t have sex for a while. Try it some time, it’s fantastic.
I tried it, but when I’m around your mom, she keeps begging for it!
Oh, I’m way ahead of them there, with 44 years of shitty diet and lifestyle choices.
I’ve been ingesting mirco plastics on purpose to avoid having children!
It seems to be working. They found microplastic in every testicle in their study
you should be ingesting macroplastics if you want real results
Everyone brace yourself! The Christians are looking for Bible quotes right now!
Hail Satan
If altar boys could get pregnant, the church would have approved birth control long ago.
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Birth control was always prohibited im Christianity (at least Catholics, the ones I know the most about), from condom to pills to IUD, this won’t change it.
Any christian that is against one kind of birth control but in ok with other is just freestyling dogmas
Catholics yes, Protestant no. Both are Christianity. You need to read more, or at least watch some Monty Python.
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Protestants, maybe. Protestantism is a wide group, some against birth control (like Adventists), some don’t
I’ve only ever read the first couple chapters of The Book of Armaments.
Hahahaaa I’m just waiting for Plan A honestly. It’s a 10 year injection that is 100% effective. With blocking sperm but allowing everything else.
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Men are so fragile.
What woman is going to trust a man not to instantly change her life.
It’s not a toggle switch, both can take it.
Has anyone heard about the andro-switch ring before? It is supposed to work without taking any pills and be free of side effects (except for carrying a silicone ring around the testicles). www.medscape.com/viewarticle/986261
Yes I’m using it. It works as expected
Looks like you have to wear it for at least 15 hours a day for several months before it’s effective…
I will never ever trust this. Not with how gender/maleness is treated these days. What ‘they’ consider safe can be entirely political and ideology-based, rather than a biological fact.
Found the incel
good god.
go back into your cave and stop telling people what you think, please.
Who’s “they”?
If it’s Urologists, like, those are the experts. If it’s someone on Twitter, they don’t matter. If it’s women as a whole… oh, boy. Dude. If it’s “the jews”, OH. BOY. DUDE. HOW EVEN?
It’s not jews, it’s not women, and it’s not strictly urologists. It’s everyone in government and the medical field who can influence what is and isn’t considered OK.
Time to loosen your tinfoil hat it’s starting to cut of circulation.
statistically, you’ll probably die in a car crash but the news doesnt even report auto accidents anymore.
Living up to your name cro magnon
god damn the comments on this post are the fucking wild west
Finally! Finally they’re trying to take the bullets out of the gun instead of trying to make a stronger bulletproof vest. I feel cautiously optimistic!
I’m a bit jealous that there’s no side effects, though. Depo made me gain 30lbs in ONE month. I’m lucky it made my tits significantly bigger (Went from a B to a DD), but that was not a fun experience.
I’ve heard of a male birth control every couple years and still nothing on the market. Usually it’s because there are slight side effects and that’s considered to much of a risk meanwhile female birth control can cause blood clots and whatnot. I’m too jaded to believe this will ever come to fruition.
So only the lucky unfit sperm destined to produce one who wears a red cap will be able to successfully fertilize the egg?
Don’t forget also the male morning-after pill: you take it the next day, it changes your blood group
Safe, cheap, permanent but trivially reversible male birth control was invented in 1979 and has yet to be approved for US sale.
Can you share more info?
RISUG is a technique by which a polymer with specific electrical properties is injected into the vas deferens. This polymer messes up the flagella on sperm that pass nearby. Since “nearby” is a distance larger than the radius of the vas deferens, this means all sperm passing through get their flagellum screwed up, can no longer swim, and is therefore immotile.
It makes the man essentially sterile, until he wants to reverse the effect at which point a second injection simply washes the original polymer layer off the inner lining.
Probably talking about RISUG, although the US equivalent is Vasagel.
Basically Vasagel plugs up the Vas Deferens so sperm can’t get out, and RISUG rips sperm to shreds as they come out. It lasts for 10 years, and is reversible with a shot of baking soda.
RISUG is approved in India (where it was developed), and Vasagel is being developed by a foundation instead of a pharmaceutical company, so progress has been slow.
It does not plug up the vas deferens. One of the (many) advantages RISUG has over vasectomy is that it doesn’t block material from flowing through the vas deferens, and hence avoids the complications from that aspect of vasectomy.
I said that.
Wait, vasalgel is a plug? Are you sure?
I’ve been giving Parsemus foundation money for over a decade, and never knew that.
Actually I stopped giving them money because their original super far-out date to market was 2018, and 2018 sort of quietly sailed by without mention of it
Yup, it’s a plug
I find it strange that many people here are against this when the alternative is a surgical treatment that often can’t be easily reversed, and even when it is, often lowers the likelihood they will have a kid.
Chemical solutions are way better in that regard because if they are done right they don’t damage any tissue and their affects are temporary.
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Oh yeah, I’ll just tell my wife that we’re never having sex again because we’ve now got enough kids. I’m sure this will be a healthy and emotionally viable way of strengthening our relationship over the next 30 years or so until the menopause.
Fuck yes, sexual repression what a banger idea that is modern and haven’t even been considered for literally thousands of years and proven abusive to exactly every human being on the planet
I’m not against it but you’d have to be crazy to trust a guy who doesn’t want to use a condom because he swears he’s on the pill. It seems like it opens up a wild new avenue for sexual assault.
The reality is that the consequences of sex are asymmetric. I suppose this is an interesting option for couples in a relationship though.
asymmetric?
Like you’ve ever trusted a woman that has said “It’s okay, I’m on the pill” first time you hit the sheets?
Society doesn't consider that a crime tho
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