reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.ml
on 09 Apr 2024 11:24
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Why would we subsidize putting something so “mission critical” in a state openly calling to secede?
SuperSynthia@lemmy.world
on 09 Apr 2024 11:42
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A lot of it has to do with Texas having the Gulf of Mexico ports all along the coast. It’s a big reason petrochemical refining is so big in Texas. Another plus for Texas is it’s abundance of land they can either buy or imminent domain. Now don’t get me wrong I’m not a Texas supporter, but it’s just one of those location based decisions I’m sure.
Not to mention if your a business in Texas you usually only get slaps on the wrist when you poison the environment. Worker safety? Mostly dependent on company policy with the main focus just barely making OSHA compliance. If the fine is cheaper than compliance, a lot of companies just pay the fine if it happens.
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 09 Apr 2024 12:01
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Because they’ve been grumbling about that forever and it will never happen unless the US government just up and loses its military.
There will never be the political and populace buy in for something like that to ever end as more than a compound of political extremists getting wiped out by the national guard.
Woozythebear@lemmy.world
on 09 Apr 2024 17:24
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The majority of the people in the military would be fighting with Texas. Our military is about as right wing as you can get.
slumberlust@lemmy.world
on 10 Apr 2024 20:17
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This is patently false. Officers across all branches skew more liberal while Marines skew heavily conservative.
RealFknNito@lemmy.world
on 09 Apr 2024 13:10
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Because if they actually try they’ll be shot dead in the streets by hellfire drones. Texas doesn’t win against America. Especially not a gaggle of hicks who can’t even spell secede.
GeneralVincent@lemmy.world
on 09 Apr 2024 20:47
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You’re saying they won’t succeed?
vanderbilt@lemmy.world
on 10 Apr 2024 23:45
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There isn’t a snowball’s chance in hell they’ll be allowed to that’s why. In the Texas panhandle is the Pantex plant, which services the military’s nuclear warheads. You saw what Uncle Sam did to the people who touched his boats, now try touching his nukes.
AshMan85@lemmy.world
on 09 Apr 2024 12:07
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would be good if it were any where but texas!
BombOmOm@lemmy.world
on 09 Apr 2024 13:27
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Texas has a bunch of advantages for manufacturing. Lawmakers are willing to work with firms, land is inexpensive and available while at the same time having lots of available workers, taxes are less, electricity is fairly inexpensive, and there is a ton of barrier island protected coastline for shipping ports. America’s manufacturing rebuild cannot and will not happen in NY or CA, it is actively happening in places like TX due to such advantages.
quicksand@lemm.ee
on 09 Apr 2024 13:44
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If only they had reliable utilities. Samsung’s fab in Austin got shut down for a few weeks from ice-mageddon. Messed them up enough that they threatened to leave if Texas didn’t give them something to make up for it.
BassTurd@lemmy.world
on 09 Apr 2024 15:59
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Also, the land is stable. For something as precise as chip mfg, an area that won’t earthquake is nice.
vanontom@lemmy.world
on 10 Apr 2024 03:37
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In oil country, the land may be getting less stable. Korean Samsung (and planet Earth) vs Texan oil barons, I wonder who Texas will protect.
Fredselfish@lemmy.world
on 09 Apr 2024 16:15
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Inexpensive what fuck you smoking?
Melkath@kbin.social
on 09 Apr 2024 16:52
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Not to mention all of the slave labor from all of their incarcerated immigrants, and I'm sure the US will get a tax write off or something when they finally seceded.
Not_mikey@slrpnk.net
on 09 Apr 2024 17:15
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Your missing another big part and that’s unions are hamstrung down there. A lot of places in the Midwest offer similar advantages, ports aren’t as good but you can still ship a lot on the great lakes, but they won’t go there because they’re afraid of unions.
Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip
on 09 Apr 2024 20:03
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electricity is inexpensive as long as weather doesnt fuck up the plants causing peak usage price rockets*
Yeah it’s wild that the US government will fund private projects without getting the same bonds or shares that private investors would expect.
BombOmOm@lemmy.world
on 10 Apr 2024 20:00
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Growth in an industry drives tax growth, job growth, and wage growth. Furthermore initiatives like this one insulate the country from strategic holes. The US goverment and tax payers most certainly get dividends on investment.
FenrirIII@lemmy.world
on 10 Apr 2024 20:31
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Growth in an industry drives tax growth, job growth, and wage growth.
That’s some bullshit. These places will pay no taxes, create the most minimal of jobs, and pay next to nothing. Then, when their tax breaks run out, they pack up and move to the next tax break.
Furthermore initiatives like this one insulate the country from strategic holes. The US goverment and tax payers most certainly get dividends on investment.
Someone is profiting from this, but isn’t the taxpayers.
BombOmOm@lemmy.world
on 10 Apr 2024 21:00
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These places will pay no taxes, create the most minimal of jobs, and pay next to nothing.
You are talking about a clean room chip fab here. They employ highly skilled labor that is paid quite well.
Then, when their tax breaks run out, they pack up and move to the next tax break.
Chip fabs do not just ‘pack up and move’. They are horrendously expensive to build and run for decades. The whole place is a clean room for an idea of how difficult these things are to build. Here is a video of a tour of one of Intel’s chip fabs.
thedevisinthedetails@programming.dev
on 10 Apr 2024 23:16
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They’ll make a new entity that extracts most of the profit while the production facility operates at cost or even a loss. Jurisdiction shopping is a thing even within the US.
le_saucisson_masquay@sh.itjust.works
on 10 Apr 2024 22:44
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it soars because the profit was near zero before and is now returning to “normal” (their competitor SK hynix made a 5 billion operating loss in one quarter last year)
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Why would we subsidize putting something so “mission critical” in a state openly calling to secede?
A lot of it has to do with Texas having the Gulf of Mexico ports all along the coast. It’s a big reason petrochemical refining is so big in Texas. Another plus for Texas is it’s abundance of land they can either buy or imminent domain. Now don’t get me wrong I’m not a Texas supporter, but it’s just one of those location based decisions I’m sure.
Not to mention if your a business in Texas you usually only get slaps on the wrist when you poison the environment. Worker safety? Mostly dependent on company policy with the main focus just barely making OSHA compliance. If the fine is cheaper than compliance, a lot of companies just pay the fine if it happens.
Because they’ve been grumbling about that forever and it will never happen unless the US government just up and loses its military.
There will never be the political and populace buy in for something like that to ever end as more than a compound of political extremists getting wiped out by the national guard.
The majority of the people in the military would be fighting with Texas. Our military is about as right wing as you can get.
This is patently false. Officers across all branches skew more liberal while Marines skew heavily conservative.
Because if they actually try they’ll be shot dead in the streets by hellfire drones. Texas doesn’t win against America. Especially not a gaggle of hicks who can’t even spell secede.
You’re saying they won’t succeed?
There isn’t a snowball’s chance in hell they’ll be allowed to that’s why. In the Texas panhandle is the Pantex plant, which services the military’s nuclear warheads. You saw what Uncle Sam did to the people who touched his boats, now try touching his nukes.
would be good if it were any where but texas!
Texas has a bunch of advantages for manufacturing. Lawmakers are willing to work with firms, land is inexpensive and available while at the same time having lots of available workers, taxes are less, electricity is fairly inexpensive, and there is a ton of barrier island protected coastline for shipping ports. America’s manufacturing rebuild cannot and will not happen in NY or CA, it is actively happening in places like TX due to such advantages.
If only they had reliable utilities. Samsung’s fab in Austin got shut down for a few weeks from ice-mageddon. Messed them up enough that they threatened to leave if Texas didn’t give them something to make up for it.
Also, the land is stable. For something as precise as chip mfg, an area that won’t earthquake is nice.
In oil country, the land may be getting less stable. Korean Samsung (and planet Earth) vs Texan oil barons, I wonder who Texas will protect.
Inexpensive what fuck you smoking?
Not to mention all of the slave labor from all of their incarcerated immigrants, and I'm sure the US will get a tax write off or something when they finally seceded.
Your missing another big part and that’s unions are hamstrung down there. A lot of places in the Midwest offer similar advantages, ports aren’t as good but you can still ship a lot on the great lakes, but they won’t go there because they’re afraid of unions.
electricity is inexpensive as long as weather doesnt fuck up the plants causing peak usage price rockets*
Except no water. Which last time I checked is pretty important for making fabs.
Taxpayer investment in private firms needs to come with dividends for taxpayers.
Yeah it’s wild that the US government will fund private projects without getting the same bonds or shares that private investors would expect.
Growth in an industry drives tax growth, job growth, and wage growth. Furthermore initiatives like this one insulate the country from strategic holes. The US goverment and tax payers most certainly get dividends on investment.
That’s some bullshit. These places will pay no taxes, create the most minimal of jobs, and pay next to nothing. Then, when their tax breaks run out, they pack up and move to the next tax break.
Someone is profiting from this, but isn’t the taxpayers.
You are talking about a clean room chip fab here. They employ highly skilled labor that is paid quite well.
Chip fabs do not just ‘pack up and move’. They are horrendously expensive to build and run for decades. The whole place is a clean room for an idea of how difficult these things are to build. Here is a video of a tour of one of Intel’s chip fabs.
They’ll make a new entity that extracts most of the profit while the production facility operates at cost or even a loss. Jurisdiction shopping is a thing even within the US.
cnbc.com/…/samsung-q1-2024-earnings-guidance-memo…
it soars because the profit was near zero before and is now returning to “normal” (their competitor SK hynix made a 5 billion operating loss in one quarter last year)