Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world
on 29 Feb 2024 23:48
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Ran-chan?
sramder@lemmy.world
on 29 Feb 2024 20:58
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Love it. When they announced they were getting out of the handset market years ago I figured they were nuts. Now their equipment replaces china’s while they seemingly now manufacture licensed knockoffs of Nokia’s old handsets 🤯
Someone at Nokia is getting the Bond Villain of the Year award 🤔
Both Ericsson and Nokia have been huge players in the cellular networking market for many years, and still are. Nothing new. The only thing new is that they are getting even more contracts in the west since governments started boycotting Chinese companies (for good reason).
sramder@lemmy.world
on 29 Feb 2024 21:22
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Sure… it was more that they chose to pull out around the start of the smart phone revolution. It seemed foolish at the time. I’m not actually implying they had a master-plan, just joking around a bit.
The story of Nokia the company is long and meandering. Its roots go back to late 1860’s in the town of Nokia in Southern Finland, near the city of Tampere, from where they’ve gone through all sorts of businesses, including rubber boots and industrial capacitors to name just two. You might even find an old Nokia TV knocking about. The mobile handsets phase was in some sense but a blip in the story, although a spectacular one. I’m sure they’ll keep going in one way or another for a fair while still.
PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz
on 01 Mar 2024 01:25
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It does read a bit like something that should be on a bronze plaque somewhere.
sramder@lemmy.world
on 01 Mar 2024 04:33
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I knew they made other consumer electronics but I had no idea about the boots. That’s a delightfully wholesome origin story :-)
Are they really struggling? I’m sure the margins are much better on carrier grade telecom equipment. I don’t think Huawei is going to mourn the loss, but this is probably a huge deal for Nokia.
RobotToaster@mander.xyz
on 01 Mar 2024 11:30
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Nokia is a proponent of OpenRAN and associated technologies, which are open, vendor-agnostic standards for phone networks backend kit as opposed to the very, very proprietary systems of yore; I’d say on the basis that it should be easier to tell if an OpenRAN box is leaky. Obviously that requires vigilance on the part of the operator so, yeah, fuck knows, but it’s harder for OpenRAN kit to lie.
As an aside, most countries have Lawful Intercept laws. Part of these laws require that the network kit has a standard physical port that gives full, unrestricted and - scarily - unlogged access to everything they handle for use by your government’s intelligence agencies.
brbposting@sh.itjust.works
on 01 Mar 2024 16:50
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Well then I guess you really gotta trust the manufacturer. Or be able to verify yourself. Or both!
I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make here, but Nokia was a general tech company doing this sort of thing long before their handset business took off. They were known for phones the same way IBM was for laptops but that was almost a distraction from their core business.
HMD, the company that now makes Nokia-branded phones, is Finnish. Not only that, HMD is literally the same division that Nokia sold off to Microsoft, then MS spun off as a separate company and still has a lot of the same senior staff. The people making Nokia phones in 2024 are the same people who made them in 2004.
I wasn’t really going for a point… and I suspect I was looking at some kind of odd knockoff based on what you said about the handsets. Shopping for something with a keypad to pacify my aging father I ran across this (New and Original Nokia 6300 4G)[
a.aliexpress.com/_mON9HOK]. Which triggered some latent memory of Nokia licensing their handset business to someone, and here we are.
RobotToaster@mander.xyz
on 29 Feb 2024 21:24
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In unrelated news, there’s suddenly a lot of cheap huawei equipment on ebay.
wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Feb 2024 21:52
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I have been looking for some rubidium time clocks… I missed the boat when they decommissioned 2G and they were going for dirt cheap on eBay. Last I checked they were far more expensive now, so let’s hope this and the 3G tear down help bring the prices down again.
fne8w2ah@lemmy.world
on 01 Mar 2024 10:21
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Maybe that’s why China wants to dump all their old huawei 4g equipment on north korea?
PoliticallyIncorrect@lemmy.world
on 29 Feb 2024 21:42
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There is a difference between a democratic, allied government spying and an authoritarian government spying.
Pussydogger@lemmy.world
on 01 Mar 2024 11:28
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There is a difference between a democratic, allied government raping, killing, bombing, murdering, genocide and an authoritarian government raping, killing, bombing, murdering and genocide?
It’s okay if we do it! Double standard!
The 5 eye has been caught with the penis in cookie jar via the NSA snowden leaks. Yet to show any evidence of Huawei spying for the Chinese government.
assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world
on 01 Mar 2024 20:20
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I don’t care if china is spying on me. China doesn’t work closely with the glowies in my jurisdiction. The US absolutely does. That I care about.
fne8w2ah@lemmy.world
on 01 Mar 2024 10:15
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Enjoy that sweet 50 cents mate.
yournamehere@lemm.ee
on 01 Mar 2024 08:41
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win!
fuck huawei. crooked propaganda tool for the fat dictator. fuck china. free tibet & the uigurs.
mariusafa@lemmy.sdf.org
on 01 Mar 2024 18:42
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Nice, used to be like this. Europe with European telecom. products, Nokia, Ericsson, etc.
threaded - newest
They also recently won a deal with Rakuten Mobile to supply RAN equipment in Japan
nokia.com/…/nokia-wins-deal-with-rakuten-mobile-i…
Ran-chan?
Love it. When they announced they were getting out of the handset market years ago I figured they were nuts. Now their equipment replaces china’s while they seemingly now manufacture licensed knockoffs of Nokia’s old handsets 🤯
Someone at Nokia is getting the Bond Villain of the Year award 🤔
Both Ericsson and Nokia have been huge players in the cellular networking market for many years, and still are. Nothing new. The only thing new is that they are getting even more contracts in the west since governments started boycotting Chinese companies (for good reason).
Sure… it was more that they chose to pull out around the start of the smart phone revolution. It seemed foolish at the time. I’m not actually implying they had a master-plan, just joking around a bit.
The story of Nokia the company is long and meandering. Its roots go back to late 1860’s in the town of Nokia in Southern Finland, near the city of Tampere, from where they’ve gone through all sorts of businesses, including rubber boots and industrial capacitors to name just two. You might even find an old Nokia TV knocking about. The mobile handsets phase was in some sense but a blip in the story, although a spectacular one. I’m sure they’ll keep going in one way or another for a fair while still.
Found the Nokia employee.
It does read a bit like something that should be on a bronze plaque somewhere.
I knew they made other consumer electronics but I had no idea about the boots. That’s a delightfully wholesome origin story :-)
Are they really struggling? I’m sure the margins are much better on carrier grade telecom equipment. I don’t think Huawei is going to mourn the loss, but this is probably a huge deal for Nokia.
Somewhat amusingly, they still make boots.
Chainsaw resistant boots! The zombie apocalypse accessory I did not know I needed until just now. Thank you friend :-) 
And they also made personal computers back in the 1980s.
Any opinion on the biggest risk?
Nokia is a proponent of OpenRAN and associated technologies, which are open, vendor-agnostic standards for phone networks backend kit as opposed to the very, very proprietary systems of yore; I’d say on the basis that it should be easier to tell if an OpenRAN box is leaky. Obviously that requires vigilance on the part of the operator so, yeah, fuck knows, but it’s harder for OpenRAN kit to lie.
As an aside, most countries have Lawful Intercept laws. Part of these laws require that the network kit has a standard physical port that gives full, unrestricted and - scarily - unlogged access to everything they handle for use by your government’s intelligence agencies.
Well then I guess you really gotta trust the manufacturer. Or be able to verify yourself. Or both!
Thanks for great info, very interesting :)
I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make here, but Nokia was a general tech company doing this sort of thing long before their handset business took off. They were known for phones the same way IBM was for laptops but that was almost a distraction from their core business.
HMD, the company that now makes Nokia-branded phones, is Finnish. Not only that, HMD is literally the same division that Nokia sold off to Microsoft, then MS spun off as a separate company and still has a lot of the same senior staff. The people making Nokia phones in 2024 are the same people who made them in 2004.
I wasn’t really going for a point… and I suspect I was looking at some kind of odd knockoff based on what you said about the handsets. Shopping for something with a keypad to pacify my aging father I ran across this (New and Original Nokia 6300 4G)[ a.aliexpress.com/_mON9HOK]. Which triggered some latent memory of Nokia licensing their handset business to someone, and here we are.
In unrelated news, there’s suddenly a lot of cheap huawei equipment on ebay.
.
I have been looking for some rubidium time clocks… I missed the boat when they decommissioned 2G and they were going for dirt cheap on eBay. Last I checked they were far more expensive now, so let’s hope this and the 3G tear down help bring the prices down again.
Maybe that’s why China wants to dump all their old huawei 4g equipment on north korea?
Stopping the Chinese 5G mindless robots…
The what now?
More protectionist measure as national security issues. Lip service to free and open market.
Huawei owns lots of 5g patents, will be paying one way or another.
Its not about not paying Huawei. Its about the way the CCP uses Huawei to spy.
Seen plenty of example of the 5 eye spying everything, yet to see an example of evidence Huawei spying.
There is a difference between a democratic, allied government spying and an authoritarian government spying.
There is a difference between a democratic, allied government raping, killing, bombing, murdering, genocide and an authoritarian government raping, killing, bombing, murdering and genocide?
It’s okay if we do it! Double standard!
The 5 eye has been caught with the penis in cookie jar via the NSA snowden leaks. Yet to show any evidence of Huawei spying for the Chinese government.
I don’t care if china is spying on me. China doesn’t work closely with the glowies in my jurisdiction. The US absolutely does. That I care about.
Enjoy that sweet 50 cents mate.
win!
fuck huawei. crooked propaganda tool for the fat dictator. fuck china. free tibet & the uigurs.
Nice, used to be like this. Europe with European telecom. products, Nokia, Ericsson, etc.