Is it really bitter if IPO is successful? Citron and other cofounders likely setup to get a massive payout when it IPOs.
Humam isn’t someone that will look after the company for many years. He is brought in to cook the books, and get it to an IPO.
wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
on 23 Apr 20:59
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Citron means lemon in various languages.
thatsnothowyoudoit@lemmy.ca
on 23 Apr 23:32
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What is success here? The few founders and VC get filthy rich as the larger population dumps their money into Discord stock while the users and teams with limited foresight, who’ve moved their communities to discord, suffer?
I mean yeah I guess that’s the success Cory Doctorow warns us about again and again.
But that’s not my definition of success.
For context I’ve been on the receiving end of an IPO and the founders and investors made out like bandits while a fair number of employees were stuck holding the bags thanks to lock-ins, dilution and over priced shares.
It is the LEAST intuitive UI of any popular app I’ve ever seen. I was recently trying to join a channel from a website that required a code to input, and absolutely couldn’t get it to work.
Edit: one interesting thing about their mobile app is when you use the GPS for directions, it changes where the audio comes from depending on what your next direction is. If your next is “turn left” then the instructions come from your left-side car audio.
It isn’t even a decade old… anyway, it got market share for a reason. It was immediately a big step up from other free offerings in ease of use, UI, and eventually in features too.
The comeback. I paid for a teamspeak server when I was a teen and used it extensively with friends for many years. As I got older I have only used discord a handful of times to talk to other people already on that platform. Discord has always sucked Imo, if it’s free you’re the product. That’s how it always has been.
I hope it gets even more shit so people will leave the platform.
UI/UX is just miserable at times, sometimes the client crashes if you’ve seen too many image/videos. The account creation and device pairing is jank as hell, took me more than 15 min to pair a new because the verification kept failing. Just overall i can bear with the jankiness but if i was an average user, I’d quit.
rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de
on 23 Apr 20:21
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SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world
on 23 Apr 20:29
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Oh wow, it can get shittier?
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 23 Apr 23:38
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CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world
on 23 Apr 23:55
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You’ve got upper management written all over you.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 24 Apr 00:31
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Close!
I used to compile all the high level analytics and projection reports for all the Vice Presidents and Board Members, but they didn’t even notice when I corrected a massive category of double counted revenue within a month of taking over from the person whose position I was taking over.
After a year of being absurdly overworked, doing the job of half of the IT department for them, so that I could actually access the data I needed, being hilariously underpaid, and becoming far, far too well versed in passive aggressive, buzzword heavy, actionable information empty, corpospeak…
I left for greener pastures.
(not Discord lol. did contract db admin type work for MSFT for a bit, then said executive reports for a massive import export firm… then nonprofits, serving the homeless)
We need fast voice chat though, i play tournaments for cs2 and apex legends. Haven’t tested jitsi speed yet vs ts3 or mumble, which was the main reason we never used discord to start with
I must admit I’ve never reamly benchmarked any voice chat application. One advantage Jitsi does have is the ability to do p2p calls, saving a couple dozen milliseconds of transfer time compared to going through the server. But how fast is the software itself? No clue.
Bro got replaced by some ex-Activision-Blizzard MBA zombie. Humam got 86’d/golden parachuted from Blizzard after only <2 years as “Vice Chairman”. Then a 1-2 yr gap.
Humam about to get another massive bag once labor force is cut, platform further enshittified, and corp books are sufficiently cooked/prepped for IPO.
It is, you aren’t wrong. But the invisible eye of corporate Discord is not the same. Discord makes you feel like you are in your own space. I found from the servers I am in on Matrix it feels, decidedly less like that. Revolt is a 1 to 1 replacement for discord that is lacking a lot of features. I’d push people to that over Matrix if they are used to discord and just want that again. I’m not even gonna mention Guilded to people.
Yeah I can see what you mean. Even if it is just a sectioned off bit of the glob of discord servers, a discord instance does feel like an island in a way that a matrix space does not. Last I remember using them it was still a little messy in ways that felt strange too. The real struggle is having folks to check them out with considering many of my friend group already had to be talked into trying discord lol.
Edit: I think I read two comments at once. I dont have the brain capacity to sort it out sorry.
I get that but that isolation you get in the “server” you make on Discord does make people feel they are on their own island. Especially tech illiterate people. You can get the same in Matrix. But the way Matrix does things is just different. And it feels like the spaces aren’t as isolated. Maybe thats just because I have only experienced Matrix through the admin side and Synapse
My main experience with it was setting up a little space on the matrix.org server. We could in theory venture out into the broader server, but never really bothered. So it definitely wasn’t exactly discord, but worked well for our needs of having a couple rooms and the option to hop into a persistent video/voice room with jitsi.
I’ve never touched the server side, but I am a little curious, especially with the QR account creation someone else mentioned. Not needing to walk folks through logging into another service, and instead just having it be a webpage they visit that stays working would be rad. How did you find running the server?
I get told I’m a Russian hacker when I post it and people are faced with my “did you download Element or some sort of client?” page. The QR was something we chose not to setup as it seemed to not work too well, at least with our server.
Running it is pretty easy, we have a little service in a space that we can send commands to and we dont even have to login to synapse. The guy making the real magic on the backend setup some sort of s3 buckets and that made data management a breeze. I like it, but discord user features still kick the shit out of Matrix.
Fair enough, yeah I might still dabble in trying it out if I find the time. I just hate adds and apps to a pathological degree, so if discord gets too gross I wanna know how hard it would be to jump ship lol. Thanks for the insights!
Anyone remember websites and RSS? Those were the days.
Why does everything have to get shovelled into someone’s walled garden…
(Speaking about updates and notifications here, not discussions.)
circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org
on 24 Apr 01:22
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It’s the walled garden thing that gets me. At some point, people got complacent. I’m 100% confident that there is an entire swath of the population which has never considered that Discord is a corporate entity with corporate interests. We made open standards for a reason.
Hard agree. Mindsets stuck in 2005 or before when cool and useful stuff was, just, free online. We were such summer children then.
Anyone still like that obviously shouldn’t be in charge of anything sharp or dangerous…
circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org
on 24 Apr 01:51
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But remember: the design and initial implementation of the internet was paid for by the populace. It is supposed to be filled with cool and useful, free stuff.
Corporate interests and “web 2.0” have turned it into a weird hellscape of misinformation and targeted advertising. It was not designed for it.
Everyone I know is like this. They love the corpos because their stuff is shiny and easy, and shoved in their face so they don’t have to learn anything. They have no clue how to use anything that isn’t Apple music, discord. Instagram, Snapchat etc. All garbage.
doorknob88@lemmy.world
on 24 Apr 00:07
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I’m a lazy dev and want to get ahead of this, where should I post my updates?
Khanzarate@lemmy.world
on 24 Apr 00:07
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sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Apr 15:09
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There are plenty of mailing lists with web-based archives, like lkml for the Linux kernel. Find a mailing list host you like and go to town.
circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org
on 24 Apr 00:37
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On whatever platform(s) you sell your games. The key is not expecting someone to sign up for a different service for your updates.
winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 24 Apr 02:29
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Or just have an open forum/place where you don’t need an account to get into some walled off bullshit.
circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org
on 24 Apr 02:33
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Sure. But the costs for implementing such a thing are certainly above simply using the tools on the platform on which the dev has decided to release their work. If they disagree, don’t release it there.
This idea that the consumer should do something additional besides giving you money is a nonstarter.
merde@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Apr 00:54
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rss?
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world
on 24 Apr 02:31
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Back in ye olden days you’d have your own website, a blog, or maybe a forum. It was indexable on Google and anyone could see and interact with your updates. If not for that there’s always steam.
Pfft we got rid of that yonks ago, now you just have to have an AI rewrite your documentation as a million shitty tutorials that are all search-engine optimised on different websites and hope the user finds one semi-legible.
It’s a piece of piss, literally.
Chadus_Maximus@lemm.ee
on 24 Apr 06:15
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…bluesky?
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 24 Apr 06:34
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Github (and alternatives), Fediverse, Reddit, Matrix
Maybe a blog like homepage powered by Cloudflare or Github
It was never good from the start, as a voice chat program, it’s miles behind ts3 and mumble, never liked discord, isn’t that what gamer pedo’'s use to get in contact with younger kids anyway?
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Apr 15:07
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Nah, it was pretty good when I used it some years back. I stopped using it before all of the nonsense people are complaining about, so at least for me I have a pretty positive perception. I even pushed to use it at work, which was awesome for productivity until my boss (the CEO) switched us to Slack, which was still decent, but a little crappier than Discord at the time.
I don’t know how it is currently because I actively avoid it for a variety of reasons, but it was pretty good at the time.
Idk why you’re being downvoted since everything you said was right.
I think it just got popular because younger gamers don’t know how to use computers, and Discord was easier to use than everything else. The client also looks much nicer than mumble, and overall has better on boarding. The mumble homepage for example looks like a developer site.
But accurate, Roblox and Discords willful negligence has been cited dozens of times, they don’t care.
desertdruid@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 25 Apr 15:56
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You’ll be surprised but a lot of young and not so young people find discord too difficult to use, they can’t wrap their heads behind the server concept
Similar to nitro for a user, but for a server as a whole. At various levels it add features to servers. Bigger files, more sticker slots, Banners, animated server icons, higher quality streaming, more options for invite links and how they appear…
I got nitro for higher audio quality so I could stream background music while running a DnD campaign over discord.
It also increases your streaming resolution and file upload size limit which is quite useful.
It also lets you use emojis from any server in any other server, which isn’t “useful” but is fun and I do it all the time.
For these 3 things I think it’s worth it. It’s worth noting I have a grandfathered Nitro plan that is more features than “Nitro Basic” but less features than the next tier at a cost that’s in between.
The real enshitification I’m worried about is the gradually increasing prevalence of ads in increasingly prominent places.
I got nitro for similar reasons but would up cancelling when discord sent ads to a friend of mine with my screen name on it, “why not join your friend _____ with nitro” or something.
Absolutely not, don’t use my name to shill to people I respect.
BigTrout75@lemmy.world
on 24 Apr 05:13
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Where am I moving my friends group? Revolt is nice but not quite ready for primetime / getting a rewrite, and I’ve always been iffy about matrix.
Is a signal group chat literally where we’re heading to!?
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 24 Apr 06:24
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Why iffy about matrix? You could always use mumble or teamspeak still
As someone who runs a Mumble server (and has for over a decade) – it’s really not a replacement for the user experience that is Discord.
People want a unified UI, the ability to create communities with some amount of customization, embedded/live content, plus voice and video so they can chill and play games together. Mumble is just voice, and while it’s a very good implementation of that, it’s not even in the same user space as Discord.
Matrix does have all of that, though? Except for voice.
I use matrix/element for socializing and Mumble for voice chat while gaming.
To respond to each comment:
Element is a unified UI, available on PC/Web/Mobile.
Starting and managing a community involves hitting the + button, creating a community, creating rooms in that community, then setting permissions and ACLs - pretty similar to discord, though with more control as you own the server.
Embedded content is possible through the embed button.
Video and voice work, but aren’t great for gaming (see below).
Element Call (aka the new MatrixRTC spec) is great for video calls, but leaves a lot to be desired for chatting while gaming.
Matrix has moved very very slowly and I’m concerned it’ll have the same fate as XMPP, where it’s a bunch of very complicated standards, with maybe one compliant implementation that nobody wants to work on.
I also don’t think it’s a particularly good protocol design for a Discord replacement, it’s not federated it’s a distributed message protocol, which is an order of magnitude more complicated and intensive than potential alternatives.
That said, many non-perfect things have achieved widespread success, so I’m at least hopeful that Matrix/Element are able to catch on in a wider capacity.
Matrix doesn’t have multiple standards, it only has the one? Certain servers expose older API endpoints for backwards compatibility with old clients, but that’s all. The spec is standard and relatively stable.
Likewise, it is very much a federated protocol - dunno where you got the idea that it isn’t.
But, yeah, spec changes do take a while to get accepted/implemented.
Standards as in parts of the spec, as you said in the original reply:
the new MatrixRTC spec
Which is a fork of the WebRTC protocol and another “standard” on top of the REST HTTP protocol.
I should have been more specific with my language, it is federated, but specifically messages (events) are a distributed DAG, and I find the Matrix protocol overly generic for a replacement for something specific like Discord.
The end goal of Matrix is to be a ubiquitous messaging layer for synchronising arbitrary data between sets of people, devices and services
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
on 24 Apr 06:38
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While matrix/element is still very much in development, it is improving constantly. A year ago i sometimes had issues with desynced encryption keys and now that never happens anymore. There is now a modern group call and screensharing system and the new ElementX mobile app which is much faster than the old app. Now there is also OIDC and in a few weeks QR code login will be released, so no more manually entering login and encryption key verification stuff.
QR code login is technically out, you just need to be running your own homeserver (and MAS) to use it.
But, yeah, exciting to finally have that.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
on 24 Apr 15:54
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You’re right, it has been released, but matrix.org and most other servers either havent activated QR login or arent using MAS. It will be sick tho, the demos make it look very fast and smooth.
SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee
on 24 Apr 11:22
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SMS/RCS
weariedfae@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Apr 12:04
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What’s wrong with matrix/element? We started running our own server for our household group chats and it has been solid.
yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 25 Apr 22:23
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Discord ruined what was left of online forums and so it’s users now deserve the full force of enshittification. It was so easy to join, how come it’s this hard to leave?
I dunno. There’s probably a discord group that discussed it but you are not in it so I guess you won’t ever know.
barryamelton@lemmy.world
on 24 Apr 10:18
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Element.
If you are missing something, talk to all those motivated people doing Discord bots or whatever, they can contribute to Element/Matrix. And it’s actually open source, they keep their contributions, contrary to all the work they have done for Discord for free.
I’ve got that in my group chats in Telegram but since we should all be moving to FOSS and decentralization, have you considered setting up Jitsi? It integrates with Matrix too. That already pretty much gets you most discord functionality that people care about.
loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 24 Apr 17:50
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If you think everyone using the Discord/Slack/Mattermost/Rocketchat/… generation of chat with inline image display and all those features, voice and video chat and screen sharing is ever going to switch to IRC at this point you are simply delusional.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
on 24 Apr 17:36
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Oh, I don’t expect it to happen, I’m just pointing out that it still exists and takes care of some of that functionality. I don’t think I’ve ever seen gifs, videos, or screen sharing implemented in IRC.
SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 24 Apr 21:41
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You could go to matrix
SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee
on 24 Apr 11:21
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Yea I saw the writing on the wall years ago. Why do I want a fucking client to talk to mass people. That is a shit format for more than like 6 people in a room.
weariedfae@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Apr 12:02
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It’s basically an old school chat room at that point.
SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee
on 25 Apr 00:59
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Exactly, and a terrible informational forum IMO
ZombieMantis@lemmy.world
on 24 Apr 12:44
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It’s hard to leave because it’s easy to join, and because it has the critical mass of users. Simple as that. It takes a lot to get people to abandon their chats, their friends, their groups, and the years of built-up message history, for an app that likely has fewer users and fewer features.
I don’t want more apps, I want to return to monke early 2000s web forums.
Glitchvid@lemmy.world
on 25 Apr 04:13
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Granted they’re not the growing and bustling places they used to be, but there are still both niche and “lifestyle” forums that are alive and stable. Other than this place, one of the latter is where I spend most of my online socializing time.
pulsewidth@lemmy.world
on 24 Apr 14:54
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Discord is just another social media site that has a whole lot of people fooled into thinking it’s not creating profiles on them for advertising. Gonna get real obvious real soon though.
I guess thats OK for community dev teams and stuff - like it works well, users can come and accesa the faq or support and leave. But it can leave a walled garden of data in there if they want to move elsewhere later though.
Larger issue is the people that share their whole lives there as a quasi-Facebook. That’s all getting hoovered up and sold to the highest bidder - alongside data like exactly what activity you do on your PC (processes running when and where for how long etc - Discord monitors a lot)
auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 24 Apr 17:03
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The names escaping me but there’s a site you can use that turns your discord into a publicly accessible website / archive.
Check out mautrix-discord too if you’re a server admin, you can puppet everything there and switch seamlessly.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 24 Apr 18:25
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A bitter end for this lemon.
Is it really bitter if IPO is successful? Citron and other cofounders likely setup to get a massive payout when it IPOs.
Humam isn’t someone that will look after the company for many years. He is brought in to cook the books, and get it to an IPO.
Citron means lemon in various languages.
What is success here? The few founders and VC get filthy rich as the larger population dumps their money into Discord stock while the users and teams with limited foresight, who’ve moved their communities to discord, suffer?
I mean yeah I guess that’s the success Cory Doctorow warns us about again and again.
But that’s not my definition of success.
For context I’ve been on the receiving end of an IPO and the founders and investors made out like bandits while a fair number of employees were stuck holding the bags thanks to lock-ins, dilution and over priced shares.
Welcome to enshittification.
Maybe he was out of juice
We need a decent replacement for this, stat. Once they go into IPO mode it’s gonna get real shitty, real fast.
I feel like it’s been shitty for a decade… personal view though, clearly people like it
Edit: well, for almost 10 years, maybe 9.
The UI/UX has always been absolutely atrocious.
Yess, thank you. Ugly, slow, frustrating. And pay to make it bearable…
Hold on, I’ve got 6 updates since you opened me an hour ago.
You can wait right?
It is the LEAST intuitive UI of any popular app I’ve ever seen. I was recently trying to join a channel from a website that required a code to input, and absolutely couldn’t get it to work.
I HATE the UI. It was made for iPad babies.
It’s the network effect that people like, just like every other social platform before it.
Same boat as many Gapps like Google Maps. No large market competitor to show users how much better it can be.
wego.here.com
Edit: one interesting thing about their mobile app is when you use the GPS for directions, it changes where the audio comes from depending on what your next direction is. If your next is “turn left” then the instructions come from your left-side car audio.
From a functional perspective it’s fantastic but it doesn’t make up for the incessant ads (even if you pay) and the lack of any privacy whatsoever.
Are you talking about the ads for nitro?
I don’t even remember exactly what they were for, but yes, that’s one of them.
It isn’t even a decade old… anyway, it got market share for a reason. It was immediately a big step up from other free offerings in ease of use, UI, and eventually in features too.
This is them going into IPO mode.
Matrix is a reasonable replacement.
teamspeak are also stepping up their game ive heard
The comeback. I paid for a teamspeak server when I was a teen and used it extensively with friends for many years. As I got older I have only used discord a handful of times to talk to other people already on that platform. Discord has always sucked Imo, if it’s free you’re the product. That’s how it always has been.
I hope it gets even more shit so people will leave the platform.
Sorry, what is a IPO ?
Initial Public Offering.
Its where a company offers stock for public sale, and gets listed on the stock market.
Generally this corresponds with a company pushing hard to maximize profits over other metrics like user growth.
Thank you
Yep lol, golden parachute deployed!
… For the pilot.
Passengers are still in the plane, lunch cart just came around!
Matrix is still pretty jank
how come?
(currently dont have the energy to look into replacing that too with all the other services im already in transition)
UI/UX is just miserable at times, sometimes the client crashes if you’ve seen too many image/videos. The account creation and device pairing is jank as hell, took me more than 15 min to pair a new because the verification kept failing. Just overall i can bear with the jankiness but if i was an average user, I’d quit.
Revolt?
revolt.chat
It’s open source too.
Oh wow, it can get shittier?
Welcome to Discord, brought to you by Logan Paul x KSI’s PRIME!
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You’ve got upper management written all over you.
Close!
I used to compile all the high level analytics and projection reports for all the Vice Presidents and Board Members, but they didn’t even notice when I corrected a massive category of double counted revenue within a month of taking over from the person whose position I was taking over.
After a year of being absurdly overworked, doing the job of half of the IT department for them, so that I could actually access the data I needed, being hilariously underpaid, and becoming far, far too well versed in passive aggressive, buzzword heavy, actionable information empty, corpospeak…
I left for greener pastures.
(not Discord lol. did contract db admin type work for MSFT for a bit, then said executive reports for a massive import export firm… then nonprofits, serving the homeless)
I already left, enjoy it for me.
We already have TeamSpeak/Ventrillo, and I think IRC is still a thing?
Matrix for chatting, when we need voice chat we use ts3. Been using it for so long now, I don’t understand the problem why people dont use it
You can integrate Jitsi to your Matrix too. If you have a client that supports it, you get both chat and voice in the same place.
We need fast voice chat though, i play tournaments for cs2 and apex legends. Haven’t tested jitsi speed yet vs ts3 or mumble, which was the main reason we never used discord to start with
I must admit I’ve never reamly benchmarked any voice chat application. One advantage Jitsi does have is the ability to do p2p calls, saving a couple dozen milliseconds of transfer time compared to going through the server. But how fast is the software itself? No clue.
Mumble?
Wait, there’s actually humans working at Discord? I thought the entire thing was run by bots.
“working” lol. He’s the founder and CEO, he collects most of the money.
I’m glad I’m too old to use Slack but for video games. I’d rather eat a bowl of hair than have more notifications.
Lol when introducing new employees to Slack who haven’t used it before I always say “It’s Discord, but for work” haha
I miss slack every day, teams is getting better but… Ugh
I mean… it’s teams. At this point making it worse is hard
Haha that’s funny, when I first had to use slack and discord, I thought oh this is IRC, just with extra crap
Bro got replaced by some ex-Activision-Blizzard MBA zombie. Humam got 86’d/golden parachuted from Blizzard after only <2 years as “Vice Chairman”. Then a 1-2 yr gap.
Humam about to get another massive bag once labor force is cut, platform further enshittified, and corp books are sufficiently cooked/prepped for IPO.
Humam - like human, but not really.
Rob Zombie: More Humam than hu-man! He left Activisiioooonnnn!
Kind of like how Marcus Persson was almost a person?
I get ads in my discord now. Revolt, Matrix, thats your queue.
Are those any good or better than guilded?
Probably not. Revolt is pretty bare bones but the customization is great. No video sharing.
Matrix is not something you can just set up with no skills.
But Guilded’s story is exactly the same as Discord’s just one chapter behind.
not everyone needs to host their own server. just choose an existing one that’s not matrix. org (which is basically overloaded)
You do if you want a replacement for “your own discord server”
Isn’t replicating this the goal of spaces? How are those doing on matrix?
It is, you aren’t wrong. But the invisible eye of corporate Discord is not the same. Discord makes you feel like you are in your own space. I found from the servers I am in on Matrix it feels, decidedly less like that. Revolt is a 1 to 1 replacement for discord that is lacking a lot of features. I’d push people to that over Matrix if they are used to discord and just want that again. I’m not even gonna mention Guilded to people.
Yeah I can see what you mean. Even if it is just a sectioned off bit of the glob of discord servers, a discord instance does feel like an island in a way that a matrix space does not. Last I remember using them it was still a little messy in ways that felt strange too. The real struggle is having folks to check them out with considering many of my friend group already had to be talked into trying discord lol.
Edit: I think I read two comments at once. I dont have the brain capacity to sort it out sorry.
I get that but that isolation you get in the “server” you make on Discord does make people feel they are on their own island. Especially tech illiterate people. You can get the same in Matrix. But the way Matrix does things is just different. And it feels like the spaces aren’t as isolated. Maybe thats just because I have only experienced Matrix through the admin side and Synapse
My main experience with it was setting up a little space on the matrix.org server. We could in theory venture out into the broader server, but never really bothered. So it definitely wasn’t exactly discord, but worked well for our needs of having a couple rooms and the option to hop into a persistent video/voice room with jitsi.
I’ve never touched the server side, but I am a little curious, especially with the QR account creation someone else mentioned. Not needing to walk folks through logging into another service, and instead just having it be a webpage they visit that stays working would be rad. How did you find running the server?
I get told I’m a Russian hacker when I post it and people are faced with my “did you download Element or some sort of client?” page. The QR was something we chose not to setup as it seemed to not work too well, at least with our server.
Running it is pretty easy, we have a little service in a space that we can send commands to and we dont even have to login to synapse. The guy making the real magic on the backend setup some sort of s3 buckets and that made data management a breeze. I like it, but discord user features still kick the shit out of Matrix.
Fair enough, yeah I might still dabble in trying it out if I find the time. I just hate adds and apps to a pathological degree, so if discord gets too gross I wanna know how hard it would be to jump ship lol. Thanks for the insights!
No problem, revolt is painless to switch to if you dont need video sharing. I prefer it to Matrix just for vidya voice chat its easy.
“your own discord server” was never a server, just a blatant lie, or “marketing” term. in matrix spaces are the equivalent (or similar) feature
Cue, unless you want them to get in line to do the same thing.
Yeah get in line and get installed on my computer.
What a lemon!!!
Fuck IPO imminent
Once Discord enshittifies, lazy devs won’t be able to say “follow our Discord for updates!” anymore.
Hopefully they move to element
Matrix?
I’m guessing so, since Element is perhaps the most popular Matrix client. There are others though.
Hopefully they just post updates on the platforms they sell their games on. I shouldn’t need to sign up for anything else.
Anyone remember websites and RSS? Those were the days.
Why does everything have to get shovelled into someone’s walled garden…
(Speaking about updates and notifications here, not discussions.)
It’s the walled garden thing that gets me. At some point, people got complacent. I’m 100% confident that there is an entire swath of the population which has never considered that Discord is a corporate entity with corporate interests. We made open standards for a reason.
Hard agree. Mindsets stuck in 2005 or before when cool and useful stuff was, just, free online. We were such summer children then.
Anyone still like that obviously shouldn’t be in charge of anything sharp or dangerous…
But remember: the design and initial implementation of the internet was paid for by the populace. It is supposed to be filled with cool and useful, free stuff.
Corporate interests and “web 2.0” have turned it into a weird hellscape of misinformation and targeted advertising. It was not designed for it.
Bring the internet back to 03 please. I beg of you
Everyone I know is like this. They love the corpos because their stuff is shiny and easy, and shoved in their face so they don’t have to learn anything. They have no clue how to use anything that isn’t Apple music, discord. Instagram, Snapchat etc. All garbage.
I’m a lazy dev and want to get ahead of this, where should I post my updates?
Email group
Who indexes that?
Can I view it on archive.org?
There are plenty of mailing lists with web-based archives, like lkml for the Linux kernel. Find a mailing list host you like and go to town.
On whatever platform(s) you sell your games. The key is not expecting someone to sign up for a different service for your updates.
Or just have an open forum/place where you don’t need an account to get into some walled off bullshit.
Sure. But the costs for implementing such a thing are certainly above simply using the tools on the platform on which the dev has decided to release their work. If they disagree, don’t release it there.
This idea that the consumer should do something additional besides giving you money is a nonstarter.
rss?
Back in ye olden days you’d have your own website, a blog, or maybe a forum. It was indexable on Google and anyone could see and interact with your updates. If not for that there’s always steam.
Pfft we got rid of that yonks ago, now you just have to have an AI rewrite your documentation as a million shitty tutorials that are all search-engine optimised on different websites and hope the user finds one semi-legible.
It’s a piece of piss, literally.
…bluesky?
Github (and alternatives), Fediverse, Reddit, Matrix
Maybe a blog like homepage powered by Cloudflare or Github
Do not use Reddit, it’s too ban happy
So what if you get banned? The person responsible should (IMO) create a dedicated account for that anyway.
I’d post as long as possible and if banned, I’d create an appropiate information on any other communication channel.
RSS
lol what, Discord enshittified years ago.
Lol “once Duscord enshittifies”. Bro… It happened years ago.
It was never good from the start, as a voice chat program, it’s miles behind ts3 and mumble, never liked discord, isn’t that what gamer pedo’'s use to get in contact with younger kids anyway?
Nah, it was pretty good when I used it some years back. I stopped using it before all of the nonsense people are complaining about, so at least for me I have a pretty positive perception. I even pushed to use it at work, which was awesome for productivity until my boss (the CEO) switched us to Slack, which was still decent, but a little crappier than Discord at the time.
I don’t know how it is currently because I actively avoid it for a variety of reasons, but it was pretty good at the time.
Idk why you’re being downvoted since everything you said was right.
I think it just got popular because younger gamers don’t know how to use computers, and Discord was easier to use than everything else. The client also looks much nicer than mumble, and overall has better on boarding. The mumble homepage for example looks like a developer site.
I got downvoted because 90% uses discord and I said only pedo’s use it to groom children ( which tbf is a bold statement)
But accurate, Roblox and Discords willful negligence has been cited dozens of times, they don’t care.
You’ll be surprised but a lot of young and not so young people find discord too difficult to use, they can’t wrap their heads behind the server concept
Does revolt have screen share with audio? What about noise filter?
Hey bruh u wanna buy nitro bruh. It’s the new shit bruh
What the fuck does Nitro even do, other than give you some useless emoji?
Increased file attachment sizes (10->50->100MB depending on tier, I think).
Cross post emojis from any server you are on.
Cross post stickers from any server you are on.
Higher maximum server count.
One free server boost.
Probably a couple more vanity shit. Yep, entirely laughable business model.
Now some dipshit is going to ruin it with capitalism
I like it, it’s just extra stuff and nothing essential.
It’d suck a lot more if they gated necessary features behind a paywall
Give it another year.
Start shopping for replacements now.
The different tiers are 50mb for basic and 500mb for the full.
The full one also includes:
Stream video in 4k at 60fps
2 free boosts and 30% off all boosts
Custom profile per server(different name, avatar, etc. for each of if you want)
200 server limit
4000 character message limit
Custom entry sound(and custom sounds everywhere)
3x free nitro for two weeks that you can gift to people
Tons of profile/avatar perks including animated banners, profiles, permanent quest rewards, badges, etc.
There’s also some discount in their shop.
What exactly does a server boost do?
Similar to nitro for a user, but for a server as a whole. At various levels it add features to servers. Bigger files, more sticker slots, Banners, animated server icons, higher quality streaming, more options for invite links and how they appear…
Thanks!
I got nitro for higher audio quality so I could stream background music while running a DnD campaign over discord.
It also increases your streaming resolution and file upload size limit which is quite useful.
It also lets you use emojis from any server in any other server, which isn’t “useful” but is fun and I do it all the time.
For these 3 things I think it’s worth it. It’s worth noting I have a grandfathered Nitro plan that is more features than “Nitro Basic” but less features than the next tier at a cost that’s in between.
The real enshitification I’m worried about is the gradually increasing prevalence of ads in increasingly prominent places.
I got nitro for similar reasons but would up cancelling when discord sent ads to a friend of mine with my screen name on it, “why not join your friend _____ with nitro” or something.
Absolutely not, don’t use my name to shill to people I respect.
There guess the chat app.
its gonna enshittify
Let’s be real, the enshitification started quite some time ago. Though I do expect it to get much worse.
Yeah, you are not even paying for minutes yet
Where am I moving my friends group? Revolt is nice but not quite ready for primetime / getting a rewrite, and I’ve always been iffy about matrix. Is a signal group chat literally where we’re heading to!?
Why iffy about matrix? You could always use mumble or teamspeak still
As someone who runs a Mumble server (and has for over a decade) – it’s really not a replacement for the user experience that is Discord.
People want a unified UI, the ability to create communities with some amount of customization, embedded/live content, plus voice and video so they can chill and play games together. Mumble is just voice, and while it’s a very good implementation of that, it’s not even in the same user space as Discord.
Matrix does have all of that, though? Except for voice.
I use matrix/element for socializing and Mumble for voice chat while gaming.
To respond to each comment:
Element Call (aka the new MatrixRTC spec) is great for video calls, but leaves a lot to be desired for chatting while gaming.
Matrix has moved very very slowly and I’m concerned it’ll have the same fate as XMPP, where it’s a bunch of very complicated standards, with maybe one compliant implementation that nobody wants to work on.
I also don’t think it’s a particularly good protocol design for a Discord replacement, it’s not federated it’s a distributed message protocol, which is an order of magnitude more complicated and intensive than potential alternatives.
That said, many non-perfect things have achieved widespread success, so I’m at least hopeful that Matrix/Element are able to catch on in a wider capacity.
Matrix doesn’t have multiple standards, it only has the one? Certain servers expose older API endpoints for backwards compatibility with old clients, but that’s all. The spec is standard and relatively stable.
Likewise, it is very much a federated protocol - dunno where you got the idea that it isn’t.
But, yeah, spec changes do take a while to get accepted/implemented.
Standards as in parts of the spec, as you said in the original reply:
Which is a fork of the WebRTC protocol and another “standard” on top of the REST HTTP protocol.
I should have been more specific with my language, it is federated, but specifically messages (events) are a distributed DAG, and I find the Matrix protocol overly generic for a replacement for something specific like Discord.
While matrix/element is still very much in development, it is improving constantly. A year ago i sometimes had issues with desynced encryption keys and now that never happens anymore. There is now a modern group call and screensharing system and the new ElementX mobile app which is much faster than the old app. Now there is also OIDC and in a few weeks QR code login will be released, so no more manually entering login and encryption key verification stuff.
QR code login is technically out, you just need to be running your own homeserver (and MAS) to use it.
But, yeah, exciting to finally have that.
You’re right, it has been released, but matrix.org and most other servers either havent activated QR login or arent using MAS. It will be sick tho, the demos make it look very fast and smooth.
SMS/RCS
What’s wrong with matrix/element? We started running our own server for our household group chats and it has been solid.
Movim (XMPP)
Discord ruined what was left of online forums and so it’s users now deserve the full force of enshittification. It was so easy to join, how come it’s this hard to leave?
Where the fuck are we gonna go?
I dunno. There’s probably a discord group that discussed it but you are not in it so I guess you won’t ever know.
Element. If you are missing something, talk to all those motivated people doing Discord bots or whatever, they can contribute to Element/Matrix. And it’s actually open source, they keep their contributions, contrary to all the work they have done for Discord for free.
Forums. Lemmy. Group Chats.
What does discord do that these dont bar create a barrier for use?
Voice chat and screen sharing
Like a phone call? Group voice chats? I would have thought tis was built into consoles and services, seems odd that Twitch doesnt have this feature.
I have only ever seen it used as a terrible forum clone where discussion sucks and security is poor.
Yep, or even a watch party (group voice chat with someone sharing his screen). You can’t do that on forums or lemmy.
Not sure about twitch, I only use that to watch streams, never to do streams.
I’ve got that in my group chats in Telegram but since we should all be moving to FOSS and decentralization, have you considered setting up Jitsi? It integrates with Matrix too. That already pretty much gets you most discord functionality that people care about.
Matrix?
Unlike Forums discord exists.
IRC is basically all the chat portions of discord.
Better though because you don’t need an account, and can gain a lot of anonymity via an eggdrop or vpshell etc.
If you think everyone using the Discord/Slack/Mattermost/Rocketchat/… generation of chat with inline image display and all those features, voice and video chat and screen sharing is ever going to switch to IRC at this point you are simply delusional.
Oh, I don’t expect it to happen, I’m just pointing out that it still exists and takes care of some of that functionality. I don’t think I’ve ever seen gifs, videos, or screen sharing implemented in IRC.
You could go to matrix
Yea I saw the writing on the wall years ago. Why do I want a fucking client to talk to mass people. That is a shit format for more than like 6 people in a room.
It’s basically an old school chat room at that point.
Exactly, and a terrible informational forum IMO
It’s hard to leave because it’s easy to join, and because it has the critical mass of users. Simple as that. It takes a lot to get people to abandon their chats, their friends, their groups, and the years of built-up message history, for an app that likely has fewer users and fewer features.
I don’t want more apps, I want to return to
monkeearly 2000s web forums.Granted they’re not the growing and bustling places they used to be, but there are still both niche and “lifestyle” forums that are alive and stable. Other than this place, one of the latter is where I spend most of my online socializing time.
no thank you I actually like chatting over a websocket connection instead of having to refresh a page every two minutes
Mutual hostage taking, you can’t leave because everyone is there, and they can’t leave because you’re there.
Only collective action can be organized to break this social trap. The easiest way is to require the garden’s walls pulled down.
But I’d be fine putting down the executive
“this hill was so easy to walk down, why is it so hard to walk up it?”
fyi discord had been enshitifying for at least 5 years now
they’re gonna make it a million times worse putting the activision blizzard guy in charge.
Please tell me you’re joking. I was just beginning to like some of the discord communities I’ve joined over the years.
Fuck that guy, seriously. Activision already ruined WoW, which I sincerely liked a lot for a very long time.
sadly no it was mentioned in here: theverge.com/…/discord-new-ceo-jason-citron-humam…
Ugh. Typical corporate bullshit.
Discord is just another social media site that has a whole lot of people fooled into thinking it’s not creating profiles on them for advertising. Gonna get real obvious real soon though.
I guess thats OK for community dev teams and stuff - like it works well, users can come and accesa the faq or support and leave. But it can leave a walled garden of data in there if they want to move elsewhere later though.
Larger issue is the people that share their whole lives there as a quasi-Facebook. That’s all getting hoovered up and sold to the highest bidder - alongside data like exactly what activity you do on your PC (processes running when and where for how long etc - Discord monitors a lot)
The names escaping me but there’s a site you can use that turns your discord into a publicly accessible website / archive.
Check out mautrix-discord too if you’re a server admin, you can puppet everything there and switch seamlessly.
Uh oh.
Uh oh.
Big uh oh. We had a good run though
Yeah, discord was very fun in its early days until 2020 and covid. 😆
They’ve been saving your data that whole time to feed into language models.
Did we tho
LLMs are about to get a whole lot more edgelord.