Manifest V2 phase-out begins (blog.chromium.org)
from neme@lemm.ee to technology@lemmy.world on 30 May 2024 18:57
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thesporkeffect@lemmy.world on 30 May 2024 19:11 next collapse

We’ve always been clear that the goal of Manifest V3 is to protect existing functionality while improving the security, privacy, performance and trustworthiness of the extension ecosystem as a whole. We appreciate the collaboration and feedback from the community that has allowed us - and continues to allow us - to constantly improve the extensions platform.

“We’ve always been clear that the goal of our remote-unlockable front door product is to protect your family while improving the efficiency and safety of our field reconnaissance and repo unit. We appreciate your feedback that you really hate unannounced in-home data gathering incursions, and we are integrating that feedback going forward as we work to improve your interactions with our team. See you soon!”

BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world on 30 May 2024 19:15 next collapse

Manifest V2 phase out is a big deal, as Google is pushing towards Manifest 3 only. Google’s version of Manifest 3 is hobbled by removing WebRequest blocking which breaks privacy and ad blocking tools - an obvious benefit to Google as an Ad and data harvesting company.

Firefox is implementing Manifest 3 with WebRequest blocking, as well as supporting Google’s hobbled version declarativeNetRequest to allow compatibility with chrome extensions.

rbn@sopuli.xyz on 30 May 2024 19:31 next collapse

As far as I know there is no plan to phase out Manifest V2 at Mozilla. As long as V2 and V3 are active in parallel it shouldn’t have a negative Impact on adblockers etc.

Moreless@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 03:06 collapse

Until MV2 API is shut off completely. What will FireFox’s V2 do then?

Spotlight7573@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 05:09 collapse

blog.mozilla.org/addons/…/manifest-v3-updates/

We also wanted to take this opportunity to address a couple common questions we’ve been seeing in the community, specifically around the webRequest API and MV2:

  1. The webRequest API is not on a deprecation path in Firefox
  2. Mozilla has no current plans to deprecate MV2 as mentioned in our previous MV3 update

That said, I believe Firefox users have gotten a lot of benefits by having extensions made that work in both Firefox and Chromium-based browsers. I don’t believe there will still be as much effort for a Firefox-only extension but I believe there will be a sufficient number of motivated users and developers to still develop blockers and other extensions that take advantage of Firefox continuing to support MV2 and webRequest.

RustyNova@lemmy.world on 30 May 2024 19:32 next collapse

But at least Firefox is just compatibility, and not phasing out v2

z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml on 31 May 2024 00:25 collapse

Yeah, it’s still worrisome. This makes Firefox a lynchpin for whether ad blocking works for the foreseeable future on the whole web.

dinckelman@lemmy.world on 30 May 2024 19:43 next collapse

Shit like this is exactly why competition is of utmost importance. The internet was never meant to be single-handedly controlled by a corporation with private interests, and more importantly, private pockets

DarkThoughts@fedia.io on 30 May 2024 19:59 next collapse

If we don't see a somewhat significant rise in Firefox usage increases after this, then I fear that battle is already lost. People can complain a lot but doing something as easy as switching browsers seems to be the hardest thing for most of them.

dojan@lemmy.world on 30 May 2024 20:16 next collapse

Honestly I don’t think most people know or even care.

Toes@ani.social on 30 May 2024 20:44 next collapse

In my experience people have a poor understanding of the software they use, it just needs to continue working as it always has.

tabular@lemmy.world on 30 May 2024 20:53 next collapse

Even if Firefox were to win it’s still a bleak future because the ridiculously complexity and scope of browsers prevents new ones being made. Without the possibility of newcomers either the war never ends or there is one victor. We should start to abandon browsers in favor of apps that focus on each part of the browser (e.g. why does a browser need to render video to the screen when the user already has an app for that).

“Destroying an empire to win a war is no victory, and ending a battle to save an empire is no defeat.”- Kahless

akilou@sh.itjust.works on 31 May 2024 02:02 next collapse

Fuck that. I’m not switching between apps for every god damn function my browser does. I intentionally decline to install apps when I can just use the browser.

tabular@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 08:29 collapse

What’s the difference?

a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 31 May 2024 09:24 collapse

  • no unified password management (or even worse: everything gets just attached to your google/ios account - i hate apps that do not give me the option to keep stuff separate)
  • no history functions (esp. over multiple devices)
  • single apps getting bought out by marketing corpos or bad actors without getting notified
  • data sniffing apps are harder to reign in than my sandboxed browser tabs.
  • NO ADBLOCKING AVAILABLE IN APPS

I’m sure there are a lot more reasons, that’s just what came into my mind

tabular@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 12:07 collapse

Apps being created seperatly doesn’t mean they can’t interact with each other, so I don’t see those concerns as a problem. Is there anything fundamentally preventing the creation of new apps to do tasks currently exclusive to browsers?

Isn’t the possibility of single apps getting bought out an argument against having all your eggs in one basket? 🙃

a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 31 May 2024 12:25 collapse

i think i would get notified in some way if the Mozilla Foundation changes ownership, and since it’s open source that is not much of an argument. open source is getting more common the last few years, but it’s definitely not common

sure, it doesn’t mean they can’t. everyone making their own app also means that they don’t per default.

and you didn’t touch the point regarding NO ADBLOCKING IN APPS while the whole debate here is because alphabet doesn’t want effective adblocking in their browser.

tabular@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 12:43 collapse

I don’t know what to say regarding your claim of no ad blocking in apps because I don’t understand why you think that. I disagree because it’s the same game just in different apps, depending on the medium:

  • images then you could do what ad blockers fo now: block based on domain -video you still disregard other ad files, or have a sysyem like sponser block
  • text (e.g.) on a Gemini client you’d need to detect the text that looks like ads.
a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 31 May 2024 13:16 collapse

domain based blocking systems are nice for a base level of ad removal, they do nothing if the ads are coming from the same domain. sponsorblock is nice, but it’s the work of volunteers to remove those ads - if youtubes userbase were splintered over thousands of apps it wouldn’t be feasable.

i don’t know when i have seen just text-based ads in the last 10 years. those are an non-issue, even for me. the issues are scripts, user profiling and tracking.

the big difference is: the browser gives webpages/apps a standardized environment where the user has the last word regarding what runs on it or not (if you are not using chromium anyway). in apps, the user doesn’t have that luxury, especially regarding tracking and profiling.

tabular@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 13:50 collapse

I value software freedom so I don’t promote proprietary apps that prevent users doing their computing the way they want. There’s not much I can do about how companies mistreat their users. Just contribute to free (open source) software, advocate for a culture that values freedom over convenience, and advocate for laws against proprietary software.

RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works on 31 May 2024 20:41 collapse

Until apps allow to install ubo I’ll stick to a browser instead of having less control than with manifest v3 and chrome/ium

tabular@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 20:58 collapse

If the code of your app is like uBlock-Origin then you have the freedom to remove ads from your software. If an app dictates how you do your computing that’s a bigger issue than reckless feature creep leading to the end of browsers.

just_another_person@lemmy.world on 30 May 2024 21:39 next collapse

You Grandma and her Chromebook don’t care though. The numbers aren’t in our favor, but Mozilla absolutely dominating in the features and privacy arenas is.

DarkThoughts@fedia.io on 31 May 2024 06:42 collapse

My grandma is dead. And before that she used Linux Mint & Firefox.

just_another_person@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 06:59 collapse

Exactly

Thassodar@lemm.ee on 31 May 2024 02:43 next collapse

I’m not asking this facetiously but: is there an easy way to migrate my bookmarks, tabs, and pinned tabs easily to Firefox? I looked maybe a year ago but didn’t find a 1 to 1 easy switch way to go to Firefox.

To be clear: my personal laptop is all Firefox, but I don’t use it all the time. My main desktop is an integration of all three (please don’t judge), but I’d like to go full Firefox if it was convenient.

Moreless@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 03:03 next collapse

Use the export/import options

DarkThoughts@fedia.io on 31 May 2024 06:43 next collapse

Every browser has import / export functions. This is a standard feature for many many years.

Thassodar@lemm.ee on 31 May 2024 15:54 collapse

I get your point, but the easier you make it to switch the more people will make the change.

fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de on 31 May 2024 10:07 collapse

I’m not saying this facetiously but I just don’t understand what could possibly be so important that you need a “1 to 1 easy switch way”.

Import your bookmarks. Pin some tabs.

Thassodar@lemm.ee on 31 May 2024 15:53 collapse

Convenience, similar to ninite.com. Sure I could download each installer one by one, but when it was made simple I now use it all the time.

Similarly with Firefox: the easier you make it to switch from any Chromium based web browser, to Firefox, the more people will make the switch. To me your comment is equivalent to someone saying RTFM.

fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de on 31 May 2024 23:48 collapse

On the contrary.

With the time you’ve wasted complaining about having to RTFM you could’ve already imported your my little pony bookmark collection and be clop clopping off into the sunset.

You really don’t need a manual.

Thassodar@lemm.ee on 01 Jun 2024 00:34 collapse

You are absolutely correct, I could have done it a while ago. But while it is inconvenient, for me specifically, it’s not top priority. Once there’s a convenient method I’ll be all about it.

fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de on 31 May 2024 10:10 collapse

I fear that battle is already lost

I do. I’d be surprised if we see any kind of increase.

Firefox is going to slide into obscurity. They’ve been in a downward spiral for the last few years. So much money wasted on so many failed projects. They’re a shadow of their former selves. The features of firefox are improving of course but by every metric that matters they’re on life support.

asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world on 30 May 2024 23:39 next collapse

Same thing that happened with the internet also happened with capitalism. It’s like you need some regulation to ensure competition. It could have been so awesome if we had what we were promised.

SkyNTP@lemmy.ml on 30 May 2024 23:53 next collapse

Calling it the “Googlenet” now. The rest of us that don’t suck Google dick can stay on the actual Internet.

ramble81@lemm.ee on 31 May 2024 19:10 collapse

It’s like AOL all over again

Blackmist@feddit.uk on 31 May 2024 09:31 collapse

In retrospect maybe having the worlds most popular browser and the world’s biggest advertiser be the same person, was a bad idea.

dust_accelerator@discuss.tchncs.de on 30 May 2024 19:52 next collapse

The {“SHOP DEALS AT TEMU”} will continue until morale improves!

BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca on 30 May 2024 20:29 next collapse

I assume with chromium being open source that there will be an alternative compiled version without this nonsense?

mannycalavera@feddit.uk on 30 May 2024 21:04 next collapse

There are already several competing forks each built with a different window manager.

jet@hackertalks.com on 31 May 2024 01:49 collapse

They are not exactly forks. They still get the upstream chromium changes into their code base. So they will all lose manifest v2 when the core disappears from chromium.

They are more like downstream branches. It is possible they will do the gymnastics to keep manifest v2 but it’s not guaranteed

mannycalavera@feddit.uk on 31 May 2024 05:54 collapse

Mate, I wasn’t being serious 🤣

bamboo@lemm.ee on 30 May 2024 21:57 next collapse

That’s how it works for now, but eventually the code itself will be removed from chromium, not just disabled. At that point they’d have to maintain a large patch set reimplementing it, which would be extremely time intensive to maintain and keep secure.

msage@programming.dev on 30 May 2024 22:52 collapse

There is - Firefox

gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 30 May 2024 23:54 collapse

Firefox is not chromium

msage@programming.dev on 31 May 2024 06:13 collapse

I know, precisely. But it is an alternative without this nonsense, kinda the only one. And the only option to actually stop the Google monopoly that led to this.

AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca on 30 May 2024 20:53 next collapse

Internet is dominated by Netscape, then crushed by MS giving its browser away… Firefox steps in for a while and is great but starts to suck / get slow, google steps in people start to shift to google, everyone is on google… Wonder who steps in next.

Opisek@lemmy.world on 30 May 2024 21:05 next collapse

I’m afraid well-established “standards” are nearly impossible to overturn.

bamboo@lemm.ee on 30 May 2024 22:02 collapse

There’s a lot more vendor lock in than there has been in the past. I don’t see there being a major change without legislation. It’s still too early to see how the EU’s DMA will affect market share, but it’s probably the best hope, even if it is limited to a few geographical areas.

AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca on 30 May 2024 22:15 collapse

There’s a lot more vendor lock in than there has been in the past. I don’t see there being a major change without legislation

LOL no… ActiveX on IE was the ultimate lock in, and that is gone now… Also we have A LOT of chromium based clones that don’t have these restrictions… It will still be a popularity contest.

Firefox however is limited by its in ability / unwillingness to license or implement some DRM features / Codecs which kind of sucks.

bamboo@lemm.ee on 30 May 2024 23:28 collapse

An even bigger restriction is how iOS just blocks all competing browser engines. It doesn’t matter what sites do or don’t require. If a site is broken in Safari, I just have to go use a different device. On all other operating systems you do have a bit more options, but they all pretty aggressively push you into using the manufacturer’s choice.

  • Sent from my iPhone
AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca on 31 May 2024 02:06 collapse

True… but you can install content blocker plugins on iOS now from the app store and as far as mobile goes Android offer an alternative.

notannpc@lemmy.world on 30 May 2024 23:33 next collapse

Not if you stop using chromium based garbage!

hightrix@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 00:19 next collapse

I’m just here to say fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck Google.

Frellwit@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 02:11 next collapse

  • On June 3rd, Chrome(ium) users will start being informed that their MV2 extensions will soon stop to function. uBlock Origin (and others) will lose the “Featured” badge.
  • The remaining MV2 extensions will be gradually disabled in the “coming months”, with the last deadline being the beginning of next year. (Expect that uBO will probably not last that long).

What options do you have if you still want to use uBlock Origin?

  • Firefox (and up to date forks) have no plans to end support for the webrequest API that uBO requires.
  • Brave browser will allow MV2 extensions for now. I still have no info on if they are going to use their own store or require manual installation/updating of MV2 extensions.
  • If you use Chrome. By enabling enterprise policy ExtensionManifestV2Availability, you should be able to extend support till June 2025.
  • uBlock Origin Lite (uBOL) is a MV3 extension that is much more limited than uBO and is not intended to be a replacement for uBO. These limitations are described in detail in the FAQ for uBOL: github.com/…/Frequently-asked-questions-(FAQ)
brbposting@sh.itjust.works on 31 May 2024 06:20 next collapse

Thanks, great info

Firefox gang but still appreciated a couple of these reminders

ayyndrew@lemm.ee on 31 May 2024 09:42 next collapse

I’ve been using uBlock Origin Lite and I haven’t encountered any issues

sealhaslupus@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 10:48 collapse

for those who come and read through these comments, on top of considering not using a chromium-based browser, you could also:

  • configure your own DNS resolver e.g. NextDNS
  • go further and use a fork of firefox e.g. librewolf
ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 12:50 next collapse

Sadly corporate environments mean there is not choice for many users.

nixcamic@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 13:01 next collapse

Or just use Firefox.

sealhaslupus@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 13:13 collapse

many people here parrot the same things relentlessly. there is no issue with choosing firefox as your primary driver. every user here can decide on what they want for themselves.

i am offering other options as the suggestions in this thread (and threads like these) are homogenous.

Firefox has telemetry settings built-in which you can switch off. LibreWolf strips the telemetry options away and focuses on obfuscating your browser fingerprint.

nixcamic@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 13:37 collapse

Yeah it’s just that I feel like if someone is still using freaking Chrome in 2024 then asking them to use something even more obscure than FF might be a bridge too far.

sealhaslupus@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 14:09 collapse

LibreWolf is just a fork of Firefox (one of many) which tries to improve its privacy features.

I am not asking anyone to use this, just merely offering an alternate option. Everyone who accesses the internet has used a browser. What makes a difference for the average user is the GUI and UX.

If you use vanilla Firefox and don’t tweak the settings, often your DNS will be resolved by either Google, Cloudflare or your ISP.

There is no perfect solution, only optimal ones.

sverit@lemmy.ml on 31 May 2024 14:32 collapse

Unfortunately DNS blocking is not nearly as powerful as an adblock extension which can manipulate the DOM and CSS directly.

sealhaslupus@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 14:57 collapse

this is true. however it can filter calls to ad services and block them at the dns level before they’re loaded in the browser

AProfessional@lemmy.world on 01 Jun 2024 02:28 collapse

Sites are going to move ads to shared domains, now that chrome users are stuck.

linearchaos@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 02:11 next collapse

It becomes impossible to block ads in all browsers new forks will be made and the features we want will happen. The bar to spin and maintain a new browser is high but it’s not impossible on there are a lot of people that want this

JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz on 31 May 2024 06:14 next collapse

And who is going to do it? All these “open source” projects are financially backed by some corpos

fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de on 31 May 2024 10:03 next collapse

Sorry mate I think this is a little naive.

I suspect that the bar to “spin and maintain a new browser” is so high as to be impossible.

The resources required to keep firefox afloat are huge. It’s not something a few like minded individuals can do on their weekends.

cout970@programming.dev on 31 May 2024 13:13 collapse

You should check out Ladybird browser, it’s an impressive piece work, it’s definitely no ready for everyday use, but it is proof that a small community can develop and maintain a project as complex and large as a browser.

It is probably the only browser in active development that is not being paid by Google, even Firefox gets most of its income from defaulting the search engine to Google

fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de on 31 May 2024 15:17 collapse

Pretty good evidence that it’s just not possible to do, honestly.

kilgore_trout@feddit.it on 31 May 2024 13:07 collapse

Independent Web browsers in active development which use their own engine and (aim to) support modern Web standards:


That’s it.

mil@sh.itjust.works on 31 May 2024 02:51 next collapse

Here we go

the_doktor@lemmy.zip on 31 May 2024 05:41 next collapse

Anyone still using Chromium or any of its derivatives (including Chrome) just needs to suck it up and admit it’s the loser here. Use a Firefox derivative, it’s just all around better in every single way.

mightyfoolish@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 08:55 next collapse

I had to call someone using Microsoft Teams today. It does not work with Firefox, even if you spoof the user agent.

viking@infosec.pub on 31 May 2024 09:49 next collapse

I have Edge for two things: Teams and Outlook.

The desktop software for both is so bad, I can’t even use them half of the time.

Outlook actually works in FF, but that way I can put it on my second screen and use Firefox on my main one so I don’t need to switch tabs when emails come in.

Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org on 31 May 2024 10:50 collapse

You know you can have Firefox open a second window, right?

viking@infosec.pub on 31 May 2024 11:12 collapse

Yeah but occasionally FF hangs and I want to avoid force closing the wrong one through the task manager.

joe_cool@lemmy.ml on 31 May 2024 15:30 collapse

Like Chrome Firefox has an internal Task manager at: about:processes

You could try opening it in a second window. It might show you what causes the hang. There is also: about:memory to see where the RAM went. It’s a bit more technical though.

viking@infosec.pub on 31 May 2024 22:32 collapse

Oh cool, didn’t know that one yet, thanks a bunch!

fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de on 31 May 2024 09:58 next collapse

I’m not quite sure what you’re getting at?

Microsoft has been playing this game since forever.

lastweakness@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 11:30 collapse

He’s getting at Firefox being unusable for one of his usecases. Though i guess you could argue that he could just use something like brave specifically for that use case while using Firefox for other stuff

fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de on 31 May 2024 11:55 collapse

Yeah, I guess I mean that I’m surprised anyone is surprised when an MS product unexpectedly doesn’t work in a non-microsoft environment.

kilgore_trout@feddit.it on 31 May 2024 12:53 collapse

You should be surprised, that is unfair competition.

fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de on 31 May 2024 13:11 collapse

They’ve been doing that forever.

kilgore_trout@feddit.it on 31 May 2024 18:05 collapse

And Antitrust in different countries forced them to comply with the law.

fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de on 31 May 2024 23:45 collapse

No it didn’t.

Ms does this all the time and gets away with it all the time.

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rbesfe@lemmy.ca on 31 May 2024 11:47 next collapse

Why not just download the teams app?

mightyfoolish@lemmy.world on 01 Jun 2024 14:23 collapse

The Teams app is probably just Chromium pointed to the teams website. Might as well have Chrome/Chromium installed at that point.

ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 12:49 next collapse

I don’t know what’s up with your setup, but this is untrue. I’ve used Firefox for teams in browser for years with no issues.

mightyfoolish@lemmy.world on 01 Jun 2024 14:19 next collapse

I can try again with a friend on Momday. Is there a specific user agent extension or a about:config option you used?

ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world on 01 Jun 2024 15:49 collapse

Honestly no, I have a bunch of extensions but I never took specific action to make teams work. You do have to make sure popup are allowed and ublock and similar tools don’t interfere with it, but it worked for me.

You might try grabbing a portable Firefox install from Portable Apps and testing that.

bitwolf@lemmy.one on 01 Jun 2024 15:58 collapse

I had the same issue. It works but crashed once I went into a call.

the_doktor@lemmy.zip on 01 Jun 2024 14:06 collapse

Not a big fan of MS Teams but… it’s worked for me before in the past. PEBCAK.

anas@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 11:09 collapse

I’m using both Firefox as my daily browser, and Edge for school related stuff, Firefox is very often maxing out my CPU usage and I can’t figure out why

GTG3000@programming.dev on 31 May 2024 14:28 collapse

Yeah, I find firefox tends to leak memory when you have youtube tabs open. Still using only firefox unless testing for compatibility but it is a thing.

anas@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 17:18 next collapse

It does get worse when using YouTube, but usually it’s my CPU that elevates, not my memory

Amir@lemmy.ml on 02 Jun 2024 08:50 collapse

Thank Google for that “feature”

LordCrom@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 05:50 next collapse

Many times stupid web pages don’t load… Call support and I’m told it only works in chrome.

Can’t get away from it

sudoku@programming.dev on 31 May 2024 08:48 next collapse

source: my crackpipe

Blackmist@feddit.uk on 31 May 2024 09:29 next collapse

Try and register something on Razer’s website so you can get support for it. Until a few weeks back, PSN locked the browser up completely when signing in.

I use FF for day to day use, but prepare to swap to Chrome when things go wrong just because most sites aren’t tested on it.

lastweakness@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 11:33 collapse

Source: extremely common knowledge and the stranglehold that Google has on webdev

problematicPanther@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 09:08 next collapse

when i try to go to a website that does that, or worse, when they say that my operating system is not supported, i don’t go to their site.

Hadriscus@lemm.ee on 31 May 2024 20:19 next collapse

“Your desk chair isn’t supported, please stand up when using our site”

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IndustryStandard@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 09:11 next collapse

I have both firefox and chrome installed. It’s actually not that bad as special work “tabs” get their own taskbar icon…

mint_tamas@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 09:37 next collapse

So what, you keep an ungoogled-chromium around and use it occasionally for compatibility, if you really need to. Doesn’t mean you are obligated to use it as your daily driver.

Nom@lemm.ee on 31 May 2024 10:28 next collapse

I’m doing the same, I rarely ever have to use it unless compelled to by work or simply a lazy site with less compatibility for anything beyond google.

For anyone who wants to try here you go.

LordCrom@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 18:58 collapse

Exactly what I do

[deleted] on 31 May 2024 11:28 collapse

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kilgore_trout@feddit.it on 31 May 2024 12:54 collapse

On Firefox Android Beta / Nightly / forks, you can enable WebRender from about:config .

airglow@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 22:45 collapse

WebRender has been enabled by default on Firefox for Android since version 92 (September 2021). Performance is fine for me, especially with uBlock Origin.

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airglow@lemmy.world on 01 Jun 2024 07:32 collapse

uBlock Origin works best on Firefox, according to the extension author. This is definitely a reason to use Firefox, and even more so when Chromium phases out Manifest V2 completely.

Your Samsung Galaxy Tab S5e has a PassMark score of 5488. I’ve been happy with the performance of Firefox on a Google Pixel 3a, which has a nearly identical PassMark score of 5483. Maybe your expectations or experiences are different, but I’m comfortable with saying that Firefox’s performance is fine for me on a range of Android devices, old and new.

kilgore_trout@feddit.it on 01 Jun 2024 06:43 collapse

Some of its features are still considered experimental and disabled on Android to provide compatibility with most devices.

Two informative Reddit posts that are mostly up-to-date:

@BaardFigur@lemmy.world

anticurrent@sh.itjust.works on 31 May 2024 11:52 next collapse

Considering the community behind uBlock origin has no financial incentive, why are they still developing for chrome and manifest v3 while google keeps pulling off anti consumer and anti-adblock tactics, shouldn’t they just drop chrome and orient people to use firefox or one of its derivatives.

kilgore_trout@feddit.it on 31 May 2024 12:52 collapse

gorhill already strongly suggests to use Firefox, but to drop Google Chrome altogether would leave millions of people stranded.

ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml on 31 May 2024 13:02 collapse

Maybe that would be a good thing, maybe it would force people onto Firefox?

TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 13:19 next collapse

You are underestimating how much bulshit people are willing to put up just to not have to make any change.

Zehzin@lemmy.world on 01 Jun 2024 02:08 collapse

That’s so me

kilgore_trout@feddit.it on 31 May 2024 13:26 next collapse

I recommend to read this response of a developer for Emacs to a user asking why stick to Microsoft’s Github: protesilaos.com/…/2024-04-30-re-emacs-github-free…

ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml on 31 May 2024 14:31 next collapse

True, at the end of the day it does come down to number of users, unfortunately. More users does mean more potential help/contributions. I just wish more people would switch to Firefox or another non-Chromium browser.

kilgore_trout@feddit.it on 31 May 2024 18:07 collapse

The author’s goal, laterally, is to spread Free Software to as many users as possible.

We’ll never convince anyone that out fight for Freedom is good, by circlejerking.

anlumo@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 19:22 collapse

Good post. Also, in the case of GitHub, one major reason for me for using it is that this is the first place a potential employer will look at to see my work. They won’t delve into the depths of a random git hosting service nobody has ever heard about.

kilgore_trout@feddit.it on 31 May 2024 19:26 collapse

You just need to put a link on your resume, that way they will know about it.

Shurimal@kbin.social on 31 May 2024 13:44 collapse

As much as I like Firefox/Librewolf, Vivaldi still has the upper hand in UI/UX. Workspaces, more feature-rich sidebar, one-click access to recently closed tabs right there in the tab bar, speed dial, tab stacks and other QoL stuff that makes just enough difference for me that I can't really daily-drive any other browsers. Until FF reaches feature parity (it's getting close, but still isn't quite there yet) I don't see myself migrating anytime soon. Quess I'll just need to rely more on AdGuard DNS and Vivaldi's built-in adblocker if uBlock becomes neutered on Chromium...

SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip on 31 May 2024 19:43 collapse

Why are people downvoting you? I totally agree with you. Firefox has the upper edge (pun unintended) on the backend technology that causes them to resist Google’s greedy changes, but acts just like a for-profit company when it comes to the UI.

Look how much pointless whitespace their is on the tab bar. It was so “popular” that Chrome recently came in and copied that change. But Vivaldi just goes its own way, trying to make the most competitive browser it can.

ulkesh@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 18:46 next collapse

pets Firefox …Who’s a good boy?

Psythik@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 20:00 next collapse

Firefox finally got HDR support, so now I have zero reason to use a Chromium-Based browser anymore. Kept Ungoogled Chromium around just for streaming video; uninstalled it yesterday.

Blisterexe@lemmy.zip on 01 Jun 2024 22:24 collapse

Wait it did? When?

Psythik@lemmy.world on 02 Jun 2024 04:44 collapse

IDK but I just noticed it a few days ago when I was suddenly blinded by every video, lol (I turned on the setting in my GPU that converts SDR videos to HDR. It never worked in Firefox until just now).

AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca on 31 May 2024 21:00 collapse

There wasn’t any h265 support until recent nightlies for windows… so there is that issue. Which is important for watching movies ore even some NVR / Security cameras these days for anything 4K or higher.

ulkesh@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 22:20 next collapse

I still love my Firefox since that doesn’t affect me. My videos are easily transcoded if needed and I keep to 1080p so size isn’t a real issue as well.

I guess for some, it can be problematic. So they’ll have to put up with ads again.

AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca on 31 May 2024 22:54 collapse

Or just use a chromium fork that allows ad block plugins…

ulkesh@lemmy.world on 01 Jun 2024 00:18 next collapse

Of course, people are quite free to do as they wish assuming they know how.

AProfessional@lemmy.world on 01 Jun 2024 02:26 next collapse

Every day that passes it will be harder to maintain patches readding this. Who knows but it’s a lame solution.

Veneroso@lemmy.world on 01 Jun 2024 16:00 collapse

Edge has entered the chat. Have you tried Bing my son?

[deleted] on 01 Jun 2024 00:59 collapse

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hark@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 21:00 next collapse

My chrome phase-out finished years ago (though technically I was using a chromium-based browser and not chrome itself). Good riddance to that trash. Firefox all the way!

kmirl@lemmy.world on 01 Jun 2024 02:02 collapse

We’ve had the youtube premium family bundle for several years, mostly for android auto in our cars. I switched to Firefox around that time as well but found it didn’t work as well for youtube. So I compromised by using Chrome for youtube and Firefox for everything else. I will continue this way for the time being, but honestly getting rid of Chrome completely would not be a big deal at this point.