Reddit users in the UK must now upload selfies to access NSFW subreddits
(mashable.com)
from themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com to technology@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 07:58
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/49248066
from themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com to technology@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 07:58
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/49248066
Finally it seems the end of Reddit is near.
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“Reddit has stressed that this system is only to verify users’ age, and it has no interest in your identity. Lee further stated that Persona won’t know what subreddits you visit, and has promised it won’t keep users’ uploaded images more than seven days.”
Press X to doubt.
Very careful wording there to switch between Persona and Reddit to conveniently omit one from the justification given by the other.
Presses X furiously
Time to go to LemmyNSFW
That’s always down when I want to use it :(
It’s always down for it :)
It’s always up when I use it … Oh you meant the site, sorry
Under the new UK law, lemmynsfw would also need to have some kind of age verification for UK users.
This. Can’t believe we’re seeing “lol Reddit sucks” when this is a country-wide implementation and has nothing to do with Reddit in particular.
You are correct. But this doesn’t lessen the extent to which reddit sucks.
So, the UK sucks.
Beware USA :(((
Supreme Court’s ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online (July 4, 2025)
[commented the same a few days back]
Happy birthday, USA
This is why many adult sites are banning access if your IP is from TN or any of the other american states that love jesus more than freedom.
Explains the sudden advertisement in vpns, but I’m afraid they will have to shell out more proxies eventually
Something similar is coming to Australia as well.
Just curious, how would this happen in practice? As I understand lemmy instances are defederated across the globe. Who would they send their demands to? Also there is already some nsfw content in lemmy, are those expected to respond now in some way?
Maybe they’ll just make the Fediverse illegal in the UK. Or all non-corporate sites that can’t afford to pay a company like Persona.
Real talk - or what? If LemmyNSFW isn’t based in the UK, what can they do?
Block it? I’d rather have that than deal with processing users face data.
Honestly I have no idea. I guess they could just block it if they don’t comply?
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Well as a Lemmy admin I’ll see if they seriously enforce this on international sites. If not, I won’t worry about it. If so, the UK gets blocked. 🤷🤷🤷
I doubt they’ll be going after niche sites anyway. Big dogs like reddit, sure. Sites dedicated to porn probably. Everyone else? Doubt it.
Even though LemmyNSFW is outside of the UK the admins of any instance will be responsible for verification of UK users because of this law. This is why .zip (Lemmy and PieFed) have geoblocked the UK. It’s a lot of work and responsibility to take on.
Here’s the post from Demigodrick explaining this situation better than I can.
Important News - Geoblocking of the UK
Yeah only if the UK can actually manage to enforce any consequences to site admins outside the UK. I’ll wait and watch.
I believe if the UK finds a site that doesn’t comply with the law, they will block it from their side of things. I haven’t read anything about websites needing to be proactive to block the UK if they don’t plan to comply.
Or it can just defederate from UK based instances.
.zip has already been trying to figure out how to handle this law, its also UK based.
.zip blocks users from the UK iirc.
Lemmy.zip blocks uk users on its front end but I think its contents is still federated.
It is not just that, I don’t trust Persona security, if a malicious actor installed a silent program that monitors users and sends it to a command and control center they probably won’t know for months or even years. Cyber security is very bad in most companies.
xcancel.com/H4ckmanac
Why doubt, I mean they promised?
Google uses reddit for its AI training. Just saying.
God help us all.
Oh the cute little corpo is promising to delete your data, how can we not trust him🥺🥺
Yeah, I will definitely trust an internet stranger with my face so they can verify that I’m not underage to access content which could, in case of being leaked, damage my reputation or even destroy my life.
DEFINITELY
That’s how they get your real identity and kompromat you/send you to jail for opposing the Western genocide du jour…
What’s to stop uploading a random picture of a person? Or even an AI generated person? I get what they’re trying to do, but seems like legislative theater more than anything.
I’ve once attempted to open a bank account where they wanted video proof, and expected me to say a randomly assigned phrase, to solve the issue you mention.
I didn’t do it. Fucking KYC is BS.
Banks are highly regulated so it is not surprising that they would be strict in this, reddit on the other hand has no business doing it.
Reddit is doing this as a response to regulation as well (1). Governments all around europe (2) are turning communications into a highly regulated environment (“for the children”), because they’re afraid of people communicating and having thoughts. UK is just one of the early adaptors.
Banks have many safeguard to protect clients for example PCI DSS. On the other hand as far as I know this is a law requiring them to verify people and I don’t think there is a standard for this. Every company will do its own thing. Highy regulated would require them to have some standard, and I don’t see that.
Seems like you use the phrase “highly regulated” differently then me. You use it to describe solely the amount of control a government exercises on companies. For me it also includes the control a government exercises on people.
From my point of view the law heavily restricts, as in highly regulates, people’s freedom to be. That’s the mistake. Doesn’t matter the specific implementation, acronym, task force, …
An example for highly regulated for me would be a periodic audit to insure security and compliance with security control. This law is honestly dangerous in regards to privacy and endangers miners not help them. There no safety guards whatsoever.
papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=52087…
You are correct that this law is dangerous regardless lf implementation though.
As much as I dislike it, it makes sense for banks to do that.
So from my experience of these type of systems (mostly in the context of banking services) they normally want to use your devices camera to take the picture directly, and normally also want a photo of a photographic ID to compare against.
Within banking apps it has become the norm, it shouldn’t mean it’s acceptable, but for the wider community it is accepted.
But for a fucking forum?? Christ. Especially at a time when Europe are trying to establish digital sovereignty and all of the stories coming out about the US government having access to data. We already know that they are willing to share that with the highest bidder (s).
People would have to be absolute morons to upload anything personal to Reddit, nevermind your photo ID like a passport or driving licence. But obviously that’s what they’re banking on (people being morons).
“The fucking fuck?” — America
Not the norm here in Canada. Not with any banking app I’ve used anyway.
The photo will be uploaded to Persona, not Reddit, if their blurb is to be believed. But yes, it’s nuts, and also now required by law.
Let’s not forget all that lovely metadata they can harvest by accessing the camera module, including the exact GPS co-ordinates the picture was taken.
Sounds like a good area that’s about to get a whole lot better at faking this system. I would just take a picture of a picture if that’s what it takes. Then again, I would never do this and will just look elsewhere.
The “won’t somebody please think of the children” rhetorical tactic is always just a pretext for authoritarianism, mass surveillance and data privacy intrusion. Always. It’s the perfect motte-and-bailey: when you attack the actual motives, the motte becomes, “So you don’t care about children?”
UK is full blown authoritarian now. They have been arresting journalists who are covering the genocide in Gaza and designated a direct action protest group as a terrorist organisation.
These assholes are all pedophiles and they use it to control the planet. To get to high levels of government, you must enter the shadow contract of pedophilia. It is easy to control people and trust people with that kind of shadow on them, so it is required.
Then they turn around and use pedophilia to control everyone else. Any tech that threatens their power, they can immediately shutdown by pedo-bombing it. The counter to pedobombing is authoritarian moderation. Once you have that, it is over. The government they control now can control the mods, and that means they control the narrative. THAT is one of the core enemies to fight. An alternative to Reddit or any other system is not enough.
Because pedophilia is such a taboo / social death sentence, it is among the most powerful shadow contracts.
“They” who?
Americans
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Yes only the powerful Americans are pedophiles, nobody else
Where did I say “only?” The french PM have covered up pedophilia for years, everybody knows.
Those that have entered into the shadow contract. A shadow contract is one of few mechanisms to enter large-scale consensus (it isn’t THAT large when compared to a solar or galactic scale, but large enough for planetary control, and with some clever management, can scale larger).
Consensus requires untrusted sovereigns agreeing to collective action. It is a very difficult mechanism to operate. One way is by having a crime so heinous, the mass population block would eviscerate you if it came to light.
Pedophilia is king among these shadow cornerstones. It illustrates a total lack of empathy, no protective nature towards the innocent, no concern for the perceptions of society, high intellect / manipulation abilities, and a willingness to do anything. You can say it is the “panther” among the shadows.
So most leadership is among that tribe, which is why they are the way they are. It is only logical.
There are other tribes as well. Use your imagination and the answers will follow.
Funny thing, Reddit did that “circle” event many years ago. How big did anyone’s circle get? That is an example of what I am explaining. It is nearly game theoretically impossible to have large scale consensus without some mechanism to make sure people are on the same page.
Was leaded gas common when you grew up? Just curious
You don’t know that, I’ve seen shadow contracts that apply to intergalactic scales. I would wager they can be used for interdimensional organisations
Why would anyone use that shit after this?
Because all the alternatives will have to implement similar shit as well. It’s UK law.
By “that shit”, do you mean every website/app that may contain age-restricted (not just sexual) content? Because that’s what comes into force in the UK next week.
I’ve been dreading this for decades. 🤬
It’s not just Reddit, nor are they the first to roll it out early.
Many sites will just geo-block the UK. I think my Lemmy instance has, just like PornHub has blocked US states that have passed similar laws.
…tests for science
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No we don’t?
Alas, old.reddit wankers ahoy
How old is your account?
Reddit account?
Pretty old since I haven’t nuked it yet, but I’m not even signed in above as you can see from the above screenshot
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I should really login sometime to see if I have lots of threats from mister greedy Spez piggy again, but the headline here doesn’t match up to me trying it in the UK rn.
Ah there we go, same old shit
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If you visit via old.reddit you can dismiss the modals to sign into the app or your account.
Depends on location.
It’s like this in US: files.catbox.moe/at3ijo.png
addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/…/oldlander/
This addon makes using old reddit on mobile bearable.
🤮
Let’s see how much VPN subscription count will go up
You’re overestimating Reddit’s value.
It’d be only fair if they required NSFW selfies.
Umm. I just tried old.reddit on a "gonewild" subreddit with no login even, and it was fine. Now I'm sure they'll patch it out. But, seems to be an easy workaround as of right now.
I don’t think it’s been fully rolled out to everyone yet, as they don’t have to start enforcing it until a later date.
Yeah I wonder if they're A/B testing on some accounts and old.reddit is generally the last to feel changes.
Yeah I think that’s what they’ll be doing, seeing what the impact is to usage and also iron out any kinks before it gets rolled out to everyone.
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Not in the US. There it has that same button.
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Pretty sure
.compactalso still works.Slap
.compactafter a URL and you’ll see a mobile version of reddit from like 2006.edit: THEY REMOVED IT! D: RIP
.compact- I’ve visited you about 5 times, ever.They got rid of .compact after people pointed out you could use it to access i.reddit.com after they removed that.
To follow compliance with the Know Your Customer Pornographic Materials Act, please use the following guidelines for your photograph:
The picture must be clear, at least 720x480p.
The picture must include your entire body, including your head and toes. Portrait only. *This helps us identify you better.
Please remove any articles of clothing, your body must be unimpeded by any obstruction. *Burqas and other headscarves must be removed, no exceptions.
If you were assigned female at birth, you will be required to rotate 180 degrees and upload another portrait photograph of your back. *Please use only your valid binary gender at birth, either male or female.
Further requests for identification photos are at our discretion, our board has full authority. You may be required to upload alternative photos, such as positions bending over to help us identify your genitalia to ensure it matches your birth gender.
Thank you for using Persona. For any questions or complaints, please direct them to: BigDaddyGuns6969@aol.com. Please allow up to 14 days for an initial response, and 88 hours for subsequent replies.
I know this is a joke but I’m worried it might not be in the future.
Harassment will not be tolerated. Your comment has been sent to the board for review and we will decide whether your identity will be removed from Persona. We are not obligated by law to communicate the outcome. You may receive a writ for violating Amendment 3 C, “Requirement of official identification”, the pecuniary fine is at our discretion.
That’s what you get for using Reddit.
This applies to every single site that hosts adult content - not just reddit.
Unfortunately it’ll be what UK users get for using any site, since it’s the law.
So can I upload a dick pic?
If the UK is going to require adult verification it should be built into your internet contract. Yeah, I’m an adult. I’m paying my bills, of course I’m a fucking adult. I over pay for this garbage internet.
Uploading a selfie? The ai is going to determine if you’re over 18? Can the ai determine if the selfie is also ai?
This works fine with personal contracts like your mobile. (EE has a porn filter that you can disable in your account.)
But it doesn’t quite work for contracts that usually have multiple users. Like your home Internet. Because a child could connect to your WiFi and access that shmutz.
Parental controls exist. Why should single adults be forced to jump through hoops because most parents are lazy fucks who don’t take responsibility for their kids?
Because it’s always a few fuckwits ruining it for the rest.
These laws aren’t a response to a real problem. The kids are fine. The parents are usually fine. These laws are posturing at best.
Then have the ISPs provide an interface to set which devices can access porn. No ID required.
Or even simples. Just like you have a guest WiFi, have a kids WiFi and an adult wifi
Which has been possible for decades now. People are just so dumb and lazy they rather accept a deep invasion of everyone’s privacy.
Yes. But honestly one of the main complains I’ve seen is not that this is wrong, but that they passed the law without having planned how they should do it while keeping the users safe and private.
Having a WiFi for kids and WiFi for adults could achieve the desired result without really compromising privacy (I think, but I’m not sure), or even enhancing it, since using Facebook on a kids WiFi would mean that Facebook thinks that you are a kids and KONWS they can’t legally track you
Also we could change some dumb rules on other like no posting nudity, since now if a user is using an adult WiFi, they should be treaded as adults. Want to post nudes on twitter? Sure, tag it as such and only adults will see them
In 5minutes on Lemmy we have come up with better ideas than the current law. They didn’t think about this nor heard the critics that have been saying this is a bad idea for years
But then again. What can we expect from people that trus t electronic voting
Edit: forgot this was about the UK. iDK if they have electronic voting
Your ISP doesn’t see which device accesses the Internet. They only see their router.
OTOH, most routers already have features to block websites for specific client devices. But good luck putting the onus on the parents to configure that properly.
They can see and manage the router remotely no reason why they couldn’t do it. Mine let’s me turn off the router lights, change the WiFi password or turn of the WiFi all together.
How do you think this will go down? Parents calling the ISP with “please unblock porn sites for me”? I see various things why this won’t work. From ISPs not wanting to increase the number of service calls over Apple’s Private WiFi MAC addresses to these kind of customers not even knowing how their devices appear on the router. Nah, completely unfeasible.
Yeah. I like the idea of separare WiFi. INE forma adults and another for kids
Can the AI determine if I’m just uploading photos of Kier Starmer as my ID?
The current answer is that it is very difficult to determine if something was AI generated at scale, and if someone puts some effort in its effectively impossible currently.
Yeah, it’s some serious BS. They are forcing you to hand over and trust Reddit with your personal information, yet I wouldn’t trust them if my life depended on it.
At the very least, someone in charge of this legisltion should learn OAuth2 and force the sites they want to comply by only let those OAuth2 accounts access their adult content. If I was in the UK, I’d just pay for a VPN over giving my photo to Reddit. That site is a lobby brigade hellhole whose “we know your dark secrets, we know everything” owner is also probably trading your account details on the side.
What if I’m actually a set of traffic lights and the AI can’t work out what I am from my selfie?
I identify as a zebra crossing.
Just send an AI selfie problem solved.
This is a combination of terrible legislation in the UK meets awful social media site.
The Online Safety Act is an abomination, compromising the privacy and freedom of the vast majority of the UK in the name of “protecting children”.
I’m of the view parents are responsible for protecting their children. I know it’s hard but the Online Safety Act is not a solution.
All it will.do is compromise the privacy and security of law abiding adults while kids will still access porn and all the other really bad stuff on the Internet will actually be unaffected. The dark illegal shit on the Internet is not happening on Pornhub or Reddit.
The UK is gradually sliding further and further into censorship, and authoritarianism and all the in the name of do gooders. It’s scary to watch.
The solution to all of this “think of the children” stuff is that devices owned/used by children should have to be registered as a child’s device, which would enable certain content blockers.
Forcing adults to verify their identity, rather than simply activating some broad based restrictions on devices being purchased for child use, is a waste of time. Kids will still find workarounds. Adult privacy will be compromised.
Its also an easily enforceable policy to require registration of children’s devices. You can hold the parents to compliance. You can hold the carriers to compliance. Its truly the simplest way to keep kids from accessing porn without having to mess with adult use of the internet whatsoever
That’s kinda the case right now already, but the problem is that adult-only sites don’t work with that currently.
So the right solution would be to mandate that e.g. all sites are required to return a header with an age recommendation or something similar, so that a device set to child-mode then can block all these sites. And if a site doesn’t set the header, it will also get blocked on child-mode devices
Wouldn’t be too hard to do, and accidental overblocking would only occur on child-mode devices, so there’s not much of a loss there.
Legislation could then be focussed on mandating that these headers aren’t falsely set (e.g. a porn site setting the header to child-friendly).
Allow listing sounds like the better solution. Ie the device had a list of remotes approved by the parents.
That way there’s no need to police every website in the world in perpetuity.
Listing already exists, but in practice it’s quite impractical, mainly because it’s either not granular enough or too granular.
If the listing feature allows me to allow/deny on a domain basis, then allowing Wikipedia for example would mean that I’d also allow all the non-child-friendly content on there too. Like the literal full-length porn videos or the photographies of genital torture that are on there. And if I block all of Wikipedia, I also block all of the hundreds of thousands of informative and totally child-acceptable pages on there.
If, on the other hand, I allow/deny on a per-page basis, then using the internet becomes nigh unmanageable, because each click of my kid requires me to allow/deny the next page. It’s not that often when using the internet that you access the same exact url every day without clicking to sub-pages.
A header would solve that issue. That way I could e.g. allow all Wikipedia articles that are rated for ages 6 and that’s ok. The rating should of course be like for movies, so that it doesn’t mean that a child would understand the articles, but that there’s nothing child-endangering in there like the videos and images (and accompanying texts) mentioned above.
Or just block wikipedia and use one of the many encyclopedia websites designed for kids instead (1), (2). This has the benefit of having your goals met, without making the world a worse place for everyone else.
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It still requires arbitration of every digitally communicated thought, whether it’s age appropriate and to what degree. It’s mass thought policing, as well as trying to enforce a cookiecutter morality on every person.
I get the desire to enforce thoughts on someone else. But fight it, please. At least let people be free in their own mind.
Especially since the tools to achieve your stated goal, protection of your child(ren), are already available. So you can perform your censorship desire in the confinement of your family bubble. No need for collateral damage.
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Waauw, you really are unsympathetic.
Good example: they are already used for example to censor the idea of non-heterosexual relationships (1). Don’t let them expand it, or give them even more tools, please.
Your stated goals already are achievable with existing tools.
<html> <head> <meta agerating="totallysafeforkidstrustmebro"> </head> <body> <iframe src="https://www.pornhub.com/"></iframe> </body> </html>The arguments that I’ve seen against that is that the problem is the hardware. The child can figure out/find a hack to circumvent the restrictions. A determined 11/12 year old could do it. They’re the ones who still need restriction.
So what you’re telling me is you don’t think an 11/13/14 yo could use an LLM to age up a selfie to gain access to subreddits they shouldn’t be accessing (legally or morally). But you do think that same age group of children is going to gain root access to a device in order to flash some software to circumvent a device specific toggle limiting their device by hard coding it as a child’s device.
Tbh I’m surprised they’re not asking for government issued id along with the selfie.
I’m gonna be honest here. I don’t think it would be that difficult for a kid to get both from their parent.
I don’t think this is a good idea…
This is even more invasive - it would mean all the traffic and activity in every device would be traceable to a registration. Whereas now they might have a pretty good lock on individual device ids, they’d then have an actual registry of devices and owners to verify it against
A simple toggle, secured with a password would do it. Child’s device Y/N. If no, proceed. Your browser or whatever app you’re using would only need to see that one setting, and it’s not much different than your browser looking at any number of settings on your device.
Shit with TWO toggles, the other being “is this child under the age of 13?” You could even force sites like YouTube actually to comply with federal law about targeting minors with advertising.
But. These laws aren’t actually about protecting children, they’re about establishing a real identity for every person online.
Yea, that’s the thing - I don’t think it would ‘do’ it for legislators. Like you mentioned - it’s not really about protecting children, but also the only way to enforce a law like this would be to log or register devices to specific people or children. This would essentially just shift the point of verification from the individual website to the point of sale of the phone or tablet. Verifying the age is the part that necessitates identification - the only thing a hardware-locked strategy does is centralizes that verification to a governing body instead of individual websites, but it still associates individuals with specific devices.
I get why this might seem preferable, but the problem of online privacy still persists.
Goal achieved. “Think of the children” is subterfuge.
Your solution is worse.
As is, it is the responsibility of the content provider to make sure that they are distributing only to people who are legally allowed to have it.
With age-verification the user has to prove that they are allowed to access the content, then the site can distribute it to them.
Your approach is to distribute the content by default and only deny it to ChildDevices. In order for this to work at all, you have to mandate that children can only use ChildDevices. This is soooo much worse than simply requiring that adults who want to see certain content have to prove that they can legally access it. If adults have reservations about providing ID for pornography, the loss of such content seems to be much less than denying children Internet access. (Although, I’m sure that Lemmings would disagree for obvious reasons).
that's what happens when the uk has had 40+ years of constant tory rule (and yes blue labour are tories)
The online safety act isn’t actually about protecting children. That’s a smoke screen for a surveillance bill. They want to eliminate anonymity online.
If a politician says it’s to help the children, it’s almost safe to assume they themselves rape children, at least in America.
Lol. Fuck off reddit.
I can’t tell you how tired I am of hearing about all the absolutely inane batshit coming out of the UK. Holy shit your country is a dumpster fire.
does the federated nature of lemmy/piefed/kbin/etc prevent governments from taking action against them?
Kind of
It makes it harder at least.
The government can try to take action on an instance, but there’s still every other instance.
Going the way of tumblr? I’m sure it will work out well for them. /s
They better be NSFW selfies.
Sharpies
I’d send them a pic of my hairy bollocks as proof.
Well, I guess i am going to be regularly updating the metadata on my most recent selfie.
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Oh dear. What a dreadful business.
Anyway, this is mine.
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This whole thing is a security disaster waiting to happen.
“Oops, our password was ‘Reddit’ and we’ve had a leak” in coming.
Username: admin Password: admin
Why do I have a feeling that a handful of people are going to suddenly become n-tuplets?
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Like father, like son, I guess.
Perfect use for that old “This Person Doesn’t Exist” website.
Just post on them. Two birds with one stone.
But if you do comply, double down by ringing Kier Starmer up and letting him (and your local MP) know what you’ve been wanking off to, since he’s so fucking interested. He could have blocked this, but he let it run because he also agrees with it.
I wonder if there’s a browser addon to make an itemised list of all the videos and camgirls and then I can send it to him on a regular basis. It should log when you close the browser window so it knows when you’ve “finished” so to speak. Maybe I could highlight those videos in bold for him, so he can skip right to the good ones.
There’s an app for that. Talk to Mike Johnson.
this is actually a really good idea. nice proposal
Browser history? Just export as html or something and email it over…
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Fuck Reddit fuck spez
Makes sense. How do they know your a male looking for hetero pic unless you send them your penis to prove it.
Question in general about that UK law while there’s people here who seem to know things: What about my private, personal website that I run as a hobby? If I have nsfw content on there* that I made myself with (one of (lolamirite)) my own two hands for free with no monetary gain whatsoever, they can’t expect me to implement age verification, can they?
* (I don’t right now, calm down)
Edit: any non-profit thing, really. AO3?
Next in the news: “500k Usernames, Passwords and biometric data leaked in the latest hack”
Who is not “Rick Rolling” this with a selfie of a stock photo (or a frame from “Never Gonna Give you Up”?)
Remember those are just the ones you hear about. Plenty happen and are never talked about by either side for obvious reasons.
So…coming soon: an app that can match up images of friends or colleagues with a summary of their pornography preferences.
This could at least liven up some boring meetings or dull parties…
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They've been doing that for most NSFW communities for a while. It's called a Verification Post.
Verification posts are only for if you’re uploading photos. This new verification will be required before you can even view these communities.
Sorry, that comment was sarcasm. Or, maybe they could use the same pic for both types of verification. Hang some brain with your face and make someone's day (or nightmare), was my point!
I also think you don’t need to identify yourself in those? Like, you show your Internet nickname only?
There’s a bunch of AI face generating pictures. I wonder if you can just use those. Or maybe this is just to create a new law to arrest people of uploading fake pictures…
thispersonnotexist.org
this-person-does-not-exist.com/en
Are they asking for selfies, or selfies of the user? Important difference.
And it would know the difference how?
I’m not the person you were replying to but maybe the limit of using the websites like the ones I posted is you can’t reuse the same face (at least not than I’m aware of).
So if you are in the UK and you upload 2 selfies from the site and the facial recognition pattern is different from each other, then the system which Reddit is using might reject it.
This is only a guess though.
It should be trivial to generate a stack of similar enough selfies to fool these systems. Still, any site that starts requiring this shit isn’t worth going on.
Agreed. I hope more people leave that dumpster fire.
They can force you to use your phone’s camera. Due to faceID, modern phones have fairly sophisticated cameras that can tell the difference between a static image and a 3d physical face.
Meh, it’s just software
I don’t use my phone for shit like this. If anything that could be just a website can only be used through an “app”, I just don’t use it.
Edit, also, what’s stopping me from holding my phone to a computer screen?
Modern facial recognition cameras project a grid of infrared dots on your face and use the distortion of them to sense the depth and contours of your face. You’d have to 3d print a head to defeat it.
That said, Reddit is probably doing the bare minimum to comply with the law and will probably just use an uploaded 2d image.
is reddit still alive? it must be 100% bot on bot action by now…
Lemmy is heavily botted as well. They are the ones making the majority of the posts.
no?
Probably. reddit has tons of content from back when humans were the dominant posters there and that comes up in search results. I can see a future where text searches will turn up reddit posts much like image searches flood you with pinterest shit.
techno-archeology is a thing I guess
This is the facebook “show a video of your face” bs all over again. glad i don’t have an account on either site bc not only is it a huge privacy concern, you know they store all that data and are going to sell it and/or use it to train AI models
“Stephen Fry has an awful lot of Reddit accounts.”
How about I upload a dick Pic? That should do.
“That’s a crime what you are doing”
“What, taking a leak?”
“No, holding a little boy’s dick”
laugh track playing, with accompanying drumroll
🤣🤣🤣
Lmao when the “anonymous” online forum requires de-anonymizing, I want to hope everyone leaves
Some people will leave, the rest will ride it out as Reddit continues to transform itself into Facebook
To your point, it’s insane how much data reddit collects about you.
To be clear, this is a UK law now applied to any website that serves UK citizens. Anything that hosts adult content requires UK citizens to provide some form of age verification. Like a photo (for AI age estimation), credit card, utility bills, and so on. The government is dumb, and I guess it’s time to just sit on VPNs 24/7 now.
POV: You’re the intern tasked with reviewing the selfies. <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/6b993b48-5296-43c1-b96b-db75247da4b7.jpeg">
thats not what pov means, upload a selfie as punishment
That could very well be the POV of the intern having to approve career gooners
POV = point of view. The intern’s point of view. They’re looking at the selfies submitted by gooners. The picture is a gooner. Idk what you’re talking about.
It’ll almost certainly be an AI model doing it.
Yeah, this is showing up at roughly the same time we can get (almost) free 5 second video generation from some services, and fast still picture generation on consumer grade hardware. It’s the perfect combination of useless, stupid, and obsolete, all in one very pricey and very dangerous precedent-filled package.
That brings up an interesting thought. What if people uploaded AI generated selfies?
So long as its generated by the same (or a better model) it shouldn’t be able to tell.
It’ll almost certainly be an AI model backed by 1000s of “trainers” in 3rd world countries doing it, but only until the model is fully trained.
vpn⬆️⬆️⬆️
Yeah, fuck all that.
Guess we’re transitioning into a VPN only future.
We have the opportunity to head into a utopic or dystopic future and we’re absolutely choosing the dystopic one.
I don’t think we ever really had a choice
Indeed. With our current system it was only a matter of time. As soon as the internet became a default thing which everyone needed to access just to function in their daily lives, it would of course be subjected to the exact same exploitative mechanisms that the non-internet part of our lives have suffered from since the dawn of history.
They’ll criminalize personal VPN users for non-work purposes, next.
Work VPN doesn’t look any different to any other VPN to the people tapping the lines.
I agree, and whilst I don’t personally bother with vpns myself because I prefer other solutions, it’s one of the things that helps prevent insane UK politicians’ bad hottakes on tech becoming law
Edit: an apostrophe
Once businesses fully implement zero-trust, VPNs are redundant.
I’ll just use a VPN to hide my VPN use and then they’ll never know.
Good luck, I’m behind 7 proxies.
Sounds like a loophole to me!
A VPN future? Haha. Not if they don’t want to. There are many ways to prevent VPN from operating when you’re a government.
You can just plain ban encryption, which sounds really crazy, but yeah, they’re trying to.
You can just say “it’s illegal to use a VPN”. It’ll technically still work, but if there’s a trace of trafic from your house to a known VPN endpoint, you’re it! Great!
They can force custom proprietary spying software on your devices. Sounds equally crazy as the thing above, right? But rest assured they’re ALSO trying to do that. Multiple times, even. And in some places… they did. Of course, nothing forces you to have such software on your device. Especially if your devices are not supported; it also turns into a “you have to buy this or that big name device, everything else’s de-facto illegal! Fuck you, we’re the government!”. And if you get caught for whatever, and your phone, PC, or anything isn’t “compliant”? Bam. Guilty.
Plenty of option. All of them completely stupid and would weaken both privacy, individuals, and governments at large. It never stopped legislation from being pushed forward.
Is this the onion?
u/spez was the lead moderator of r/jailbait, and when he was caught, he got rid of mod transparency. Ghilisaine Maxwell was likely a l lead moderator of news Reddits as well (u/MaxwellHill). Reddit has always been compromised.
The speed they banned r/pizzagate was illuminating.
what’s the topic of r/jailbait?
I’m not defending Spez, I think he’s a piece of shit and he did edit other users’ comments that were critical of him, which is fucked up, but I don’t think he was actually involved with that sub. It was possible to appoint mods without their knowledge or consent, and he’s a huge target, someone must have done it as a joke.
NSFW selfies?
...yet the most wonderful thing about the atman-brahma is that everyone is no one and everyone...anonymity is required for nirvana...
...yet the most wonderful thing about the atman-brahma is that everyone is no one and everyone...anonymity is required for nirvana...
I didn’t expect to find my fellow Advaitins on this particular thread, but hello, well met!
...fellow traveler in gaseous environs, hail and well met...
What if I just have AI generate a fake selfie with a fake ID? Are they gonna use AI to check it against a database? Well, I actually have my AI write a bunch of malware into the image and now I’ve hacked into the mainframe and downloaded your entire porn database. Suck on that harddrive
Sending a dick pick. Now it’s whatever is in front of these to make a though decision.
A very hard decision indeed.
Kier Starmer voice: “We are an island, of wankers”
“I don’t hate the English. They’re just wankers. But we … we were colonized by wankers!”
Reddit stopped being any good when that guy doing a batman/joker role reversal writing prompt stopped posting
Im using a UK based IP and everything is works the same
Cool brah
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We thought the same thing about Netflix with the sharing password bans. Yet they retained more profit than ever the next year.
Who’s to say if this is what will make Reddit end, or did they actually just got more successful after the end of 3rd party apps compared to the declaration of so many users back then?
Digital personal verification is just going to become a fact of life in the future for everyone born after about 2012. They will use online ID cards, biometrics, location metadata that is constantly uploaded by our devices, maybe even implanted RFID encrypted chips for account verification. Passwords are becoming outdated and outmoded for security as we speak here. 2FA is the minimum security for online today but that may soon become outmoded as well.
I literally haven’t had a Netflix sub since that year and I sometimes miss the convenience of it even. Haven’t been very frequent on reddit in 2 years. Neither company is going to miss me though.
Soon it’ll just be piracy and the fediverse for me, and maybe I’ll be able to show my daughter how to download movies and shows, but I’m sure within within her lifetime, piracy will just become so unpopular that all the good sources of content die out. I do hope the fediverse will stay around though. It has a similar problem to piracy: It’s not that it’s hard, it’s more that the people making everything work get tired and it’s hard to convert people.
LOL. No “we” didn’t. A few idiots did.
These large tech companies have e focus groups and can do extensive research on how their markets will react to these changes.
Any analysis on social media just doesn’t have access to that data.
That’s because Netfilx is basically a media powerhouse & kind of a monopoly.
& your average person doesn’t know how to effectively pirate
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Bet that this won’t stop anyone from using it. People are sheep. Easily pacified and all too willing to give up whatever is requested for even the tiniest of endorphin boosts.
so those scam popups that scare people by saying their webcam was hacked and took pictures of them while looking at porn is getting state sanction!
Just upload a picture of any politician who voted for this.
closeted wizard porn enjoyer seeks alternatives
For some reason I immediately thought of this.
[m.youtube.com/watch?v=UeAWPSB2toQ&pp=ygUXamF6eiBl…](Jazz Emu - Lockdown Lover)
no don’t do it
But he’s levioser than Hermione?!? How does one resist.
Keeping the age verifier seperate from the content host is good. Destroying the files used for verification is good. On paper it’s not too a bad system for age verification, but it really hinges on if you can trust them. Given the track record of basically almost every company and government ever…
Problem is, how do we know that the company is reputable, audited, and so on?
I’ve seen more places requiring verification - and each one of them seems to use a different verification company. How are there so many of these places, and why aren’t they more commonly known? Like Experian for credit, etc.
Sure it might sound good to keep them separate - but all that is doing is absolving the content host from liabilities for providing the adult content (somewhere) on their platforms and sites. Reddit don’t want to get involved, and I’ll bet they found the cheapest and easiest provider, or the first one in the search list and thought “good enough”.
I think it’s good that Reddit is trying to continue to allow adult content within the legal framework in which it must operate.
I guess what I’m not clear on it is what the legal framework is for verification services. Absent rules that require robust privacy protections market forces will push a race to the bottom in terms of cost and data security will be the first to take a hit.
I know this might seem weird but I think this is one of those cases where a blockchain based smart contract might be the best solution. I’m not exactly sure, as any system that allows one to consume content generally also allows one to copy it, but having a system defined in code in a publicly auditable manner that cannot be changed without notice seems to me to have the capacity to grant the most reassurance.
I mean I assume that all the verification company is doing now is verifying a person’s age and then giving a kind of authorization token that’s cryptographically secure that basically says “the owner of this cryptographic key is of age”.
Good take. You are right. Still fuck this.
Parental controls exist. Use them instead. I fucking hate this.
tale as old as time even since I was a kid and I’m in my 40s. Reminds me of the original videogame rating system that Sega originally implemented in NA when the first Mortal Kombat came out. Parents, to this day, are still unable to manage what their kids consume.
I mean my parents never had an issue with this. Like when they’d rent movies, I wasn’t allowed to watch Terminator 2 until I was like 13 and it was my Dads favourite movie. He put it on “ok, you have to leave the room now we’re watching a movie” and I did.
This is what Facebook does to verify accounts, they also autoban if you try to register with a temp email
Ohhhhhh so that’s why, now I get why my FB account got auto-deleted repeatedly.
Does Discord do that too ?? Because it makes sense
I believe so? I don’t know it’s been awhile since I’ve used Discord (I just went back to IRC). I know awhile ago when I had to use Discord I had issues signing back up with a temp email I created so perhaps.
They started recently yeah. I’m in some nsfw discords and they I’d you now
What’s considered a temporary email? How do they know?
Proton mail has a feature where you can create a new address that ties to your main one, but nobody except proton knows it is you. They end in passmail.net. I’m sure there are other providers that do similar things
Cool. Thanks :)
It’s actually passinbox.com. The format is ${aliasName}.${randomWord}${random3DigitNumber}@passinbox.com Ex: lemmy.spaghetti198@passinbox.com
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Is it just a selfie? I can still access NSFW reddit content without even logging in though.
Is it only a selfie? AI gen go brrr?
Nah. An image of government ID. “But we don’t need your information, just confirmation of age” 🫠 forget that.
I don’t have any government ID
I guess this site will see some traffic.
Really ? This site says otherwise
just use one of the libreddit instances like safereddit.com or something. I mean why would you need to comment in a NSFW subreddit? worse comes to worse just use a VPN like mullvad. So many ways to circumvent this.
Didn’t they ban NSFW a year ago?
Not globally at least. Let’s just say I have an inside source
They’re not banning NSFW, they’re trying to control it. It’s now login-gated (with a cheeky blurred background if you’re not).
Meh, just upload a dick pic.
<img alt="Greedy little pigboy." src="https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/5149dc10-8370-46c2-a1bc-e8d6cadc80a9.webp">
I’ll never forget how he changed users’ text without them knowing it before the 2016 election. Reddit was going downhill before, but that was a turning point.
For those unaware, this isn’t something like replacing a slur with removed, he edited users’ comments, turning them into insults to other users.
I don’t care that those original commenters were (likely) pieces of shit, and the people who he made the comments insult were definitely pieces of shit, putting words into people’s mouths to make them fight each other is unforgivable. Even if you put out a shitty apology.
I’m a UK citizen, fuck everything about this law. I’m so sick of the current authoritarian trend amongst some western countries. The UK is one of the worst offenders.
It’s not even about protecting kids. It’s about control and appeasing puritanical elements in society. We’re the 6th richest economy in the world and we can’t even offer some of the poorest kids food security. But at least they can’t see a pair of tits on Reddit.
I keep thinking about some of RPs I’ve done in my life. Hot, vile, smutty text based RPs. I think about them and wonder if there will ever be a time when those words would be considered illegal and I would be arrested for posting them. This doesn’t just protect minors. It tags deviance. Some of you may know the darker corners of Reddit. Imagine if an AI flagged your subs. The delete-rebuild cycle doesn’t work anymore. Reddit will always know. If the law asks for suspects for newly illegal thought crime, Reddit will be able to point to all the users on those dark corners. We are moving into a future where privacy doesn’t matter and I fear what that means for the kinky among us.
Something similar happened In China recently. A female author of homoerotic texts was charged for it.
amongus
I’m nowhere near as worried about this for kink stuff as I am about us LGBTQ living in the US.
That’s a subject many never talk about: it assumes we (1) have morality all figured out and (2) it’s the same for everyone, everywhere.
Hm, I’m going to need some software engineers to critique an idea I have that could at least partially solve the fears people have about their personal details being tied to their porn habits.
The system will be called the Adult Content Verification System (or Wank Card if you want to be funny). It’s a physical card, printed by the government with a unique key printed on it. Those cards are then sold by any shop that has an alcohol license (premises or personal). You go in, show your ID to the clerk, buy the card. That card is proof that you’re over 18, but it is not directly tied to you, you just have to be over 18 to buy it. The punishment for selling a Wank Card to someone under the age of 18 is the same as if you sold alcohol to someone under 18.
When you go to the porn site, they check if you’re from the UK, they check if you have a key associated with your account. If not, they ask for one, you provide the key to the site, the site does an API call to
https://wankcard.gov.uk/api/verifywith the site’s API key (freely generated, but you could even make the api public if you want) and the key on the card, gets a response saying “Yep! This is a valid key!” and hey presto, free to wank and nobody knows it’s you! If you don’t have an account, the verification would have to be tied to a cookie or something that disappears after a while for all you anonymous people.As a result, you can both prove that you’re over 18 (because you have the card) and some company over in San Francisco doesn’t get your personal data, because you never actually record it anywhere. All you have is keys, and while yes, the government could record “Oh this key was used to verify on this site”, they’d have to know which shop the key was bought from, who sold it, and who bought it, which is a lot more difficult to do unless the shopkeeper keeps records of everyone he’s ever sold to.
So… Good idea? Bad idea? Better than the current approach anyway, I think.
This would be better than most of the crap being proposed or implemented.
But, since the keys are presumably reusable, they’ll presumably get borrowed shared by and among minors almost immediately.
There could be some “Netflix account sharing” style work to deter that, of course.
Yeah I did consider that people are going to share keys, but people are going to share accounts too so that’s always going to happen. The best thing you can do is stick some safeguards on the keys where if a key is found online, it can be deactivated and potentially investigated since you can tell which shop sold the key. If there’s a shop out there just giving cards away to minors, well they’re in for a world of trouble.
Under the Licensing Act of 2003, it’s illegal to sell alcohol to an adult if you reasonably suspect that they will be then giving that alcohol to a minor. You can assume the same will apply to people selling Wank Cards.
get ahead of it and sell discounted bukkakeys
you could probably even have a bundle called the “family plan” for the real sickos
I should get into masturbation regulation marketing!
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I’m a security dev and this is a good idea!
How would you solve replay attacks? Like a million people, of age or not, sharing the same key?
Maybe you could limit the number of verifications a key can have in a day? Limit it to say 10 verifications per day. So if you’re on Pornhub and have an account, you can have the key associated with the account, verified, and so you don’t need to re-verify. But if you go on 10 completely different sites and verify for each one, you can’t verify after that 10th one within the same 24hr period?
You could maybe also include guidelines for integration where if a key is associated with an account, that key can’t be used for any other account. You can include that under some requirement that says you have to make ‘best efforts’ to ensure that a key is only ever used by one account at a time. That way, if a million people are sharing the same key, you’d have to trust that all one million of them will never associate that key with their account because if they do, it invalidates that key for every use other than through that account on that site.
That said, as someone who has posted stuff like that and had it spread without my consent, screw (very much not literally) consuming that shit without taking the same risks as the people sharing what they get off to.
I do think its gross to require it for the other NSFW stuff. Drug forums are very important resources for harm reduction.
Years later, you will find many then teen’s 80yo grandmas’ photos in the leaked database