AI will create jobs, millions of jobs, for intelligent people to sift through the AI slop searching for pearls. It will become harder every year, so they will always need more people to do it. It’s unclear what happens when the AI slop outpaces humanity’s ability to filter it. I guess we can call it “the technological singularity nobody wanted”.
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de
on 07 Oct 02:55
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The bubble will eventually burst and AI will mostly disappear.
RicoRodriguez42@lemmy.world
on 07 Oct 03:00
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Just like in the scifi movies, where robots and ai are basically non-existent.
It’s not about the concept of AI, it’s about current developments in generative AI, which is just one approach for it but has largely hijacked the term. This one could burst and disappear, hopefully replaced by something better, but the general field of AI would not.
Also, I’m not sure where you are going with that argument. Despite being the subject of stories for millennia, nobody has invented dragons yet.
Almost all distant future hard sci-fi settings have banned or severely limited AGI, sometimes proactively, often making it among the highest universally recognized crimes, sometimes after a war, or sometimes unsuccessfully (in which case the story’s going to be about regretting it). Either way, if fiction authors can reliably figure out the inevitable plot line the technology follows, perhaps we will too, eventually.
I think that’s overly optimistic. I sure hope the bubble bursts soon so tech giants will stop spending countless billions raping the environment and forcing it down our throats. But the tech is out there now, and it’s a panacea for spammers, scammers, propagandists, and anyone who wants to subtly manipulate people or push an ideology on a massive scale. It’s going to keep being tweaked and adjusted to keep it at least somewhat undetectable on some level, just like spammers have always done, as long as they can still push some of their slop through the filters. The bubble may burst, but the tech is not going away. Even if we outlawed it, that just means only the outlaws will keep using it. And they absolutely will, because the randomness and hallucinations don’t bother them. In fact it’s not even really much different from the tools they have already used to avoid anti-spam and anti-bot filters. Accuracy is not their goal. The barest hint of believability combined with sheer, overwhelming quantity are their goal. And Generative AI is perfect for that goal.
The pearls I am metaphorically referring to in this case refer to examples of genuine human content, whether that is an intelligent thought, a creative flourish, or a call for emotional connection. These still exist, there are still billions of humans on the planet with largely the same minds and the same needs that they have always had. But the way things are going they will be increasingly buried in increasingly harder to distinguish slop, disconnected from each other as the signal to noise ratio becomes progressively lower.
frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io
on 07 Oct 02:31
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Refund? No criminal charges for fraud or anything like that? It's gonna keep happening if no one gets punished for it.
Better option would be to require the senior Deloitte partners and managers to do real community service program (live-in junior janitor at homeless shelter or a hospice) for 6 months (with an asset freeze for the duration of community service).
It’s ridiculous. The fact that a significant part of the report was clearly fraudulent calls into question the merit of the entire report. How could anyone take it seriously after finding dozens of fraudulent sources? They should sue to recover 100% of what was paid.
I still think personal responsibility (as outlined in my post above) is a far better option that a fine.
A fine is the cost of business. I don’t think a senior Deloitte partner or manager would like to do a 6 month mandatory de-mining community service program (Australia can send them to my country, Ukraine, as part of a community service exchange program).
Partners and managers (at least senior ones) are held accountable for profitability. A fine directly hits their bonuses. But holding the partners personally liable for fraud would be a good thing to do as well.
It will keep happening. LLMs are the perfect tools for those huge meat grinding consulting companies. Their industry is all about looking good, not factual quality, just like LLMs.
You wish. Doctors do worse than this all the time. Sure, not in formal papers submitted to a government, but so many GPs will blame every problem on someone being fat or diabetic or insert random trivial knowledge they retained from school instead of using actual critical thinking skills…
Yea, hence my last sentence. The solution isn’t to excuse them but to realize the full scope of the problem, and how it is very engrained in society. A great step would be to stop allowing willfully inept people any power in the first place.
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AI will replace jobs!
… Maybe. But not a lot. And as long as they try, stuff like this will keep happening.
AI will create jobs, millions of jobs, for intelligent people to sift through the AI slop searching for pearls. It will become harder every year, so they will always need more people to do it. It’s unclear what happens when the AI slop outpaces humanity’s ability to filter it. I guess we can call it “the technological singularity nobody wanted”.
The bubble will eventually burst and AI will mostly disappear.
Just like in the scifi movies, where robots and ai are basically non-existent.
It’s not about the concept of AI, it’s about current developments in generative AI, which is just one approach for it but has largely hijacked the term. This one could burst and disappear, hopefully replaced by something better, but the general field of AI would not.
Also, I’m not sure where you are going with that argument. Despite being the subject of stories for millennia, nobody has invented dragons yet.
Almost all distant future hard sci-fi settings have banned or severely limited AGI, sometimes proactively, often making it among the highest universally recognized crimes, sometimes after a war, or sometimes unsuccessfully (in which case the story’s going to be about regretting it). Either way, if fiction authors can reliably figure out the inevitable plot line the technology follows, perhaps we will too, eventually.
I think that’s overly optimistic. I sure hope the bubble bursts soon so tech giants will stop spending countless billions raping the environment and forcing it down our throats. But the tech is out there now, and it’s a panacea for spammers, scammers, propagandists, and anyone who wants to subtly manipulate people or push an ideology on a massive scale. It’s going to keep being tweaked and adjusted to keep it at least somewhat undetectable on some level, just like spammers have always done, as long as they can still push some of their slop through the filters. The bubble may burst, but the tech is not going away. Even if we outlawed it, that just means only the outlaws will keep using it. And they absolutely will, because the randomness and hallucinations don’t bother them. In fact it’s not even really much different from the tools they have already used to avoid anti-spam and anti-bot filters. Accuracy is not their goal. The barest hint of believability combined with sheer, overwhelming quantity are their goal. And Generative AI is perfect for that goal.
There are no pearls. It’s uniform, blenderized raw sewage.
The pearls I am metaphorically referring to in this case refer to examples of genuine human content, whether that is an intelligent thought, a creative flourish, or a call for emotional connection. These still exist, there are still billions of humans on the planet with largely the same minds and the same needs that they have always had. But the way things are going they will be increasingly buried in increasingly harder to distinguish slop, disconnected from each other as the signal to noise ratio becomes progressively lower.
Refund? No criminal charges for fraud or anything like that? It's gonna keep happening if no one gets punished for it.
And a partial refund at that.
Better option would be to require the senior Deloitte partners and managers to do real community service program (live-in junior janitor at homeless shelter or a hospice) for 6 months (with an asset freeze for the duration of community service).
It’s ridiculous. The fact that a significant part of the report was clearly fraudulent calls into question the merit of the entire report. How could anyone take it seriously after finding dozens of fraudulent sources? They should sue to recover 100% of what was paid.
I still think personal responsibility (as outlined in my post above) is a far better option that a fine.
A fine is the cost of business. I don’t think a senior Deloitte partner or manager would like to do a 6 month mandatory de-mining community service program (Australia can send them to my country, Ukraine, as part of a community service exchange program).
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Partners and managers (at least senior ones) are held accountable for profitability. A fine directly hits their bonuses. But holding the partners personally liable for fraud would be a good thing to do as well.
Finally a company with great service and ethical standards!
It will keep happening. LLMs are the perfect tools for those huge meat grinding consulting companies. Their industry is all about looking good, not factual quality, just like LLMs.
Its 100% hallucinations.
Ahhhh, it’s been at least 20 mins or so since i had a reason to say “Fuck Deloitte”
Fuck Deloitte
Fuckers deserve to rot
At very least, they should be banned from bidding on Australian government contracts for a couple of years.
If a doctor did this, they’d lose their license to practice.
You wish. Doctors do worse than this all the time. Sure, not in formal papers submitted to a government, but so many GPs will blame every problem on someone being fat or diabetic or insert random trivial knowledge they retained from school instead of using actual critical thinking skills…
Many doctors do not deserve their licenses.
You’re not wrong but I think the takeaway is to hold both groups responsible
Yea, hence my last sentence. The solution isn’t to excuse them but to realize the full scope of the problem, and how it is very engrained in society. A great step would be to stop allowing willfully inept people any power in the first place.
Refunding is far from enough, there should be a steep fine for fraudulent work.
Whoever did that report along with the reviewer should be fired for that. AI is just a tool, not a freaking replacer.