Luxury isn’t about price point. And last I checked, you couldn’t get a new tesla for 40k.
Saying that tesla is luxury is like saying that McDonald’s is fine dining.
Do yourself a favor and look up the comparable pricing for the ioniqs versus tesla. Tesla has always been overpriced (from factory) for what it offered.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 02 May 2024 14:21
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Yeah, they’re known for performance and AI features. You don’t get a Model S for comfy seats or the suspension, you get it because it’s fast and can drive by itself. Look at the marketing, it’s all about the 0-60 time and the self-driving.
The Model 3 and Model Y are about branding (dude, you’re driving a Tesla!), and the Model X is about form factor and almost everything the S is known for. They’re not competing with Lexus and Cadillac, they’re competing with Porsche and BMW.
NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world
on 02 May 2024 09:25
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Tesla has always been synonymous with cutting-edge technology.
LMAO 😂🤣😂
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 02 May 2024 14:16
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Have you seen the Cybertruck? Those edges can cut for days…
NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world
on 02 May 2024 14:29
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He he, good one :-)
I have seen it on screen only. Fortunately, I live in a country where such tinkerboxes are illegal on public roads (except when you go ahead on foot and pull the thing on a string behind you).
Buffalox@lemmy.world
on 02 May 2024 14:57
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Fingers vegetables and what have you. The hood took out 5 carrots at once with no effort!!!
So you’re just talking about the look of the car? Because BYD has been doing EVs far longer than Porsche, so if anyone is doing a rip-off of the tech, it would be Porsche.
As far as design goes, BYD’s aesthetics in recent years has a lot to do with them hiring big-shot European designers like Wolfgang Egger. If they’re pulling from the same talent pool as other top carmakers, it’s not so obvious why you’d accuse BYD of copying others, and not vice versa.
Hyperreality@kbin.social
on 02 May 2024 13:02
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The ford mondeo (I think it was called the fusion in the US) was 'inspired' by the Aston Martin Rapide. This was at a time when Ford owned Aston Martin. Fisker and Porritt, who worked at tesla when the model S came out, also worked for Ford/Aston Martin.
It's not just me either. For example, here's a ten year old thread on the tesla forum which mentions it:
Renault, VW and Hyundai have also increased their EV sales considerably in 2024 so far, while Tesla is moving down the lists.
So it’s not just Chinese cars taking over due to artificial low pricing. I think consumers are getting more comfortable with EVs in general. Tesla no longer have the advantage of being “first” or long range or being perceived as exclusive luxury or whatever drove them to the top in the first place.
Their design also looks pretty dated by now in my opinion.
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Tesla has never been known for luxury at all. I’d bet my ioniq phev was more luxurious and my 5 most definitely is.
For US Market maybe yes, but countries like China, Brazil, India or any Asian country $40k car is a luxury
Luxury isn’t about price point. And last I checked, you couldn’t get a new tesla for 40k.
Saying that tesla is luxury is like saying that McDonald’s is fine dining.
Do yourself a favor and look up the comparable pricing for the ioniqs versus tesla. Tesla has always been overpriced (from factory) for what it offered.
Yeah, they’re known for performance and AI features. You don’t get a Model S for comfy seats or the suspension, you get it because it’s fast and can drive by itself. Look at the marketing, it’s all about the 0-60 time and the self-driving.
The Model 3 and Model Y are about branding (dude, you’re driving a Tesla!), and the Model X is about form factor and almost everything the S is known for. They’re not competing with Lexus and Cadillac, they’re competing with Porsche and BMW.
LMAO 😂🤣😂
Have you seen the Cybertruck? Those edges can cut for days…
He he, good one :-)
I have seen it on screen only. Fortunately, I live in a country where such tinkerboxes are illegal on public roads (except when you go ahead on foot and pull the thing on a string behind you).
Fingers vegetables and what have you. The hood took out 5 carrots at once with no effort!!!
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If BYD weren’t stealing western designs I might consider them. They are saving a lot of cost from not having to do much RnD
Source? Or is it just a matter of “it has the same shape as a western car, and a steering wheel = omfg IP theft”?
Their current flagship is basically a 1-1 copy of some porsche ev
So you’re just talking about the look of the car? Because BYD has been doing EVs far longer than Porsche, so if anyone is doing a rip-off of the tech, it would be Porsche.
As far as design goes, BYD’s aesthetics in recent years has a lot to do with them hiring big-shot European designers like Wolfgang Egger. If they’re pulling from the same talent pool as other top carmakers, it’s not so obvious why you’d accuse BYD of copying others, and not vice versa.
Nah you don’t get it, the design is a 1 to 1 rip off. I’ll have a quick look to see if I can find the post.
Not the one I was thinking of but
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tychodefeijter/2016/12/15/how-a-chinese-automaker-can-clone-porsche-and-still-get-away-with-it/
If you’re referring to the BYD U7 vs the Porsche Taycan, they both look like car. Beyond that, eh.
The tesla model S looks like a decade old eurospec Ford Mondeo.
Certainly look more alike than a porsche and a byd.
Lol no it doesn’t.
The ford mondeo (I think it was called the fusion in the US) was 'inspired' by the Aston Martin Rapide. This was at a time when Ford owned Aston Martin. Fisker and Porritt, who worked at tesla when the model S came out, also worked for Ford/Aston Martin.
It's not just me either. For example, here's a ten year old thread on the tesla forum which mentions it:
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/ford-mondeo-copying-s-design.42767/
That is a different car brand, though?
It is, haven’t found the one I was thinking of.
If they are affordable and sold here I may consider them. Affordability and knobs and buttons are all I want.
If they make a small truck on top of that, I’d start saving today.
But I’m starting from zero knowledge, so this is all whimsical atm.
I would never sit my ass over several kilos of several-watt-charged chinese lithium, anyway. I don't want to be the brightest flame on the road.
Looks like a turning point.
Renault, VW and Hyundai have also increased their EV sales considerably in 2024 so far, while Tesla is moving down the lists.
So it’s not just Chinese cars taking over due to artificial low pricing. I think consumers are getting more comfortable with EVs in general. Tesla no longer have the advantage of being “first” or long range or being perceived as exclusive luxury or whatever drove them to the top in the first place. Their design also looks pretty dated by now in my opinion.
Tesla is in the process of failing unless drastic action is taken.
IDK Musk is taking pretty drastic action, but I suspect that will make it fail faster.
They need to fire more people IMO, but only 1 more.