Ulrich@feddit.org
on 21 Jan 2025 09:26
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I feel like this is an incredibly obvious yes. They were down for 12 hours. They put Trump’s name as their savior in the error message… Then the CEO shows up to his inauguration. Trump freely admits that it is because he believes TikTok helped him win the election:
“I have a warm spot in my heart for TikTok because I won youth by 34 points,” Trump said in December. “And there are those that say TikTok had something to do with that.”
So. Yeah. Of fucking course it was. Fuck national security and all that nonsense, ME ME ME!
9point6@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 09:47
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I was thinking the same, I’m 99% certain Trump required his name to be included in the welcome back message as a condition for not implementing the ban.
It’s very poorly written theatre
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Jan 2025 13:07
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The audience who enjoys this theater isn’t exactly sophisticated. Pro wrestling has more complex plot and believable characters.
neatobuilds@lemmy.today
on 21 Jan 2025 14:23
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And a bribe
Bogasse@lemmy.ml
on 21 Jan 2025 09:59
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And didn’t they explicitly state that they went down because “the US government is not working on a solution”, 12h before this government changed?
Ulrich@feddit.org
on 21 Jan 2025 15:14
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It said that unless the government immediately stepped in to assure the video app it would not be punished for violating the looming ban, it would be “forced to go dark on January 19”.<<
Glasgow@lemmy.ml
on 21 Jan 2025 10:34
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Also they’re now censoring anything anti Trump.
trashboat@midwest.social
on 21 Jan 2025 14:07
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Do you have a source for that? I’ve heard about this, too, but the evidence was dubious at best
atrielienz@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 17:28
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Some Tik Tok creators are complaining on the platform that they are being censored, specifically in regards to talking poorly about the Trump administration.
As much as some people harp on Tik Tok being a bastion of non-censorship, it has been proven repeatedly that this is not actually true. They just pick and choose carefully what to censor and when. Most platforms do that. It’s not surprising. It also wouldn’t be surprising for them to not promote or prioritize content with their algorithm that could be seen by the current POTUS as inflammatory because they are attempting to gain favor with him at the moment in exchange for potential political favors in regards to the platform in the future.
Thank you. I understand the situation, I was asking specifically about what “inside the house means” and what’s coming out of it?
atrielienz@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 19:59
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Oh. I see. Sorry. I didn’t understand. Inside the house means the claims are originating directly from users of Tik Tok on the Tik Tok platform. There was an old horror movie about a babysitter getting prank calls about the children in the house being in danger. It turned out the calls were coming from inside the house.
seven_phone@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 09:39
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Why, he had no need of it whatsoever, unfathomably he has won control of everything and owes no one anything. Also the world is just not this well managed, it’s all just chaos and carnage and design in hindsight.
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub
on 21 Jan 2025 10:26
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Ah, but he does need something… continual attention and praise. Narcissists gonna narcissist.
jacksilver@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 15:02
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Then why mention his name at all. It’s just like the covid checks, Trump demands/wants the attention.
kvasir476@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 10:12
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I don’t think there was any grand Machiavellian scheme. Trump just capitalized on historic democrat incompetence to make himself look good.
Guntrigger@sopuli.xyz
on 21 Jan 2025 10:35
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Which part of Trump proposing, implementing and then yesterday delaying the ban was down to Democrat incompetence?
kvasir476@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 10:46
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Please explain how Trump managed to implement this ban with a democrat controlled senate and Joe Biden as president.
massive_bereavement@fedia.io
on 21 Jan 2025 11:39
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I think both of you are right: The idea of banning TikTok came during his presidency and he campaigned for it.
However it was a policy supported by Biden and with bipartisan vote, which means Dems were playing at home, so it was on them to not look stupid.
It is mentioned in some news that the Facebook people pushed a lot for TikTok's ban so they could capitalize on a user exodus, though that TikTok feasts on user data and shares it back in China is also true.
However you don't solve that with a ban, you solve that with a proper privacy policy. But no US company wants that, no sir.
So the Dems were played like the devil went down to Georgia and they were the proverbial fiddle.
But.. I guess saying this is preaching to the choir as most people in here are dutifully aware of privacy. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Guntrigger@sopuli.xyz
on 21 Jan 2025 12:30
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Thanks, I’ll field this extremely easy question - By executive order before it was a bipartisan bill supported by every level of government:
To me, making sure that everyone agrees with a new policy before it becomes law, and sending it through the proper channels to be debated and then enacted, doesn’t really seem like a dumb thing.
The dumb thing would be to propose a new law, enact it unilaterally, have it revoked because it was enacted unilaterally, then have everyone agree on it anyway when you pass it through the proper channels, then toss it in the trash yourself at literally the first opportunity.
queermunist@lemmy.ml
on 21 Jan 2025 14:35
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So why did Democrats fall for it?
atrielienz@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 14:40
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To try to make him look bad, is my theory.
queermunist@lemmy.ml
on 21 Jan 2025 14:41
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So they’re fucking stupid?
atrielienz@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 16:00
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The law stipulates that the POTUS is the person who determines that a platform or app is in violation. Once that happens, an investigation is launched through the AG’s office and applicable agencies. After that the AG’s office makes a determination about whether or not the app/platform is in violation of the law. Once that happens, the platform or app can appeal. But if they lose that appeal then they have a limited time to divest to another entity before their platform is banned and the POTUS can pause not revoke this process for a period of time (to give the app time to divest as is required). So basically Trump now has given Tik Tok a stay of execution so to speak but that doesn’t mean they won’t be forced to shut down or divest.
This was a direct politically planned and intended effect of this push so close to the inauguration, so far as I can tell. It’s politicians doing political stuff.
Right now he looks like the savior (and that’s intentional, both Tik Tok and Trump get something out of that). But in the long term I don’t know that most Tik Tok users are going to remember that Trump bought the app back and to actually remove the law requires an act of Congress. That will take more time than the limited amount that Trump can essentially delay the removal of the app from app stores and American servers.
I honestly think this was a fuck you to Trump from Biden because essentially Biden’s political career is over. Trump is going to do a lot of damage over the next 4 years and do as much as he can to undo any of the progress that has been made. It’s kind of a petty move on Biden’s part, but Trump started this colossal movement against Tik Tok in the first place.
queermunist@lemmy.ml
on 21 Jan 2025 16:09
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Long term Trump probably won’t benefit from this, but it does give him a strong boost right at the start of his term while he’s also passing a bunch of controversial executive orders.
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub
on 21 Jan 2025 10:25
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Give’em the disease then sell’em the cure.
NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 10:39
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It will go on like that for several years now. One shit show, and then the next one, and then the next three ones…
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 21 Jan 2025 10:55
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I will argue that so was the Israel cease-fire “strong-man” act. In fact my conspiracy theory is that Israel explicitly delayed the cease-fire so that Trump could look strong by finishing it, then whined a bit in the newspapers to sell it. This is not even the first time they GOP has done this, as per the Iran hostages affair.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 21 Jan 2025 11:21
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Yeah and it’s not far-fetched considering how openly Netanyahu endorsed Trump. With Trump in office Netanyahu can do whatever he wants, waging a costly in terms of PR war will be no longer necessary.
massive_bereavement@fedia.io
on 21 Jan 2025 11:31
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Sounds like the Iran hostage crisis remake.
jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Jan 2025 12:54
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Which was itself a sequel to Nixon trying to stall peace negotiations during the Vietnam War.
massive_bereavement@fedia.io
on 21 Jan 2025 15:19
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How can they get away with the exact same plan every time, this is some scoobydoo bullshit.
spamfajitas@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 13:19
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Judy Woodruff was forced to publicly apologize because Trump and Bibi said they didn’t talk about delaying it, but I still think she was right:
I mean, I’d trust unnamed sources over these two guys any day.
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 21 Jan 2025 14:49
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because Trump and Bibi said they didn’t talk about delaying it
Oh well, if the two known liars said so…
MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 13:21
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I believe it was because under Trump Israel would get better terms as Miriam Adelson paid for that.
Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 21 Jan 2025 14:22
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Headline from fox news:
“Oliver North: Israel will have to put people on the ground and it will be bloody”
Reality is truly stranger than fiction. If any writer continued to use a character like him for so long in such obvious ways without suffering any consequences, readers’ suspension of disbelief would be shattered.
He was there for Iran-Contra. He is still here for Israel-Hamas. The exact same playbook. Place political gain over national interest. Put lives needlessly in danger and extend suffering for an easy win.
Jimmycakes@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 11:21
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Obviously. They see the game. They played the game.
Docus@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 11:51
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The only thing that can make Trump look good is his obituary
TikTok had to make Trump look good as he presumably saves it so they did that stunt. In the end both sides know TT has to agree to selling majority stake because it isn’t anything China didn’t do to US firms multiple times already.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Jan 2025 13:04
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He’s already truly beloved by most. This really isn’t needed to rally further support. This seems like nonsense.
To any thoughtful few there are no options for redemption for this dumb shit.
MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 13:15
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Put down whatever it is that’s causing ypu to believe Trump is beloved by most. He has the second lowest approval rating in history.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Jan 2025 16:50
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Give him a chance. He has a big base of hateful bigots and his approval rating is climbing. He’s currently at 50%. Are you locked in a big liberal city or something? Where I am at people absolutely rave about him. I’ve never seen banners for presidents hanging on homes, so many bumper stickers. Even in NYC, every gift shop is full of trump memorabilia. He’s wildly popular and while polarizing factors will make approval ratings and averages not get much higher than 50%, the hateful scum that love him really love him.
MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 17:23
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there are no approval ratings for a day one POTUS.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Jan 2025 17:37
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There are constant polls on ‘popularity’. Fox News has recent data and Marquette and Reuters do too. Sure these are imperfect but it’s a pretty sane thing to say he is beloved / popular. Denying that is what had people so shocked when he one the popular vote. People are so siloed now that they fail to see how so much of the population really likes the guy. This willful ignorance is dangerous.
Saw the same kind of denial about Putin. People not in touch with real Russians felt he was a just a feared overlord. Truth is majority of people there really like him.
MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world
on 22 Jan 2025 00:23
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Popularity and approval rating are not the same. Approval trating is asking peoplehow he is doing as POTUS. Popularity determines if you know who they are.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
on 22 Jan 2025 01:03
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Not if you know who they are but if you like them.
Trump is well liked by many if not most Americans. A decent amount of people downright practically worship the guy. In the sense that he is a dumb senile oaf he is not classically charismatic, but he has the attention and artificial grandeur attached to him that is usually related to charisma.
MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world
on 22 Jan 2025 11:29
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No, popularity is if you recognize the name
Likeability is if you like them.
Approval rating is how you feel about the job they are doung.
These things all have real meanings in polling. There are no approval polls for the first day available immediately. His first approval poll will come out on Monday.
Your perception based on what you see around ypu might not reflect how the nation feels as a whole.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
on 22 Jan 2025 14:27
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You are mislead. Have you ever been a political activist and done door to door polling? I have. What is your alleged source in this? You are spreading misinformation on what popularity polling is.
MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world
on 22 Jan 2025 16:02
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Yes, I have assembled polls too as a poll worker. I studied polling as part of my college degree.
You have no clue what you are talking about and frankly I don’t think going door to door and asking the questions means you understand polling as you weren’t collating and assembling the data. Had you done that part you would realize that you cannot do an approval poll in 24 hours.
small44@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 13:33
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The original idea came from him. To me it just makes trump a hypocrite
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Jan 2025 13:59
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How so? It was politically convenient to go after TikTok when he did it, and it’s politically convenient to reverse course now. That’s a pretty consistent gameplan from Trump, attack something when it’s popular, reverse when reversing is popular.
small44@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 14:06
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When he came with the ban idea he used the same argument of national security that is the hypocritical part. Like you say the real reason is just political convenient
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Jan 2025 14:08
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He also claimed national security when he messed with tariffs. At this point, it’s just an excuse to do something to grab headlines.
Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 21 Jan 2025 14:09
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Hypocrisy: The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
Holding a position when politically convenient and reversing your stance on that position due to political convenience is hypocrisy. It may be typical and expected, but it’s still hypocrisy.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Jan 2025 14:14
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But Trump has no values or beliefs, the only thing he’s consistent about it putting his name in headlines. So reversing is absolutely consistent with his values.
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 21 Jan 2025 14:19
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It used to be that politicians suffered in the polls when they flip flopped, but the only one Trump would suffer is if he went against his base.
Like when he floated that maybe the covid vaccine was ok.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Jan 2025 14:23
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Honestly, his base tends to follow him, so as long as it’s not a core belief, he could flip on a number of things without incident.
It’s disgusting and I really don’t understand why his base tolerates it.
Windex007@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 14:40
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So what you’re saying is he professes to have beliefs which he doesn’t actually have?
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Jan 2025 14:43
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Nobody believes that anything he says constitutes a belief…
Windex007@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 14:54
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That’s irrelevant. When he says “I believe X”, he is professing that he believes something. Just because we know he’s lying doesn’t mean he isn’t saying it.
That kinda logic scares the hell out of me, btw. People are just so numb to it that it’s like their brains are short circuiting.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Jan 2025 15:02
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That’s kind of like random people confessing to killing Brian Thompson. Is it really a confession if everyone knows you’re lying? Likewise, is it really a protestation if neither the speaker nor listener believes it?
DancingBear@midwest.social
on 21 Jan 2025 16:26
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Not the same at all
Windex007@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 17:34
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Yes it is, and saying it isn’t is normalizing a terrifying thing.
The crux of your argument is that someone isn’t lying is nobody believes them. Ergo, Donald Trump isn’t a liar.
This is the EXACT fucking playbook you see in Russia and North Korea. The way you are thinking right now is SPECIFICALLY how dictators WANT you to think. It excuses lies and paves the way to the concept of there being no such thing as objective truth because everyone is lying anyways, but they’re not even lies because you were never going to believe it anyways. You’ll just exhaustedly shrug and choose a dissonance that’s a lower energy mental state.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 22 Jan 2025 00:53
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It’s less about lying though.
Hypocrisy, at least colloquially, means saying one thing and doing another, such as governors giving stay at home orders and hosting large parties during COVID mitigations.
Saying we should ban TikTok and then saying we shouldn’t ban it isn’t hypocrisy. If we’re being charitable, it’s him changing his mind, and if we’re not, it’s simple populism. There’s a good reason the ban was scheduled for just before inauguration, they knew it would be unpopular and didn’t want it to impact the elections.
Trump is absolutely a liar, probably worse than most politicians. He’s also often a hypocrite. I just don’t think “hypocrite” applies in this instance.
Freefall@lemmy.world
on 22 Jan 2025 10:03
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It is more in line with a puppet, that has zero understanding of anything, being told what to say as it is convenient.
Botzo@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 14:04
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If we were talking about a sane person, I don’t see why a person cannot change his mind.
Trump is just playing the fools.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 17:09
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Trump doesn’t have a mind to change. I doubt he even remembers he ever proposed a ban and this is just some advisor telling him that doing the opposite of Biden will get him likes.
jaemo@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Jan 2025 23:13
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Trump’s basically a fractal hypocrisy, which is, as I understand it, why and how the grift keeps grifting.
obinice@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 14:09
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Given that he was the one that called for it to be banned extremely vocally, and he’s not been able to keep it banned for more than a few hours even as the now leader of that country, seemingly caving under pressure to flip his stance on the matter (showing off the bat that he’s very politically weak)…
I don’t see how this makes him look anything but weak, or inept.
foggenbooty@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 15:50
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Ahh, but see you’re been following this over several months/years, or looked up what actually happened. You’re not the target for this dupe.
This tactic works incredibly well as you’ll find you are outside the norm. I still remember people ranting about how Obama was late responding to Hurricane Katrina.
Welcome to Politics 2.0 where the information is freely available but the facts don’t matter.
Spookyghost@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Jan 2025 16:51
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“Caving under pressure”? This is a massive win for him, he just got every single major corp app out there to agree to push his agenda and thrawrt his opponents. How many posts today have been showing search results in various apps being fucky?
Bytedance didnt have to block their app yesterday, they did it perfomantly, and virtually everyone bought it hook like and sinker.
You are dreaming if you think the perception of this event to the average person is the weakness of a certain inflated organge hemmoroid.
His cohort of billionare buddys now control discussion and content on a hugely concerning portion of all public communication channels that currently exist.
Humans on average are already disappointingly stupid. Now this administration is actively discoraging free, critical thought and discussion and encouraging the use of algorithmically powered, emotionally draining, knowledge obfuscating, personal data collection software viruses that people willingly install.
On those apps he and his friends look like amazing heroes, and will for the next 4 years, regardless of the events of reality. Then we will have to vote with millions of people who only use these apps for information. Best of luck to us all.
The whole thing? No. The 14 hour temper tantrum? Absolutely.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 14:27
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I really doubt it. Trump just did the obvious, grabbed the low hanging fruit, and contradicted the Biden administration because that’s all he can do. No conspiracy needed; that would afford trump forethought and cunning he isn’t capable of. He can’t think past his next Big Mac or tweet.
you underestimate too much. trump is just a face, there are plenty of people working with him and planning all kinds of shit.
any kid plans some trickeries while playing board games. what makes you think a political group is incapable of forethought?
Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Jan 2025 14:33
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If it’s that problematic with propaganda then banning it after an election was a meaningless gesture. It served it’s purpose and reversing the ban was simply transactional. They paid money and kissed the ring.
2ugly2live@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 14:36
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Lmao, yes.
He “brought it back” before he was even in office. And since no one looks up anything, I’m sure it did it’s job.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world
on 22 Jan 2025 09:41
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How do people not see through this theatre? It wasn’t even subtle. Oh right, the brainrot…
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 21 Jan 2025 14:36
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Tiktok is an app for stupid people so naturally stupid people would be more gullible.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 16:20
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No, this is just what it looks like when evil encoaches. Having no true ethical or moral obligations it decides everything on a case by case basis and if it can’t be controlled then it is destroyed.
futatorius@lemm.ee
on 21 Jan 2025 16:44
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If so, it didn’t work. It made him look dimwitted and easily swayed.
Only to people who aren’t complete fucking morons. Which, doesn’t seem to be enough.
Letme@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 16:46
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Sort of, yes. It is a counterintelligence/disinformation app, and for that reason it makes MAGA look good. MAGA now controls all 3 of the top disinformation apps: Twitter, Facebook , and Tiktok. This is the war on truth; facts and honesty lost.
Biden reversed Trump’s previous executive order banning it and said he would just support whatever Congress decides, and both sides of Congress bipartisanly supported a ban. But sure… Only Genocide Joe. 🙄
BigBenis@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 18:01
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While the whole situation is shitty, I find it hard to believe a massive company would shut down services for 12 hours, losing millions in revenue and likely millions of users, all as a PR stunt for a foreign leader.
thisphuckinguy@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 2025 18:46
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Naia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 21 Jan 2025 19:03
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Trump started the whole thing because he was unpopular on Tiktok. Republicans jumped on board because young people were politically organizing on the platform and they don’t like that.
But up to that point, there was no really effort, even as much as they tried to claim “national security”.
Then when the real information about Palestine was being spread there the democrats jumped on board because they are the same as republicans when if comes to foreign policy.
That’s what started the actual push that gained momentum. They had no actual evidence about the stuff they claimed. Also, if the claim applied to Tiktok, it applies to all the other social media. But they don’t actually care about privacy. They only care about a platform that they couldn’t control and wasn’t catering to them.
If they cared about privacy, they would have pushed general privacy legislation and/or regulation and oversight on all social media.
The reversal was Biden realizing he does not have a good legacy and with Trump, there was a lot more content this time around that was pro-trump (and also tiktok gave him a million dollars). So now he gets to claim he “saved tiktolk” when he was the start of the whole thing.
GasMaskedLunatic@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 21 Jan 2025 21:10
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Yes.
pedroapero@lemmy.ml
on 21 Jan 2025 21:53
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All CEOs understood how to behave with such an arrogant person: flatter him and he will bow to your every wims.
CixoUwU@lemmy.cixoelectronic.pl
on 22 Jan 2025 08:10
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Yes, I also think that was bait, because ban started few days before begin of Trump term and ban was not really working. It had a lot of bugs, simple VPN could byoass it, “YES, user who logged in ONLY from USA and now loggin from Europ REALLY IS NOT AN AMERICAN NOW!!!”. That two things make me to think it was a bait.
HawlSera@lemm.ee
on 22 Jan 2025 08:37
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It likely was, hell it had me fooled. I was honestly about to say “Maybe I was wrong about him? Maybe Kamala losing won’t be so bad…”
But then he signed the Transgender order and on the same day Musk did the Nazi salute and I’m like “And this is what I get for questioning my own world view.”
At least I voted Harris in the election and spent literally only two or three days (17-20) being fooled, and let’s be honest, it was Copium, not truly being swayed
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works
on 22 Jan 2025 14:39
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I was honestly about to say “Maybe I was wrong about him? Maybe Kamala losing won’t be so bad…”
And this is why democracy sucks. Voters have the memory of a flea and the emotions of a toddler.
- “Democracy is the worst form of govt except for all the other ones that have been tried”
Freefall@lemmy.world
on 22 Jan 2025 10:02
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Yeah, the super obvious political stunt was a political stunt. It only fools those that don’t pay any attention or don’t know how anything works.
Biden said he would not enforce the order, that trump signed during his first term, to ban tiktok. Then tiktok chose to shut itself down for a day and chose to turn itself back on with its political pandering notice. It is all to manipulate it’s users while also paying fealty to the incoming president (because China knows that is how easy he is to control).
recreationalcatheter@lemm.ee
on 22 Jan 2025 11:11
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Yes.
Do you know any dopamine addicts who lost their minds for a week straight? You know the ones. Giving more permissions to shady apps to scratch their itch?
Sad world we live in lolol.
surph_ninja@lemmy.world
on 22 Jan 2025 15:30
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Can someone explain to me how they believe the Trump team convinced Biden to sign the ban?
If you think it was a stunt for the benefit of Trump, you’re implying the Biden admin was in on it. Doesn’t make sense to me. Seems the more likely scenario is Biden just royally fucked up again to the point of somehow making Trump look good.
beejjorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org
on 23 Jan 2025 06:34
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I thought the stunt was on the part if TikTok. They shut down when they didn’t have to and then came back on all chummy with Trump when he announced the 90 day extension. The play was to kiss Trump’s ass. Biden signed it and they took advantage of the situation.
Red_October@lemmy.world
on 23 Jan 2025 08:01
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No, and that’s an incredibly stupid premise. Trump wasn’t the one to push the Ban. He wasn’t the one to keep it going to completion, and he sure didn’t PLAN on not having a second consecutive term. He’s just following his most basic programming of If Biden did(Thing); Undo(Thing)
twoface@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Jan 2025 13:11
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He was the one who initiated the ban…
Red_October@lemmy.world
on 29 Jan 2025 15:20
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So you would suggest that Trump initiated the ban just so he could block it at the last minute, in an effort to make himself look good? If the Donvict hadn’t gotten himself thrown out of office and had been able to see if through, there is no reality in which he then overturns his own ban at the last moment. He purely and only overturned it here because it was not seen as something He did, but something Biden did.
The premise that Trump pulled a bait and switch, deliberately initiating the ban specifically so he could “look good” by overturning it is absolutely idiotic. He overturned it because Biden finished it, and “Undo Biden” is one of his overriding directives.
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I feel like this is an incredibly obvious yes. They were down for 12 hours. They put Trump’s name as their savior in the error message… Then the CEO shows up to his inauguration. Trump freely admits that it is because he believes TikTok helped him win the election:
So. Yeah. Of fucking course it was. Fuck national security and all that nonsense, ME ME ME!
I was thinking the same, I’m 99% certain Trump required his name to be included in the welcome back message as a condition for not implementing the ban.
It’s very poorly written theatre
The audience who enjoys this theater isn’t exactly sophisticated. Pro wrestling has more complex plot and believable characters.
And a bribe
And didn’t they explicitly state that they went down because “the US government is not working on a solution”, 12h before this government changed?
No, as I said the error message explicitly mentioned him by name
Yes. www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyeer3qp12o
Also they’re now censoring anything anti Trump.
Do you have a source for that? I’ve heard about this, too, but the evidence was dubious at best
newsweek.com/tiktok-blocking-anti-trump-content-w…
“These reports have not been confirmed at this time,” the article notes.
www.tiktok.com/…/7462086721652428078
Looks like they may be coming from inside the house.
I can’t see this. Would you care to explain?
Some Tik Tok creators are complaining on the platform that they are being censored, specifically in regards to talking poorly about the Trump administration.
As much as some people harp on Tik Tok being a bastion of non-censorship, it has been proven repeatedly that this is not actually true. They just pick and choose carefully what to censor and when. Most platforms do that. It’s not surprising. It also wouldn’t be surprising for them to not promote or prioritize content with their algorithm that could be seen by the current POTUS as inflammatory because they are attempting to gain favor with him at the moment in exchange for potential political favors in regards to the platform in the future.
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Thank you. I understand the situation, I was asking specifically about what “inside the house means” and what’s coming out of it?
Oh. I see. Sorry. I didn’t understand. Inside the house means the claims are originating directly from users of Tik Tok on the Tik Tok platform. There was an old horror movie about a babysitter getting prank calls about the children in the house being in danger. It turned out the calls were coming from inside the house.
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It did not make him look good to anyone with more than half of a brain.
Fortunately no one with half a brain voted for him anyway
Truly all the more scary
Why, he had no need of it whatsoever, unfathomably he has won control of everything and owes no one anything. Also the world is just not this well managed, it’s all just chaos and carnage and design in hindsight.
Ah, but he does need something… continual attention and praise. Narcissists gonna narcissist.
Then why mention his name at all. It’s just like the covid checks, Trump demands/wants the attention.
I don’t think there was any grand Machiavellian scheme. Trump just capitalized on historic democrat incompetence to make himself look good.
Which part of Trump proposing, implementing and then yesterday delaying the ban was down to Democrat incompetence?
Please explain how Trump managed to implement this ban with a democrat controlled senate and Joe Biden as president.
I think both of you are right: The idea of banning TikTok came during his presidency and he campaigned for it.
However it was a policy supported by Biden and with bipartisan vote, which means Dems were playing at home, so it was on them to not look stupid.
It is mentioned in some news that the Facebook people pushed a lot for TikTok's ban so they could capitalize on a user exodus, though that TikTok feasts on user data and shares it back in China is also true.
However you don't solve that with a ban, you solve that with a proper privacy policy. But no US company wants that, no sir.
So the Dems were played like the devil went down to Georgia and they were the proverbial fiddle.
But.. I guess saying this is preaching to the choir as most people in here are dutifully aware of privacy. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Thanks, I’ll field this extremely easy question - By executive order before it was a bipartisan bill supported by every level of government:
In 2020, President Donald Trump proposed a ban of the app as he viewed it as a national security threat. In August, he signed an executive order instructing that ByteDance divest from the app, though the order was blocked by a court injunction in September and was reversed by the Biden administration in 2021.
To me, making sure that everyone agrees with a new policy before it becomes law, and sending it through the proper channels to be debated and then enacted, doesn’t really seem like a dumb thing.
The dumb thing would be to propose a new law, enact it unilaterally, have it revoked because it was enacted unilaterally, then have everyone agree on it anyway when you pass it through the proper channels, then toss it in the trash yourself at literally the first opportunity.
So why did Democrats fall for it?
To try to make him look bad, is my theory.
So they’re fucking stupid?
The law stipulates that the POTUS is the person who determines that a platform or app is in violation. Once that happens, an investigation is launched through the AG’s office and applicable agencies. After that the AG’s office makes a determination about whether or not the app/platform is in violation of the law. Once that happens, the platform or app can appeal. But if they lose that appeal then they have a limited time to divest to another entity before their platform is banned and the POTUS can pause not revoke this process for a period of time (to give the app time to divest as is required). So basically Trump now has given Tik Tok a stay of execution so to speak but that doesn’t mean they won’t be forced to shut down or divest.
This was a direct politically planned and intended effect of this push so close to the inauguration, so far as I can tell. It’s politicians doing political stuff.
Right now he looks like the savior (and that’s intentional, both Tik Tok and Trump get something out of that). But in the long term I don’t know that most Tik Tok users are going to remember that Trump bought the app back and to actually remove the law requires an act of Congress. That will take more time than the limited amount that Trump can essentially delay the removal of the app from app stores and American servers.
I honestly think this was a fuck you to Trump from Biden because essentially Biden’s political career is over. Trump is going to do a lot of damage over the next 4 years and do as much as he can to undo any of the progress that has been made. It’s kind of a petty move on Biden’s part, but Trump started this colossal movement against Tik Tok in the first place.
Long term Trump probably won’t benefit from this, but it does give him a strong boost right at the start of his term while he’s also passing a bunch of controversial executive orders.
@queermunist @atrielienz there is also a contingent calling it all out and either leaving or moving to a non-US account if they can. The problem is the algorithm/platform is a pretty strong siloing mechanism. https://www.tiktok.com/@oliviacarneyx/video/7461706669509201198
Give’em the disease then sell’em the cure.
It will go on like that for several years now. One shit show, and then the next one, and then the next three ones…
I will argue that so was the Israel cease-fire “strong-man” act. In fact my conspiracy theory is that Israel explicitly delayed the cease-fire so that Trump could look strong by finishing it, then whined a bit in the newspapers to sell it. This is not even the first time they GOP has done this, as per the Iran hostages affair.
Yeah and it’s not far-fetched considering how openly Netanyahu endorsed Trump. With Trump in office Netanyahu can do whatever he wants, waging a costly in terms of PR war will be no longer necessary.
Sounds like the Iran hostage crisis remake.
Which was itself a sequel to Nixon trying to stall peace negotiations during the Vietnam War.
How can they get away with the exact same plan every time, this is some scoobydoo bullshit.
Judy Woodruff was forced to publicly apologize because Trump and Bibi said they didn’t talk about delaying it, but I still think she was right:
newsweek.com/donald-trump-accused-crime-benjamin-…
I mean, I’d trust unnamed sources over these two guys any day.
Oh well, if the two known liars said so…
I believe it was because under Trump Israel would get better terms as Miriam Adelson paid for that.
Headline from fox news: “Oliver North: Israel will have to put people on the ground and it will be bloody”
Reality is truly stranger than fiction. If any writer continued to use a character like him for so long in such obvious ways without suffering any consequences, readers’ suspension of disbelief would be shattered.
He was there for Iran-Contra. He is still here for Israel-Hamas. The exact same playbook. Place political gain over national interest. Put lives needlessly in danger and extend suffering for an easy win.
Obviously. They see the game. They played the game.
The only thing that can make Trump look good is his obituary
TikTok had to make Trump look good as he presumably saves it so they did that stunt. In the end both sides know TT has to agree to selling majority stake because it isn’t anything China didn’t do to US firms multiple times already.
He’s already truly beloved by most. This really isn’t needed to rally further support. This seems like nonsense. To any thoughtful few there are no options for redemption for this dumb shit.
Put down whatever it is that’s causing ypu to believe Trump is beloved by most. He has the second lowest approval rating in history.
Give him a chance. He has a big base of hateful bigots and his approval rating is climbing. He’s currently at 50%. Are you locked in a big liberal city or something? Where I am at people absolutely rave about him. I’ve never seen banners for presidents hanging on homes, so many bumper stickers. Even in NYC, every gift shop is full of trump memorabilia. He’s wildly popular and while polarizing factors will make approval ratings and averages not get much higher than 50%, the hateful scum that love him really love him.
there are no approval ratings for a day one POTUS.
There are constant polls on ‘popularity’. Fox News has recent data and Marquette and Reuters do too. Sure these are imperfect but it’s a pretty sane thing to say he is beloved / popular. Denying that is what had people so shocked when he one the popular vote. People are so siloed now that they fail to see how so much of the population really likes the guy. This willful ignorance is dangerous.
Saw the same kind of denial about Putin. People not in touch with real Russians felt he was a just a feared overlord. Truth is majority of people there really like him.
Popularity and approval rating are not the same. Approval trating is asking peoplehow he is doing as POTUS. Popularity determines if you know who they are.
Not if you know who they are but if you like them. Trump is well liked by many if not most Americans. A decent amount of people downright practically worship the guy. In the sense that he is a dumb senile oaf he is not classically charismatic, but he has the attention and artificial grandeur attached to him that is usually related to charisma.
No, popularity is if you recognize the name
Likeability is if you like them.
Approval rating is how you feel about the job they are doung.
These things all have real meanings in polling. There are no approval polls for the first day available immediately. His first approval poll will come out on Monday.
Your perception based on what you see around ypu might not reflect how the nation feels as a whole.
You are mislead. Have you ever been a political activist and done door to door polling? I have. What is your alleged source in this? You are spreading misinformation on what popularity polling is.
Yes, I have assembled polls too as a poll worker. I studied polling as part of my college degree.
You have no clue what you are talking about and frankly I don’t think going door to door and asking the questions means you understand polling as you weren’t collating and assembling the data. Had you done that part you would realize that you cannot do an approval poll in 24 hours.
The original idea came from him. To me it just makes trump a hypocrite
How so? It was politically convenient to go after TikTok when he did it, and it’s politically convenient to reverse course now. That’s a pretty consistent gameplan from Trump, attack something when it’s popular, reverse when reversing is popular.
When he came with the ban idea he used the same argument of national security that is the hypocritical part. Like you say the real reason is just political convenient
He also claimed national security when he messed with tariffs. At this point, it’s just an excuse to do something to grab headlines.
Hypocrisy: The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
Holding a position when politically convenient and reversing your stance on that position due to political convenience is hypocrisy. It may be typical and expected, but it’s still hypocrisy.
But Trump has no values or beliefs, the only thing he’s consistent about it putting his name in headlines. So reversing is absolutely consistent with his values.
It used to be that politicians suffered in the polls when they flip flopped, but the only one Trump would suffer is if he went against his base.
Like when he floated that maybe the covid vaccine was ok.
Honestly, his base tends to follow him, so as long as it’s not a core belief, he could flip on a number of things without incident.
It’s disgusting and I really don’t understand why his base tolerates it.
Because the relationship between him and his “base” isn’t one between citizens and politician, it’s a literally a cult following their leader.
Hypocrisy: The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess
Having no values or beliefs and being self-consistent with ulterior personal values does not change the definition of the word.
If one professes beliefs, feelings, or values that one does not possess, one is a hypocrite.
Can you really call it “professing” if nobody actually believes you and you know nobody will believe you?
Yes.
Profess: 1) To affirm openly; declare or claim. 2) To make a pretense of; pretend.
If one makes a pretense of holding beliefs, feelings, or values that one does not hold, one is a hypocrite.
Whether anyone else understands the pretenses of the hypocrite or not does not change the definitions of the words.
He’s also a habitual liar.
So what you’re saying is he professes to have beliefs which he doesn’t actually have?
Nobody believes that anything he says constitutes a belief…
That’s irrelevant. When he says “I believe X”, he is professing that he believes something. Just because we know he’s lying doesn’t mean he isn’t saying it.
That kinda logic scares the hell out of me, btw. People are just so numb to it that it’s like their brains are short circuiting.
That’s kind of like random people confessing to killing Brian Thompson. Is it really a confession if everyone knows you’re lying? Likewise, is it really a protestation if neither the speaker nor listener believes it?
Not the same at all
Yes it is, and saying it isn’t is normalizing a terrifying thing.
The crux of your argument is that someone isn’t lying is nobody believes them. Ergo, Donald Trump isn’t a liar.
This is the EXACT fucking playbook you see in Russia and North Korea. The way you are thinking right now is SPECIFICALLY how dictators WANT you to think. It excuses lies and paves the way to the concept of there being no such thing as objective truth because everyone is lying anyways, but they’re not even lies because you were never going to believe it anyways. You’ll just exhaustedly shrug and choose a dissonance that’s a lower energy mental state.
It’s less about lying though.
Hypocrisy, at least colloquially, means saying one thing and doing another, such as governors giving stay at home orders and hosting large parties during COVID mitigations.
Saying we should ban TikTok and then saying we shouldn’t ban it isn’t hypocrisy. If we’re being charitable, it’s him changing his mind, and if we’re not, it’s simple populism. There’s a good reason the ban was scheduled for just before inauguration, they knew it would be unpopular and didn’t want it to impact the elections.
Trump is absolutely a liar, probably worse than most politicians. He’s also often a hypocrite. I just don’t think “hypocrite” applies in this instance.
It is more in line with a puppet, that has zero understanding of anything, being told what to say as it is convenient.
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If we were talking about a sane person, I don’t see why a person cannot change his mind.
Trump is just playing the fools.
Trump doesn’t have a mind to change. I doubt he even remembers he ever proposed a ban and this is just some advisor telling him that doing the opposite of Biden will get him likes.
Trump’s basically a fractal hypocrisy, which is, as I understand it, why and how the grift keeps grifting.
Given that he was the one that called for it to be banned extremely vocally, and he’s not been able to keep it banned for more than a few hours even as the now leader of that country, seemingly caving under pressure to flip his stance on the matter (showing off the bat that he’s very politically weak)…
I don’t see how this makes him look anything but weak, or inept.
Ahh, but see you’re been following this over several months/years, or looked up what actually happened. You’re not the target for this dupe.
This tactic works incredibly well as you’ll find you are outside the norm. I still remember people ranting about how Obama was late responding to Hurricane Katrina.
Welcome to Politics 2.0 where the information is freely available but the facts don’t matter.
“Caving under pressure”? This is a massive win for him, he just got every single major corp app out there to agree to push his agenda and thrawrt his opponents. How many posts today have been showing search results in various apps being fucky?
Bytedance didnt have to block their app yesterday, they did it perfomantly, and virtually everyone bought it hook like and sinker.
You are dreaming if you think the perception of this event to the average person is the weakness of a certain inflated organge hemmoroid.
His cohort of billionare buddys now control discussion and content on a hugely concerning portion of all public communication channels that currently exist.
Humans on average are already disappointingly stupid. Now this administration is actively discoraging free, critical thought and discussion and encouraging the use of algorithmically powered, emotionally draining, knowledge obfuscating, personal data collection software viruses that people willingly install.
On those apps he and his friends look like amazing heroes, and will for the next 4 years, regardless of the events of reality. Then we will have to vote with millions of people who only use these apps for information. Best of luck to us all.
The whole thing? No. The 14 hour temper tantrum? Absolutely.
I really doubt it. Trump just did the obvious, grabbed the low hanging fruit, and contradicted the Biden administration because that’s all he can do. No conspiracy needed; that would afford trump forethought and cunning he isn’t capable of. He can’t think past his next Big Mac or tweet.
you underestimate too much. trump is just a face, there are plenty of people working with him and planning all kinds of shit. any kid plans some trickeries while playing board games. what makes you think a political group is incapable of forethought?
If it’s that problematic with propaganda then banning it after an election was a meaningless gesture. It served it’s purpose and reversing the ban was simply transactional. They paid money and kissed the ring.
Lmao, yes.
He “brought it back” before he was even in office. And since no one looks up anything, I’m sure it did it’s job.
How do people not see through this theatre? It wasn’t even subtle. Oh right, the brainrot…
Tiktok is an app for stupid people so naturally stupid people would be more gullible.
No, this is just what it looks like when evil encoaches. Having no true ethical or moral obligations it decides everything on a case by case basis and if it can’t be controlled then it is destroyed.
If so, it didn’t work. It made him look dimwitted and easily swayed.
Both of which, he is.
Only to people who aren’t complete fucking morons. Which, doesn’t seem to be enough.
Sort of, yes. It is a counterintelligence/disinformation app, and for that reason it makes MAGA look good. MAGA now controls all 3 of the top disinformation apps: Twitter, Facebook , and Tiktok. This is the war on truth; facts and honesty lost.
Not to mention they’ve bought out every previously legitimate news source.
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What is this format from?
Dune 2 I think.
Ah I have yet to watch it. Didn’t realize Walken was in it.
Why did the Democrats fall for it though?
Because they’re very dumb.
Nobody except genocide joe thought it was a good idea to censor an extremely popular app because it revealed the truth about his genocide.
That’s old news, it’s “Genocide Don” now.
Biden reversed Trump’s previous executive order banning it and said he would just support whatever Congress decides, and both sides of Congress bipartisanly supported a ban. But sure… Only Genocide Joe. 🙄
While the whole situation is shitty, I find it hard to believe a massive company would shut down services for 12 hours, losing millions in revenue and likely millions of users, all as a PR stunt for a foreign leader.
This man will always be a moron.
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Trump started the whole thing because he was unpopular on Tiktok. Republicans jumped on board because young people were politically organizing on the platform and they don’t like that.
But up to that point, there was no really effort, even as much as they tried to claim “national security”.
Then when the real information about Palestine was being spread there the democrats jumped on board because they are the same as republicans when if comes to foreign policy.
That’s what started the actual push that gained momentum. They had no actual evidence about the stuff they claimed. Also, if the claim applied to Tiktok, it applies to all the other social media. But they don’t actually care about privacy. They only care about a platform that they couldn’t control and wasn’t catering to them.
If they cared about privacy, they would have pushed general privacy legislation and/or regulation and oversight on all social media.
The reversal was Biden realizing he does not have a good legacy and with Trump, there was a lot more content this time around that was pro-trump (and also tiktok gave him a million dollars). So now he gets to claim he “saved tiktolk” when he was the start of the whole thing.
Yes.
All CEOs understood how to behave with such an arrogant person: flatter him and he will bow to your every wims.
Bow even harder and you get pardoned for every crime you did…
Who came up with this pardon shit anyway?!
Still doesn’t look good.
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Yes, I also think that was bait, because ban started few days before begin of Trump term and ban was not really working. It had a lot of bugs, simple VPN could byoass it, “YES, user who logged in ONLY from USA and now loggin from Europ REALLY IS NOT AN AMERICAN NOW!!!”. That two things make me to think it was a bait.
It likely was, hell it had me fooled. I was honestly about to say “Maybe I was wrong about him? Maybe Kamala losing won’t be so bad…”
But then he signed the Transgender order and on the same day Musk did the Nazi salute and I’m like “And this is what I get for questioning my own world view.”
At least I voted Harris in the election and spent literally only two or three days (17-20) being fooled, and let’s be honest, it was Copium, not truly being swayed
And this is why democracy sucks. Voters have the memory of a flea and the emotions of a toddler.
- “Democracy is the worst form of govt except for all the other ones that have been tried”
Yeah, the super obvious political stunt was a political stunt. It only fools those that don’t pay any attention or don’t know how anything works. Biden said he would not enforce the order, that trump signed during his first term, to ban tiktok. Then tiktok chose to shut itself down for a day and chose to turn itself back on with its political pandering notice. It is all to manipulate it’s users while also paying fealty to the incoming president (because China knows that is how easy he is to control).
Yes.
Do you know any dopamine addicts who lost their minds for a week straight? You know the ones. Giving more permissions to shady apps to scratch their itch?
Sad world we live in lolol.
Can someone explain to me how they believe the Trump team convinced Biden to sign the ban?
If you think it was a stunt for the benefit of Trump, you’re implying the Biden admin was in on it. Doesn’t make sense to me. Seems the more likely scenario is Biden just royally fucked up again to the point of somehow making Trump look good.
I thought the stunt was on the part if TikTok. They shut down when they didn’t have to and then came back on all chummy with Trump when he announced the 90 day extension. The play was to kiss Trump’s ass. Biden signed it and they took advantage of the situation.
No, and that’s an incredibly stupid premise. Trump wasn’t the one to push the Ban. He wasn’t the one to keep it going to completion, and he sure didn’t PLAN on not having a second consecutive term. He’s just following his most basic programming of If Biden did(Thing); Undo(Thing)
He was the one who initiated the ban…
So you would suggest that Trump initiated the ban just so he could block it at the last minute, in an effort to make himself look good? If the Donvict hadn’t gotten himself thrown out of office and had been able to see if through, there is no reality in which he then overturns his own ban at the last moment. He purely and only overturned it here because it was not seen as something He did, but something Biden did.
The premise that Trump pulled a bait and switch, deliberately initiating the ban specifically so he could “look good” by overturning it is absolutely idiotic. He overturned it because Biden finished it, and “Undo Biden” is one of his overriding directives.