Apple tells EU it has five different App Stores, not just one (9to5mac.com)
from neme@lemm.ee to technology@lemmy.world on 09 Jan 2024 15:08
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kaitco@lemmy.world on 09 Jan 2024 15:13 next collapse

That’s a bold move, Cotton. Let’s see if it works out for them.

PlasticPigeon@lemmy.world on 09 Jan 2024 17:08 collapse

Thought it sounded familiar. And after DuckDuckGoing it, it was indeed a bold comment and the search definitely paid off.

Savaran@lemmy.world on 09 Jan 2024 15:14 next collapse

“Oh thank you for letting us know so we can verify that all five have been opened up. Wouldn’t want to miss one”

eager_eagle@lemmy.world on 09 Jan 2024 15:14 next collapse

what a bunch of clowns

[deleted] on 09 Jan 2024 15:15 next collapse

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joyjoy@lemm.ee on 09 Jan 2024 15:22 next collapse

I think they mean 1 app store for each of their products.

The company in its argument to the EU competition enforcer said it operates five App Stores on iPhones, iPads, Mac computers, Apple TVs and Apple Watches, with each designed to distribute apps for a specific operating system and Apple device.

orclev@lemmy.world on 09 Jan 2024 15:50 next collapse

Ah yes, the classic “I didn’t commit a crime, I committed 5 crimes” defense. It’s a bold move Cotton, lets see how it works for them.

gedaliyah@lemmy.world on 09 Jan 2024 15:52 next collapse

It seems to be a way to minimize the incoming damage. The EU would have to prosecute each platform separately if the argument holds.

stown@sedd.it on 09 Jan 2024 19:25 next collapse

I would be curious to see how they separate those different catalogs on their backend. I assume that the store detects which device and serves a list of compatible apps.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world on 09 Jan 2024 20:30 collapse

And as someone who owns both an iPhone and an iPad, it’s obviously complete horseshit; If I buy an app on my iPhone and the same app is available on the iPad, it automatically gets added there too.

MeatsOfRage@lemmy.world on 09 Jan 2024 15:26 collapse

From the article it’s just the different stores for different hardware (iPhone, iPad, etc…)

kubica@kbin.social on 09 Jan 2024 15:16 next collapse

Deja vu.

MeatsOfRage@lemmy.world on 09 Jan 2024 15:21 next collapse

Apple App Store, Apple Music store, Apple Movies store, Apple Television store and uhhh Apple News. Checkmate EU

Really though, claiming your Apple App Store on 5 different hardware categories that you own excludes you from your monopoly is some bonzo horseshit. Can’t wait for the response on this one.

Patch@feddit.uk on 09 Jan 2024 15:40 next collapse

We don’t have a monopoly on one class of device, we have monopolies on five different classes of device. That’s definitely different and better!

ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world on 09 Jan 2024 15:57 next collapse

Better for us!

accideath@lemmy.world on 09 Jan 2024 21:42 next collapse

Hey, be fair, it’s only a monopoly on four out of the five classes.

whofearsthenight@lemm.ee on 11 Jan 2024 02:05 collapse

This is a fairly fundamental misunderstanding of anything related to monopoly or anti-trust law. Maybe, maybe the iPhone, and even then it’s a stretch. edit: at least in the US.

stown@sedd.it on 09 Jan 2024 19:16 next collapse

Still just one app store. The others are media stores.

MeatsOfRage@lemmy.world on 09 Jan 2024 23:09 collapse

Yea it was a joke, I got to the real issue in the second half of my comment

TheFriar@lemm.ee on 11 Jan 2024 01:23 collapse

“Bonzo horseshit” is the new “cellar door”

Lantern@lemmy.world on 09 Jan 2024 15:24 next collapse

This happened like a month ago. I recall hearing this argument before.

gedaliyah@lemmy.world on 09 Jan 2024 15:49 next collapse

Tim Cook is just three kids in a trenchcoat.

TimeSquirrel@kbin.social on 09 Jan 2024 16:01 collapse

Actually it's five sentient Apple IIGSs in a trench coat.

joyjoy@lemm.ee on 09 Jan 2024 20:36 collapse

Just like Marvel Studios.

shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip on 09 Jan 2024 15:51 next collapse

I think if apple ever gets fdroud they should call it “F-U-Apple”

Aatube@kbin.social on 09 Jan 2024 16:49 collapse

FApple is worse enough.

cjf@feddit.uk on 09 Jan 2024 15:55 next collapse

  • App Store for iPhone
  • App Store for iPad
  • App Store for Apple Watch
  • App Store for Mac
  • App Store for Apple TV

I guess if this gets argued correctly it means Apple could technically get away with not opening up the iPad, Apple TV and Apple Watch to accept other stores (Mac already lets you install apps directly from developers). I can see this still letting Apple continue to have the stranglehold over their ecosystem.

I doubt this will change much though. We all know the EU were specifically thinking about the iPhone which needs opening up.

TimeSquirrel@kbin.social on 09 Jan 2024 15:58 next collapse

Mac already lets you install apps directly from developers

I just find this language interesting. How a computer now "lets" you install non-walled garden software, as if that hasn't been the default behavior for personal computers for over 40 years since the beginning.

cjf@feddit.uk on 09 Jan 2024 16:06 next collapse

I get what you’re saying and I hate that I had to write it like that. Was saying it to point out that Mac’s just aren’t as locked down as other Apple devices so won’t be subject to the EU ruling anyway.

The entire argument is stupid anyway.

ABCDE@lemmy.world on 10 Jan 2024 01:38 collapse

They do limit you without a certain (hidden) key press if the developer isn’t on a trusted list.

Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi on 10 Jan 2024 13:57 collapse

AFAIK it uses certificates for that, kinda like a more aggressive form of Windows’ User Account Control.

AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world on 09 Jan 2024 21:12 collapse

But I thought that the whole thing about the mac was that it wasn’t a personal computer (pc)?

otp@sh.itjust.works on 10 Jan 2024 04:30 collapse

What, does it still belong to Apple after you buy it? Lol

Auzymundius@lemmy.world on 10 Jan 2024 14:44 collapse

I think he might be referencing those “I’m a Mac. And I’m a PC” commercials

otp@sh.itjust.works on 10 Jan 2024 23:57 collapse

Which were stupid for their phrasing, but marketing genius, lol

Some people literally believe that a Mac cannot be called a PC.

firecat@kbin.social on 09 Jan 2024 16:12 next collapse

It won’t pass, they were all built with Swift Programming and Apple owns it. This can also be said about all Apple apps in the play store, the requirement for Swift is unavoidable.

current@lemmy.ml on 10 Jan 2024 01:13 collapse

Uhhh what? Swift is just one of the languages you can use to make native UI for Apple devices and interact with their API.

firecat@kbin.social on 10 Jan 2024 01:34 collapse

Yes but you’ll get problems during uploads. It’s like Google forcing you to use Android Studio instead of verifying by other means. That’s why people often go to pay others because they don’t want to mess with the verification process.

noodlejetski@lemm.ee on 09 Jan 2024 16:20 collapse

“well ackshullyyyyyy…”

- Apple lawyer

Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world on 09 Jan 2024 16:08 next collapse

Then why do developers manage all of those apps through a single experience?

hedgehog@ttrpg.network on 09 Jan 2024 16:41 collapse

And why can consumers purchase an app on their iPhone and have it automatically installed on their iPad?

Are iPhone apps that don’t have iPad versions that you install on your iPad anyway coming from the iPhone App Store or from the iPad App Store?

bamboo@lemm.ee on 09 Jan 2024 19:35 collapse

Apple silicon Macs also let you install iOS/iPadOS apps. Which App Store is it then?

Dehydrated@lemmy.world on 09 Jan 2024 16:41 next collapse

Wow, corporations are so hilarious

pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 09 Jan 2024 17:24 next collapse

app store , cydia uhhhhhhhhh

SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world on 09 Jan 2024 18:17 next collapse

EU says it’s not the EU fining Apple. It’s actually 27 different countries. Now pay up.

qyron@sopuli.xyz on 09 Jan 2024 19:29 collapse

27 times

flop_leash_973@lemmy.world on 09 Jan 2024 22:07 next collapse

“Your honor, we actually operate 5 different app stores…that all just so happen to be called the same thing, share the same backend infrastructure, etc. With what you end up being able to see device side depending on device metadata. But they are 5 different stores, we swear”… /s

Or something like that.

detalferous@lemm.ee on 10 Jan 2024 13:49 collapse

And they all compete vigorously against one another, behind the scenes!

Crack0n7uesday@lemmy.world on 09 Jan 2024 23:33 next collapse

Did they start counting Cydia?

mlg@lemmy.world on 10 Jan 2024 01:40 collapse

damn this brought back memories of installious and that other one I forgot the name of lol

serial_crusher@lemmy.basedcount.com on 09 Jan 2024 22:17 next collapse

Lawyers gonna lawy.

captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works on 11 Jan 2024 01:13 collapse

So let me get this straight.

The EU is finding Apple in breach of their antitrust laws, and requiring Apple to allow third party apps on their platform, like how Android devices can install Fdroid or…can non-Samsung devices install the Galaxy Store? Their argument about why they shouldn’t have to do that is “we actually have multiple app stores”, at least partially counting MacOS, iPadOS and iOS as separate platforms that just so happen to have converging internal technology (they’re all ARM-based platforms now), branding and UI. Why do lawyers get to say irrelevant shit without repercussions?