PrivacyDingus@lemmy.world
on 22 Nov 09:48
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good point, I guess one worry here is about the way in which this will affect Firefox (note Firefox here, not the Mozilla Fdn who have managed to Elon their own thing without help, seemingly)
sorghum@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Nov 10:57
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I think Google is putting their eggs in one basket (Android) in preparation for them selling off chrome. They are already killing ChromeOS.
Android also becoming chrome OS in light of recent news of developing Android desktop mode and native Android compatibility with Linux apps, looks like they make hybrid OS that could do it all
antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 21 Nov 12:26
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I’m worrying that whatever gets sold (Chrome or Android) might end up in the hands of someone even more scummy than Google.
AWittyUsername@lemmy.world
on 21 Nov 23:01
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AWittyUsername@lemmy.world
on 22 Nov 12:35
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Someone needs to compile an annual league table of the scummiest companies and their practices for that year.
antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 22 Nov 00:19
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Chiquita and Nestlé come to mind. Within tech industry, I’d say Amazon and probably Microsoft are worse as well, and there’s probably a ton of potentially even worse companies lurking in the shadows outside the top of the economic food chain.
AWittyUsername@lemmy.world
on 22 Nov 12:32
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Id actually say Meta is the scummiest tech company thinking about it now.
VoterFrog@lemmy.world
on 22 Nov 00:28
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I don’t know man. There’s a lot shittier business practices out there than paying to be the default search engine - which is laughably easy to change on any browser. Like marketplaces and services that pay to be exclusive sources of content and then use the fact that they’re the only source for most content to force extortionate deals on content creators and enshitify every aspect of the end user experience. Just to name one.
AWittyUsername@lemmy.world
on 22 Nov 12:31
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Did you know that paying to be default search engine isn’t the only business practice that Google does.
Google has enshitified every single one of its products or deprecated it and then released an inferior replacement.
Is enshittification the scummiest thing you can think of? While other multinationals are paying for goon squads that kill people in other countries? While banks reorder daily transactions from largest to smallest so they can charge more overdraft fees, literally stealing from poor people? Even if enshittification is literally your biggest problem, you’d have to be living under a rock to think Google’s products are the most enshitified of all the garbage out there. You’ve never heard of anything from Meta? Amazon? Netflix? Microsoft?
All the big ones constantly trade blows for the no 1 spot.
theneverfox@pawb.social
on 22 Nov 06:13
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They would have to be more scummy and also at least similarly competent… Google can’t innovate for crap, but they’re pretty good at maintaining projects (when they don’t randomly kill them off)
If they stop work on chromium, or belief in the stewardship of chromium wanes, it’ll fragment the ecosystem again. Which is sorely needed at this point - we need to get back to standards and away from centralized control
Imagine Twitter/musk acquires them. Microsoft, Apple, and many other big companies directly or indirectly rely on a chain now controlled by a group known for mismanagement - are they going to wait and see, or are they going to diversify?
PrivacyDingus@lemmy.world
on 22 Nov 09:49
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Chrome, brought to you by Palantir, heck, what if Musk bought it?
if Google was to sell Android that would be like a nuclear bomb dropping. I mean aside from budget Android phones people are going more and more to apple devices just because of the stability.
And what’s to stop it from continuing to monopolize search engine usage just because it’ll be owned by another company? Wouldn’t whoever purchases it just continue operating it the same way, banking on the name recognition?
If Google does not set the price for 200 trillion USD and it can be really bought, then it will be probably M$ and they will change the search engine to Bing and integrate Coplilot or whatever the fuck it is called now into it.
Pretty sure that would count as monopoly as well and the sale wouldn’t be approved.
nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 21 Nov 15:39
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And I was pretty sure them aquiring Activision Blizzard would count as monopolizing but here we are.
chuckleslord@lemmy.world
on 21 Nov 15:56
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Did you consider that Microsoft lawyers said prices wouldn’t go up? Cause they did, they did say that, which is why the merger was approved. Do you think lawyers can just lie? Don’t you think it’s much more fair now that companies can make pinky promises that prices won’t go up before they become more monopolistic. That’s just good business for both customers and businesses /s
nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 21 Nov 16:17
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You had me bad in the beginning there haha, thanks for the chuckle.
Good news, but does someone more knowleagable of these things know the likelihood of a Trump DOJ derailing this? I am hopefully as the original case was brought in 2017 under Trump, and his relationship with Big Tech is at best strained, but I truly don’t know what to expect moving forward.
according to Cory doctorow (pluralistic), trumps gouvernement will likely selectively enforce antitrust, so the Google case would go through, but cases against, say, tesla would be dropped.
Takumidesh@lemmy.world
on 21 Nov 14:29
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Why does it need to be sold to another big company, why can’t they just break Google up so chrome becomes its own business?
jol@discuss.tchncs.de
on 21 Nov 22:39
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Chrome by itself would likely cost 100 billion dollars to sell, and then more to maintain, without any clear revenue except selling user data. Chrome is not a profitable product on its own. Not many companies can afford that.
The overwhelming majority of development to Chromium is done by Google and not the open source contributors to the project. Maintaining a browser is not something that can be done for free as a hobby. It requires an army of full-time developers to sustain.
Given all of the major browsers except Firefox are using Chromium, the best case scenario for spinning off Chrome is that Microsoft would pick up the lion’s share of development to keep Edge up to date.
This is the same reason that all of the major Linux distributions have large foundations to support them.
The DoJ would do less harm to the internet if they just forced Google to sell off Search instead. Then they’d be an advertising and cloud services company that happens to maintain a major browser to serve their ads.
pup_atlas@pawb.social
on 22 Nov 06:00
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There are multiple other browser startups in development that are not Chromium based. Like LadyBird (which is completely independant), and Zen browser (which started as a FF fork)
Ehh, I wouldn’t consider Safari “using chromium” at this point. It has been hard forked for years. Chrome could disappear tomorrow and it wouldn’t affect Safari development.
Safari is using WebKit. WebKit started as a fork of the KHTML and KJS libraries from KDE and has since been further developed by KDE contributors, Apple, Google, Nokia, Bitstream, BlackBerry, Sony, Igalia and others.
On April 3, 2013, Google announced that it had forked WebCore, a component of WebKit, to be used in future versions of Google Chrome, under the name Blink.
Source: Wikipedia
Google could pay chrome billions just like they pay mozillla and apple…
Besides it’s not like that’s really true anyway, chrome would make tons of money independently, it would just sell user data to Google or other parties instead of Google getting it for free. Chrome ‘doesn’t make any money’ because it doesn’t need to on paper, the same way a parking lot doesn’t make any money for a grocery store, but if a third party owned the lot, the grocery store would just pay them to use it, or the individual people using the lot would.
Chrome is the biggest browser and successfully collects data on billions of people, additionally, chrome development would absolutely be supported by all of the companies that build chromium based browsers like Microsoft, opera, brave, etc.
JoeKrogan@lemmy.world
on 21 Nov 14:46
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It will be another tech giant probably amazon or something.
Enshittification intensifies
SplashJackson@lemmy.ca
on 21 Nov 16:01
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The next day, the Chrome division is sold off to a new company “Bloogle” and we’re back to square dumb.
And before you think about applying for a job there, know that the new company is still demanding mandatory 5 days in the office
Well, it mostly already is.
The Chromium project is essentially everything Chrome already has, except Chrome contains a few proprietary components (IIRC the tracking is proprietary)
TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world
on 22 Nov 14:16
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Is there any company with the funds to buy this that would not become also a monopoly?
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to me, shaving Android off their business (suggested next step if this fails) would be way more impactful
Why not both!
good point, I guess one worry here is about the way in which this will affect Firefox (note Firefox here, not the Mozilla Fdn who have managed to Elon their own thing without help, seemingly)
I think Google is putting their eggs in one basket (Android) in preparation for them selling off chrome. They are already killing ChromeOS.
androidauthority.com/chrome-os-becoming-android-3…
Android also becoming chrome OS in light of recent news of developing Android desktop mode and native Android compatibility with Linux apps, looks like they make hybrid OS that could do it all
I’m worrying that whatever gets sold (Chrome or Android) might end up in the hands of someone even more scummy than Google.
Is there any company more scummy than Google?
Oracle?
Someone needs to compile an annual league table of the scummiest companies and their practices for that year.
Chiquita and Nestlé come to mind. Within tech industry, I’d say Amazon and probably Microsoft are worse as well, and there’s probably a ton of potentially even worse companies lurking in the shadows outside the top of the economic food chain.
Adobe sucks pretty hard as well.
Id actually say Meta is the scummiest tech company thinking about it now.
I don’t know man. There’s a lot shittier business practices out there than paying to be the default search engine - which is laughably easy to change on any browser. Like marketplaces and services that pay to be exclusive sources of content and then use the fact that they’re the only source for most content to force extortionate deals on content creators and enshitify every aspect of the end user experience. Just to name one.
Did you know that paying to be default search engine isn’t the only business practice that Google does.
Google has enshitified every single one of its products or deprecated it and then released an inferior replacement.
Is enshittification the scummiest thing you can think of? While other multinationals are paying for goon squads that kill people in other countries? While banks reorder daily transactions from largest to smallest so they can charge more overdraft fees, literally stealing from poor people? Even if enshittification is literally your biggest problem, you’d have to be living under a rock to think Google’s products are the most enshitified of all the garbage out there. You’ve never heard of anything from Meta? Amazon? Netflix? Microsoft?
All the big ones constantly trade blows for the no 1 spot.
They would have to be more scummy and also at least similarly competent… Google can’t innovate for crap, but they’re pretty good at maintaining projects (when they don’t randomly kill them off)
If they stop work on chromium, or belief in the stewardship of chromium wanes, it’ll fragment the ecosystem again. Which is sorely needed at this point - we need to get back to standards and away from centralized control
Imagine Twitter/musk acquires them. Microsoft, Apple, and many other big companies directly or indirectly rely on a chain now controlled by a group known for mismanagement - are they going to wait and see, or are they going to diversify?
Chrome, brought to you by Palantir, heck, what if Musk bought it?
if Google was to sell Android that would be like a nuclear bomb dropping. I mean aside from budget Android phones people are going more and more to apple devices just because of the stability.
And what’s to stop it from continuing to monopolize search engine usage just because it’ll be owned by another company? Wouldn’t whoever purchases it just continue operating it the same way, banking on the name recognition?
MS is both wet and salivating right now.
The buyer of chrome could make bing the default search engine and re-enable whatever broke Ublock origin (the ad blocker)
They could also cripple gapps and gmail a bit. It would also be harder for google to unilaterally develop new web standards.
That would no doubt consternate a few at Google and knee cap them forcing web shit down our throats that only improves their ad business.
If Google does not set the price for 200 trillion USD and it can be really bought, then it will be probably M$ and they will change the search engine to Bing and integrate Coplilot or whatever the fuck it is called now into it.
Pretty sure that would count as monopoly as well and the sale wouldn’t be approved.
And I was pretty sure them aquiring Activision Blizzard would count as monopolizing but here we are.
Did you consider that Microsoft lawyers said prices wouldn’t go up? Cause they did, they did say that, which is why the merger was approved. Do you think lawyers can just lie? Don’t you think it’s much more fair now that companies can make pinky promises that prices won’t go up before they become more monopolistic. That’s just good business for both customers and businesses /s
You had me bad in the beginning there haha, thanks for the chuckle.
Well he is called chuckleslord for a reason.
Imagine being a monopoly and still being 3rd place out of three in your field.
Good news, but does someone more knowleagable of these things know the likelihood of a Trump DOJ derailing this? I am hopefully as the original case was brought in 2017 under Trump, and his relationship with Big Tech is at best strained, but I truly don’t know what to expect moving forward.
according to Cory doctorow (pluralistic), trumps gouvernement will likely selectively enforce antitrust, so the Google case would go through, but cases against, say, tesla would be dropped.
Why does it need to be sold to another big company, why can’t they just break Google up so chrome becomes its own business?
Chrome by itself would likely cost 100 billion dollars to sell, and then more to maintain, without any clear revenue except selling user data. Chrome is not a profitable product on its own. Not many companies can afford that.
Well shucks, I guess it should just be made fully open source, the code distributed, and the business dissolved. Womp wooomp.
The overwhelming majority of development to Chromium is done by Google and not the open source contributors to the project. Maintaining a browser is not something that can be done for free as a hobby. It requires an army of full-time developers to sustain.
Given all of the major browsers except Firefox are using Chromium, the best case scenario for spinning off Chrome is that Microsoft would pick up the lion’s share of development to keep Edge up to date.
This is the same reason that all of the major Linux distributions have large foundations to support them.
The DoJ would do less harm to the internet if they just forced Google to sell off Search instead. Then they’d be an advertising and cloud services company that happens to maintain a major browser to serve their ads.
There are multiple other browser startups in development that are not Chromium based. Like LadyBird (which is completely independant), and Zen browser (which started as a FF fork)
That’s fair - I should have said major browsers to be more clear. Edited above.
Ehh, I wouldn’t consider Safari “using chromium” at this point. It has been hard forked for years. Chrome could disappear tomorrow and it wouldn’t affect Safari development.
Safari has roots in chromium? I thought it was WebKit or something else for it’s engine.
Safari is using WebKit. WebKit started as a fork of the KHTML and KJS libraries from KDE and has since been further developed by KDE contributors, Apple, Google, Nokia, Bitstream, BlackBerry, Sony, Igalia and others. On April 3, 2013, Google announced that it had forked WebCore, a component of WebKit, to be used in future versions of Google Chrome, under the name Blink. Source: Wikipedia
so its been awhile since they have been together.
Because chrome doesn’t make any money
Google could pay chrome billions just like they pay mozillla and apple…
Besides it’s not like that’s really true anyway, chrome would make tons of money independently, it would just sell user data to Google or other parties instead of Google getting it for free. Chrome ‘doesn’t make any money’ because it doesn’t need to on paper, the same way a parking lot doesn’t make any money for a grocery store, but if a third party owned the lot, the grocery store would just pay them to use it, or the individual people using the lot would.
Chrome is the biggest browser and successfully collects data on billions of people, additionally, chrome development would absolutely be supported by all of the companies that build chromium based browsers like Microsoft, opera, brave, etc.
It will be another tech giant probably amazon or something.
Enshittification intensifies
The next day, the Chrome division is sold off to a new company “Bloogle” and we’re back to square dumb.
And before you think about applying for a job there, know that the new company is still demanding mandatory 5 days in the office
Google doesn’t have to do shit. Ffs
I’ll give them 5 bucks.
They should make it open source
Well, it mostly already is. The Chromium project is essentially everything Chrome already has, except Chrome contains a few proprietary components (IIRC the tracking is proprietary)
Is there any company with the funds to buy this that would not become also a monopoly?