Apple users bash new iPhone 15: ‘Innovation died with Steve Jobs’
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from L4s@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 14 Sep 2023 04:00
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from L4s@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 14 Sep 2023 04:00
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Apple users bash new iPhone 15: ‘Innovation died with Steve Jobs’::Smart phone fans are griping about Apple’s new devices since the arguably anti-climactic announcement of the forthcoming iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus on Tuesday.
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“its the same phone”
“We put a bigger number on the box.”
We also changed the 14 to a 15
Congratulations, you have discovered car manufacturers too.
I was watching the announcement yesterday and afterwards I was trying to recollect what cool new feature there was, I had to rewatch it because I fell asleep, but even then I couldn’t find anything. They should thank the EU that they at least can talk about the difference between USB2 and USB3 speeds.
Lightning was already capable of USB 3 speeds. The OG iPad Pro had it.
They just never brought it over to their phones/cheaper ipads.
The iPad Pro had an external USB3 chipset on the mainboard. There likely isn’t space for an external controller in an iPhone.
It wasn’t really though.
The original iPad Pro had to do some shenanigans with it, which is why it only worked with a couple of specific accessories like the SD card dongle. They had special lightning connectors.
Lightning itself is only capable of usb 2 because of the pin set. Each side is redundant to the other to make it reversible. USB-c is a bigger connector with more pins.
The accessories that it worked with had a modified lightning connector that wasn’t redundant. The iPad would figure it out and change how data was flowing to the lightning connector.
That turned out to be a significant pain in the ass so they scrapped it and went to USB-C instead which solved that issue entirely, without having to pull the backend shenanigans.
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“It doesn’t cure cancer, it sucks lmao FOSS 4EVA!!!” - average lemmy user.
Steve Jobs didn’t innovate a thing in his life. Apple has always been stealing tech and pretending that they created it.
Now with this new version, they don’t even have much anything to steal. At best, they pretended that the EU didn’t force them to adopt USB 3 and boast how much faster it is than Lightning port.
Actually the EU only forced them to adopt USB C. Only their ‘Pro’ model actually has USB 3. Imagine having to pay a premium for the luxury of a 15 year old technology
A 15 year old technology pretty much every other phone uses now. A technology used in pretty much every modern laptop - especially Apple’s own - and many desktops.
15 years ago was Micro-USB, which was awful.
And they still don’t have PD on the pro.
My guess is that they’ll be going portless soon, and don’t want users freaking out that they can’t change their phones as quickly, so they’re intentionally nerfing the charge speeds on USB C.
They have to have USB power delivery by the EU law but only as fast as the device supports at all. So if they only have 20W charging at all that’s legal.
With how much they’re investing in video and how large their camera/film user base is, they will not go portless.
USB C without PD ain’t compliant with the EU regulation, so I hope for them, and their users, that PD is onboard.
Apple just wants to get rid of low income people having an iphone.
Iphones whole thing has always been to be a luxury brand, that only rich people can afford.
Yeah wtf is apple innovating?
Coincidentally, USB C. Just not on their mobile devices.
They were some of the first to ship a laptop with USB C, and they went balls out.
No coincidence, Apple helped design USB-C. They have been slowly transitioning for years but everyone thinks the EU “made” them switch.
USBC has been around for years now, so why not make the switch before they’re legally required to, if not to keep users on proprietary cables for just a little longer?
USC-C spec was finalized about two years after they made the switch to Lightning. The first smartphone with USB-C came 6 months after that finalization. Apple wanted to get rid the 30 pin and felt the uncertainty around USB-C timeline was too high, so they rolled their own.
If they switched to USB-C for phones just 2-3 years after Lightning it would’ve been a terrible experience for iPhone users.
I remember the outrage around moving to lightning. Doing it again so soon after for a connector that’s (slightly) more fragile and provided no real benefit would have seriously hurt sales.
i just had a memory show up in my facebook timeline with a comparison of the number of ports Apple had used on the iPhone and how many Samsung had used. samsung had used something like a dozen in the same timeframe of about 5 years but everyone was pissed that the 30 pin was going away. and on top of that, lightning was introduced as ‘a port for a decade’ which, incidentally, it’s been in use for… 10 years.
Are you serious with that comment? EU definitely made them switch.
Did they make them switch the MacBook to USB-C? Did they make them switch the iPad to USB-C?
No. What’s your point?
The EU probably made them switch.
Not coincidentally. Ironically.
Yeah because the first iPhone wasn’t a Revolution,
Not for anyone that knew about mobiles…
Yeah bruh, you could have had a super fucking revolutionary sidekick, Windows PDA missing capacitive touch, of if you were really special a blackberry!
The mental gymnastics of you people.
No dude, there were already symbian touchscreen devices on the market
What symbian device had a capacitive multi touch display in 2007?
I love how you apple cultists just move the goal posts whenever you get proven wrong about something
The only revolution was getting dumbass Americans to buy something
So since you cannot answer a simple question you attack me with a VERY imaginative story about cultest 🤣.
Whatever you need to do to make your head cannon work.
Doesn’t mean the iPhone wasn’t revolutionary.
I was (and still am) a mobile app developer at the time. We had every major phone on the market in our office for testing purposes. Literally hundreds of different phones. You name any popular (and less popular) phone on the market at that time and I can guarantee you I’ve used it extensively.
The iPhone was absolutely revolutionary. However, it wasn’t because of a specific piece of technology, it was execution.
Symbian touch-screen phones existed, they were slow and laggy. The UI was nothing like the iPhone, which is built around directly manipulating UI elements with your finger. It seems obvious now, but back then it wasn’t. You could use the touch screen to manipulate a tiny scrollbar.
The closest thing to the iPhone was the LG Prada (KE850), which had a capacitive touch screen and the same scrolling mechanism as iPhone. However, it was small, had a tiny screen and was relatively slow. The software was also very limited, it was basically a feature phone, not a smartphone.
The iPhone was basically the first phone that got all of it right.
So what you’re saying is that it was an evolution of stuff already on the market. I mean the iPhone didn’t even have apps when it came out
Apple coined the term App with the introduction of the App Store. They weren’t called that before the iPhone. That’s how influential the iPhone and its ecosystem were.
I can’t stand Apple’s ecosystem, but pretending like it wasn’t a major shift is just weird.
They were called applications or programs… the big innovation was the walled garden store only from which you can install programs. Before that you went to the software developer 's website and downloaded the package
It was absolutely a revolution.
The relevant definition of revolution: “a dramatic and wide-reaching change in conditions, attitudes, or operation.”
It didn’t matter if the technology already existed, hardly anyone was using it. Capacitive touchscreens existed, but there was no dramatic change, they were just used in the same way as resistive touchscreens. It was a different way of building a touchscreen, but very much an evolutionary change.
The iPhone was a revolution because it caused a dramatic and almost overnight change in the industry. What techies usually fail to see it that technology doesn’t matter. What matters is how it is used and what it allows people to do.
The iPhone was an incredibly obvious idea to follow up the iPod.
LOL no it wasn’t.
Sure, the idea of an apple phone had been out there for a while, but the actual device wasn’t obvious at all. Just look at all the speculation before the event, people making mockups of what they thought the iPhone would look like. Just look at the industry reactions afterwards.
For example, the reaction of blackberry founder Mike Lazaridis
Or the reaction from the people at Google working on Android
It was absolutely revolutionary at the time. The fact that the way it works seems obvious after the fact is testament to how good and revolutionary it actually was. We can’t even imagine things working differently anymore, but it was only obvious after it was revealed.
Wow bro you think I’m going to read all that bullshit? Lol. I’m not some genius and even I saw the iPhone coming back then. It was totally obvious if you spent any time thinking about the iPod at all.
Yeah no. The iPhone looks nothing like an iPod, and no one else predicted anything like the iPhone. But hey, you obviously thought of it.
Even the people working on Android at that time had nothing like it. Initially Android was going to be a lot like a Blackberry. They had to go back to the drawing board after the iPhone announcement. What a shame that Google didn’t have a brilliant mind like you working for them, they could have saved all that time and money and worked on the ‘obvious’ design from day one.
i was working in mobile at the time, and it was my job to keep up with the leading tech. i was using a Palm Treo when the iPhone was released, which was arguably the most advanced PDA phone at the time with blackberry being the primary competitor.
i vividly remember watching the announcement from the iphone and being shaken with how the device worked. the fact that you interact with it without a stylus, the highest resolution screen available on a PDA phone, combining the functionality of an ipod, phone, and rich HTML internet browsing device, and the fucking triple layered capacitive multi-touch touch screen were absolutely revolutionary. to say anything else is revisionist history. no one else had anything remotely like it.
and anyone who knew anything about mobiles at the time knew it was revolutionary and that the world was changing that day.
It was not revolutionary in the sense of technology, it was revolutionary in the sense of getting the general public to understand and accept the idea of a smartphone.
EDIT: Not to say it’s still necessary. I mostly stick to the iPhone because I don’t want to repurchase all the apps I already purchased, some for a significant amount, if I have to replace my phone. If that becomes moot one day, like if iPhones get to the point that they’re unusable or somehow Apple goes under, I’ll switch.
So they had “innovative marketing”, ok.
Translation: “I blindly hate Apple and I have no idea what I’m talking about.”
Um… I’m on a Macbook right now and I have an iPhone.
People always down vote when I point that out as well lol. Windows mobile was already moving towards icon based UIs pre iPhone, so while the UI was a definite improvement it wasn’t the revolution it’s made out to be. The iPhone 1 had no app store or 3g so was not good for emails and, back in 2007 when flash still mattered, couldn’t access most of the Internet where windows phone could. I’m pretty sure it was successful purely based on the iPods popularity, at least until the iPhone 3gs and app store came out and the iPhone became arguably a better smartphone than those that came before.
Did Jobs build teams that invented the GUI, the cellphone, multitouch gestures, or mobile web browsing? No, he didn’t. But he built teams that productized those things better than anyone else before them, and that team forever changed our expectations for computing.
To be an innovative composer you don’t have to invent new instruments, scales, time signatures, etc. You have to know how to arrange existing stuff in new ways.
Yep, I am not a Jobs fan boy at all but he definitely had a clear goal and required people to get the product right before shipping it, to the extent to which that was possible for the tech at the time.
Yeah. The man was a piece of shit in several ways, but he was also good at what he did.
They can’t. It’s clearly stated that the USB connector is still limited to the lightning speed.
Apparently the Pro version has USB 3.0. Still mediocre compared to new Android phones (not just the flagships) that are pushing Thunderbolt.
Hooking up your android phone to an ultrawide with built-in dock is still funny, but not very useful.
I did it once with a Windows Phone. Bar the novelty thing, it is not something I found useful
What android phone supports thunderbolt?
I got USB 3.2+ confused with Thunderbolt, since the terms are used intermixed. I mean USB alt-mode (display and peripherals)
There is no such thing as ‘lightning speed’. It’s just a connector, not a data communication standard. The non-pro iPhone 15 uses the same SoC as last year’s pro models, which happens to have an USB 2.0 controller. The new SoC used in the 15 Pro models have a 10 gbit USB 3.0 controller on board.
“Still limited to the same speed of the model using the lightning connector” did not have the same ring to it.
Did not know they finally moved to a usb3 chipset on the pro when I commented, good to hear.
Except that their implementation of USB-C will be way slower than the lightning port.Edit: I’ve been schooled.
The lightning port is USB 2. The 15 is USB 2, powered by the same USB 2 chipset as the 14 pro. The only difference is the connector not the cables or encoding.
The 15 pro has USB 3, which is faster than the lighting port ever was.
Oh, I’ve been schooled. Thanks.
lmao what?
I bet you also think it’s the year of the Linux desktop 🙄
Their Laptop Chips are in fact leading technology. Intel and AMD are far behind in Performance/Power used
You’re correct, but it’s important to note that the M chips are very expensive to produce, and abandoning x86 means literally all the software iOS and OSX uses needs to be rewritten (or translated via Rosetta). It’s a huge project with tons of risks and massive costs. Apple can do this because they’re pretty much completely vertically integrated at this point, and control their ecosystem completely. If amd independently released some new non compatible architecture that was dramatically faster, it’d likely be dead in the water.
Intel learned this lesson the hard way during the Itanic days. AMD took the relatively safer approach when they released amd64.
Correct. I wish there were open source chips in this category. Not that anyone could afford to produce it, but I believe Software for a chip with a new instruction set would be more adapted if you could look everything up
There are, Risc-V has been hard at work with several partners (including Bosch and Qualcomm) to bring comparable RISC SoCs to consumer markets (there are already industrial offerings). But it’s not fast nor cheap to do it. It also has a major drawback that’s never talked about that, unlike x86, SoCs become obsolete way sooner for a much higher upfront cost. So, an upgradeable Risc-V option is kind of an elusive idea, for most of the computing power and energy consumption advantages come from the System on a chip design. Today people expect more storage space than ever, and to play with the newer and most powerful graphics options. Something that SoCs cannot change fast or easily.
Software support is also the worst point right now, a problem that Apple addressed by bearing the brunt of the port and compatibility work. But it’s not so simple for other vendors who have to rely on third parties to make their software available in their platform.
Why spend more in a new laptop that is barely just as powerful and runs none of the software you want? Apple cult clout is the only thing leading the sales of the Apple Silicon. And software developers are not interested on porting their software to a platform with no users.
On the other hand Risc-V has only existed since 2015, so it’s massive strides and advances are actually quite impressive. And with more governments looking to become independent from Chinese transistors we might be looking at a new processor arch era, though only after a short growing pains period that we are in right now.
RISC-V is open source. Lots of boards are moving to RISC-V.
Well it seems I am not up to day on the topic. This is great
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You’re right.
Apple is the first company to ever try rounded corners.
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Sure. Let’s talk about Steve Wozniak.
Apple was literally founded and initially successful off Steve jobs monetizing Woz’s genius. It is not at all a stretch to claim Steve Jobs never innovated a thing.
In modern apple, of course they are far more likely to buy innovative technologies and fund development or copy competitors. Why would they spend money funding R&D when they can more cheaply buy out worthwhile concepts?
In every way except for starters their UI is absolutely dog shit
That is absolute bullshit. Sure he was an asshole to his co-workers and even his family, but I’m so tired of this false narrative that acts like Jobs is completely overrated.
Yeah remember when they stole the click wheel concept from…oh wait they didn’t steal that. Remember when they stole MacOS from…oh wait…they didn’t do that either.
Stop being an armchair expert on something you have zero clue about. JFC.
‘Good artists copy; great artists steal’ -Steve Jobs, proudly bragging about stealing ideas.
Such as the mouse which they stole from Xerox. There are many examples of this for people who don’t have apple dick in their mouths
XWindows? Was that what you were going to say?
Wow, you are really digging the bottom of the barrel…
Eh. I mean, are there any great innovations left when it comes to smartphones? They kinda all just look and do the same nowadays.
They sure made USB3 look like a breakthrough innovation, though…
Of course, they’re just being done on Android until Apple takes them on later and markets them as their innovations.
Foldables are already a thing and the next iPhone will likely be their version of it.
Innovation is kind of their job
Functioning AI voice assist, foldable, better peripherals, better input systems, better data transfer between systems, more durable, better battery life, repairable, more sustainable, better UI, decentralised communication options, meshnet options, etc.
There’s plenty to do about smartphones that needs innovating…
They are always making Siri better (check out the news for it), I super do not want a foldable phone, the Apple peripherals are quite good, the data transfer between Apple systems is one of the main appeals of Apple, never broke an Apple product unless I chuck it at a wall, battery life is quite good I have a 4 year old phone that still has 24 hour battery life, Apple is committed to making not just their products but the entire company carbon neutral by 2030, Apple UI is also one of the main appeals since it’s so nice.
Literally every major company on the planet is, doesn’t mean they actually are working towards it.
They are tho
Wow I’m sure the website from apple full of promises is a good indicator of how good they’re actually doing for the environment. I’m sure they’re also planning to stop their model based on mass producing new hardly-repairable phones every year and pushing consumers to buy them rather than keeping their functioning ones, sometimes by cutting support and bricking their old phones.
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Apple is always doing all of that other than the fokdable, which has been turned for a long time.
AirDrop and AirPlay are always getting better between Apple products. They literally just made the iPhone titanium for better durability. It has better battery life pretty much every year.
This one is more repairable than ever with the easily removable glass.
Those are all things Apple announces every year and everyone shits on them because it’s not innovative enough, like every year needs to be 2011 again when phones were making massive leaps year over year.
Like oh, this chip is only 20% faster than the last one with only 10% better battery life. Yawn.
Last I checked they’re not very keen on repairability (Being able to remove glass and being able to fix everything are two different things) and sustaniability (and no making a phone more efficient/produce less ghg/etc does not mean caring about sustainability when your whole model is mass producing and selling new phones every year while encouraging customers to ditch their current functioning phones for the new one, sometimes by purposefully removing support for them or bricking them with updates)
iPhones are more repairable than their comparable flagships from other companies. www.ifixit.com/smartphone-repairability
iFixit gave the 14 and 14 plus a 7 for repairability and a 6 for the pros, compared to a 3 for the Galaxy S22 and S22 ultra. The Pixel 6 pro only got a 5 and the base pixel 6 got a 6.
The 15 pro introduced more repairability with changing the back glass mechanism to be easily swappable, which was the biggest issue with earlier pro models and why they only got a 6.
They support phones longer than anyone else, and have a massively more robust recycling program to recapture virtually everything from older models and use them in new ones.
Also, plot twist, every company has the same model of encouraging you to buy a new one every year. That’s not specific to Apple in the least. Other companies essentially force you to upgrade sooner by dropping support entirely after a couple of versions while Apple supports for 5-7+ years.
At no point have I defended other companies, other than FairPhone, on either of those points.
Really debatable, since apps battery consumption increases balances it out. It really feels like we have to upgrade just to keep up.
REALLY debatable. There’s some UI updates that I abhor. Several have reduced functionality.
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I think innovations in phones are going to go the other direction honestly. Bringing back shit like eink displays, batteries that last days, fuck it, am/fm… New consumer tech is outpacing the users needs. I see a touch of old standards making a comeback. Hell how old is USB-C?
What you’re describing is not innovation.
Neither is what Apple is doing and I guess thats my point. How much higher tech to people reasonably need or want in their pocket? Is innovation for its own sake really innovation? They are just remarketing existing tech as features without a demand.
Oh, in that case I would have said something like “Companies are bringing back useful features and call it innovation.”
Fuck it, but an antenna and TV tuner on there. Give Cathode Ray Dude something to enjoy.
I’ve commented this elsewhere in this thread:
I dislike Apple, but I think it’s mostly vendors and reviewers that highlight the connector (both protocol and form), Apple isn’t doing it.
Honestly, this is such a weird take because, yes. Of course there are innovations left, you just cannot think of them yourself now because then they obviously would not be innovative but rather same old same old. Now the rate of new innovations probably did slow down a lot, I agree with that, so its harder to find something that is innovative in this space.
I am holding out for rollables! There still so many things that can be done. Satellite coms and holographic displays are my dreams.
i just don’t see holographic displays being all that great to interact with. they might look pretty, but what’s the advantage over what we have now?
Speaking of sat comms, imagine a cell device with a whole suite of radio tools for amateur operators and professional ones. Im waiting for the FTC to open up some fun bands for us to play with as they depopulate while consumers etc switch to the newer ones.
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Pov: you dont understand what innovation mean.
The iPhone is their cash cow. They need it to bring stable and sizeable income to fund things like vr goggles. I’m not saying the haters are wrong, just that their expectations for what Apple will innovate on the iPhone might be a little misplaced.
The haters are looking for any surface to attack.
Isn’t the Apple ecosystem their cashcow? Get them hooked on one Apple device and “Look! Everything Just Works™” is kind of their shtick.
All accessory vendors are going “woah, revolutionary! Apple is now usb-c”, but Apple itself isn’t being too pushy about it. They’re more focused on the titanium shell, better cams and action button.
iPhone makes up like 75% of their hardware revenue.
Leave it to Apple to release a new iPhone with intentionally outdated, hamstrung technology just to upsell more expensive models.
My 2013 Samsung had usb 3, used a special micro USB 3 cable but still.
And Samsung quickly switched back to USB 2 shortly after because nobody really cared and it created other problems.
What other problems?
RF interference I believe.
Oh, interesting!
All phone models for the last many years from them have USB 3.
That’s mainly because microusb 3.0 was a failed tech, the cable was just so unwieldy and huge. Focus of S6 was on design so a large chunky port would be very difficult to keep.
The base model hardware is usually the chips, boards and controllers from last year’s pro phones. If that trend continues, next year’s base models will be on the new IO.
It’s shocking that they’re so openly scamming their customers. Base models comes with last’s year chip and features. Has a gimped USB 2.0 port for maybe a 5$ difference. It’s a total insult.
The only thing apple can really do to push the platform forward is to allow people to dock their phone and use it as a desktop.
But they are not doing this because it will hurt their laptop and desktop sales.
They also don’t want to let people sideload. They know that people will not want to use a washed down desktop version because people don’t like using the washed down iPadOS desktop version.
This will be tough when the USB interface is still using USB 2.0.
Even the USB 2.0 phones support DisplayPort 4K 60Hz/HDR macrumors.com/…/all-iphone-15-models-support-disp…
Sure, 3.0 would be better for transferring files, but I’m personally not transferring stuff like this.
I do t expect apple to even do this for year anyway. Maybe that’s when I’ll do my next upgrade.
Usb-c is going to be a big deal for connecting devices to the phone. Now I don’t need to have some studios lightning adapter to plug in a usb drive or to get video out.
I look forward to experimenting with different things connected to see how they work. I’m curious how video out is handled. But I’m guessing I’ll be disappointed in most cases.
I expect being able to connect a usb drive will be helpful though.
Android users welcome you to 2017…
…or not. Apple will limit USB-C to USB 2.0 speeds so… good luck with that.
Isn’t the limit apply to non-pro devices only (which is still ridiculous btw)?
That is correct as the Pro devices have the A17 chip and the non pro are on the older A16 chip.
Wtf so the non pro are even worse than last year pro in every aspect?
And still 950€ for the base model …
The iPhone 14 Pro had the A16 chip. The 15 non-pro now has the A16 chip so they’re “passing down” the previous chip to the no -pro line, at least this year. Previously, they reused the A15 from the iPhone 13 lineup which was also re-used for the non-pro 14 iPhones.
Apple A15 & Apple A16
no, the 15 is effectively the 14 Pro in an aluminum shell and 2 cameras instead of 3.
Is this a first year sort of thing or is it going to be this way going forward? Like, they didn’t want to have to engineer it for the older chip because it’ll be dropped after this year whereas the A17 will likely power the non-Pro Iphone 16 and the A18 will power the Pro version. I don’t put it past Apple to pull some douchery to try to drive Pro sales, but there could be a logical reason for it.
They’ve done it the last couple of models.
It’s a way to further differentiate the pro from the non pro, and to keep the non pro price the same. They haven’t changed the price on that since the 12.
The base has been $799 since 2020. Inflation alone should mean it would be $950 this year with no other changes.
Seems that it comes down to Apple adding a USB 3 controller in the
A16A17 chip where theA15A16 did not have one embedded. They’d otherwise need to have an external controller to add support in the non-pro phones which is easier said than done when dealing with a phone. Annoying but understandable at least.A17 and A16 respectively. You’re behind a year lol
Thanks - numbers are hard lol
Honestly I am fine with it. It looks like they did not have the usb3 controller built into the cpu until they made the 17 and m1 chips. To be honest, I am not going be moving any large files between the phone and a flash drive, at most a short video. The slower speeds will not bother me.
Pro models support up to 10 gigs per second which is a touch more than 2.0
e.g. “pay us to remove the artificial speed.”
Huh, so that’s why Apple stocks dropped
That likely had much more to do with the China drama.
No matter what the subject, the NY Post is not even good for toilet paper.
It died long before Steve Jobs did. Steve straight up fought tooth and nail to keep superior emerging technologies like OLED off new iPhone’s.
Steve’s big computer innovation was fanless design. Apple had to design custom power supplies with custom voltages and custom motherboards. Then the power supplies started overheating and failing after a couple years the replacement power supply was 500 when a normal power supply was 100.
Y’all are unironically engaging with a NYPost article
It’s an insult to call this an article, is regurgitating some shit some dudes on twitter said.
Thats 50% of modern journalism. The other 50% is copying police press releases verbatim without investigation.
It’s always been a large chunk of journalism. Great Journalism always has and continues to exist, but the kicker is those people deserve to get paid for their work, and few people want to participate in paying for content, so low effort spam is more lucrative.
Here’s an idea:
Your current phone is enough.
I just upgraded to an iPhone 13. I only did that because the battery in my XR was dying and a new phone was $10 a month. Otherwise, I would have been fine keeping it indefinitely.
If I may ask: why not a FairPhone? Those are repairable so they seem like a good investment if you’re gonna spend iPhone level of money*.
*Tho I guess an older iPhone 13 is cheaper than a new FairPhone nowadays but idk by how much.
Because I can’t get one for $10 a month and I don’t want to repurchase the hundreds of dollars worth of apps I’ve already paid for.
Angry shareholder noises
Shareholders can cope and seeth
Except the battery won’t hold a charge any more and it’s impossible to replace
Ah, right. They have time until 2025 for replaceable batteries. They want to milk you until the last moment (not only Apple).
And then there’s the issue of security updates.
Not Impossible support.apple.com/iphone/…/battery-replacement
Grab FairPhone.
Yeah I think so, but they’ve stopped providing security updates for it.
Custom rom
phone manufacturers hiss and recoil like vampires
My Pixel 2 XL that’s suffering begs to differ…
Most hilarious is adding USB-C, announcing lightning 5 and then keeping the transfer rate at USB 2.0 speeds.
So stop buying them!
1/2 the people complaining about the lack of innovation will turn around and order a new iPhone within the next 12 months or so. Apple doesn’t know or care about your snarky comments about them, but they sure as hell know you just gave them many hundreds of dollars for a new phone.
100% this
It’s some idiots on Twitter being reposted by a trash tabloid. This site should be banned from here it’s garbage.
Imagine if these stupid fucking articles came out about desktops and laptops each year. What is wrong with you people that you upvote this shit out come in here bitching about how apple NEVER innovated.
No one’s claiming that Apple was never innovative, they developed the smart phone and helped out computers in the household. However, those years are way behind them and the only thing they do now is find new ways to hoodwink their customers into buying the same thing each year.
The new Apple silicon in the Mac lineup is the most exciting thing they have done in the PC space in more than a decade.
🙄👌👍
I just miss all the backwards comparability Jobs used to maintain. When he was driving the bus, he may have been a complete asshole, but he made sure a 12 year old mac computer could still work with the new tech, as best as it could.
Snow Leopard was the last, glorious OSX that was secure (enough), and very malleable.
Now? I want to dump their whole ecosystem.
Do it. I did and never regretted it. I don’t know anyone who has. And you aren’t locked in like you think. It’s really easy to convert everything over.
I don’t think Apple has every really had great backwards compatibility. Apple’s last PowerPC computers shipped in 2005, and in 2009 Snow Leopard released with no PowerPC support. That’s 4 years of upgrades, which is about the same as it is now for macOS.
I hear Linux is on the rise. ;)
Hear this remark every year now.
At this point I’m trying to figure out what people want from yearly releases. iPhones are pretty much already packed with every feature imaginable. There’s not much more to add without completely transforming the device into something it isn’t.
The base model of the iPhone still doesn’t have USB 3 and won’t have the latest USB-PD. The USB 2 standard was released over 20 years ago. The Lightning plug was released over 10 years ago. The plug technology on iPhones is seemingly being kept out of date on purpose. At least that is what people are complaining about.
They repinned the current chipset from the current iPhone 14 to use USB-C, which is why the base model won’t be USB3. They’ve done this with every model, the previous pro becomes the base model chipset next gen.
Next year the base model will likely have USB3. And lightning worked for 99% of Apple users. The 1% complained a lot, but the majority of iPhone users no longer plug in their phone to anything but the wall.
Honestly, with wireless charging, I rarely even plug it into the wall anymore. The only time I really use the Lightning connector is when I’m out for extended periods of time and need to plug into a power bank.
Same here. I have a MagSafe charger stand on my desk and it’s pretty much the only place I charge now. There’s been a few times I’ve tried to transfer files, but iTunes was such a PoS on Windows that I gave up
Apple users really just didn’t notice the limitations. Whether you consider that “working” is up to you.
Apple users are used to their phones taking ninety minutes to charge and not lasting the whole day. They consider that “normal” and are unlikely to consider that for Android devices, even cheap ones, sub-1 hour fast charging and all-day battery life are standard, not exceptions.
Apple’s (previously) bundled charger is a measly 5 W whereas my cheap $150 OnePlus comes with a 33 W charger, delivering over six times as much power. Granted, Apple devices tend to be more power-efficient than others, but not six times less.
I use my iPhone extensively and it consistently lasts me all day. The iPhone 11 Pro came with a 20w charger in the box (although admittedly they removed the power adapter from the 12)
The context of my original comment is the base iPhone model. Nonetheless, it’s still to be noted that the default charger that came with your iPhone 11 (18 W, not 20 W) still delivers 45% less power than the default 33 W charger that came with my OnePlus Nord N20 5G.
From what I can read online, it takes one hour to go from 0 to 80% on an iPhone 11 Pro using the default charger. It takes my phone a bit over half an hour.
Remember, I am comparing an iPhone with an MSRP of $999 to a phone that I bought for $150. Refurbished iPhone 11 Pros still sell for $300.
I believe that my point that iPhones have comparatively poor chargers for their price point stands. Charging technology has not changed significantly from then to now. The effect of Apple’s recalcitrance is that even the cheapest Android phones can run circles around iPhones when it comes to charging. I hope Apple with take this opportunity to deliver a better product for their users rather than making only incremental improvements to old technology.
My $200 Motorola came with a 68w charger which is quite frankly ludicrous for a phone, and I prefer to use the slow charger so I don’t heat and damage my battery unless I’m in a hurry (and my phone always lasts a whole day of heavy use so I’m almost never in a hurry to charge)
Where did you get the idea that Android phones have longer battery life? iPhones usually do very good in battery life comparisons. Usually you have to go ~20% larger battery on an android device to get the same battery life as an iphone. Of course if you look at just the top charts you get a number of large Android phones with like 7000mAh batteries, which are by far not the norm.
For example by my quick sample of three reviews your one plus nord seems to roughly match iPhone13 battery life but lose to iPhone 14.
I’d say this is actually one reason people buy iPhones. With Apple they can trust that power usage has been implemented well. With Android phones some of them have good battery life and some don’t. Even within one brand.
Again, I want to remind you that a $1,000 phone winning against a $150 phone is not a victory at all. The iPhone should have absolutely kerb-stomped mine. The fact that it is even competitive is the point I am trying to make.
You can visualise a sort of bell curve of battery life. My phone is probably somewhere around the 30-40th percentile (and note that a 90th percentile phone is not 2× better, it’s probably only 50% better). A bit worse than average but not terrible. It’s a cheap phone, after all.
But the issue is that (new) Apple phones I presume are placing consistently around the 60th percentile, which is good and better than average. The issue is that you’re paying 80th-percentile prices for 60th-percentile performance. That is the point I’m trying to make. It’s relative performance to price, not absolute performance. These numbers are made up but illustrate the point I’m trying to make.
If the iPhone were priced at $400-500, it’d be an excellent value and I would recommend it to a lot more people. That’s what I feel a comparable Android would cost. Maybe it could go up to $550 since Apple products do have better build quality and the Apple ecosystem, but at $700 for the latest base model iPhone 14, I think it’s just not delivering the value for money compared to Android phones. Of course, that’s my opinion. I make decisions based on hardware. Others may make decisions based on the fact that they like the iOS experience and the ecosystem it provides, or even because they just like using Apple products. And yes, the fact that Apple products are of consistently above-average quality does count for something.
I’m not attacking you if you own an iPhone and like it, and I don’t judge you for it. I will criticise Apple though, because I feel that Apple is short-changing their customers on the technical side by providing mediocre hardware for not-mediocre prices.
Battery life has nothing to do with the price of the phone because battery size is limited by physical size not price. The cheapest phones actually tend to do well in comparisons.
Apple could fix this by making the phone a few millimetres thicker but I think we both know why they don’t
I really liked the times when features were added and not killed off.
10 years ago you could purchase a flagship phone with IR blaster for controlling whatever you couldn’t find a remote for, or trolling people in public spaces by turning off their TVs. Cloud storage wasn’t as popular, but if your phone died, the images were safe on the micrSD card. Bluetooth headsets were a thing, but you could always just use a cheap pair of headphones to stick in the headphone jack. People who desired it could install a custom ROM with all kinds of optimizations and less bloat. It used to be a lot more popular back then. Other than cameras, battery life, and reversible and more robust USB-C connectors, there isn’t much innovation. I used to feel like I owned my device much more back then. Now I only use the stock ROM, can either use wireless headphones or ones that use the charging port. I can’t insert a microSD, or test new features for Android ported from other devices by someone on XDA Developers. I’m not using the phone the way I want, but the way the companies who made it decided on.
You could easily replace the battery back then! Not in iPhones, but on many Android devices.
I agree. We don’t really need anything else from a pocket computer. Just keep improving what we have. Nothing wrong with that at all. No one is holding a gun to anyone’s head and making them buy the new version every year.
Someone else pointed out that for more and more people their phones are replacing a desktop/laptop, and that makes a lot of sense as to why people keep wanting more from them.
What more do they need?
A growing population whose interaction with technology is entirely and solely through their thumb (or occasionally both thumbs) is such a sad reality, and voice interaction is nowhere near ready to replace traditional computer interfaces (aka keyboard/mouse).
Good luck doing any kind of actual productive work on a phone.
Its just a device for chewing through content as fast as your fingers can scroll.
Not everyone needs to use a dedicated desktop/laptop at home. You might do whatever you need to do quicker on a desktop or laptop but if you aren’t working that may not be an issue. I know several people who fit this description.
There’s very little I do in my day to day life that can’t be handled on my phone. If I didn’t game I’d probably have a seldomly used laptop.
Online banking, ordering basically anything, paying bills, paying rent, etc can all be done on mobile now. Systems are now built with mobile as a first class use case because people do so much on their phones. Just because you don’t do it doesn’t mean others can’t.
Yes. But real work I said. You didn’t read my first paragraph.
Try working with a spreadsheet on a phone. OK?
The second paragraph you have a point. It very useful. However, you won’t spend hours with your bankapp or your uber food app. Most of the time its an endless scroller tool. Am I right?
Lol wot? “Every feature imaginable” 🤣🤣🤣 did I read this right?!
They just haven’t yet “imagined” the many new features we have received in the last few years from non-Apple phones. Don’t worry, once Apple “imagines” it, they will acknowledge the only logical truth they could conceive. That Steve Jobs’ consciousness uploaded to an iMac has graced them with innovation once again.
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It has nothing to do with features and performance, most people don’t use those anyway. You really don’t need 8-core CPU on your phone but it’s 2 more than 6 and me having 8 and you having 6 has everything to do with that. People love status symbols and pointing them out to others, as if that makes them better by comparison or something.
No matter what others say, you really don’t feel limitations of your device. Sure screen might feel a bit faster, animations might feel more fluid. None of those a crucial to device operation and use and certainly not worth paying premium price for newest iteration that has all those marginally improved. It’s just consumerism at work.
Case in point, pretty much every MacBook Pro has a TPM chip on it (trusted platform module). Guess how many people used it or has it configured to supply entropy to their systems to increase security. ThinkPads also have those, but most other laptops don’t. Even most developers don’t know what those are. They are great addition and extra feature for business users… but for the most part it’s just another thing on the spec sheet that people pay for but never use.
As for the every imaginable feature… it seems they are being removed rather than added. I found 3.5mm jack useful. I wish we still had qwerty keyboards on our big screen devices as most used feature of phones these days is typing. I wish we had expansion slots and memory cards. I wish we had replaceable batteries so you don’t have to depend on finding an outlet on long trips. I wish we had sapphire screens so you don’t have to worry about scratching your screen. I wish we had smaller devices because some people just need a phone and not a tablet or they have smaller hands. But naaah… removing those is considered brave.
Better local AI capability. It’s definitely something they are working with, introducing new accelerator features with new processors. Currently most of the actually great AI tools still require you to offload the workload to a server somewhere. And some stuff is not worth doing in a mobile device before it can be done at a fraction of the power.
For the basic hardware features, mainly the camera and image processing tools are actually relevant. Almost all non professional photography in the world is now done with phones and there is still a lot to do to improve the miniature cameras.
Some of the greatest new features from the past few years are things people don’t even realize weren’t always there. Like for example my phone opens up when I pick it up and look at it. And locks when I put it down. This makes usage so much more fluid and is something that did not happen just ten years ago. This kind of UI optimizations are way more important than some numbers in spec sheet. And the local AI processing I mentioned is a key in enabling more situations where the phone understands what you want without you explicitly pressing buttons.
A Siri that doesn’t feel like it’s ~13.5 years old would be nice, especially with the advancements in LLMs. I use Siri daily (timers, alarms, weather check while in bed, etc.) but it feels SO ancient. Can’t even ask it follow-up questions.
I’ll admit the hardware on iPhones is excellent but waaayy overkill for iOS.
Let me install my own third party apps w/o the App store (I know altstore exists, but needing to renew apps every few days is super janky). If I spend my money on a device, I should be allowed to put whatever I want on it, however I want. Let me, the consumer accept the risks of doing so.
Let me use HDMI out over USB-C to an external monitor and have a full desktop with ability to run desktop class apps. Let me use the full potential of the chipsets to get actual work done and effectively replace a computer.
Till then, Android it is for me because I can do both these things easily. I know my use cases are more niche, but “Pro” naming on consumer Apple products is just fluff.
This is THE reason I switched from Apple to Android in 2017 and never looked back.
How would they sell you a mac or a iPad along the iPhone if they open The iPhone that much? We still live in capitalism sir.
Well they eventually pulled the plug on iPods…
Took them “only” 10 years to add mouse support for iPads, something that’s been used for decades.
So surely, give it 10 more years and then they’ll “revolutionize” using a bigger external display for iPhone (and not just screen mirroring) :D
They’ll do it, they just take their sweet time.
Unless forced this will never happen on Apple devices. The reason has nothing to do what they claim, about protecting users and people not knowing better. It has everything to do with locking people in their ecosystem. If uncurrated store appears it might bring with it applications that help people migrate out of the Apple ecosystem or provide compatibility with “undesired” devices. Better compatibility with Android watches means lower chances of people buying Apple Watch, etc.
EU has an upcoming law that will force Apple to allow sideloading apps.
Based EU strikes again
Seriously, I would buy an iPhone if it was not so locked down. I like a lot of things about them but I need my non app store compliant apps
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I’m honestly a bit divided on this. Like yes, freedom is great, but the Apple app monopoly, for all its faults, does one good thing and it’s the fact that all the software is easily available in one place and I am not forced to install multiple app stores to search trough to find what I’m looking for. It turns out that while I like to tinker with personalized Linux installs on my computers, on my phone I just want it to work as quickly and easily as possible without having to figure things out.
I would like an easier way to compile your own app packages for the phone though.
You say like this is normal on Android. It’s not. Basically everything is still on google play
iPhone users wouldn’t piss on the best part of an innovative phone if it was on fire. Who are we kidding?
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Yes, that’s why I’m still driving my model T Ford, because I’m waiting for the next big thing.
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I only hear: „mimimi, apple does not give me any reason to buy a new phone every year.“ just use your phone 5 years and try a new one then you will feel the difference. Source: I own a iPhone X and my girlfriend owns a iPhone 12 pro
It’s better for the environment anyway. Regardless of manufacturer. There’s also almost no need to get a new device every year. Marginal hardware upgrades mean very little to average consumer, it’s just a numbers race and most people don’t really take their devices to the edge of performance.
Ngl they kinda are right. The last time I saw a feature that made me consider them was maybe like 4-6 years ago. I still bloody love Ipods tho.
Did you forget about the groundbreaking feature of the removal of the audio jack?
And the micro SD card
And the SIM card tray
Honestly fuck Apple for that and starting that fucking stupid ass trend.
That’s probably true for most phones. There’s only so much you can do with the black obelisk they’ve all become and now we’re just quibbling over what external connections they have. I mean you could tweak the camera, put in a better battery, better processor…but the obelisk phone is done as far as what can be “innovated”.
Yeah agreed.
I just want a 3d holoprojector on my phone, is that so much to ask? <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/00cd0fd4-c76b-4c27-82b4-7fb6f09f2707.png">
You don’t buy Apple products for the technology or innovations anymore, now you buy Apple products for the bragging rights of being able to pay premium prices for things everyone else has been using for a decade that have a lot more features for a fraction of the price.
Seems like you care just as much as the people who do buy it for bragging rights.
This is a take I would expect to see on Reddit, it’s simply not true. None of those devices run iOS either which is what a lot of people prefer. It’s okay to dislike something, you don’t need to insult the people that do.
There’s nothing overtly insulting here unless you consider implying ignorance an insult
There’s nothing ignorant about people who prefer iOS over Android. Yes, you’re being insulting in a chronically online way.
I didn’t write that I just observed how wrong you are
Premium Android phones are just as expensive as iPhones and come with worse software quality and shorter support periods.
$Maybe in the us but elsewhere the apple prices are nuts. I bought new s23 for 800$. There is no fucking way I’d pay 1200$ for much worse iphone.
Agreed, the prices for Android are much better when non-US tariffs are involved.
Except you can buy a pixel A series which will work just as well as the most expensive iPhone just slightly slower. I’m at about 3.5 years on a $350 pixel and still it’s the best phone I’ve owned. Yes I know you can buy cheaper iPhones too but aren’t they phasing that out? Like you now normally would have to buy a 1-2 year old model to get a price similar to that. My pixel was brand new and 4-5 months past release I think
With 5 years of support too
The bugs on the PIxel 6 (returned after 2 weeks) and now with Android 12 on a Oneplus phone have me seriously thinking of buying an Iphone next time. Despite the fact I’d rather stay with Android, I’d make the switch and pay $300 more every three years for a phone that is relatively trouble free with decent support.
Base iPhone is midrange device, not a flagship.
I don’t know what people are expecting anymore, phones are a mature market. Short of something like foldables (which don’t seem to be catching on) they’re going to be iterative updates. Look at TVs and computers. Years of big advancements and then they’re iterative.
Also the NY Post is an absolutely terrible publication to link to.
(almost) fully agree. However, I think people are just waiting for the next “game changer” since it’s been quite long since the “smartphone” was launched… and as you say, foldables obviolsy didn’t fill that desire. Computers, on the other hand, has seen some quite big improvements lately. Mainly with small, energy efficient chips (like the m1, m2…) so there is hope for a not so stagnant market with only marginal gains.
I mean I’d agree but apple consistently jacks up the prices with every “new” release. I’m going to assume that the 15 is literally just the 14 with usb c.
Foldables are catching on, they’re growing absurdly fast.
Exactly, they grow like 200% in the second it takes to unfold them
I got my fold because I was tired of incremental upgrades that didn’t make my phone feel any different than the last years phone (moved from Pixel 2 to pixel 3 right prices dropped when as pixel 6 launched). Sure it was faster but it didn’t feel any faster than when the old phone was new. The screen was the same size, it felt the same speed, why even spend the money? I wouldn’t pitch that anyone needs a foldable, but by that comparison noone “needs” a $1600 ultra/pro phone when base models are $800-900, but people do anyway. As long as I can afford the upgrade every 3 years, I will get the new one. when the screen finally gives.
Apple has n’t made anything impressive and quite a long time
Apple fans are delusional, the iPhone has always don’t tiny ass incremental changes. This is par for the course.
I find it amusing that it’s taken Apple fans this long to realize this.