popekingjoe@lemmy.world
on 10 Aug 10:45
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Wow this is one of those instances where I’m simultaneously surprised something still exists and also find it to make a lot of sense that it still exists.
LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 10 Aug 12:47
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Yeah. Increasingly reliable satellite internet really killed their bottom line over the last few years.
The other satellite players (Hughesnet, Viasat), the fixed 5G boxes (although places sufficiently rural to seriously consider dialup may not have 5G), probably some smaller boutique dialup ISPs.
Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 10 Aug 16:37
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I read months ago that Amazon was stepping into the game but I haven’t heard anything since then.
What we really need to compete against Starlink’s network full of small satellites threatening a Kessler syndrome incident is a second network full of small satellites threatening s Kessler syndrome incident. And a third and a fourth.
Regarding satellite proliferation, while there are many more satellites, the company responsible for most of them, SpaceX, places its Starlink satellites in a low orbit so they can naturally deorbit relatively soon — within five or six years, per SpaceX — if they fail.
At around 400 kilometers and into the 500-km realm — home to ISS and the SpaceX Starlink satellites among others — atmospheric drag plays a major role. Dead satellites and debris usually slow and burn up in the atmosphere in just a few years. This natural cleansing process accelerates when the sun becomes more active and solar coronal mass ejections strike Earth and cause the atmosphere to swell.
“In those altitudes, we can probably do a lot and we will be forgiven,” Linares says.
That’s just “the worst possible consequences won’t happen”. The danger at higher orbits is that things wouldn’t come down, and we couldn’t safely launch rockets past that orbit. That wouldn’t happen here, but destroying everything in LEO would still be pretty bad. Astronauts would likely die.
Currently, no one compares to Starlink, unfortunately. It’s really that much better. Source: FiL has been on the beta since the first constellation went up.
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de
on 10 Aug 18:21
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Kuiper and Guowang are currently launching satellites. It will probably be a few years before they are operational though.
sylver_dragon@lemmy.world
on 10 Aug 22:20
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While not the same thing, cellular internet is not bad these days. I’ve been on T-Mobile’s internet connection for a couple years and other than CGNAT making self-hosting harder, it’s been pretty solid. This is in a rural area where we got to choose between Cable or go get fucked for high speed internet for a long time.
realitista@lemmus.org
on 10 Aug 11:07
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Ah the USR sportster. An ubiquitous workhorse of the early '90s
Same. But that shouldn’t be a factor in a professional publication.
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org
on 10 Aug 12:48
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“Could of” and similar phonetic replacements making no sense whatsoever irritate me more.
Here at least the logic is arbitrary, “Anna’s apartment” and “school’s leadership” vs “Anna’s waiting” and “school’s empty”, but “its tail” vs “it’s cold”.
OK, I’m not a native speaker as it may be clear.
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works
on 10 Aug 14:01
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Fwiw, the logic is, “its” isn’t quite the equivalent of “Anna’s” or “school’s.”
Rather it’s the equivalent of “his,” “hers,” and “theirs.” Also “mine” but that’s just irregular af. In other words, possessive pronouns don’t take an apostrophe while possessive nouns do.
It’s not a LOT of logic, a pretty shaky ladder, but there it is. 0
(Oh, and for both nouns and pronouns, position in the sentence makes a difference whether to use a contraction at all, or go with the separate “is.” But that’s a horse of a different color!)
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 10 Aug 14:45
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The one that kills me is the positive use of “anymore,” which I’ve come to learn is colloquial to Northern Ireland and the midwest US, but good lord it just doesn’t sound right when people say stuff like “everybody’s cool anymore” instead of “everybody’s cool now.” For some reason I felt like it was becoming more common but now I’m thinking it might just be my exposure to midwest.social.
wischi@programming.dev
on 10 Aug 13:17
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First, could be autocorrect, and second: How many languages do you speak FFS?
Do you remember what you guys were using to burn millions of CDs at the time? Genuinely curious how it was done at that scale, as I think it was one of the biggest CD campaigns.
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works
on 10 Aug 14:12
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No idea. He clicked a button, they went out. I’m sure there was a big factory in China. Anytime new registrations were down for the month, send out another batch.
Ahh, I had the older "stylophone" style sportster. 28.8k. I think I have 2 really old miracom couriers somewhere, inherited from when my old office closed down. Actually I might even have an IBM RS6000/220 from the same shutdown at my parent's house.
Well, sounds like this is the end, guys. It was good getting to know you. I knew those 30-day free trials would run out eventually.
BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Aug 05:01
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But I only needed three more 30 day trials to finish downloading cd2 of the phantom menace cam that I started in 1999…
freddydunningkruger@lemmy.world
on 11 Aug 05:41
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AOL used to setup kiosk systems at computer stores so customers could experience AOL in the store, and each store was given a login account. Long after the kiosks went down, these accounts remained active, providing those employees “in the know” with free AOL all throughout its pay-by-the-hour years.
phillycodehound@lemmy.world
on 10 Aug 17:11
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Wow 34 Years of Dialup. Who still uses dial up? I guess that naive of me and is coming from a place of privelege.
Even simple pages are now at least 1-2MB big. News pages without an ad blocker and Autoplay videos can easily try to download 10 or more MB per page load.
On 56kbits dial up, 10MB will take about 25 mins in the best case.
AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Aug 01:24
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Up until probably about a decade ago I would occasionally go into small shops that used dial up to process credit card payments. There may still be some places doing that but I haven’t noticed it in a while.
rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world
on 10 Aug 17:44
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I actually had no idea that Firefox only exists because of AOL (The Mozilla Browser evolved into Firefox for those not in the know). Thanks for sharing that interesting bit of history.
To be pedantic there really wasn’t a standalone browser, it was the Netscape (later Mozilla) suite which was browser email WYSIWYG HTML editor and an irc client. Firefox, then called Firebird, was them fully decoupling it from the suite.
Also that’s why the email client is called Thunderbird, it was meant to be a separate but complimentary program to Firebird.
The pedantic part is that it wasn’t an evolution. The suite never died, it’s still around. They have a shared Netscape/Mozilla Suite ancestor. It’s called SeaMonkey.
They actually didn’t; the timeline is off. Mozilla was spun off as an open source version of Netscape Navigator in January 1998. Netscape was acquired by AOL in November.
Jamie Zawinski, who had been a major proponent of open sourcing it within Netscape, was a critic of the merger.
sylver_dragon@lemmy.world
on 10 Aug 22:24
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BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Aug 04:59
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POV: Be a software developer. It’s 2025. You’re maintaining dialer software for an ISP. The software is written in Delphi or Visual Basic. It’s all you’ve done since 1995. You’ve got 5 years to retirement. Corporate announces end of life for dial up services.
Not too bad really, considering that software developer has milked that cow for way longer than anyone would’ve thought. Those last 5 years will be challenging though, but maybe the software developer can sprinkle some AI over their resume and magically land some weird role that nobody can explain why we need it in the first place.
TheThrillOfTime@lemmy.ml
on 11 Aug 05:17
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Oh wow, dial-up in Germany died 20+ years ago. I’m surprised that’s still a thing. Well, was. But until now is really staggering. I wonder what you could even still do over such a connection, considering that even messenger services and email now use 3-5MB just completing the server handshake.
Just over the weekend I browsed trough my old blog (yes, those were a thing too) to check which year I did some remodeling on our house and stumbled on a note where I complained about slow 3G connection about 10 years ago. Compared to traditional dial-up that’s still orders of magnitude faster(~10/1Mbps back then on our location) but on a snowy day (with severe packet loss) it apparently took 10 minutes to get Skype and XMPP to even log in and over a minute to get SSH session open.
I suppose you can just barely get email trough today and even then you better not be in a hurry.
And since dial-up just uses a regular phone connection, there’s nothing stopping you from dialing up a dial-up provider from a different country, so dial-up still works in Germany.
In fact, you can host your own dial-up gateway at any time. All you need is a PC with both a dial-up modem (which are still readily available on places like Amazon or Galaxus) and an internet connection. Set both interfaces to bridge mode and you are your own little dial-up provider.
In some places this is still used in place of a VPN. Just put a dial-up modem inside the private network, connect it to a phone line and dial-up from the outside to get into the private network. Add a phone number allow-list to prevent access by unauthorized people.
The technology is ancient and not in wide-spread use anymore, obviously, and hasn’t been in a long time. But that’s the same pretty much anywhere. The main reason why AOL still had the service running (and why German providers did until 2023 too) is because it costs almost nothing to keep the service running for the handful of people who are still paying incredibly expensive internet contracts from the 90s.
Similar story with analogue telephone lines. In Austria there are only ~4000 customers left who use analogue telephone. But it costs nothing to keep it around and the people running it haven’t updated their phone contracts in 20+ years and thus pay crazy prices.
threaded - newest
After it is debut?
…and a similar disparity in cost.
YOU’VE GOT MAIL!
That’s not what I wanted, hew-man! <img alt="" src="https://media.tenor.com/tqlDDqFTR9oAAAAM/star-trek-quark.gif">
I thought we all had a collective and unsaid agreement not to talk about this one
Statute of limitations ran out.
Your mailbox is full!
Wow this is one of those instances where I’m simultaneously surprised something still exists and also find it to make a lot of sense that it still exists.
Yeah. Increasingly reliable satellite internet really killed their bottom line over the last few years.
Any alternatives to the Starlink?
The other satellite players (Hughesnet, Viasat), the fixed 5G boxes (although places sufficiently rural to seriously consider dialup may not have 5G), probably some smaller boutique dialup ISPs.
I read months ago that Amazon was stepping into the game but I haven’t heard anything since then.
What we really need to compete against Starlink’s network full of small satellites threatening a Kessler syndrome incident is a second network full of small satellites threatening s Kessler syndrome incident. And a third and a fourth.
Or put fiber everywhere.
Starlink satellites are in low Earth orbit. They could still cause Kessler syndrome, but aren’t as much of a concern as higher orbits.
Here are some quotes regarding this from and Aerospace America article
That’s just “the worst possible consequences won’t happen”. The danger at higher orbits is that things wouldn’t come down, and we couldn’t safely launch rockets past that orbit. That wouldn’t happen here, but destroying everything in LEO would still be pretty bad. Astronauts would likely die.
Currently, no one compares to Starlink, unfortunately. It’s really that much better. Source: FiL has been on the beta since the first constellation went up.
Kuiper and Guowang are currently launching satellites. It will probably be a few years before they are operational though.
While not the same thing, cellular internet is not bad these days. I’ve been on T-Mobile’s internet connection for a couple years and other than CGNAT making self-hosting harder, it’s been pretty solid. This is in a rural area where we got to choose between Cable or go get fucked for high speed internet for a long time.
Ah the USR sportster. An ubiquitous workhorse of the early '90s
GET OFF THE INTERNET! I NEED TO MAKE A CALL!
Ok, mum! Let me just upload my geocities site.
This was pretty much the very first thing I did when I got a job. Fit a second line for modem use!
I did that too, then i discovered i could log two computers into EverQuest and dual box.
FFS will people ever use “it’s” and “its” correctly ?
My autocorrect always tries to correct “its” to it’s" no matter the context
Same. But that shouldn’t be a factor in a professional publication.
“Could of” and similar phonetic replacements making no sense whatsoever irritate me more.
Here at least the logic is arbitrary, “Anna’s apartment” and “school’s leadership” vs “Anna’s waiting” and “school’s empty”, but “its tail” vs “it’s cold”.
OK, I’m not a native speaker as it may be clear.
Fwiw, the logic is, “its” isn’t quite the equivalent of “Anna’s” or “school’s.”
Rather it’s the equivalent of “his,” “hers,” and “theirs.” Also “mine” but that’s just irregular af. In other words, possessive pronouns don’t take an apostrophe while possessive nouns do.
It’s not a LOT of logic, a pretty shaky ladder, but there it is. 0
(Oh, and for both nouns and pronouns, position in the sentence makes a difference whether to use a contraction at all, or go with the separate “is.” But that’s a horse of a different color!)
The one that kills me is the positive use of “anymore,” which I’ve come to learn is colloquial to Northern Ireland and the midwest US, but good lord it just doesn’t sound right when people say stuff like “everybody’s cool anymore” instead of “everybody’s cool now.” For some reason I felt like it was becoming more common but now I’m thinking it might just be my exposure to midwest.social.
First, could be autocorrect, and second: How many languages do you speak FFS?
Yeah its so annoying when someone uses the wrong one
Oh you.
Look, just because your one of the people who understands it, doesn’t mean their one of the ones who do.
I would of got it right
wood have
Sigh
This comment hurt
Eye twitch at intentionally wrong use of they’re/their/there
Your instead of you’re.
Also that
It’s not are fault, it’s the school’s!
I worked there from 2002-2005. Was 2 cubicles down from the guy responsible for sending out the “free trial!” CDs. Fun times
I still have one, still in the cellophane. I use it as a coaster.
You got more use out of it than most
Do you remember what you guys were using to burn millions of CDs at the time? Genuinely curious how it was done at that scale, as I think it was one of the biggest CD campaigns.
No idea. He clicked a button, they went out. I’m sure there was a big factory in China. Anytime new registrations were down for the month, send out another batch.
At that scale discs are stamped, not individually burned. Same as how music CDs and DVDs were made.
Imagine the shear amount of waste that guy helped put on the planet! A few spots away from a real life villain!
What?
Ahh, I had the older "stylophone" style sportster. 28.8k. I think I have 2 really old miracom couriers somewhere, inherited from when my old office closed down. Actually I might even have an IBM RS6000/220 from the same shutdown at my parent's house.
Well that went off on a tangent.
No more free AOL disks? AWWWW
AOL… America Offline
Rip my pcmcia modem card 😭
Telephony still exists! It’s still good, it’s still good!
Goodbye!
Well, sounds like this is the end, guys. It was good getting to know you. I knew those 30-day free trials would run out eventually.
But I only needed three more 30 day trials to finish downloading cd2 of the phantom menace cam that I started in 1999…
AOL used to setup kiosk systems at computer stores so customers could experience AOL in the store, and each store was given a login account. Long after the kiosks went down, these accounts remained active, providing those employees “in the know” with free AOL all throughout its pay-by-the-hour years.
Wow 34 Years of Dialup. Who still uses dial up? I guess that naive of me and is coming from a place of privelege.
But still dial up??!
If you live in a rural area, it seems plausible
Yea I guess so. Man that must be difficult.
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Even simple pages are now at least 1-2MB big. News pages without an ad blocker and Autoplay videos can easily try to download 10 or more MB per page load. On 56kbits dial up, 10MB will take about 25 mins in the best case.
25 minutes later
*clicks button*
Up until probably about a decade ago I would occasionally go into small shops that used dial up to process credit card payments. There may still be some places doing that but I haven’t noticed it in a while.
Fitting that it’s ending in (eternal) September.
Deep cut appreciated and approved of.
Understanding this joke makes me feel old.
AOL Shield Browser is some absolute Wack Crap.
Remember how AOL bought Netscape and open-sourced it, leading to the Mozilla project?
AOL Shield Browser is based on Chromium.
…I get it, Chromium is easier to use for developing custom browsers than Gecko. But, still… why?
I actually had no idea that Firefox only exists because of AOL (The Mozilla Browser evolved into Firefox for those not in the know). Thanks for sharing that interesting bit of history.
To be pedantic there really wasn’t a standalone browser, it was the Netscape (later Mozilla) suite which was browser email WYSIWYG HTML editor and an irc client. Firefox, then called Firebird, was them fully decoupling it from the suite.
Also that’s why the email client is called Thunderbird, it was meant to be a separate but complimentary program to Firebird.
The pedantic part is that it wasn’t an evolution. The suite never died, it’s still around. They have a shared Netscape/Mozilla Suite ancestor. It’s called SeaMonkey.
They actually didn’t; the timeline is off. Mozilla was spun off as an open source version of Netscape Navigator in January 1998. Netscape was acquired by AOL in November.
Jamie Zawinski, who had been a major proponent of open sourcing it within Netscape, was a critic of the merger.
AOL was dead to me the day they dropped support for Neverwinter Nights.
TIL AOL still exists.
i miss the red dragon inn
LORD is still out there if you look. I think they have leaderboards under a new name
What’s that?
POV: Be a software developer. It’s 2025. You’re maintaining dialer software for an ISP. The software is written in Delphi or Visual Basic. It’s all you’ve done since 1995. You’ve got 5 years to retirement. Corporate announces end of life for dial up services.
Not too bad really, considering that software developer has milked that cow for way longer than anyone would’ve thought. Those last 5 years will be challenging though, but maybe the software developer can sprinkle some AI over their resume and magically land some weird role that nobody can explain why we need it in the first place.
I miss the old internet.
Oh wow, dial-up in Germany died 20+ years ago. I’m surprised that’s still a thing. Well, was. But until now is really staggering. I wonder what you could even still do over such a connection, considering that even messenger services and email now use 3-5MB just completing the server handshake.
Just over the weekend I browsed trough my old blog (yes, those were a thing too) to check which year I did some remodeling on our house and stumbled on a note where I complained about slow 3G connection about 10 years ago. Compared to traditional dial-up that’s still orders of magnitude faster(~10/1Mbps back then on our location) but on a snowy day (with severe packet loss) it apparently took 10 minutes to get Skype and XMPP to even log in and over a minute to get SSH session open.
I suppose you can just barely get email trough today and even then you better not be in a hurry.
Actually, dial-up in Germany died 2 years ago: www.teltarif.de/internet/by-call/
And since dial-up just uses a regular phone connection, there’s nothing stopping you from dialing up a dial-up provider from a different country, so dial-up still works in Germany.
In fact, you can host your own dial-up gateway at any time. All you need is a PC with both a dial-up modem (which are still readily available on places like Amazon or Galaxus) and an internet connection. Set both interfaces to bridge mode and you are your own little dial-up provider.
In some places this is still used in place of a VPN. Just put a dial-up modem inside the private network, connect it to a phone line and dial-up from the outside to get into the private network. Add a phone number allow-list to prevent access by unauthorized people.
The technology is ancient and not in wide-spread use anymore, obviously, and hasn’t been in a long time. But that’s the same pretty much anywhere. The main reason why AOL still had the service running (and why German providers did until 2023 too) is because it costs almost nothing to keep the service running for the handful of people who are still paying incredibly expensive internet contracts from the 90s.
Similar story with analogue telephone lines. In Austria there are only ~4000 customers left who use analogue telephone. But it costs nothing to keep it around and the people running it haven’t updated their phone contracts in 20+ years and thus pay crazy prices.
Wow. I didn’t know that dial up was still a thing in the US