TikTok is offline in the U.S. after Supreme Court upholds ban
(www.npr.org)
from cm0002@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 04:48
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from cm0002@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 04:48
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And they’re already kissing Trump’s ass
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And now Trump gets to be the one who saved TikTok, despite starting the process.
It’s an own-goal for Biden - an unpopular law that starts being enforced the day before Trump gets to stop enforcing it.
Not sure why you think it’s an own goal. Biden didn’t set the day for it to take effect, that was written into the law by Congress. You could say it was an own goal because Biden announced he wasn’t going to enforce it, but that seems to be the opposite of what you’re trting to claim And even with that decision to not enforce the law for 1 day before the Trump admin takes over, none of the companies TikTok works with like Apple or Google to list it in the app stores gave a shit about that lack of enforcement because of the uncertainty.
Not to mention Trump being the start of the ban in the first place. He was President when all of this started to work it’s way through the process, even if Biden was the President when it actually made it through Congress, with bipartisan support. Trump only changed positions because he wants TokTok to pay him to continue to allow it to continue.
More Americans have TikTok accounts than vote. For a shitload of normies who have only the vaguest notion of politics and current affairs, the app they’ve been enjoying gets cut off as the defining event of the waning days of the Biden administration. They are not going to care about how Trump tried to do it first, or it was bipartisan, or whatever. It’s hard not to see how this will cost Dems dearly.
No it won’t. Biden is already out of office as far as normies are concerned. He has been since the election, but definitely within 24 hours of inauguration. TikTok stops working and the next thing they see is Trump having a huge party with a shit ton of pomp and circumstance for his inauguration as he gets into the White House. And then TikTok still doesn’t work when they open it up. Maybe he brings it back, maybe he doesn’t. Voters don’t pay enough attention to separate his inauguration and the TikTok ban happening 24 hours apart, they’ll bundle it together as one event.
Unless he gets a massive cash infusion from Bytedance in the next 24 hours, he won’t give TikTok an extension on day one in office. He’s the kind of person that expects his payment up front.
So everyone will instead see it stop working as President Trump takes over, and then it continuing to not work after. Some may give him the benefit of the doubt, but they weren’t ever going to vote for anyone else anyway, he’s their God Emperor President and they’ve confirmed their world view around him being perfect.
Heck, he might try to spin it as some sort of promotional opportunity for Truth Social.
The law isn’t being enforced. TikTok can just put it back up tomorrow and imply it was Trump that did it.
That won’t stop Apple and Google from keeping it pulled from app stores until things are more concrete.
TikTok only blocked access and put that notice up in the app after their partners decided that a statement from the outgoing administration 24 before the transition wasn’t enough for them to not comply with the law.
Well, it definitely looks to have backfired on US government. The politicians figured that they could force Bytedance to divest TikTok using a ban in the US as a threat, assuming that TikTok wouldn’t want to lose access to the US market and the 180 million or so (!) users. Instead of complying, ByteDance did nothing and the politicians and the US government were put into a position of actually enforcing a very unpopular ban.
The timing of course is interesting. This comes right at the end of Biden’s administration, allowing for Trump to swoop in and lift the ban and take all the credit for that. Of course ignoring that is was Trump who originally kicked this whole thing into motion back in 2020 with his executive order to ban TikTok.
No one is enforcing it, it’s a play by TikTok. TikTok did it voluntarily. The server is still there, my wife logged in and saw the notice.
It’s just theater.
Yup. In fact, Biden had specifically said he will not enforce the ban.
Which, incidentally…might be the same thing Trump does to “unban TikTok” once he takes office. Which is bizarre, on both sides. Like…that’s literally not legal for a president to do. They can’t legally just ignore an Act of Congress.
Not that the law matters in America anymore. The Supreme Court has pretty definitively seen to that.
enforcement is up to the ag, so yea. they could just ‘ignore’ the law.
the only thing the ‘president’ can do is extend the deadline by 90 days given evidence that the company is closing-in on a deal.
with scotus out of the way, ruling in favor of trump’s initial desires, and that which subsequently passed through congress; it is now up to congress to undo the legislation if they so choose.
In practice, there’s no real mechanism to force it (especially if Congress is unwilling to impeach & convict). But legally speaking, the Take Care clause of the constitution obligates the President (through his executive) to enforce all laws passed by Congress. Ignoring it would be unconstitutional.
When has trump ever cared about the constution?
You’re talking about the guy who wants to end birthright citizenship.
LOL WTF does he care about the constitution? He’s a fucking felon. And clearly no one in government cares about the constitution either.
Not sure that is true though. When I read the law it specifies that the President can choose to block ANY foreign owned social media site that they (as in the president) deems a national security threat. So Trump could in theory say ban RedNote tomorrow and it legally would have to be done. That said… he may be able to just say “bytedance is not considered a national security threat at this time” and that may be enough to let TikTok continue to be in the U.S.
I’d have to read it again to confirm
Edit: nah ByteDance got targeted hard, no dodging that.
DIVISION H-- PROTECTING AMERICANS FROM FOREIGN ADVERSARY CONTROLLED APPLICATIONS ACT
Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act
(Sec. 2) This division prohibits distributing, maintaining, updating, or providing internet hosting services for a foreign adversary controlled application (e.g., TikTok). However, the prohibition does not apply to a covered application that executes a qualified divestiture as determined by the President.
Under the division, a foreign adversary controlled application is an application directly or indirectly operated by (1) ByteDance, Ltd., TikTok, their subsidiaries, successors, related entities they control, or entities controlled by a foreign adversary country; or (2) a social media company that is controlled by a foreign adversary country and determined by the President to present a significant threat to national security. (Here, a social media company excludes any website or application primarily used to post product reviews, business reviews, or travel information and reviews.)
The executive branch can selectively enforce laws, look at all the weed dispensaries the feds could just waltz into and have a federal case against everyone.
TikTok and its service providers are liable. “No one is enforcing” is meaningless, because they can still be prosecuted retrospectively if the US Government changes its mind.
Yup. They even asked for clarification on the “no enforcement” and the Biden administration basically just said “it is what it is”.
What big company is going to take a risk like that?
What big company is going to risk a fine tomorrow for profit today? Literally all of them?
What are they risking, exactly? The entire company has essentially been banned from the country, so they have nothing to lose.
Being fined for not doing what the people in power what them to.
Hmmm existing with fines vs. not existing. Quite a dilemma.
$10 says Trump influenced TikTok to go dark today to make him look better when it turns it back on tomorrow.
We all know they didn’t actually have to do this.
As designed by the republicans. There are legitimate reasons to regulate tiktok, if Biden opposed though, they’d say he was a weak Chinese sympathizer, if he complied, they’d do this.
It was a trap where you were fucked either way, as the republican think tank ghouls drew it out.
Didn’t Biden specifically say that enforcement was up to Trump?
There’s still loads of bullshit surrounding the name. Hope your personal filters are up to the task the next 4 years.
Democrats getting played by Republicans, a classic.
isdglobal.org/…/tiktok-and-white-supremacist-cont…
No wonder why Trump wants to “save” TikTok. It has the stuff Republicans crave.
It’s likely just staged bullshit so he can be the savior.
The entirety of global capitalism is lining up to bend the knee and gargle fascist balls.
This is what leftists have been warning forever. Capitalism wants the monopolies, bailouts — the political, financial and military backing, etc — that state-capitalist dictatorships provide. Democratically elected governments, acting in the interests of the people, are really the only threat to the corporate oligarchies wealth and power.
All of the wests “enemies” are equally supportive of fascism, because state-capitalist dictators are easier to influence (bribe).
Thank god for Trump to save communism /s
He won’t tho.
With enough money, sorry, I mean “campaign fund”, let’s see how things go.
I feel like the only guy in the room that wasn't* addicted to meth after someone took all the meth away.
Couldn't care less about TikTok
…what? I don’t get what you’re saying. Are you saying you want to try meth? Because that’s how I read it. But I feel like I’m wrong…but that’s how I read it.
Typo corrected
Ah, that makes way more sense.
Ok, but this ban isn’t just for tiktok, you realize that right? If Trump wants to consider UK and adversary he could ban the BBC app as well? This wasn’t just a tiktok ban it’s a ban on ALL “foreign adversary” apps. Nobody gives a shit you never used it.
Disclaimer: I think Trump is a criminal asshole.
Technically, Trump didn't ban anything (this time). Biden did. Trump's just getting credit for bringing it back.
Also, I don't give a shit what you think everyone else gives a shit about.
edit: actually, to clarify; Neither of them banned TikTok. Congress passsed a law, and the Supreme Court upheld it. Biden just didn't block it. And Trump can't magically unblock it, he can just delay it by 90 days.
Ok. So you think it’s good that the US government just censored half of the entire country?
Uh... no.
To carry the analogy, I'm not rooting for the guy taking away the meth, or the guy giving it back. I'm just saying I think it's weird to be the only one not going through withdrawal.
Also, maybe stop doing meth.
Taps “learn more”
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Whole newgen of trump worshippers born is what they’re expecting
Damn it of course TikTok getting banned was too good to be true
You’re gonna complain about social media while on social media? Can’t wait for the fediverse apps to be banned because someone in Syria is running an instance.
Short memories.
…archives.gov/…/executive-order-addressing-threat…
Even Marvel Snap is down because it’s a subsidiary lmao
Whose subsidiary Bytedance?
Trump isn’t going to save them. He’s setting it up so one of us cronies will get it.
It is a nice asset why shouldnt an American oligarch own it though
Democracy, free market, and capitalism 🤡
It’s mine. My own. My precious…
People are reporting that Meta platforms just started allowing users to link their tiktok accounts a few days ago… take that for what you will.
Surreal watching the rest of the internet freaking out. Meanwhile we are just sitting here on our own platforms doing our own things.
Tiktok ban is a good opportunity to educate the common folk on the benefits of federation
Although I am not sure if short video format addicts' needs can be fixed with this elegant solution but it definitely works well enough as reddit and twitter replacement.
Video hosting is too expensive for a platform that’s not run by a big company.
Shit ain't free!
But text is cheap enough to make text base federated social media a thing. So freedom oriented plebs have a refuge.
“Other social media bad and dumb, my social media good and smart”.
You’re the same as anyone on Facebook or Twitter, you love you’re little echo chamber and nothing is wrong with it and the other ones are bad.
It’s called Instagram or YouTube Shorts. Same thing…TikTok offered nothing new. And I’m here, but all I see on Lemmy are the same posts 3-4 times, predictable pearl clutching reactions to everything, and very limited news coverage with a proclivity for posting random, fringe sources
I don't respect corporate trash... But if it works for you, great!
Make sure to have location sharing enabled;)
You have a point. It felt different when I signed up but now all the most upvoted content here seems to be screenshots from Twitter, regurgitated memes and similar low-effort dopamine triggers. And when I left reddit it was mostly reposted TikTok reels anyway. Cognitive fast food that’s easy to lose yourself in but unhealthy and unfulfilling as a habit. Lemmy doesn’t really have many niche communities to outweigh the slop either. Consequently, I spend less time here as well. Which is probably a good thing.
Those were both responses to TikTok shredding revenues for those services.
It’s a huge reason for the TikTok ban: meta and Google have no real good counter to.it, due to first-man-in factor.
I don’t see how this has anything to do with federated platforms. I’d argue that watching Loops is just as bad for one’s mental health than TikTok is.
I was spamming ActivityPub info through last day on every comment.
Personally, I never saw the appeal of TikTok anyway.
Then again I also was never interested in Twitter.
I guess my attention span isn’t short enough for that type of sites.
I would scroll a bit after someone linked me a video. Content was fun, but after like 3 minutes, I could feel something wrong in my brain. Like just the nonstop influx of content with no breaks. You might think one video was faked, but you didn’t have enough time to contemplate it before another shows up in its place.
I have some friends who spend hours on it. I can’t imagine deciding to participate in that for so long.
Short video formats on all platforms make me very quickly feel like I’m going crazy. Just one voice after another, trying to cram whatever they have to say into your ears, or one joke taken out of context, or one simplistic moral, or absurdist humor that wouldn’t hold up for longer than a few seconds. My partner watches endless “reels” on Facebook, and that hurried talking they all do, with all those cuts to make sure there’s no gap between words, makes me fell very weird and agitated. It’s like everyone has the same voice. And then it keeps looping. I waste far too much time on Lemmy but the short video stuff seems like another level of brain melt.
TikTok has tons of issues but this bugs me so much. There are many examples of people sharing their creativity, their skill, their knowledge, their passion to the world on tiktok and it’s so good at exposing you to it if you are interested in seeing all kinds of people expressing themselves.
Since when does the value of content correlate directly with the amount of time it consumes?
is brevity no longer the soul of wit??
If they want to share all of that, what hinders them to start an actual blog?
I actually help run a blog, so I know first hand how many barriers there are between a blogger and their audience and it’s getting worse all the time. These days even if you do make good content that people are looking for, the search engines summarize your content or rank higher content which has scraped your content and summarized it.
that’s even if you have the skills to set up a blog and the resources to fund it. Not everyone has that and if they don’t, does that mean their content shouldn’t be seen?
trust me, I wish the Internet was different but with things like TikTok, you just have to focus on making your content and it takes care of bringing it to the people. With a blog, you really need to seek people out and a lot of people are turned off by self-promotion.
And yeah, I know there’s an argument that people shouldn’t need other’s validation or attention for their art but also as a creative person it is demoralizing to make stuff that no one ever sees.
What hinders them to start a newspaper column?
Maybe, if that’s your only goal.
Trying to make any sort of nuanced or subtle point about anything important is pretty much impossible in such an artificially limited format, though.
Sure, simple political memes can be done in a compact frame, but actually discussing the framework surrounding that meme, or trying to correct a bit of misinformation is not really possible to do under those same limitations of time or character count.
there’s more to life than political discourse 🤷♂️
How many other examples would you like?
you’re missing my point that there are many things in life that don’t require several hours of context and nuance. And those things aren’t automatically invaluable because they don’t require much time to grasp and move on.
For example, a one-panel comic may only take a few moments to parse and enjoy. Does that mean it can only be enjoyed by those “with short attention spans”? Does that mean its value is inherently less?
I wouldn’t say that I don’t see the appeal of it. I would probably get sucked right in if I gave it a shot. It’s a consciouss decision on my part to simply not do that. I don’t not-consume short-form media because I’m better than the people who do, I prohibit it from myself.
Drag gave youtube shorts a try when it came out, and then installed an extension to disable them because they’re boring.
You talk like a redditor, someone who needs people to hear their opinion even if it doesnt add anything.
I’m willing to bet close to 100% of lemmy.world users are from reddit. Where does this sense of superiority come from?
Chances are they came from reddit too lol
I’m right there with you, but I don’t see a compelling reason why either should be banned.
so which was the kicker that brought the swearing-in indoors:
a) afraid of riots because of tiktok ban.
b) afraid of his malformed 'shroom freezing to his diaper in the cold.
c) afraid of getting another piercing.
d) afraid of dreadfully pathetic crowds at the mall and in photographs he can’t lie about after last time.
e) all of the above.
f) all of the above, and also…
He never got a piercing, only attempted. That cut was likely from broken teleprompter glass.
I can’t WAIT for Trump to SAVE this CHYNESE APP!
What I find mad is that people are seriously depressed about this on /r/Tiktok. Yeah sure, I understand small creators now having a tough time having their business disappearing, but people are literally saying that TikTok was their only source of information and that they don’t know what to do now??
So the ban is reaching exactly the people it was set out to reach. Good.
Given the amount of nonsense that was on tiktok they’ll probably be more informed now.
What nonsense was on there?
The Elder Millennial, for one
There was a lot of misinformation and misrepresentation of world events. Mostly not helped by the short form content.
TikTok had a lot of great independent journalists on the app. I personally got a lot of good information from people on the ground about issues that I didn’t see talked about anywhere else on the Internet.
Tik tok had some amazing news sources. I’d say the Washington Post on there was pretty good, they actually reported on the bullshit going on at the paper as well. There was a lot of great sources on the app. I’ll say that tiktok is the only place you’ll see news on Palestine not from the pov of Israel.
I am only on mastodon and lemmy, yet I have only seen things from pro-palestan standpoint.
Believe it or not, building a ethical platform will encourage ethical news on there. Unethical platform might sometimes push ethical news, but eventually will only prioritize its own agenda.
What was tiktoks agenda?
This might sounds surprising to you, but all big tech monopolies love money more than their users.
They will push whatever agenda that makes them more money, and this is exactly what got every social media into the current enshittified stage.
Keep kissing their ass, then they will turn around and send your lips straight to Trump.
Those people are too dumb for their own good. They were destined for failure no matter what.
You empathize and educate.
Good, can’t be happier for this!
You love it when the government censors people because it can? What are you even on?
I know bad for democracy and everything but
This app has done nothing positive for my life, arguably began my social media addiction, filled my brain with negative content at the height of COVID and severely impacted my mental health
I don’t think governments should ban platforns. But do I think TikTok should have ever existed? No
And yet most of it’s users are either to stupid or addicted to see the issue and just switch to RedNote, no questions asked. Which in turn nullifies the ban altogether.
If not for TikTok Israel’s genocide would have gone unreported in Western media and censored on US social media.
I don’t use TikTok but I knew plenty about Israel’s actions. It was all over the internet and plenty of news sources.
Yeah because teens love opening the paper in the morning and reading about how Israel is “liberating” Palestine?
The majority of media and news learnin’ is not TikTok or newspapers.
I dunno. Thanks to Black creators there, I learned about Tulsa, Rosewood, a lot about America indigenous culture, learned about the cops city protests and actions…
Sounds like TikTok was very good for democracy.
Don’t you need to learn these at school?
You would think… but those aren’t taught.
I find Tiktok haters funny. Vast majority aren’t users, and when you do find a user and they disparage the content, it’s pretty obvious that it’s a them problem and not a tiktok problem.
If you want tiktok to be cooking videos, just like nothing but cooking videos. If you want it to be about palestine, then like that content. If you want to be in MAGAtok, well that exists too. If you see nothing but thirst traps, that’s because those are the videos you actually fully watch. Your fyp page is just a mirror into yourself.
The only haters I can agree with are the ones who say “too many ads”
It helped my spouse deal with medical trauma by finding content creators expressing similar experiences. It worked better than any of the support groups which often felt more hopeless and isolating.
At this point though my spouse just hates instagram reels and how chaotic and pointless this is shaking out to be.
Sounds like a you problem.
it is a me problem
you want to subject yourself to doomscrolling and unresticted data collection? go ahead. i dont give 2 shits
Yes, it’s a you problem that you can’t control how you interact with your glass rectangle.
The glass rectangle is designed to be addictive. Should we let people and companies intentionally abuse addictive designs?
I’ve never used it. I was only exposed to second hand smoke.
It’s strange for me to avoid a platform like this. Back in the early days I would sign up for anything.
Oh no! Anyway…
That second paragraph is just vile. Donny brought this ban into motion and now they say he will save them?
The current Ban was not brought into motion by Trump, the current Ban started being discussed in congress in 2024, trumps efforts fell apart, shockingly enough. apnews.com/…/tiktok-timeline-ban-biden-india-d321…
Spreading for awareness, I’ve been posting this in relevant threads for a week - This is all theater.
trump is going to “save” tik tok after starting the initial push to ban it (for the wrong reasons) to pretend he did something for you. Worst part is that all of the no/low info voters and non voters will eat it up.
It’s the equivalent of a person pushing you into the middle of the street and at the very last second, that same person tells the drivers to all stop. “Wow, I owe you my life!”
And now, this adds two layers:
You think trump and the Supreme Court are colluding? now they get to say, nah uh!!! Even though again, this is all convoluted.
trump gets to look “stronger” than the “highest court in the land” to help delude the next generation of low info tiktok folks.
P.s. The Chinese “protest” apps are going to mine the FUCK out of these millions of phones in the brief window they have them. Also, when the kids inevitably move back to tiktok, majority of them will leave these other apps installed on their phones, dormant and collecting in the background.
Why does Trump need to pretend to do something for you?
Trump has your support no matter what. He will rape children but you’ll line up to vote for him.
With that said he’s already in office. Your opinion is meaningless to him. He already got what he needed from you.
Nice doom posting bro 👍
Stop trying to find reason in a situation devoid of reason. You’re clinging to that for personal comfort, if you feel like you can wrap it with a bow, you feel in control of it. You’re not.
He’s a broken narcissist and a psychopath. His dad didn’t love him and told him so. He’ll spend every worthless day of his life trying to get his dead dad to say “I was wrong about you”, and of course, his dad is dead so that won’t happen (wouldn’t have anyway, as that guy was likely an even bigger piece of shit, just not born with money like trump was so didn’t reach the same heights).
So ask yourself why you don’t realize the above. If there’s an end to this presidency, or if say he gets diagnosed with a terminal disease, there’s a non-zero chance he launches all of the nukes with the hope of a worldwide nuclear holocaust - because at the end of the day, if his life was ending, and you told trump he could press a button and be sure that nobody was laughing at him after death, posthumously convicting him of crimes or just pissing on his grave, he’d kill every single person on the chance.
A stranger’s opinion is meaningless to him? Brother, it’s fucking everything to him.
I think there’s an even simpler explanation: political debt to Jeff Yass (15% tiktok owner) and his cash for the 2024 campaign.
www.vanityfair.com/news/…/donald-trump-jeff-yass
Trump doesn’t have the power to “save” TikTok.
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You know I could but seeing as you’re being an absolute twat for no reason at all, I’m sure it would be in vain to explain to you how Trump is not (yet) an emperor.
You openly represent yourself as a PhD, a cancer researcher, a college professor, more than that a department chair, with a public relations responsibility to your college… and you’re here in a tiktok thread calling me a twat in an open forum? And all in a passive defense of donald trump?
You literally just fabricated 100% of that. WTF is wrong with you?
Wow, so you’re saying that’s not you… So you’ve STOLEN this man’s identity? Uh oh…
Where how do I report this fake account?
Look out, the internet police has arrived! 👮♀️🚨🚔😂
Stop trying to distract everyone from what a twat you’re being.
So yes then? You’ve stolen that guy’s identity? Or you are too afraid to admit that?
Do you want to help a company that kisses Trump’s asshole or do you want to find the next free app that does the same thing as TikTok?
Option C, just no thanks for the same thing as TikTok in general.
I was spamming info about ActivityPub… found out there is a delay timer if you post too many comments lol.
It’s more of an IG replacement than a TikTok replacement, but I’ve been kinda enjoying Pixelfed for the past week or so. It’s slow right now but that should change I imagine. The huge influx of users needs to be managed prior to optimization.
I did some research and now I know why Trump wants to “save” TikTok.
theinformation.com/…/how-tiktok-courted-conservat…
isdglobal.org/…/tiktok-and-white-supremacist-cont…
pbs.org/…/on-tiktok-misogyny-and-white-supremacy-…
counterextremism.com/…/extremist-content-online-t…
politico.com/…/tiktok-sponsor-trump-inauguration-…
This one is especially damning:
lol peanuts aren’t that damning… Capital in USA is spending millions and millions on Trump’s inauguration.
npr.org/…/trump-bezos-zuckerberg-amazon-facebook-…
50k gets you an “I’ll see what I can do” .
Well yeah, it’s no secret that TikTok had a white supremacy problem. There was a researcher who discovered that they could make a brand new account and (by only interacting with certain types of content) get white supremacists on their For You page within 20 minutes. Algorithmic feeds are funny like that, because they just gauge engagement. The algorithm isn’t making any moral decisions on whether the engaging content is socially acceptable. For better or worse, it just goes “this person likes this content, so I’ll show them more.”
Real talk, does Trump have the actual authority to save the app?
Not yet but the law gives the president authority to determine whether the company is a national security threat once it meets all the qualifications in the law. So his “90 day extension” is legally him saying “actually they’re not a threat” for 90 days and then “actually they are a threat” after that.
So the president has the authority to extend it for 90 days. After that it’s done?
President has the authority to declare it ok forever or at any time. Not a great law IMO.
Tiktok went dark voluntarily, I don’t think the US even has the infrastructure to enforce the ban. So yes, all he has to do is tell the CEO to turn it back on and tell the app stores not to delist it. As Cheif of the executive branch, enforcement of the laws is your purview.
Sigh. H. R. 7521 stipulates that the POTUS must make the determination using data supplied from several federal agencies etc that an app or service violates the terms laid out in the law. Then a formal investigation will be launched by the AG’s office and if that investigation finds that the app or service is in violation of the law that app or service will be added to a list of apps or services not allowed to be disseminated to the public via American based app stores. That app or service does have the right to appeal the decision within a specific time frame and appeals will be handled by the appropriate district court. At that point if they win the appeal they continue to operate. If they lose the appeal they can do what is called a qualified divestiture so that they would no longer be operating in conflict with the law. Or they can do what Tik Tok did and remove access without the law even being enforced.
So, yes, Trump can just not name Tik Tok as in violation of the law, the AG won’t investigate it, and nothing will come of it.
www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/…/text
Good, it’s poison for the mind.
And other social media, like the one you’re using right now, aren’t?
They are. But that’s not why it’s banned. US politicians don’t give a flying fuck about the well being of their citizens. How people don’t realize this yet is ASTONISHING.
They are banning it because they can’t control it. They are happy to feed their citizens propaganda as long as it’s THEIR propaganda.
The only thing the US cares about is whether or not they can control and influence their people. That’s hard to do with TikTok around. But if it’s only Facebook and Twitter? Easy.
Be better if it was just banned worldwide period and the “TikTok influencer” crowd can go get real jobs and perhaps users can improve their attention spans again.
yawn
Everybody, get off this guy’s lawn!
And nothing of value was lost.
TikTok turned the youth pro Palestine whereas Facebook and Xitter censored it.
And those same youth then gave us an oligarchy, useful fools
The oligarchy has been in charge since before those people were born.
Apathy is the glove into which evil slips its hand
If TikTok has the power to “turn” youth into pro Palestine, they can also turn the youth pro China when China invades Taiwan.
TikTok is in its expansion phase so it need to show its good will, but as soon as it is large enough, it will seek to do whatever make them the most money, like everyone else.
Time and time again, big-tech controlled social media have intervened and will continue to intervene with public opinion, Meta, Xitter, TikTok, all in their own ways.
If government decide to ban meta tomorrow, will you object as hard as banning tiktok?
You’re not making the argument you think you’re making here. Tiktok showed young people the uncensored truth about the genocide. If showing the uncensored truth about Taiwan makes young people want an invasion by China, then it means China is right?
You would honestly believe a giant media conglomerate and one of the most influential tech monopolies in this hyper-capitalistic world shows people completely unbiased news, just out of the goodness of their heart? For their unconditional love towards the vulnerable underaged population that they intentionally attracted?
So let’s instead confine ourselves to social media from western countries which reflects exclusively western bias, whether through censorship as is the case of Meta/X, or through contributions by overwhelmingly white western men as is the case of Lemmy. Just look at politics.world and see what country most linked articles are from.
Maybe, just maybe, having more diverse options, including social media from other countries not subjected to western bias, could be good? That way maybe you can see some realities hidden by the Chinese government heavily publicised in western social media, and viceversa
In principle yes, but it is in general dangerous to think that social media can be a learning moment and people should use whatever pushed to them to guide their behavior.
The content is eventually controlled by several monopolies and will serve their own good. As social media are natural monopolies, it is also really hard to build ethical platforms that competes with the ones backed by capital.
Westerners are priviliaged to have a diverse and free news/media landscape, non-profits pushing for truthful and accessible knowledge, and world-class educational institutions. I, as a Chinese, have never experienced such when growing up.
Yet, I see people insist a giant Chinese tech monopoly is their best learning experience, instead of resorting to more time-proven, unbiased, and trust-worthy ways to learn. Doesn’t this sound dangerous to you?
Bullshit. Westerners fall for western propaganda as much as anyone. Most on Lemmy were certain that the submarine cables were destroyed by the Russians on purpose, turns out the consensus isn’t the case. Most on Lemmy were certain that Nordstream was blown up by Russian, turned out not to be the case. Most on Lemmy believe there’s an ongoing genocide against Uyghur people, turns out it’s not the case. Most on Lemmy believe there was a massacre in Tiananmen square (good luck asking them to spell it) because the CPC sent the PLA to murder protestors, instead of a clash between protestors and military which happened after weeks of pro-capitalist protests and started after protestors murdered some military personnel in negotiation attempts. Most on Lemmy are willing to forgive the support for Genocide in Gaza to the US and its constant imperialism and aren’t willing to do the same for other countries.
You’re just being extremely chauvinist and ignorant about the quality of information in the west, and unaware of the manufacture of consent and the fabrication of false information and narratives.
Which are these unbiased ways to learn you talk about? Can you provide me any examples?
Okay this debate has been way too tiring for me. I am not going to explain to another rich western kid why you are more fortunate than my friend who have been separated from her activist dad for decades.
If you don’t believe western privilege is real and you are as oppressed as the numerous dictatorships across the world… Good for you I guess, and I will not entertain this topic further.
As for ways to learn, I prefer to learn through peer-reviewed literature; high-effort investigative journalism; and people who have worked decades in the field, and specifically hired to research and teach.
At no point did I discuss political prisoners (who exist in my Western European country too, believe it or not). I discussed the reliability of mass media, the level of state propaganda, manufactured consent and fabricated news. Some person you know being in prison has nothing to do with that, don’t immediately go and play the victim card, we’ were discussing western media here. You’re just shutting your ears and saying “the existence of authority abuse elsewhere means you have no right to mention the western bias in western media”.
Your glorious western media just put in the government a gentleman doing the Nazi salute. Long live editorial freedom of speech for the rich.
Tell that to the millions of American small businesses that thrived on the app. Billions of tax revenue just vanished.
Oh, no. Someone think of the pink sauce lady and dildo sellers!
And Quality Patch, Mr Seems, various actual artists who showcase and sell their work, candle makers, authors, wood artisans, leather and metal workers, and everyone else who was doing well and making good products.
Your flippance shows you know noting.
Yeah, that was quite inhumane of me. How can I hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth from werewolf gangbang authors and used underwear merchants and not despair?
I see this sentiment a lot but I don’t understand, which small business are doing all of their business exclusive on TikTok?
It’s less about only doing business on TikTok (there are many, however), but of all the other social media platforms, they get more engagement and sales from TikTok. (Ask yourself how many people are successfully selling their products and services on Lemmy, for example)
It allows people to make chained response videos that also shows their work, as well as illuminating the personality and goals of the people who run the business.
Connectivity between videos, with video responses to comments, is a powerful tool that TikTok does better, and it’s created a boon for many who are self employed.
When 170 million Americans are using the platform, your level of exposure skyrockets.
I’m still stuck on asking how many people are successfully selling their products and services on TikTok.
Like, what businesses are these and what are they selling? I wouldn’t imagine any of these social media platforms would be good for selling anything on. What’s an example of something I could go on TikTok and buy? I couldn’t imagine buying anything on any social media platform. I’ve never even seen anyone selling anything on any social media platform. How would I even do that if I wanted to?
im baffled by the blase response by lemmy users to government overreach
Same! It is definitively unconstitutional and the us gov just pushed it through anyway (with even supreme court backing it up?!) Shit is crazy, and yet I see a lot of ‘no big loss’ type comments on it.
The SCOTUS decision was wild too, because it was a fucking 9-0 vote. The decision was unanimous. That’s a word that’s virtually never used to describe the SCOTUS or any kind of government vote. That unanimous decision made it perfectly clear that the government knows something we don’t, and that TikTok had them fucking terrified. My bet is on the genocide being much worse than even TikTok was showing, but TikTok was the only place you could see anything about it that didn’t have a massive “Israel is just helping them root out terrorists” spin.
I said exactly that a few days ago. Got downvoted nicely, hope you have better luck.
old.lemmy.world/comment/14527149
Your comment made me feel a little more sane.
I wonder how much of all this is just the government realizing that social media is the next world-changing weapon.
Why dig out your nukes or your fighter jets to destroy the enemy when you can instead make them like you?
Yeah, they know who pays their checks.
TikTok showed them incinerating an entire civilization. Not sure what you saw on there.
I didn’t bother following the court case, what were they arguing, freedom of the press?
The law boiled down says any applications from Rushia or China are inherently a security risk and therefore can be banned no questions asked (currently they have to go app by app) which to put it simply is extremely concerning. Straight up US great firewall type shit
Not all apps, review/travel sites get a pass, and the decision is left to the president, which is a dumb way to do it.
DIVISION H-- PROTECTING AMERICANS FROM FOREIGN ADVERSARY CONTROLLED APPLICATIONS ACT
Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act
(Sec. 2) This division prohibits distributing, maintaining, updating, or providing internet hosting services for a foreign adversary controlled application (e.g., TikTok). However, the prohibition does not apply to a covered application that executes a qualified divestiture as determined by the President.
Under the division, a foreign adversary controlled application is an application directly or indirectly operated by (1) ByteDance, Ltd., TikTok, their subsidiaries, successors, related entities they control, or entities controlled by a foreign adversary country; or (2) a social media company that is controlled by a foreign adversary country and determined by the President to present a significant threat to national security. (Here, a social media company excludes any website or application primarily used to post product reviews, business reviews, or travel information and reviews.)
Boomer lib shit.
You think silencing half the entire population of the country is boomer lib shit?
Ok, boomer.
Right? 170 million people just get censored by the government.
Where’s that number coming from. Maybe you mean the 165 billion installs , but that’s not active users and double counts people installing on multiple devices. Tik tok has 50 million dau Of those maybe 10% is actually “speaking” and creating content that the other 90% consume so around 5 million people.
And those 5 million people aren’t silenced, they can still go on to one of multiple apps that provide the same service and allows them to get there message out. He’ll they could come on to the fediverse and post blatant ccp propaganda and no one will do anything.
So I am assuming most Lemmy people don’t use Tiktok or Meta stuff. Here is some things you may or may not already know.
I think it’s pretty obvious now that Tiktok is going to become a part of Meta one way or another.
WTF, how is this not news everywhere?
Hey, look over here at the TikTok performative theatrics while we set up an oligarchy and rob you of your labor, your health, and your livelihood.
So wait, you’re complaining cause they did something? But if they had done nothing you’d also be complaining
You see me complaining? I’ve never used TikTok, but the entire controversy around it is just wag-the-dog type distraction.
Tiktoks removel is not a distraction from oligarchy, it is oligarchy in action. This is meta collecting on what they paid congress for.
Tik Tok removed platform access from their US userbase voluntarily.
This was their choice.
The law is literally not even being enforced.
I hear that businesses existing in the face of unenforced laws are really stable and enduring. \s
Large businesses literally operate in conflict with the law until the law directly forces consequences, usually in monetary form. So, until they get caught and are forced not to do the thing. Explain to me why this is any different.
Multiple apps must have done so.
That’s what I see when I search for Marvel Snap on the playstore. Someone mentioned it was down as well earlier
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Because they are distributed by a company that is owned by Bytedance. You know. The people who own Tik Tok.
Yeah, that’s why I brought that one up
Noteworthy thing I haven’t seen mentioned here: They apparently only removed app access. The website still works just fine.
The website didn’t work from US IPs last night, but it’s back already.
Bytedance’s long-term hope is naturally to be able to continuing operating everywhere without violating any laws. Right? Therefore, their strategy is to stay as compliant as possible with various national laws (within reason), right? Therefore they have to take a conservative reading of the bill (PAFACA). So let’s look at the text of the bill:
www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/…/text
Now, the actual distribution of TikTok is done by a U.S. corp, incorporated in California and Delaware. That corp has to stay compliant with these laws. Therefore, to maintain or update or enable the distribution of an app as defined in this bill, is legally punishable. Make sense? Particularly because the law mentions them by name, there is basically zero legal defense against it besides contesting its constitutionality. Which the horrifically corrupt Supreme Court upheld.
So, probably the only way they felt comfortable resuming operations in the U.S. was with some kind of written agreement with the Trump admin - as of yet undisclosed.
I wish people knew that TikTok being banned was more about it not suppressing posts about Palestine than national security or whatever else they say. Antony Blinken and Mitt Romney outright said last year it was about stopping people from seeing the truth about Israel committing genocide. If the government actually cared about foreign influence operations they’d regulate data privacy and social media algorithms in some way (idk how, but I’m sure you could) but they obviously won’t because US companies manipulating people and stealing their data is totally fine.
Blinken and Romney. name a more trustworthy duo!
ironic you talk about manipulating people in a comment that’s goal is to…manipulate people.
I don’t trust either of them, but why would they lie about wanting to suppress support for Palestine? And if you don’t believe me, the State Department has them on record saying as much: state.gov/secretary-antony-j-blinken-at-mccain-in…
if your only evidence is two liars that are on the record lying about anything, anything in the record from them can never be considered the truth.
liars lie, regardless of if they tell the truth or not.
How did you go from “foreign influence operations” to “US companies manipulating people”
Facebook and YouTube have for years boosted conservative people and posts/videos: this is fine according to the powers that be.
Russia and no doubt countless others run influence operations through all US social media companies: this is also fine according to the powers that be.
China probably runs influence operations through a Chinese social media company: this is a national security problem that needs to be dealt with!!
The reasons TikTok is maybe being banned are because it’s the only major social media that isn’t suppressing pro-Palestine speech and because it’s not owned by a right-wing US oligarch. Musk is the shadow president, Zuckerberg is blatantly sucking up to Trump, etc etc.
If that were true then they wouldn’t have given ByteDance the option to sell 80% to citizens and continue operating.
The law also bans every company from doing the same thing, sending personal data to any of the listed adversarial nations or being more than 20% owned by them. Why ban every company if they only cared about the Palestine message?
So how are a ton of people going to red note? Shouldn’t that have been banned a long time ago if they ban every company?
Probably difficult to enforce if RedNote doesn’t have American servers or offices, we will see if anything happens.
Making ByteDance sell 80% to US companies is a win for the powers that be because then that too can be manipulated by right-wing oligarchs.
I don’t trust Chinese companies all that much either, but Mitt Romney outright said this was about Palestine, you can see another reply of mine below with a link.
Except the entire point of that is the U.S. ownership would succumb to that pressure.
*U.S. Citizen Ownership
Because yeah, Chinese Military ownership is problematic for an app used by US Citizens.
Oh, now it’s owned by the Chinese military?
Which part of “freedom of speech” involves precluding us from ingesting content from a country our government decided it doesn’t like? Or electing to send our own device data or interactions to that country?
It was always owned by Chinese Military.
Sure, if you say so.
TikTok was a Chinese intelligence operation in the end.
where’s all the Chinese government apologists at now?
They’re probably on the tankie instances blaming this on Uyghurs or some shit.
oh no they downvote bombed us!
whatever shall we do?!
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Lol. What are they going to besides scream “Read Theory!” at us while crying into their pillows shaped like Stalin’s cock?
I didn’t know pooh bears cock was Stalin shaped!
It was? How do you figure when no evidence of that was presented to Congress according to congressional members and senators?
so is this your alt account or do you have 11 more floating out there?
I create new accounts when I get bored or when an instance admin turns out to be a little [redacted] and decides to remove my account for being against US propaganda.
Sidestep providing the evidence and go straight for the personal attack. Nice.
This whole thing just comes across as craven and politically motivated by the US government. If they were really concerned with apps (whether or not they’re owned by the Chinese government) collecting and selling user data, they would pass adequate and enforceable privacy laws. Banning one specific app is addressing a symptom rather than a root cause, and any solution to an issue like this ought to apply to the entire field more broadly. I don’t necessarily think that banning TikTok is a bad thing, but to do so in such an obviously politically motivated way belies a lack of concern about the underlying issue (i.e. the mass harvesting of user data) in my opinion.
Not to doubt that it’s politically motivated, but the ban law as written could be applied to any app with a country of origin on the US “Foreign Adversary” list AND declared to be a national security issue
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Comparing the spying that both of these countries do on innocent citizens, as if they are anything alike, is demented.
It’s not apples to apples. It’s comparing an orange to the sun.
You’re right, the us govt captures all internet traffic, all calls, all texts, and has complete subpoena power for all companies that interact with anything in the us; while deploying drones, planes, and satellites that watch us citizens; while encouraging citizens to sell each other out to the government.
It’s not comparable.
As with all of the people agreeing with the government that created the is graphic, you clearly missed the point of my comment.
Show me a government that has the capability to do that but doesn’t do it. And I’ll show you some other way in which it is significantly deficient.
You all suffer from some significant brainwashing.
Oh hey look, a strawman!
While there is a logical fallacy here I don’t think it’s a straw man.
It’s some form of two wrongs make a right.
Some call it a what-aboutism, although theres debate on whether its usually fallacious or not. There have been cases illustrated where using what-aboutisms is a proper logical counter, but most the time people just like to shout fallacy at each other so they dont have to think about the point they are making.
Whataboutism is a fallacy when it is used to justify a behavior instead of pointing out hypocrisy itself.
“It’s okay because you do it too” vs “You can’t claim moral superiority in this case because”
Thank you for the examples, thats a concise way to explain it.
Nobody made the argument they were responding to, they made it themselves and then posted a picture “owning” it
That’s strawmanning
I always wanted to ask but haven’t been able to until now…
When you’re building the strawman, do you do it while the straw is still wet and then wait for it to dry or do you wait for the straw to cure first and then build it?
I’d imagine fungus would be a key reason in the choice but I’m still unsure about the process and figured I’d ask an expert…
Thanks in advance!
After looking up a few tutorials for making a scarecrow, it looks like using dried filling is best.
Fun fact about straw, you have to keep the bales dry, because if they get wet they start to decompose, which generates heat, and since straw traps air, it’s insulating, meaning it can get hot enough to catch fire!
I’m starting to think of Trump as one of those old school firefighters that would set fires and then swoop in to put the fire out lol.
He absolutely is. All presidents are.
Those type of firefighters exists in droves still because that is not an old-school thing.
He was one of the first people saying to ban it in 2020. To me it’s more like he is easily swayed with lobbying so it ends up looking like he is a pioneer on pushing new policy when in actuality he is the first person people go to when they need to bribe a politician.
This is not unique to Trump. Politicians say “they changed their views” if there is enough oil to grease wheels.
Otherwise known by the modern term: Grifter
Except it doesn’t have the capability to put out fires, so it just starts them, then declares having put them out and leaves them burning
Yeah, but the ban passed with overwhelming bipartisan support, randomly jammed inside of the global military spending package including funding the Ukrainian war effort and the genocide in Gaza (which is a must-support bill for Democrats and Republicans alike I guess).
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You created your account today just to tell us that?
Made so many comments in a single day
Well, a mod removed my comment, so you tell me.
Prove it
Not worth it. Mods are going around harassing people that have a different opinion from the echo chamber.
if people can’t go this long without tiktok they’re addicted to social media and it should stay banned
There was kids and teenagers calling 911 because the service was down. I think we’re long past that concern
THIS SHIT MADE ME BURTS OUT LAUGHING
Should see a doctor. I burts out laughing once. 3 month recovery time.
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no it isn’t
Late to the post, but a friend got this on their phone when they tried opening it again <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/c08f8282-452d-4dd7-ba69-894dfdb604fb.jpeg">
What the fuck is this game they’re playing
Pitiful.
Shame.
Of course they’re kissing Trump’s ass. How else is anyone gonna get anything done in the next 4 years? American democracy is broken, and under unitary executive theory endorsed by all branches of government the President is basically a king with term limits and no shiny hat. It’s no way to run a country, but it’s where we’re at so why would we expect TikTok to do anything else?