Yeah, a friend had their basement cement cut and repaired to fix a sewage line. I can’t imagine how much more expensive that would be if they had to worry about the entire basement floor immolating when cut.
For now, the concrete supercapacitor can store a little under 300 watt-hours per cubic metre
OK then, so this is incredibly far from being near any real world application
partial_accumen@lemmy.world
on 14 Jun 18:12
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OK then, so this is incredibly far from being near any real world application
I’d disagree with that, but we certainly need more info.
There are places on Earth where 300wh would be plenty and very far away from traditional power grids. Think like remote sensing weather stations or data collection stations. So a small solar panel could power these during the day and these supercapacitors would replace a wearable battery currently in use today.
We’d need more information how these perform under various temperature and moisture conditions.
A cubic meter is just a whole lot of volume for incredibly little power. A regular 80Ah car battery has almost 4 times the power capapcity as a cubic meter of this.
partial_accumen@lemmy.world
on 14 Jun 18:31
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Power density doesn’t always matter. There are applications where space is abundant, but regular maintenance is prohibitively expensive.
In my quick example of a remote monitoring station, it may cost $10,000+ to send a helicopter out to change the 12v car battery when it dies from exposure to extreme temperatures in 5 years or less. If something like this supercapacitor can last 20+ years without every be visited, it would be more cost effective.
The average American house on a basement will have something like 40 m^3 of concrete in its foundation. If all of it could be utilized, that’s still ~12kWhr of storage capacity. Nothing to be sneezed at.
That doesn’t seem worth it when you can fit that amount of storage in about 20 L with lithium ion cells (think a small PC case), or something like 40 L if you used sodium ion cells, which are looking like a new alternative.
Concrete offgassing of CO2 is already a big contributor to greenhouse gasses, so I can’t imagine this battery version is improving things there. You’d probably have to wire your whole basement with electrodes to even access the stored energy.
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on 14 Jun 17:52
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Sounds great, I can’t wait to never hear about it ever again because that’s what happens every time something amazing like this gets an article.
partial_accumen@lemmy.world
on 14 Jun 18:09
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And the research team are now planning to build larger versions, including one up to 45 cubic metres (1,590 cubic feet) in size that would be able store around 10kWh of energy needed to power to power a house for a day.
Its not a replacement for lithium, but it gives some interesting information for developing future applications.
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20yrs later you need a new foundation…probably. I didn’t read the article at all
Yeah, a friend had their basement cement cut and repaired to fix a sewage line. I can’t imagine how much more expensive that would be if they had to worry about the entire basement floor immolating when cut.
I would imagine a production version of this would have predefined cut lines to pull a chunk out for working on stuff in or under the foundation
OK then, so this is incredibly far from being near any real world application
I’d disagree with that, but we certainly need more info.
There are places on Earth where 300wh would be plenty and very far away from traditional power grids. Think like remote sensing weather stations or data collection stations. So a small solar panel could power these during the day and these supercapacitors would replace a wearable battery currently in use today.
We’d need more information how these perform under various temperature and moisture conditions.
A cubic meter is just a whole lot of volume for incredibly little power. A regular 80Ah car battery has almost 4 times the power capapcity as a cubic meter of this.
Power density doesn’t always matter. There are applications where space is abundant, but regular maintenance is prohibitively expensive.
In my quick example of a remote monitoring station, it may cost $10,000+ to send a helicopter out to change the 12v car battery when it dies from exposure to extreme temperatures in 5 years or less. If something like this supercapacitor can last 20+ years without every be visited, it would be more cost effective.
You wouldn’t build a foundation with lithium batteries though. This is additional power from something that would take up this space anyway
The average American house on a basement will have something like 40 m^3 of concrete in its foundation. If all of it could be utilized, that’s still ~12kWhr of storage capacity. Nothing to be sneezed at.
That doesn’t seem worth it when you can fit that amount of storage in about 20 L with lithium ion cells (think a small PC case), or something like 40 L if you used sodium ion cells, which are looking like a new alternative.
Concrete offgassing of CO2 is already a big contributor to greenhouse gasses, so I can’t imagine this battery version is improving things there. You’d probably have to wire your whole basement with electrodes to even access the stored energy.
Sounds great, I can’t wait to never hear about it ever again because that’s what happens every time something amazing like this gets an article.
Its not a replacement for lithium, but it gives some interesting information for developing future applications.
Article mentions making roads with this stuff and wirelessly recharging cars as they drive on it. Beware the wankery folks, my BS radar is going off.