It is Windows…

Gone in favor of a less useful interface Powershell commands. Fantastic!

No. Don’t worry, they moved the controls to the edge browser! Isn’t that great 😃? 👍👍👍.

This will bring so many people to Linux and will force so many others to start their own OSes.

I honestly wouldn’t mind the new interface if it at least has all the options and functionality from the control panel, but it doesn’t - there’s so much functionality you can only access via control panel

They can just make an AI called “Control” that will handle all the settings for everyone.

WTF why did I misread your comment as “Chris Parnell”

yessssssssssssssssss

Too many specialized companies still make Windows-only software, e.g. chip vendors.

I don’t understand linux. I have a raspberry pi that I haven’t used in 2 years because I did an update all, which caused the fan to stop working. Which in turn mezns I can’t use the thing, for fear it overheats. But I spent 20 days all day every day, just trying to figure out how to turn the fan on.

If I can’t turn the fan on, and reinstalled the fan countless times, pouring hundreds of hours into something so simple, I’m not going to understand the OS.

On the opposite end of that, no way in hell I’m upgrading to windows 10 or 11.

And I’m not rich enough for a mac.

So, Windows 7 forever!

we ride or die windows for workgroups in this house dawg

For all I know it might be turned off. From like 10 years ago.

I don’t think feature parity is the only problem here. Power users need information density and quick reactivity, two things that the new settings – with their huge buttons and useless animations – dearly lack.

I wonder if there would be a way to “embed” those old panel applets into the new settings somehow.

I don’t think that the PM is wrong. They absolutely can get rid of the control panel. It’s the user who will suffer ✌

And not to mention the custom control panel applets hanging around out there from who-knows-what vendors.

AMD FirePro and Catalyst users are going to probably stay on an older version of the OS, considering most of those users are going to be educational institutions, engineering workshops, makerspaces/hackerspaces etc.

Can’t think of any other vendor products that integrated quite as much into the legacy control panel area

Right, I forgot, MS doesn’t want you to have control what programs are doing or how your computer works. Corporate way or…linux.

I may be technologically challenged but Microsoft has been steadily selling me on linux ever since windows 10.

Yes. I have win 10 and 11 devices. They both lack certain options and I’ve had to go around them, like using control panel. In this case only the win 11 device is at risk of getting much worse.

say it louder for the people in the back

Honest question as I only use Windows every once and a while. Can you get to that disk management thing from the Control Panel? The one that looks like gparted.

And for twenty or so years they have added features that aren’t in there. Hence the problem.

So unless you have a time machine, the answer is to consolidate.

To gloat at morons still using windows.

The alternative is to just keep getting fucked by Microsoft…

I should have added this in my original comment, but the top 3 feature requests on the crappy insider hub were dark mode, aero/glass effect, and getting rid of redundant or poorly made UWPs (Settings, video player, pictures, etc).

In typical Microsoft fashion, they took 5 years to make functioning dark mode, told us aero/glass is impossible because of battery drain before adding it to only the edge browser, and promised “Settings” app would have all the stuff migrated from control panel “soon”.

It’s been 9 years and they still haven’t migrated everything because turns out the control panel actually runs like a normal application that’s easy to use.

They pulled the same stunts with Windows 11, which I still have left on a spare laptop on the insider release channel, and that’s when I noped out after they basically ignored almost all of the top requests with really stupid reasoning.

I left Windows because of the Settings nonsense.

12 years later you rubes are still getting fucked by this garbage. That’s why I’m here. 😂

And if you can do it, it’s complicated and convoluted. I miss Win32 settings panels, everything was so well organized and simple to manage.

opening new settings will just replace where you just where

I don’t use windows super often anymore, so I don’t really have that usecase, but man. Just imagining it makes me annoyed and angry

Mostly 11 now. I honestly prefer it to 10 now, but that’s with quite about of decrapification done to remove all of Microsoft’s bullshit.

At home I’m mostly using Ubuntu, but it’s basically covering firefox as all of my self-hosted stuff runs in thevbrowser and I don’t game much.

XP file search was slow as shit.

Everything for life! (locate (package: mlocate; run updatedb to get the initial load) for terminal on Linux, or I just use find)

Worse, if you go to their articles via their newsletter, it redirects to aws.me domain in the middle which uBlock Origin blocks. You need to manually allow that subdomain to let it run. Plus, they now and then nudge you to create a free account to read more articles.

Oh, did I mention there is a Premium tier of their site as well? Ironical that as the site’s editorial quality is coming down, the shittiness is increasing. I think originally one guy used to run it and write articles there. It was relatively frugal (compared to the churn of articles that they process today) and higher quality.

Why is this argument so common? “Games work on Linux now so you can switch over”. As if games is the only thing holding people back. My laptops are finally running Linux full time now, but I’ve been looking to switch my workstation over to Linux for 25 years now and I’m still not able to fully do it due to limited software and hardware support, and I barely play any games.

There are a lot of games that work. Still some that hold out, mainly due to their shitty anticheat software.

I am past the point of having “a” computer with “an” operating system… the concept of “moving” to another OS is basically irrelevant… I use different environments for different purposes and there’s no good reason to leave potential functional value unused for the sake of ideological convictions or fanboyism or whatever. My problems now revolve around having a useful cross-platform account that has access to my files on any/all of my platforms/VMs. I do lean heavily on open source software, I prefer it to proprietary.

More basically, an OS is not a food that you might like or dislike, it is a tool that you use when it is suited to the task. Discriminating against tools doesn’t make sense, it only limits your capabilities.

Please read this older comment of mine, it explains my point of view on this more… and if you want to do something really interesting then try to implement Qubes and actually use it for awhile.

I use linux at home everyday but I’m stuck with windows at work. I just wanna scream.

I’ve been daily driving Linux for a long time. It’s honestly still not for everyone.

Anti-cheat is still a problem Roblox is still a problem. There are still plenty of programs that people are intimately married to the don’t run well under wine. You can’t just tell them you can’t have Photoshop Premier and Outlook anymore. Arguably a number of the people who don’t fall under that criteria could be running Chromebooks.

And honestly we’re not going to properly support them when their autocomplete software doesn’t run under Wayland or parsec doesn’t support server mode.

It’s great that you either have the chops to fill in the gaps or don’t run the software that has the gaps, but you really can’t ask everyone to do that right?

Its not good. Control panel is consistent and precise. Settings is not consistent lacks many settings and many are dumbed down

I’m in the process of getting a family member over to Linux (again. didn’t work that well last time), but still, I like to help friends and family with computers when I can and I’ve always taken pride in being the go-to guy who know how to fix the thing. Ah well.

Flight simmers the world round will revolt if that dialog isn’t easy to get to or converted to modern format.

If we’re talking about the latest version of Windows 11, I would say it’s dumbed down, but everything I personally need is still there.

Windows 10 is being supported until next October, you’ve got more than a month. That said, I’ve been on Linux for just over a month and I’m so much happier with it. I really like KDE Plasma as a desktop environment. I made the leap because I was unhappy with Windows, but at this point I genuinely prefer Linux.

That many steps? WindowsKey+Break > Change computer name.

If you’re okay with three steps, on Windows 10 and newer, you can right click the start menu and generally open system. Just about any version supports right clicking “My Computer” or “This PC” and selecting properties, as well.

Open Start or hit Win+R- type sysdm.cpl. Done. They kill off the easy to click icon in Control Panel, but they leave the stuff in still. I doubt they’ll remove them. Or at least hope not, lol. Settings is such a cluster to go through.

No joke. Opening a command line from windows by itself is considered hacking by many. Even toggling dark mode in websites triggers that fear.

between the powershell push, wsl, and sudo for windows they are pushing command line usage for advanced users though

There are still things that don’t work in the new UI. A common example for me is changing the output of speakers on my htpc. Sometimes after an update it reverts to 2.0. Need to launch the old sound control panel to set it back to 7.1.

Users complain about changes being made and then they complain that change doesn’t happen enough.

except any advanced user relies in that instead of the garbage settings menu

I really hate that you can only open one settings page at a time. There is no justification to making you lose your place you’re working on just because you want to adjust another minor setting. With the old interface I can e.g. have network and sound settings open at the same time and I don’t know why they took that away.

the loss of info density in favor of making everything fingerable has been one of the worst things to happen to anyone slightly inclined at managing systems. i hate trying to manage things in a touch based UI. so much fucking scrolling and wasted space. it does look nice , but fuck is it a productivity killer.

I also dislike the design layout. Eg. I much prefer the control panel version of Disk Management than the settings purely from an aesthetics stand point. Each disk and their partitions are just easier to see and differentiate from others.

We improved it by making it always available! Just sign into your Windows365 account in Edge and…

Why would they? They still have dialogues from Windows 95, if not before. Microsoft pretty much never removes anything, they just hide it and add new stuff on top because they’re terrified of breaking backward compatibility.

It looks like it was written in plain html.

I’d be surprised if it is in C, it’s probably in C++. That’s been the language of Windows since pretty much forever.

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The whole point of the Settings “app” is to remove the user’s ability to do anything on their own computer. The old (and far more functional) UI of the Control Panel won’t get updated because Microsoft wants users to get scared when the unpretty UI appears.

Maybe, but they can’t change the look of all those third party .cpl applets.

And sure, anyone could theoretically do anything. But this is Microsoft we’re talking about. They’ll just put another layer of cruft on top of the five or six layers of cruft they’ve already got and then call it job done.

Turns out the year of the Linux desktop will not be heralded by making Linux better, but by making Windows worse.

The hero we didn’t know we needed.

But have you heard of TempleOS my son?

If usability is the goal, then ReactOS is not the answer.

Which is becoming a must have on windows.

While I haven’t diven into their codebase, that kind of thing tends to severely limit what developers can do to improve the product, slow them down, etc.

Be it new features, deeper UX improvements, performance optimizations… Basically anything you want to do with your progress, generally speaking, it’s going to get harder the more legacy stuff you need to deal with.

How about Windows NEW ALL (in reference to Tantacrul)?

I don’t understand

Yeah, that makes sense. If it’s starting to bite them in the butt, though, maybe they should start relegating that stuff to emulation, if they can write a good enough emulator.

I don’t know when. Maybe it’s already gone by, maybe it’s in the future. But there’s probably a point in time when all of that backward compatibility stops being worth it.

I’ll just open the play store and download the addon… that’s how this computer stuff works… right?

Shoulda thought that out a bit more…

I bet within a decade they pivot to barely any settings at all, claiming the released experience is the only experience you’ll ever need.

For windows users I actually recommend fedora kinoite, because it’s immutable it’s VERY difficult to break things and also you get the benefits of safer updates, and it’s plenty easier to use.