givesomefucks@lemmy.world
on 28 Aug 22:08
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Why do you think they just grabbed 10% of Intel?
One of the biggest criticism of AI summaries is you could just look at Wikipedia…
So you crush Wikipedia and then people can’t say AI is useless.
It ain’t a stretch, it’s basic logical reasoning, can you not see how that would work or do you not understand how trump could do something as unethical and destroy a free resource to make a buck?
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
on 28 Aug 21:48
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Quick question, honest question…
At what point are the right happy?
Because the left will be happy when everybody has equal rights, and a high standard of living for everyone.
So, if that’s the lefts benchmark of a great society, what’s the right fighting towards? Money? Power? Control?
Then what?
When is America “great again”?
Because they’ve been pushing that slogan since the 80s. What’s the endgame here?
Because from where I’m sitting, there is no endgame. Nothing will ever make them happy. Nothing will ever be good enough. So what the fuck is the point?
thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world
on 28 Aug 22:26
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Most citizen level republicans generally believe what they want is good for people. They generally believe women aren’t capable and must be cared for. Or atleast deluded themselves into thinking to have and excuse for their lust. But either way they truly believe they are the good guys. They also believe in some instances the only way to help someone is to let them experience challenge and over come it. To them the only logical choice when presented with suffering is to over come it. Even if they have not had to suffer themselves so they don’t really understand what they are talking about. Most the time people are just stupid and don’t realize they won’t get what they want (generally the same thing as the left a happy well fed population). However there are certain more malevolence in some people at the higher levels of the movement which use the hatred and fear of the right to their own advantage.
Most of their ideas stem from fear of something and most the people in charge benefit from stocking their fears.
I know a lot of right wingers and have successfully brought a few back to reality. Most they time they are just confused.
thatsnothowyoudoit@lemmy.ca
on 28 Aug 22:29
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@Lost_My_Mind@return2ozma when their toilets are of pure gold while the rest of the world is kaputt .... nah not even then because living in a gated community is like golden prison
They can’t be happy. The whole platform is to take the country back to before all of society started conspiring against the poor republican voter.
The big lie is that the dog can never catch the car because it isn’t trans people or immigrants or minorities that are oppressing republicans. It’s their politicians, the corruption that is ingrained into the system, and the rich that fight to keep the system rigged that are oppressing them and clearly republicans will never fix that
Pretty much this. The moment they actual reach end-game they’ll tear themselves apart. Fascism requires an enemy to survive. If there’s none available, they’ll turn inwards and cannibalize.
I think they are trying to go back to before they were grown up and had to deal with adult issues. They idolize their innocent childhood and some how associated that as the time when America was great. They find it really confusing that the child’s perspective of that time window was flawed. They also find it confusing that different age conservatives all imagine a different time window for when life was good.
The very rich will never be happy. If a billion dollars doesn’t make them happy, what the fuck will? They just want the ability to impose whatever shitty will they have upon everyone and because it will hurt a lot of people they are constantly afraid and that fear leads to them doing even more horrible things.
It’s a feedback loop that pushes them to do worse and worse things.
peaceful_world_view@lemmy.world
on 29 Aug 03:06
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I don’t know but I’m guessing there is a MASS GENOCIDE involved at some point.
Your’s is the typical defense of genocide-enabling Zionists and their allies from feddit.org in defense of Isn’treal: “The Holocaust was different! How dare you compare it to the Armenian genocide, or the Rohingya genocide or what is happening today in Gaza?”
A genocide is a genocide. It already implies mass.
Genocide was coined to mean, and is generally used in law to mean, the destruction of an ethnic group as such (as a group). This is the case whether it is done by killing of all members of the group or other means, such as dispersing the group. In common usage, genocide is often used to mean “systematic mass killing”, whether or not the purpose is the destruction of a group or something else, such as terrorizing the group or killing a population without regard to group membership, more specifically known as democide.
If you just want to know if “it is” a genocide, then ok, but IMO you should study them, understand the underlying reasons, and why not come up with ways to lower or even outright prevent them?
Doomsider@lemmy.world
on 29 Aug 04:58
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Extremists are never satisfied, they always want more. They are basically stuck on a stupid loop and just jump to the next demand when they get what they want.
We even have a special name for the current crew. They are called white extremists.
There was a pro-nazi movement in the U.S. in the 1930’s. They had a nazi rally in Madison Square Garden. The nazis went underground for the most part after the U.S. entered WW2.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org
on 29 Aug 07:05
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NS Fascism had several ties to the USA, not least Hitler himself admiring and copying tons of ideas. Esp. their Eugenics movement.
So, what I mean is common roots before 1933 and initially strong support after he got to power.
I’d like to back this up with a suitable article but I can’t find one rn.
It’s the 48 Star American flag, thus it’s the German American Bund in the 30s. To be fair to the literal Nazis pictured it’s before the holocaust was discovered. It’s not AI, it appears in this 2017 article: www.theatlantic.com/photo/2017/06/…/529185/
NoodlePoint@lemmy.world
on 29 Aug 06:25
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Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 29 Aug 07:53
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“ITS DANKESCHÖN VERDAMMT! YOU ARE BUTCHERING MY BEAUTIFUL LANGUAGE!” - wolfenstein
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org
on 29 Aug 12:53
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Honestly I wouldn’t expect Kluxers and normal old world fascists to understand each other. One of them is about race, the other is usually about cultural and ideological divisions. Even if the latter use race as one excuse to murder someone en masse, it’s not the core of their ideology, the core is that they should be able and need to practice to murder someone en masse. While American racists are something extremely weird.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org
on 29 Aug 06:57
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At what point are the right happy?
ENDLÖSUNG
AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Aug 06:59
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Once they’ve dismantled all progress made towards equality, and they control all the resources again.
People think this is a new fight, but it’s really the same one that we’ve been fighting forever. We just got too comfortable, and thought we couldn’t lose so much progress so quickly.
Dogiedog64@lemmy.world
on 29 Aug 07:13
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Fascism, as an ideology, is utterly fascinating to look at sometimes. It strikes so many wildly different mental chords that you can get lost trying to understand the minds of its believers and followers without even trying to, all while just drinking your morning coffee.
At what point are the right happy?
To answer this, it is utterly critical to mention that Fascism, as an ideology, is fundamentally predicated upon the idea that the Fascist “In-Group” is better than whatever “Out-Group” they are focused on at any given moment (Jewish people, LGBT+, Black people, Mexicans, etc.). To that end, they will stop at NOTHING to crush, oppress, exterminate, and ultimately obliterate that Out-Group completely, all the while screaming to their fellows and to anyone that will listen that the Out-Group is simultaneously infinitely weak and easy to crush, as well as insurmountably strong and impossible to resist. This contradiction allows them to drive themselves into a frenzy, by pissing each other off, as well as draw in new recruits who hear about the Out-Group as “weak” and decide they want to get in on it. Meanwhile, anyone who thinks deeper about this contradiction more easily writes off their movement as sloppy, reactionary, and ultimately harmless, since they clearly don’t know anything, letting them amass real public support under the radar for DECADES; we’ve seen this in America, with Fox News doing tons of heavy lifting for almost 50 years now in the Fascist PR department. It WORKS.
Once the In and Out-Groups are established, and public support starts to amass, the Fascists move to take public office, often starting in smaller, local elections that nobody runs for, elections that they can get a bunch of their buddies in the In-Group to vote for. Once they achieve public office, they try to continue ascending the public ranks to further their group’s political legitimacy, often forming alliances and coalitions with other right-wing and conservative groups to garner additional support in the legislature. For a historical example, the actual Nazis did this in Weimar Germany, starting as a fringe group in local elections, slowly climbing the ranks and gathering support, and ultimately working with other conservatives to seize power. Once sufficiently embedded in the system, they start purging members who aren’t sufficiently zealous and loyal to the In-Group, now a Political Party, and continue raging about the Out-Group, but on a state-side, or even national scale.
At this point, several things can happen. If there isn’t strong enough leadership in the party, it can splinter into a bunch of factions that hate each other, but still work together because they hate the Out-Group more. If there IS strong leadership in the Party, then they tend to make a mad grab for power, and consolidate it as much as they can. We saw this with Jan 6, Germany saw it with The Night of The Long Knives. Should this fail, the whole Party may very well self-destruct from infighting.
Now, you may ask, “what does any of this have to do with my question???” Remember, the entire time they’ve been climbing the political ladder, they’ve been raging at the Out-Group constantly, whipping themselves ever higher into a frenzy, garnering more and more support as they gather legitimacy in local elections. And now that they’ve made their mad grab for power, should it succeed, they can actually ACT on all their rhetoric that more rational, level-headed people wrote off at the beginning.
It starts with outright oppression, the boot of the state on the neck of the masses, usually focused on the Out-Group, but everyone feels it. Then it escalates, usually into mass-confinement and deportation of the Out-Group, while the oppression on everyone else gets worse. But as the rhetoric never ends, so too must the escalation; Extermination. Once the suffering and deportation of the Out-Group isn’t enough, always they turn to extermination. And once the Out-Group is gone…
Well, they’ll just find a new one. And another. And another. Over and over, until there’s only one group left, after all the purging and expulsion and deportation and death - the In-Group. But they won’t stop there. No, they keep going, denoting various internal factions as the Out-Group, targets to purge and exterminate. Constantly, accelerating as the numbers get smaller, until the whole Party explodes.
So. To answer your question, the Right will NEVER be happy, no matter how hard or how many Out-Group members they purge and exterminate. Because Fascism doesn’t have an endpoint where the In-Group “”“wins”“”. The entire ideology is fundamentally predicated on that singular idea, that the In-
When it’s stripped down to its bare essentials, yeah. They’re a cult founded on internalized hatred and externalized rage; if there’s no external target for that rage, it turns inward, and the whole thing self-destructs.
Happiness is not shared as a goal. For some people, happiness is so distant, the only thing achievable is to make everyone else equally misérable. Think Fundie Christians talking about the Valley of Tears.
They are already happy. The point of all this is to keep people ignorant and the working class divided- and they are getting straight A’s in that department.
If you mean the people who blindly go along with whatever ‘conservative’ politicians tell them then never, because of the previous point. There will always be a scapegoat to blame, to keep them mad, to distract from the Billionaires draining their pockets and eroding their rights. Immigrants, leftists, women, minorities, lgbt people… anyone who is different so they can play on these peoples xenophobia.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world
on 29 Aug 12:10
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they are never happy.
that’s the point of being despotic. everyone is your enemy, always and forever.
In his essay, Umberto Eco is correct in his assessment that fascists will never be satisfied until they get rid of all of they hate, and achieve their own absolution and realization of their power fantasies, a world shaped by their warped concepts of purity and ego-driven heroism.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
on 28 Aug 22:56
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
One recent report raised troubling questions about potentially systematic efforts to advance antisemitic and anti-Israel information in Wikipedia articles related to conflicts with the State of Israel.
Of course they’d use the anti-Israel crutch.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 29 Aug 02:40
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Wikipedia has been shit for a long time, and it should be banned as being used as a source for anything serious. There are thousands of recorded, proven cases of incorrect and malicious updates to pages on there. As with most things, it started off great and then went to hell.
Remember - the co-founder of wikipedia says that it has “abandoned neutrality” and has been taken over as a tool to push political agendas by one side.
EightBitBlood@lemmy.world
on 29 Aug 03:34
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Practicing due diligence to make sure Wikipedia’s sources are legit isn’t difficult. You can check the sources listed on every single Wikipedia entry yourself for bias. It’s not like they hide their sources. That alone is what makes it so valuable. Anyone trying to push a narrative can easily see it sourced as bullshit.
Kind of like how the article you linked is a worthless, factless, opinion piece about Wikipedia becoming “woke” due to the feelings of Larry Sanger being hurt. Nothing that article says is based on anything factual, and the only studies mentioned are wildly taken out of context.
Wikipedia let’s me do that analysis for myself, so I don’t get tricked into thinking an obvious piece of propaganda is real.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 29 Aug 03:47
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I agree with you that Wikipedia is good for finding sources and reading and coming to your own conclusions, but that’s not really the point of Wikipedia. If you can’t trust/believe the actual text of the pages and have to go and read every single linked article yourself then it defeats the purpose. It’s like getting cliff notes but having to go and read the full textbooks anyway.
The co-founders opinion is pretty important in the matter.
Sure, but many will cite a news organization’s opinion page as fact. Is this a good reason for any administration to target opinion pages?
The administration is supposed to represent the Constitution, not attack it.
Remember your constitution; particularly the 1st amendment.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 29 Aug 06:08
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You use Wikipedia as a starting step and pivot from there to the cited sources and secondary sources.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 29 Aug 06:48
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Sure, I agree - but that doesn’t change the fact that Wikipedia as anything other than a link aggregator is trash for anything remotely subjective.
antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 29 Aug 07:16
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Wikipedia has been shit for a long time
it started off great and then went to hell
This becomes obviously and extremely dumb once you try to imagine how this “going to hell” actually looks like. What you’re saying is, if you opened a Wikipedia article 15 or 20 years ago, you’d find “great” content, but in the meantime that article has become “shit”. Pure nonsense.
In an another comment you say it’s bad that you have to double check the sources. But when it started, Wikipedia barely used sources at all! Just look at some random articles from the early days and see for yourself. These days an overabundance of sources could well be more of a problem for editors of big article.
There are thousands of recorded, proven cases of incorrect and malicious updates to pages on there.
Thousands? Probably tens, even hundred of thousands! You know how they’re “recorded and proven” most of the time? Through the built-in system that tracks every change since the site was created, and allows editors to check who did what, verify and reverse the bad edits.
The co-founder also said Wikipedia is “broken beyond repair”… back in 2007. Already in 2006 he founded a website that he wanted to compete with WP. Is that before or after your “went to hell” era? My impression is, the guy is just butthurt the project has grown beyond him.
As a relatively active WP editor, I agree that you absolutely shouldn’t take it for granted, and there’s a lot of absolutely frustrating crap on there, and there’s much that one would want to see fixed and improved structurally. But I really can’t tolerate this sort of nonsensical criticism.
I there a technical term (or psychological or like a fallacy) for when someone sees something really good but not perfect and thus believes that the slightest bad thing they detect makes it all totally worthless?
So lets Start our own #Wikipedia? #LibrePedia? yes in German its #Schwarzseher means if someone is pessimistic sees everything negative (basically the opposite of optimist)
Imho #Wikipedia is now used as propaganda tool and they as #LibrePedia need to solve the "who to trust" issue (establish network of trustworthy contributors)
@wordmark@Valmond@FreedomAdvocate Wikipedia is not written by an agency or organisation. It's written by us. We decide what's in it. It's like democracy: You have to work on keeping it, else it gets lost.
One advantage of #Wikipedia is, that it is a central source of information for everyone. If we loose that and everyone has their own source of information without the need of arguing what the truth is, societies gets more fractured.
Wikipedia is already fractured into different languages.
@wordmark@Valmond@FreedomAdvocate I agree that the mechanisms of Wikipedia to discuss, to argue and to find truth are not good. In the end it's an old website that hasn't changed much. The biggest innovation was WikiData, which isn't used as much as it should be in the Wikipedia. So what we need is a system that works differently, but as centrally and openly as Wikipedia. We don't need another instance, where just a different group of people writes the texts.
it should be banned as being used as a source for anything serious.
no one uses it as a source for anything “serious” anyway. unless your definition of “serious” includes social media debates. Anyone who has ever been in school has surely had a teacher tell them “wikipedia is not a source”.
Remember - the co-founder of wikipedia says that it has “abandoned neutrality” and has been taken over as a tool to push political agendas by one side.
so what? he’s also anti vax. why is the co-founder’s opinion on this any more relevant than anyone else’s? the guy is not involved with wikipedia anymore.
you could also frame this as saying wikipedia stopped trying to maintain a false balance. if evidence on a topic supports one side more than the other, both sides should not be given equal representation in the article.
OboTheHobo@ttrpg.network
on 29 Aug 03:29
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Fyi everyone: you can download the entirety of Wikipedia yourself from kiwix and it’s only about 50gb for the whole thing, 100 with all images.
turdburglar@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Aug 05:00
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got a link or instructions? i’ll do it tomorrow as the next step on my self hosting journey.
Download zim files from library.kiwix.org via direct download, torrent or magnet.
turdburglar@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Aug 05:51
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thank yewwww.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
on 29 Aug 07:47
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There is also apps like Aard2 that allow you to have all of wikipedia (no images duh) offline on your phone. github.com/itkach/aard2-android
Its a general dictionary type app so it supports things other than wikipedia too. There is a link to the dictionary files in the readme on that github, but it can be confusing.
The downside to this is that i (you?) often want very recent fresh info from wikipedia and this obviously doesnt work well for that because it doesnt support updating in a way where you only have to download the changes. If somebody knows of an app that supports this, where you only have to download a couple MB of changes every day to keep the entire thing up to date let me know.
turdburglar@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Aug 07:52
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sweet.
alas, internet friend, i’m old enuf to have had printed (gasp) encyclopedias purchased new in 1985, so i can cope with static data just fine.
i am curious, nonetheless - i see these are dated pretty recently. are these ftps updated with some kind of regularity so i can continue to dl them up until all knowledge gets banned for being too inclusive and woke and something something?
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
on 29 Aug 08:31
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Always glad to share cool projects :)
If you go up to the parent directory of the links i sent it shows the last couple versions (20250801, 20250601, 20250201, 20241201) so it gets updated every few months yes. I believe the URL has stayed the same for the past decade or so too, so it should be fairly easy to automate that even.
turdburglar@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Aug 08:42
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you’re a champion among lemmings.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
on 29 Aug 08:44
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thank you my friend :)
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 29 Aug 05:51
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it will be out of date in an hour
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 29 Aug 06:05
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Doesnt matter really if you have nothing at one point.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
on 29 Aug 06:21
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I used my old Grollier’s Multimedia Encyclopedia CD for years.
SulaymanF@lemmy.world
on 29 Aug 06:53
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Most of Wikipedia articles hardly change over time. The entry for potassium for example, or Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act. The controversial or recent current events topics get most updates.
Any entry that is changing hourly (or even monthly) is probably not a topic you should be relying on an encyclopedia entry for anyway. Use the tool for what the tool is good for.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world
on 29 Aug 13:25
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That’s highly dependent on how many, or which, languages you download, I think.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org
on 29 Aug 07:22
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Ever since Covid19 I heard people saying “Wikipedia is not objective”. Initially, a hard argument to go against, but my ultimate answer is this:
Encyclopedia Britannica is not objective either. No *pedia is, online or otherwise. Nothing is. And still Wikipedia is one of the best options out there, not lastly because of how it’s organised. [That said, it does have - usually right-wing - strong bias in places, esp. non-English content which would need more eyes.]
I’m not surprised this is now mainstream MAGA speak.
I just hope Wikipedia is still international enough so that its content is ultimately out of the US government’s reach.
They already have Conservapedia (click and weep), let them enjoy and contribute to it!
Decided to try one of the less political articles to see what it’d look like.
One expert observes that “every school shooter has been heavily immersed in violent first person shooter games.”[1] Many bright futures of young men are destroyed by video game habits, and video games even cause harmful increases in blood sugar in players.[2]
Video games are addictive, train young mass murderers, and promote liberal talking points or ideas.
That’s one of the first things it says. Then it goes on to talk about promoting homosexuality and some more bullshit. Good stuff…
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org
on 29 Aug 18:40
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Yeah they have those “favorite links” or some such on their main page, it’s a cringe fest.
At least now they have (some) sources in their articles, that’s relatively new. Still, I 'm not sure I even want to know what those are…
Video games are addictive, train young mass murderers, and promote liberal talking points or ideas.
I feel one of those is not like the others. Not that the other 2 make more sense.
No firewall, you’ll just have to log into the Internet via a federal ID and speeds will be cut in half because every packet gets copied to a government server for evidence against you-- I mean, to protect the children.
rozodru@piefed.social
on 29 Aug 11:04
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well it's already happening. look what recently happened in Mississippi with age verification.
protip if you're American and you ask "how long until America has such and such" chances are, 9 times out of 10, it's already happening or has happened and you're just not aware.
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 29 Aug 11:16
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The states are the future of Federal law. And all things considered, yeah.
We have the OSA here in the UK which requires age verification. I connected to a VPN server in America and got age gated because the server was in Texas. So much for “land of the free”.
I do tech support on a global company, and some customers have started to demand their cases not to be readable for our usa based colleagues, nor the shared info hosted on usa clouds. So that wall is somewhat already there.
Canadian here. Most of our data is stored by American companies, even if they’re physically located in Canada. And as Microsoft recently admitted, American law supercedes our data and privacy rights. So effectively the US has ownership of our government, education, and health records.
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 29 Aug 14:48
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Understandable. I kinda wish the UK would copy the EU’s move for digital sovereignty and invest in FOSS/Self Hosted shit but the OSA has kinda made me a bit worried about that. You could get it past the Flag Shaggers easy though.
We’ve had problems with our politics for as long as politics has existed. It’s a miracle we have anything nice, and there have been people undermining and trying to claw back anything nice we have on Day 2+ of us getting it.
Corelli_III@midwest.social
on 29 Aug 16:20
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downloaded a backup yesterday
everyone with sense and 160GB should do the same
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 29 Aug 16:36
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There is an app called Kiwix if you use Linux (I think it’s a flatpak) or WSL for Windows! :) It lets you download different languages and sizes. I just learned you can use graphical apps for WSL now, wew.
Edgarallenpwn@midwest.social
on 29 Aug 18:36
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Could I use this to set a monthly job that runs and updates my local copy? Does it download/update changes made since my last sync or would it just redownload and replace the previous months in this situation?
fossilesque@mander.xyz
on 29 Aug 18:40
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It doesn’t work like that (yet), but it is the easiest way to keep an offline copy. They have more info about this here: kiwix.org/en/frequently-asked-questions/
Edgarallenpwn@midwest.social
on 29 Aug 19:14
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Thanks! Finishing up the work day but will take a closer look soon
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 29 Aug 19:48
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I just downloaded the 23G file or whatever. If there is a way to checksum portions of it and run a script against the online checksum to detect differences, that might be one way. The only problem is that it is now being modified for political purposes. This version might be the best we will ever get. I almost wish we could download a pre-2020 version. It would eliminate both the slop and any influence that came after the sudden wealth gap increase that occurred during the pandemic.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 29 Aug 19:43
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That is cool WSL accomodates graphical apps, but after the recall Windows feature that snapshots everything, I’m about to remove Windows from my last computer that still has it. I really just need to figure out if my Steam save files will transfer to Linux since my Elden Ring character is level 220 or something crazy. I can’t even use WSL at work any longer because security locked us out of admin permissions. Boooo!
They absolutely should, if not, you can probably run it in a VM shame box. I have a little windows set up on mine for some specialist apps. When games are installed via Proton on Linux, they usually are set up to mimic the file structure for windows.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 29 Aug 22:28
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I am running Arch with Hyprland, and I have not had any issues with games yet. I have not even tried Proton yet. Maybe it is because they are supported on Linux. I can not remember though.
Proton works just as well as native, so even if the saves are not compatible with the native version, you’ll be able to copy the files into the proton structure.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online
on 29 Aug 17:56
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Just 160gb? I will get a USB and back up the whole thing.
Corelli_III@midwest.social
on 29 Aug 18:08
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25ish for your language of choice, 130 something for media files
very manageable, grab that copy
rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Aug 17:06
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The poor getting knowledge for free?! This is America!!!
George Carlin does a great bit on this. To the point that your second sentence was almost a direct quote. I thought you were about to make references.
humanoidchaos@lemmy.cif.su
on 29 Aug 20:48
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Not bias, but I was surprised to find out how Wikipedia is censoring information surrounding ChrisChan.
All of the articles mentioning him in English just say he’s an internet personality, and his English Wikipedia page has been removed.
That kind of censorship doesn’t sit will with me. What else are they keeping from us?
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online
on 29 Aug 21:24
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These people know the CWCwiki exists, right? I mean I was obsessed with CWC a little over 10 years ago, too, but I have long since lost interest in the whole matter.
humanoidchaos@lemmy.cif.su
on 29 Aug 21:33
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That doesn’t make it ok.
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz
on 29 Aug 21:53
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This is to stop a cyberbullying campaign against a disabled person
That kind of censorship doesn’t sit will with me. What else are they keeping from us?
probably other things to harrass individuals with?
humanoidchaos@lemmy.cif.su
on 29 Aug 22:00
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Yeah, no.
It’s still censorship even if the person in question wants it to be censored.
People shouldn’t get to dictate whether or not wikipedia articles are made of them.
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz
on 29 Aug 22:51
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If I made a wikipedia page showing your social security and banking information would your stance hold true?
humanoidchaos@lemmy.cif.su
on 29 Aug 22:58
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Wikipedia already doesn’t allow that, so your question is pointless.
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz
on 30 Aug 01:55
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for the same reason they don’t give resources to blatant harassment campaigns.
both are against the rules and both are censorship for nearly identical reasons
humanoidchaos@lemmy.cif.su
on 30 Aug 02:41
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You’re moving goalposts, but ok.
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz
on 30 Aug 03:35
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My point was that censorship is valid when it is to prevent harming individuals/fraud/bullying
my goalpost did not move at all.
you are being a hypocrite by saying it was okay not to have that on wikipedia because it was already banned
you should oppose that ban on the basis of censorship, no?
humanoidchaos@lemmy.cif.su
on 30 Aug 12:10
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Gonna block you now.
Some people just love to argue no matter what, lol.
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They’re gonna try to break everything so AI looks competent, because they can’t make AI competent…
Maybe the AI doomers are right.
Random stretch is random
Why do you think they just grabbed 10% of Intel?
One of the biggest criticism of AI summaries is you could just look at Wikipedia…
So you crush Wikipedia and then people can’t say AI is useless.
It ain’t a stretch, it’s basic logical reasoning, can you not see how that would work or do you not understand how trump could do something as unethical and destroy a free resource to make a buck?
Oh I totally understand that trump would do that, I just think you’re reaching because you have started from the position that “AI is bad mmmkay”
This has nothing to do with AI and everything to do with their fascist attempts to rewrite history
👆 mm hmm
They’re butthurt their changes to Wikipedia about Israel got removed for no citations.
They’re butthurt their changes to Wikipedia in general got removed for no citations
Reality has a notable liberal bias so not surprising.
*leftist bias
Why not? Fascists hate nothing more than truth.
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
Our ace in the hole is history, we know already how this story ends. Stop letting them turn the damn pages.
Twas but a matter of time
Anyone know where to get a pre-inauguration copy of the Wikipedia corpus? I wanna pull that down onto my NAS, but didn’t think to do it at the time.
Maybe you can find something here: https://archive.org/details/wikimediadownloads
https://download.kiwix.org/zim/wikipedia/
Chuck https://download.kiwix.org/zim/wikipedia/wikipedia_en_all_maxi_2025-08.zim.torrent in the Wayback machine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download has a full list of various sources. Not all links include historical archives, though
Quick question, honest question…
At what point are the right happy?
Because the left will be happy when everybody has equal rights, and a high standard of living for everyone.
So, if that’s the lefts benchmark of a great society, what’s the right fighting towards? Money? Power? Control?
Then what?
When is America “great again”?
Because they’ve been pushing that slogan since the 80s. What’s the endgame here?
Because from where I’m sitting, there is no endgame. Nothing will ever make them happy. Nothing will ever be good enough. So what the fuck is the point?
Most citizen level republicans generally believe what they want is good for people. They generally believe women aren’t capable and must be cared for. Or atleast deluded themselves into thinking to have and excuse for their lust. But either way they truly believe they are the good guys. They also believe in some instances the only way to help someone is to let them experience challenge and over come it. To them the only logical choice when presented with suffering is to over come it. Even if they have not had to suffer themselves so they don’t really understand what they are talking about. Most the time people are just stupid and don’t realize they won’t get what they want (generally the same thing as the left a happy well fed population). However there are certain more malevolence in some people at the higher levels of the movement which use the hatred and fear of the right to their own advantage.
Most of their ideas stem from fear of something and most the people in charge benefit from stocking their fears.
I know a lot of right wingers and have successfully brought a few back to reality. Most they time they are just confused.
They will never be happy.
@Lost_My_Mind @return2ozma when their toilets are of pure gold while the rest of the world is kaputt .... nah not even then because living in a gated community is like golden prison
They can’t be happy. The whole platform is to take the country back to before all of society started conspiring against the poor republican voter.
The big lie is that the dog can never catch the car because it isn’t trans people or immigrants or minorities that are oppressing republicans. It’s their politicians, the corruption that is ingrained into the system, and the rich that fight to keep the system rigged that are oppressing them and clearly republicans will never fix that
Pretty much this. The moment they actual reach end-game they’ll tear themselves apart. Fascism requires an enemy to survive. If there’s none available, they’ll turn inwards and cannibalize.
I think they are trying to go back to before they were grown up and had to deal with adult issues. They idolize their innocent childhood and some how associated that as the time when America was great. They find it really confusing that the child’s perspective of that time window was flawed. They also find it confusing that different age conservatives all imagine a different time window for when life was good.
The very rich will never be happy. If a billion dollars doesn’t make them happy, what the fuck will? They just want the ability to impose whatever shitty will they have upon everyone and because it will hurt a lot of people they are constantly afraid and that fear leads to them doing even more horrible things.
It’s a feedback loop that pushes them to do worse and worse things.
I don’t know but I’m guessing there is a MASS GENOCIDE involved at some point.
Mass genocide? As opposed to what? Minor genocide? A genocide is a genocide, there are no adjectives to it.
So all genocides are the same? What a dimwit comment.
Your’s is the typical defense of genocide-enabling Zionists and their allies from feddit.org in defense of Isn’treal: “The Holocaust was different! How dare you compare it to the Armenian genocide, or the Rohingya genocide or what is happening today in Gaza?”
A genocide is a genocide. It already implies mass.
And your the one only seeing things in black and white so hard you’re not able to see out of your basement.
Can’t have a bigger or more important genocide than yours eh.
The murder was atrocious. You: Nooo all murders means the same thing!!!
What about the Russians invading Ukraine? What about the youghurs? What do you know about tianmen square?
It’s fine, keep going. Now that you have outed yourself, I’ll just tag you with the Zionist flag in voyager and move on.
Oh no please don’t!!
😂🤣😂
“youghurs”
To what end? Are you putting together a tier list? They should all be equally admonished to the highest order, that’s the point.
If you just want to know if “it is” a genocide, then ok, but IMO you should study them, understand the underlying reasons, and why not come up with ways to lower or even outright prevent them?
By your definition, there have never been any genocides. Jewish people still exist.
We’re already at that point
Extremists are never satisfied, they always want more. They are basically stuck on a stupid loop and just jump to the next demand when they get what they want.
We even have a special name for the current crew. They are called white extremists.
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Holy shit. I’m bad at telling if AI is obvious sometimes. Is this real? It has swastikas (obviously) but it also has the american flag.
Is this 1930s? Or 2020s?
God. The fact I even have to ask is in itself a reflection of where we are as a society I guess.
There was a pro-nazi movement in the U.S. in the 1930’s. They had a nazi rally in Madison Square Garden. The nazis went underground for the most part after the U.S. entered WW2.
NS Fascism had several ties to the USA, not least Hitler himself admiring and copying tons of ideas. Esp. their Eugenics movement.
So, what I mean is common roots before 1933 and initially strong support after he got to power.
I’d like to back this up with a suitable article but I can’t find one rn.
Eugenics, segregation, Ford’s assembly-line technique, and manifest destiny.
Very real, as the other comment says. Nazism was big in the US in the yeas before WW2
Many “great” pictures can be found online
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And in the UK.
It’s the 48 Star American flag, thus it’s the German American Bund in the 30s. To be fair to the literal Nazis pictured it’s before the holocaust was discovered. It’s not AI, it appears in this 2017 article: www.theatlantic.com/photo/2017/06/…/529185/
Also, they want streets full of Kluxers.
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“ITS DANKESCHÖN VERDAMMT! YOU ARE BUTCHERING MY BEAUTIFUL LANGUAGE!” - wolfenstein
Honestly I wouldn’t expect Kluxers and normal old world fascists to understand each other. One of them is about race, the other is usually about cultural and ideological divisions. Even if the latter use race as one excuse to murder someone en masse, it’s not the core of their ideology, the core is that they should be able and need to practice to murder someone en masse. While American racists are something extremely weird.
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ENDLÖSUNG
Once they’ve dismantled all progress made towards equality, and they control all the resources again.
People think this is a new fight, but it’s really the same one that we’ve been fighting forever. We just got too comfortable, and thought we couldn’t lose so much progress so quickly.
Fascism, as an ideology, is utterly fascinating to look at sometimes. It strikes so many wildly different mental chords that you can get lost trying to understand the minds of its believers and followers without even trying to, all while just drinking your morning coffee.
To answer this, it is utterly critical to mention that Fascism, as an ideology, is fundamentally predicated upon the idea that the Fascist “In-Group” is better than whatever “Out-Group” they are focused on at any given moment (Jewish people, LGBT+, Black people, Mexicans, etc.). To that end, they will stop at NOTHING to crush, oppress, exterminate, and ultimately obliterate that Out-Group completely, all the while screaming to their fellows and to anyone that will listen that the Out-Group is simultaneously infinitely weak and easy to crush, as well as insurmountably strong and impossible to resist. This contradiction allows them to drive themselves into a frenzy, by pissing each other off, as well as draw in new recruits who hear about the Out-Group as “weak” and decide they want to get in on it. Meanwhile, anyone who thinks deeper about this contradiction more easily writes off their movement as sloppy, reactionary, and ultimately harmless, since they clearly don’t know anything, letting them amass real public support under the radar for DECADES; we’ve seen this in America, with Fox News doing tons of heavy lifting for almost 50 years now in the Fascist PR department. It WORKS.
Once the In and Out-Groups are established, and public support starts to amass, the Fascists move to take public office, often starting in smaller, local elections that nobody runs for, elections that they can get a bunch of their buddies in the In-Group to vote for. Once they achieve public office, they try to continue ascending the public ranks to further their group’s political legitimacy, often forming alliances and coalitions with other right-wing and conservative groups to garner additional support in the legislature. For a historical example, the actual Nazis did this in Weimar Germany, starting as a fringe group in local elections, slowly climbing the ranks and gathering support, and ultimately working with other conservatives to seize power. Once sufficiently embedded in the system, they start purging members who aren’t sufficiently zealous and loyal to the In-Group, now a Political Party, and continue raging about the Out-Group, but on a state-side, or even national scale.
At this point, several things can happen. If there isn’t strong enough leadership in the party, it can splinter into a bunch of factions that hate each other, but still work together because they hate the Out-Group more. If there IS strong leadership in the Party, then they tend to make a mad grab for power, and consolidate it as much as they can. We saw this with Jan 6, Germany saw it with The Night of The Long Knives. Should this fail, the whole Party may very well self-destruct from infighting.
Now, you may ask, “what does any of this have to do with my question???” Remember, the entire time they’ve been climbing the political ladder, they’ve been raging at the Out-Group constantly, whipping themselves ever higher into a frenzy, garnering more and more support as they gather legitimacy in local elections. And now that they’ve made their mad grab for power, should it succeed, they can actually ACT on all their rhetoric that more rational, level-headed people wrote off at the beginning.
It starts with outright oppression, the boot of the state on the neck of the masses, usually focused on the Out-Group, but everyone feels it. Then it escalates, usually into mass-confinement and deportation of the Out-Group, while the oppression on everyone else gets worse. But as the rhetoric never ends, so too must the escalation; Extermination. Once the suffering and deportation of the Out-Group isn’t enough, always they turn to extermination. And once the Out-Group is gone…
Well, they’ll just find a new one. And another. And another. Over and over, until there’s only one group left, after all the purging and expulsion and deportation and death - the In-Group. But they won’t stop there. No, they keep going, denoting various internal factions as the Out-Group, targets to purge and exterminate. Constantly, accelerating as the numbers get smaller, until the whole Party explodes.
So. To answer your question, the Right will NEVER be happy, no matter how hard or how many Out-Group members they purge and exterminate. Because Fascism doesn’t have an endpoint where the In-Group “”“wins”“”. The entire ideology is fundamentally predicated on that singular idea, that the In-
Thank you for articulating that so well.
In short, it’s a suicidal cult.
When it’s stripped down to its bare essentials, yeah. They’re a cult founded on internalized hatred and externalized rage; if there’s no external target for that rage, it turns inward, and the whole thing self-destructs.
Happiness is not shared as a goal. For some people, happiness is so distant, the only thing achievable is to make everyone else equally misérable. Think Fundie Christians talking about the Valley of Tears.
They are already happy. The point of all this is to keep people ignorant and the working class divided- and they are getting straight A’s in that department.
If you mean the people who blindly go along with whatever ‘conservative’ politicians tell them then never, because of the previous point. There will always be a scapegoat to blame, to keep them mad, to distract from the Billionaires draining their pockets and eroding their rights. Immigrants, leftists, women, minorities, lgbt people… anyone who is different so they can play on these peoples xenophobia.
they are never happy.
that’s the point of being despotic. everyone is your enemy, always and forever.
In his essay, Umberto Eco is correct in his assessment that fascists will never be satisfied until they get rid of all of they hate, and achieve their own absolution and realization of their power fantasies, a world shaped by their warped concepts of purity and ego-driven heroism.
Of course they’d use the anti-Israel crutch.
Wikipedia has been shit for a long time, and it should be banned as being used as a source for anything serious. There are thousands of recorded, proven cases of incorrect and malicious updates to pages on there. As with most things, it started off great and then went to hell.
Remember - the co-founder of wikipedia says that it has “abandoned neutrality” and has been taken over as a tool to push political agendas by one side.
londondaily.com/wikipedia-co-founder-larry-sanger….
Practicing due diligence to make sure Wikipedia’s sources are legit isn’t difficult. You can check the sources listed on every single Wikipedia entry yourself for bias. It’s not like they hide their sources. That alone is what makes it so valuable. Anyone trying to push a narrative can easily see it sourced as bullshit.
Kind of like how the article you linked is a worthless, factless, opinion piece about Wikipedia becoming “woke” due to the feelings of Larry Sanger being hurt. Nothing that article says is based on anything factual, and the only studies mentioned are wildly taken out of context.
Wikipedia let’s me do that analysis for myself, so I don’t get tricked into thinking an obvious piece of propaganda is real.
I agree with you that Wikipedia is good for finding sources and reading and coming to your own conclusions, but that’s not really the point of Wikipedia. If you can’t trust/believe the actual text of the pages and have to go and read every single linked article yourself then it defeats the purpose. It’s like getting cliff notes but having to go and read the full textbooks anyway.
The co-founders opinion is pretty important in the matter.
It’s always been a jumping-off point, not a primary source. It’s still fantastic that way.
Unfortunately that’s not how it’s used. It’s used as a primary source most of the time even on here.
That’s the issue of the user.
Sure, but many will cite a news organization’s opinion page as fact. Is this a good reason for any administration to target opinion pages?
The administration is supposed to represent the Constitution, not attack it.
Remember your constitution; particularly the 1st amendment.
You use Wikipedia as a starting step and pivot from there to the cited sources and secondary sources.
Sure, I agree - but that doesn’t change the fact that Wikipedia as anything other than a link aggregator is trash for anything remotely subjective.
This becomes obviously and extremely dumb once you try to imagine how this “going to hell” actually looks like. What you’re saying is, if you opened a Wikipedia article 15 or 20 years ago, you’d find “great” content, but in the meantime that article has become “shit”. Pure nonsense.
In an another comment you say it’s bad that you have to double check the sources. But when it started, Wikipedia barely used sources at all! Just look at some random articles from the early days and see for yourself. These days an overabundance of sources could well be more of a problem for editors of big article.
Thousands? Probably tens, even hundred of thousands! You know how they’re “recorded and proven” most of the time? Through the built-in system that tracks every change since the site was created, and allows editors to check who did what, verify and reverse the bad edits.
The co-founder also said Wikipedia is “broken beyond repair”… back in 2007. Already in 2006 he founded a website that he wanted to compete with WP. Is that before or after your “went to hell” era? My impression is, the guy is just butthurt the project has grown beyond him.
As a relatively active WP editor, I agree that you absolutely shouldn’t take it for granted, and there’s a lot of absolutely frustrating crap on there, and there’s much that one would want to see fixed and improved structurally. But I really can’t tolerate this sort of nonsensical criticism.
I there a technical term (or psychological or like a fallacy) for when someone sees something really good but not perfect and thus believes that the slightest bad thing they detect makes it all totally worthless?
@Valmond @FreedomAdvocate
So lets Start our own #Wikipedia? #LibrePedia? yes in German its #Schwarzseher means if someone is pessimistic sees everything negative (basically the opposite of optimist)
Imho #Wikipedia is now used as propaganda tool and they as #LibrePedia need to solve the "who to trust" issue (establish network of trustworthy contributors)
@wordmark @Valmond @FreedomAdvocate Wikipedia is not written by an agency or organisation. It's written by us. We decide what's in it. It's like democracy: You have to work on keeping it, else it gets lost.
One advantage of #Wikipedia is, that it is a central source of information for everyone. If we loose that and everyone has their own source of information without the need of arguing what the truth is, societies gets more fractured.
Wikipedia is already fractured into different languages.
@wordmark @Valmond @FreedomAdvocate I agree that the mechanisms of Wikipedia to discuss, to argue and to find truth are not good. In the end it's an old website that hasn't changed much. The biggest innovation was WikiData, which isn't used as much as it should be in the Wikipedia.
So what we need is a system that works differently, but as centrally and openly as Wikipedia. We don't need another instance, where just a different group of people writes the texts.
@duco@norden.social @wordmark@mas.to @Valmond@lemmy.world @FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
The one Thing that Wikipedia absolutly needs is: much more contributors. The second most needed Thing is even more contributors.
@Life_is @duco @Valmond @FreedomAdvocate tried that was horrible
yes, it’s called the nirvana fallacy.
no one uses it as a source for anything “serious” anyway. unless your definition of “serious” includes social media debates. Anyone who has ever been in school has surely had a teacher tell them “wikipedia is not a source”.
so what? he’s also anti vax. why is the co-founder’s opinion on this any more relevant than anyone else’s? the guy is not involved with wikipedia anymore.
you could also frame this as saying wikipedia stopped trying to maintain a false balance. if evidence on a topic supports one side more than the other, both sides should not be given equal representation in the article.
Fyi everyone: you can download the entirety of Wikipedia yourself from kiwix and it’s only about 50gb for the whole thing, 100 with all images.
got a link or instructions? i’ll do it tomorrow as the next step on my self hosting journey.
Docker setup instructions: github.com/kiwix/kiwix-tools/docker/server/README.md
Download zim files from library.kiwix.org via direct download, torrent or magnet.
thank yewwww.
There is also apps like Aard2 that allow you to have all of wikipedia (no images duh) offline on your phone. github.com/itkach/aard2-android
Its a general dictionary type app so it supports things other than wikipedia too. There is a link to the dictionary files in the readme on that github, but it can be confusing.
If you have 23GB of space and your storage isnt fat32 formatted: …halifax.rwth-aachen.de/…/enwiki20250801-slob/
If it is fat32 then you gotta download it in 4GB chunks: …rwth-aachen.de/…/enwiki20250801-vol-slob/
The downside to this is that i (you?) often want very recent fresh info from wikipedia and this obviously doesnt work well for that because it doesnt support updating in a way where you only have to download the changes. If somebody knows of an app that supports this, where you only have to download a couple MB of changes every day to keep the entire thing up to date let me know.
sweet.
alas, internet friend, i’m old enuf to have had printed (gasp) encyclopedias purchased new in 1985, so i can cope with static data just fine.
i am curious, nonetheless - i see these are dated pretty recently. are these ftps updated with some kind of regularity so i can continue to dl them up until all knowledge gets banned for being too inclusive and woke and something something?
Always glad to share cool projects :)
If you go up to the parent directory of the links i sent it shows the last couple versions (20250801, 20250601, 20250201, 20241201) so it gets updated every few months yes. I believe the URL has stayed the same for the past decade or so too, so it should be fairly easy to automate that even.
you’re a champion among lemmings.
thank you my friend :)
it will be out of date in an hour
Doesnt matter really if you have nothing at one point.
I used my old Grollier’s Multimedia Encyclopedia CD for years.
Most of Wikipedia articles hardly change over time. The entry for potassium for example, or Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act. The controversial or recent current events topics get most updates.
Any entry that is changing hourly (or even monthly) is probably not a topic you should be relying on an encyclopedia entry for anyway. Use the tool for what the tool is good for.
That’s highly dependent on how many, or which, languages you download, I think.
This is true, I was referring to english wikipedia.
FUCK THESE GUYS
Or, as GOP says, “Fuck your feelings”
“we’ve come to realize that people knowing stuff is a real problem for our agenda.”
“Reality has a well-known liberal bias.”
Liberty does too.
Ever since Covid19 I heard people saying “Wikipedia is not objective”. Initially, a hard argument to go against, but my ultimate answer is this:
Encyclopedia Britannica is not objective either. No *pedia is, online or otherwise. Nothing is. And still Wikipedia is one of the best options out there, not lastly because of how it’s organised. [That said, it does have - usually right-wing - strong bias in places, esp. non-English content which would need more eyes.]
I’m not surprised this is now mainstream MAGA speak.
I just hope Wikipedia is still international enough so that its content is ultimately out of the US government’s reach.
They already have Conservapedia (click and weep), let them enjoy and contribute to it!
Decided to try one of the less political articles to see what it’d look like.
That’s one of the first things it says. Then it goes on to talk about promoting homosexuality and some more bullshit. Good stuff…
Yeah they have those “favorite links” or some such on their main page, it’s a cringe fest.
At least now they have (some) sources in their articles, that’s relatively new. Still, I 'm not sure I even want to know what those are…
I feel one of those is not like the others. Not that the other 2 make more sense.
Holy fuck that was so much worse than I imagined.
why doesn’t wikipedia just move out of the US?
How long is it going to be until America has a great firewall ala China.
What are we, a bunch of Asians?
No firewall, you’ll just have to log into the Internet via a federal ID and speeds will be cut in half because every packet gets copied to a government server for evidence against you-- I mean, to protect the children.
well it's already happening. look what recently happened in Mississippi with age verification.
protip if you're American and you ask "how long until America has such and such" chances are, 9 times out of 10, it's already happening or has happened and you're just not aware.
The states are the future of Federal law. And all things considered, yeah.
We have the OSA here in the UK which requires age verification. I connected to a VPN server in America and got age gated because the server was in Texas. So much for “land of the free”.
Dude, Texas sucks.
Yeah, I gathered.
“Yo dog, I heard you like freedom so I gave you freedom from your freedom!”
I do tech support on a global company, and some customers have started to demand their cases not to be readable for our usa based colleagues, nor the shared info hosted on usa clouds. So that wall is somewhat already there.
Canadian here. Most of our data is stored by American companies, even if they’re physically located in Canada. And as Microsoft recently admitted, American law supercedes our data and privacy rights. So effectively the US has ownership of our government, education, and health records.
Understandable. I kinda wish the UK would copy the EU’s move for digital sovereignty and invest in FOSS/Self Hosted shit but the OSA has kinda made me a bit worried about that. You could get it past the Flag Shaggers easy though.
Well, silver lining is now liberals might actually check to see if Wikipedia is getting it’s claims from right wing pundits.
I wonder if they’re going to investigate conservapedia for bias.
Sir you seem to have a bias for presenting unbiased facts. This simply can not be.
Hey no fair, the US is just copying us! (UK)
We targeted Wikipedia first recently waaaaa
Are you guys having problems with your politics? I heard COVID vaccines is not free for everyone.
We’ve had problems with our politics for as long as politics has existed. It’s a miracle we have anything nice, and there have been people undermining and trying to claw back anything nice we have on Day 2+ of us getting it.
downloaded a backup yesterday
everyone with sense and 160GB should do the same
How?
en.m.wikipedia.org/…/Wikipedia:Database_download
Cool. I dl’d it. Thanks.
There’s an article here on how to utilize Wikipedia offline, and you can look under the “Where do I get the dumps?” section for links to downloads.
en.wikipedia.org/…/Wikipedia:Database_download
damn look how correct and helpful these mfs are
There is an app called Kiwix if you use Linux (I think it’s a flatpak) or WSL for Windows! :) It lets you download different languages and sizes. I just learned you can use graphical apps for WSL now, wew.
Could I use this to set a monthly job that runs and updates my local copy? Does it download/update changes made since my last sync or would it just redownload and replace the previous months in this situation?
It doesn’t work like that (yet), but it is the easiest way to keep an offline copy. They have more info about this here: kiwix.org/en/frequently-asked-questions/
Thanks! Finishing up the work day but will take a closer look soon
I just downloaded the 23G file or whatever. If there is a way to checksum portions of it and run a script against the online checksum to detect differences, that might be one way. The only problem is that it is now being modified for political purposes. This version might be the best we will ever get. I almost wish we could download a pre-2020 version. It would eliminate both the slop and any influence that came after the sudden wealth gap increase that occurred during the pandemic.
That is cool WSL accomodates graphical apps, but after the recall Windows feature that snapshots everything, I’m about to remove Windows from my last computer that still has it. I really just need to figure out if my Steam save files will transfer to Linux since my Elden Ring character is level 220 or something crazy. I can’t even use WSL at work any longer because security locked us out of admin permissions. Boooo!
They absolutely should, if not, you can probably run it in a VM shame box. I have a little windows set up on mine for some specialist apps. When games are installed via Proton on Linux, they usually are set up to mimic the file structure for windows.
I am running Arch with Hyprland, and I have not had any issues with games yet. I have not even tried Proton yet. Maybe it is because they are supported on Linux. I can not remember though.
Proton works just as well as native, so even if the saves are not compatible with the native version, you’ll be able to copy the files into the proton structure.
Just 160gb? I will get a USB and back up the whole thing.
25ish for your language of choice, 130 something for media files
very manageable, grab that copy
The poor getting knowledge for free?! This is America!!!
MAGA = Make Americans Gormless Assholes
MAGAt morons really hate facts…
already have it all downloaded
They’re really against anything nice that can be achieved through cooperation, aren’t they?
They doing it to encourage offline cooperation /s
Or education. They absolutely hate education.
100% this. They don’t want educated people. And the news/media that does exist they want to control.
George Carlin does a great bit on this. To the point that your second sentence was almost a direct quote. I thought you were about to make references.
Not bias, but I was surprised to find out how Wikipedia is censoring information surrounding ChrisChan.
All of the articles mentioning him in English just say he’s an internet personality, and his English Wikipedia page has been removed.
That kind of censorship doesn’t sit will with me. What else are they keeping from us?
These people know the CWCwiki exists, right? I mean I was obsessed with CWC a little over 10 years ago, too, but I have long since lost interest in the whole matter.
That doesn’t make it ok.
This is to stop a cyberbullying campaign against a disabled person
probably other things to harrass individuals with?
Yeah, no.
It’s still censorship even if the person in question wants it to be censored.
People shouldn’t get to dictate whether or not wikipedia articles are made of them.
If I made a wikipedia page showing your social security and banking information would your stance hold true?
Wikipedia already doesn’t allow that, so your question is pointless.
for the same reason they don’t give resources to blatant harassment campaigns.
both are against the rules and both are censorship for nearly identical reasons
You’re moving goalposts, but ok.
My point was that censorship is valid when it is to prevent harming individuals/fraud/bullying
my goalpost did not move at all.
you are being a hypocrite by saying it was okay not to have that on wikipedia because it was already banned
you should oppose that ban on the basis of censorship, no?
Gonna block you now.
Some people just love to argue no matter what, lol.
Republicans would be upset about Wikipedia being censored if they knew how to read.