BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip
on 18 Jun 2024 00:49
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What an absurd, ignorant notion. Of course social media has a negative impact on developing minds, but forcing sites to display warnings would have zero positive impact. Browser extensions would immediately pop up to hide those warnings, and if anything, the presence of such warnings would increase kids’ use of social media, since the danger is something even adults had a hard time understanding and kids love to rebel against oppressive systems. The warnings would turn into memes.
The only answers to this problem are to break up and ban social media companies (not possible) or get parents to actually be parents and teach their kids about the pitfalls of social media.
doctortofu@piefed.social
on 18 Jun 2024 01:25
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Exactly - such labels would be ignored even more than the ones on cigarettes are, especially by the addicts. And it's so much easier to completely hide them too - adblockers already hide a lot of content people don't want to see, this would just become another line in the filter list so fast...
Except many advertisers don’t want to be associated with damaging things. So this has an impact on advertising revenue for social media companies and they would absolutely view this as a blow to their public image.
We need to break them up, and legislate against their practices for the future but this is something that can happen right away and hit them in their pockets
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
on 18 Jun 2024 11:15
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And right here is why I will never be on board with this idea. You don’t want to make people better at using the tech or companies to do a better job with it, you want your revenge on them. It isn’t about being greater it is about constraining success.
It’s really not about revenge. It’s about taking back power from corporations and giving it to the people. Right now, political power is with the highest bidder and these companies know it.
They are using the money from advertising to lobby and buy politicians, which is what stops us from having sensible regulations for social media. Taking away that revenue stream inhibits their ability to do this, so it’s a win for the people
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
on 18 Jun 2024 11:39
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And now you are backtracking. You didn’t say that in your previous comment what you did argue for was finding ways to hurt social media companies. Not able to support your revenge viewpoint you make it more diplomatic.
You don’t like Meta? Ok, I don’t care or blame you. No one has to like anything. But you can stop pretending that you suddenly care about people hurt by that company when you post a screed about your revenge fantasies.
As I said, it isn’t about making things better it is about hurting something you don’t personally like.
We need to break them up, and legislate against their practices for the future but this is something that can happen right away and hit them in their pockets
That was in my original comment. I was clearly making the point that the aim is to legislate against harmful practices. I don’t think most people need it spelled out for them why that is, or why we can’t do it right away but I’ve done my best to be patient in explaining it to you.
If you want to take a weird stance that I’m being mean to corporations that’s up to you, but I didn’t say anything vengeful let alone posted a ‘screed’
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
on 18 Jun 2024 12:10
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Not one word about helping people. Not a single word
Again… banning the worst practices of social media is to help people. I think this is a comprehension issue at this point.
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
on 18 Jun 2024 15:08
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Continue to lie
VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works
on 19 Jun 2024 16:48
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Yeah this is basically the older generation vs video games, the one before that against movies, etc, etc…
As people age they resent the world changing, they assume everything different is bad because it’s easier to accept than the thought of aging into irrelevance.
Lemmy is full of people knee-jerk hating anything new; social media, ai, and every new thing younger generations do. It’s dumb but people are often so.
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
on 19 Jun 2024 17:36
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Hate aging. I get to see the worst shitty behaviors they elderly did when I was a kid being imitated unironically by the new crop of elderly. No self-awareness and no ability to learn. It’s depressing, like watching the same personal mistakes being repeated forever.
Right @moon@lemmy.ml ? You remember being a kid and that old dude you knew screaming about skateboarding, right?
I think we need regulation, that doesn’t make me a person who irrationally hates children skateboarding.
Also skateboarding hasn’t led to and been complicit in genocide on two continents, but social media has in Asia and Africa. If it had, maybe you’d see people writing op-eds about that instead of social media companies that value profits more than human life
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
on 19 Jun 2024 20:54
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I am shocked that no genocides existed before Facebook! And for someone who now claims they want regulation I find it interesting that you wrote a screaming rant about wanting to break them up. Were you lying then or lying now?
Possibly the most obtuse person I’ve encountered on Lemmy
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
on 19 Jun 2024 21:20
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Sorry, you should ask for your money back grandpa.
VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Jun 2024 07:34
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Yeah it’s funny because they give themselves away so easily by refusing to admit positive social and personal effects and magnifying absurd arhuments against.
Like the other reply I always see them push the genocide ones, of course if you get into details they freak out because the accusation is kinda stupid - lemmy by design couldn’t do the thing they say Facebook should to have stopped the genocide so if you believe it’s valid and use lemmy you’d be being super hypocritical - but of course they don’t care, they’re reaching for criticism not actually trying to understand it.
It’s kinda scary really how little people care about reality, it’s the same thing on Facebook with the boomer conspiracy stuf, phones bad, kids not manly, and all that stuff. They’re not looking for truth or trying to make the world better, they’re trying to find excuses to feel superior.
Kolanaki@yiffit.net
on 18 Jun 2024 03:48
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If you’re gonna do that, you’re gonna have to start labeling other media. And people.
Aaaah, I would love it if people had to carry a visible law-mandated label saying “May contain bigotted and un-read-up (i.e. dumb), toxic opinions about all things” unless they pass some psychological exam.
Brave new world.
taiyang@lemmy.world
on 18 Jun 2024 04:31
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I don’t know about you but I’m going to have to keep my daughter away from social media! It’ll rot her brain and make her a tankie! (We are taking about Lemmy, right? /s)
Stern@lemmy.world
on 18 Jun 2024 09:24
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On one hand great, on the other, has the “Confirm you’re an adult” prompt ever stopped a curious young man who just learned the word, “boobs” from viewing adult imagery?
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
on 18 Jun 2024 11:11
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What’s great about it?
demonsword@lemmy.world
on 18 Jun 2024 12:41
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What’s great about it?
the boobs, of course
magic_lobster_party@kbin.run
on 18 Jun 2024 10:57
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This has the same vibes as old people complaining about things kids do. “Why don’t they listen to the radio and play with sticks in the woods like I did? Kids these days are just listening to rock music and reading comic books.”
Social media is here to stay and putting warning labels on it won’t do a damnest. Kids will still use it because the option would be not to be included in their friend groups.
boatsnhos931@lemmy.world
on 18 Jun 2024 11:10
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Im aware this would pretty much require all commercial tech products to carry one of these labels. To that I say good. Large tech firms have been weaponizing the computer illiteracy of the average smartphone user so they can normalize corporate malware. It’s so bad they’ve even made up new names for types of malware to make it sound okay:
spyware became telemetry
adware became targeted advertisements
vendor lock-in became walled-gardens
bootloaders and root permissions were perminantly locked "for security"
Rootkits where pushed under the guise of DRM, or even Anti-Cheat. Including google pushing rootkits installed by default to the most popular OS on the planet (Android/Google Play)
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
on 18 Jun 2024 15:16
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I got a good idea. Let’s put warning labels on gun owners. “Warning: potential school shooter”.
magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org
on 18 Jun 2024 15:46
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Regardless of how you feel about gun control, guns don’t actively work against the people who buy them.
They can certainly be used or kept in dangerous ways that lead to tragedy, but they do exactly what you tell them. They even come with a manual full of warnings, and a big giant label that says something to the effect of “READ MANUAL BRFORE OPERATING.” Many of them even have it etched into the firearm itself.
That is not the case with EULA washed legal malware.
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
on 18 Jun 2024 16:10
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Regardless of how you feel about gun control,
It isn’t about feelings. School shootings happen more in the US.
They can certainly be used or kept in dangerous ways that lead to tragedy, but they do exactly what you tell them.
And? So does cocaine.
They even come with a manual full of warnings, and a big giant label that says something to the effect of “READ MANUAL BRFORE OPERATING.” Many of them even have it etched into the firearm itself.
That’s good. As a former IT guy I know that the natural urge of humans is always to read the manual first.
That is not the case with EULA washed legal malware.
That’s sounds bad. You probably shouldn’t use it then. Notice how it doesn’t work for guns? No? Let me explain it to you.
You can choose not to be on Instagram, you can not choose to not be shot dead. The state requires me to send my kids to school but does nothing to require that they are safe at school from gun owners.
magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org
on 18 Jun 2024 17:13
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It isn’t about feelings. School shootings happen more in the US
I never said they didn’t, and that wasn’t the point of what I was saying? Those warnings are for the user, not those around them. How the fuck is the warning printed on a gun/gun box going to help victims?
You’re just attaching bad faith arguments to a completely unrelated statement which is bad for both free software and the anti-gun violence movement.
And? So does cocaine.
Recreational drugs should be legalized, with sensible regulations for each specific drug/category. Certain things should probably only be sold to people who are already addicted. But they should still be legal. Shitty point.
That’s good. As a former IT guy I know that the natural urge of humans is always to read the manual first.
You, me, and half of this site, platform, Fediverse? Point being is that the warning labels on guns are much louder, much more obvious, and much more present then the EULA most corporate software pushes.
That’s sounds bad. You probably shouldn’t use it then. Notice how it doesn’t work for guns? No? Let me explain it to you.
You can choose not to be on Instagram, you can not choose to not be shot dead. The state requires me to send my kids to school but does nothing to require that they are safe at school from gun owners.
No shit, but making a bad faith argument that does nothing to actually solve the issue is just sticking a spoke in your wheel. Please tell me how putting “Warning: potential school shooter.” on a gun is going to actually prevent violent gun crime?
If anything that sounds like a fucking advertisement for the sort of people who go commit school shootings.
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
on 18 Jun 2024 20:09
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never said they didn’t, and that wasn’t the point of what I was saying? Those warnings are for the user, not those around them. How the fuck is the warning printed on a gun/gun box going to help victims?
Same way it will stop kids from social media. You know not fucking at all.
Point being is that the warning labels on guns are much louder, much more obvious, and much more present then the EULA most corporate software pushes.
Didn’t address what I wrote. La La la
No shit, but making a bad faith argument that does nothing to actually solve the issue is just sticking a spoke in your wheel. Please tell me how putting “Warning: potential school shooter.” on a gun is going to actually prevent violent gun crime?
The same way it will stop the communist plot of social media to contaminate and unpurify our precious bodily fluids.
magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org
on 18 Jun 2024 21:13
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Same way it will stop kids from social media. You know not fucking at all.
Its almost like those warnings are intended to prevent accidental misuse and instill caution among its users. Obviously its not there to magically instill you with a working moral compass. Just as malware warning wouldn’t. There’s nothing new you’re adding, and again you’ve missed the point entirely.
Also what’s with the focus on kids and social media? My comment was specifically about the state of the commercial software/computing industry as a whole.
Didn’t address what I wrote. La La la
How not? Humans don’t always listen to warnings, the warning labels on guns are some of the loudest/most obvious out there, and for good reason. I don’t know if you knew this but people ARE MORE LIKELY TO READ OBVIOUS LABELS. Here’s an idea, next time you accuse me of missing the point, how about you actually show how? if you need an example look at the first paragraph of this comment.
The same way it will stop the communist plot of social media to contaminate and unpurify our precious bodily fluids.
Lmao, what the fuck are you on about? This isn’t about thinking of the children, this is about don’t attatch your unrelated bad faith arguments to my free software evangialism. I’m here to spread the good word of the AGPLv3.
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
on 19 Jun 2024 17:38
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Hey your gun nut buddies are making the AR-15 official gun of Michigan.
magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org
on 19 Jun 2024 18:54
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I like how you both completely ignored my points and went off on an unrelated tangent again. What makes you think I give a shit what some fuckin tools made the state gun?
if anything, I find it to be a tasteless display of reactionary bullshit. Adults acting as children. Basically in the same ballpark as putting warning labels on guns/manuals that read: “Warning: Potential School Shooter”
Neither your nor they have presented an actual solution to an issue. You’re just suggesting unrelated, reactionary bullshit meant to push buttons.
Its not that I’m pro-gun, or anti-gun. Its that you don’t have any meaningful suggestions, and you have no idea how to present a solution. You don’t even seem to be able to accurately identify other peoples political beliefs or the ideas they’re trying to express.
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
on 19 Jun 2024 19:30
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Well at least you have your bumpstocks now. You can thank your supreme court friends for that.
magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org
on 19 Jun 2024 20:32
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You’re probably politically closer to them than I am, you pseudo-conservative, milquetoast, incrementalist , neo-liberal fuck.
Where do you think you are?
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
on 19 Jun 2024 20:51
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I hate the neoliberals more than any other political faction.
Where is this anger coming from? You got your bump stocks.
magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org
on 19 Jun 2024 21:40
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The fact that you’re tying an unrelated position made in bad faith to a legitimate conversation about corporate malware and free software. That is what pisses me off. That is what this is about. That’s what this entire fucking thing is about.
I mean if you had at least talked about red flag laws, or limiting credit card-based purchases of weapons for buyers under 30 we could talk. Even then its unrelated and completely derails the conversation, but its at least an interesting talking point.
Its not about my beliefs about gun control. Its the fact you don’t fucking read what your responding to. Why should any one give a shit about what you post when you refuse to read anything other than what you’ve written yourself?
Fuck off with the bad faith arguments, half-baked replies, and strawman bullshit.
Not sure what in your broken fucking head makes you think I’m a conservative, or why it makes sense to compare me to them. You deserve a medal for reading comprehension.
Go back to eating crayons.
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
on 19 Jun 2024 21:45
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Is your Facebook page full of you trying to look macho while holding guns?
magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org
on 19 Jun 2024 23:06
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HELL YEAH BROTHER!
ITS FULL OF JUICY, MANLY GUNS!
ANY HANDSOME GUY WITH A NICE SET OF GUNS GETS A SPOT ON MY PAGE.
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
on 18 Jun 2024 15:14
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When I was a kid they just called modern Music and Pokemon the products of Satan. They didn’t have to dress it up in pseudoscience to justify it. I bet Vivek Murthy got butthurt on reddit and is now trying to take the ball home.
Get away with it to. No one ever gets punished for a moral panic. Janet Reno tortured a confession out of a 17 year old during the daycare panic and had a long fruitful career.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 18 Jun 2024 15:29
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It’s tabacco-like in that it’s a warning. It’s not tabacco-like in that there’s no science demonstrating definite cancerous harm.
OpenStars@discuss.online
on 18 Jun 2024 19:16
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Can we put one on Congress?
“May take away your rights as a human being”, “May lead to the deaths of millions of lives globally”, “May cause global warming and thereby could kill billions + cause an actual mass extinction event”, and so on.
pyre@lemmy.world
on 19 Jun 2024 07:49
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“extremely interested in your genitals”
OpenStars@discuss.online
on 19 Jun 2024 11:00
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That too. Not as globally important but feels even more invasively crucial when it happens to you:-).
Mrkawfee@lemmy.world
on 19 Jun 2024 14:12
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May suspend your rights to support a foreign country.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 18 Jun 2024 21:13
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So, let California be a lesson to you: excessive PSA warnings of things that cause health problems (e.g. Known to the state of California to cause cancer ) leads to the public generally ignoring the PSA warnings.
Putting a warning on social media like the warning on tobacco products will weaken the efficacy – and veracity – of the labels already on tobacco products.
Rekorse@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 19 Jun 2024 23:24
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This won’t affect tobacco in anyway. The only reason its in the conversation is because of the term “Tobacco-style label”.
Youll have to connect the dots better on how social media popup warnings would cause people to smoke more.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 23 Jun 2024 20:10
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Well, the California example is about too many PSA warning labels. So many things are known by the State of California to cause cancer that no-one takes heed of the labels anymore. Similarly Nancy Reagan’s anti-drug campaign (and Tipper Gore’s parental advisory music labels) only encouraged kids to do more drugs and listen to angrier music.
So it’s not that kids will smoke more (or much more) it’s that the labels will be more easily ignored when the government fails to be sparing in their use.
In an non-government example, when everything is a sin, then nothing is a sin.
Rekorse@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 23 Jun 2024 23:26
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Different groups of people, and different sub groups within those, react to things in different ways, and I think most would argue that the group of people who responded in the opposite way rather than getting along were not a detriment to the whole movement.
To your point specifically about California surgeon general warnings, quite a lot of people take them seriously, including myself. In most cases they aren’t off the mark by much if at all.
pyre@lemmy.world
on 19 Jun 2024 07:50
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what a stupid idea… actually regulate them you fucking cowards.
Isn’t social media just a distillation of the interactions innate in society? If exposure to social media is damaging that’s indicative of deeply flawed and damaging society.
Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world
on 19 Jun 2024 22:59
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The key difference is its sorted by an algorithm designed to increase your engagement and view duration. And quite often the easiest way to do that is by generating negative emotional responses, etc
Even with perfect algorithms I think it’s reasonable to expect problems within society to sharpen.
I mean if there was some theoretical social media entity completely disconnected from optimization for its own benefit then the people using that system would still have been provided the tools to do all their social relations faster, more often and with more intensity.
That’s gonna, and maybe I’m giving away the game here, uh, heighten the contradictions.
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What an absurd, ignorant notion. Of course social media has a negative impact on developing minds, but forcing sites to display warnings would have zero positive impact. Browser extensions would immediately pop up to hide those warnings, and if anything, the presence of such warnings would increase kids’ use of social media, since the danger is something even adults had a hard time understanding and kids love to rebel against oppressive systems. The warnings would turn into memes.
The only answers to this problem are to break up and ban social media companies (not possible) or get parents to actually be parents and teach their kids about the pitfalls of social media.
Exactly - such labels would be ignored even more than the ones on cigarettes are, especially by the addicts. And it's so much easier to completely hide them too - adblockers already hide a lot of content people don't want to see, this would just become another line in the filter list so fast...
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It’s pr. Same usual political dumb shit that doesn’t do anything but make a dipshit look good to dumbass.
The benefit of the doubt is that they might mean well but they probably don’t.
Also not possible
Except many advertisers don’t want to be associated with damaging things. So this has an impact on advertising revenue for social media companies and they would absolutely view this as a blow to their public image.
We need to break them up, and legislate against their practices for the future but this is something that can happen right away and hit them in their pockets
And right here is why I will never be on board with this idea. You don’t want to make people better at using the tech or companies to do a better job with it, you want your revenge on them. It isn’t about being greater it is about constraining success.
It’s really not about revenge. It’s about taking back power from corporations and giving it to the people. Right now, political power is with the highest bidder and these companies know it.
They are using the money from advertising to lobby and buy politicians, which is what stops us from having sensible regulations for social media. Taking away that revenue stream inhibits their ability to do this, so it’s a win for the people
And now you are backtracking. You didn’t say that in your previous comment what you did argue for was finding ways to hurt social media companies. Not able to support your revenge viewpoint you make it more diplomatic.
You don’t like Meta? Ok, I don’t care or blame you. No one has to like anything. But you can stop pretending that you suddenly care about people hurt by that company when you post a screed about your revenge fantasies.
As I said, it isn’t about making things better it is about hurting something you don’t personally like.
That was in my original comment. I was clearly making the point that the aim is to legislate against harmful practices. I don’t think most people need it spelled out for them why that is, or why we can’t do it right away but I’ve done my best to be patient in explaining it to you.
If you want to take a weird stance that I’m being mean to corporations that’s up to you, but I didn’t say anything vengeful let alone posted a ‘screed’
Not one word about helping people. Not a single word
Again… banning the worst practices of social media is to help people. I think this is a comprehension issue at this point.
Continue to lie
Yeah this is basically the older generation vs video games, the one before that against movies, etc, etc…
As people age they resent the world changing, they assume everything different is bad because it’s easier to accept than the thought of aging into irrelevance.
Lemmy is full of people knee-jerk hating anything new; social media, ai, and every new thing younger generations do. It’s dumb but people are often so.
Hate aging. I get to see the worst shitty behaviors they elderly did when I was a kid being imitated unironically by the new crop of elderly. No self-awareness and no ability to learn. It’s depressing, like watching the same personal mistakes being repeated forever.
Right @moon@lemmy.ml ? You remember being a kid and that old dude you knew screaming about skateboarding, right?
I think we need regulation, that doesn’t make me a person who irrationally hates children skateboarding.
Also skateboarding hasn’t led to and been complicit in genocide on two continents, but social media has in Asia and Africa. If it had, maybe you’d see people writing op-eds about that instead of social media companies that value profits more than human life
I am shocked that no genocides existed before Facebook! And for someone who now claims they want regulation I find it interesting that you wrote a screaming rant about wanting to break them up. Were you lying then or lying now?
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Possibly the most obtuse person I’ve encountered on Lemmy
Sorry, you should ask for your money back grandpa.
Yeah it’s funny because they give themselves away so easily by refusing to admit positive social and personal effects and magnifying absurd arhuments against.
Like the other reply I always see them push the genocide ones, of course if you get into details they freak out because the accusation is kinda stupid - lemmy by design couldn’t do the thing they say Facebook should to have stopped the genocide so if you believe it’s valid and use lemmy you’d be being super hypocritical - but of course they don’t care, they’re reaching for criticism not actually trying to understand it.
It’s kinda scary really how little people care about reality, it’s the same thing on Facebook with the boomer conspiracy stuf, phones bad, kids not manly, and all that stuff. They’re not looking for truth or trying to make the world better, they’re trying to find excuses to feel superior.
If you’re gonna do that, you’re gonna have to start labeling other media. And people.
Aaaah, I would love it if people had to carry a visible law-mandated label saying “May contain bigotted and un-read-up (i.e. dumb), toxic opinions about all things” unless they pass some psychological exam.
Brave new world.
I don’t know about you but I’m going to have to keep my daughter away from social media! It’ll rot her brain and make her a tankie! (We are taking about Lemmy, right? /s)
On one hand great, on the other, has the “Confirm you’re an adult” prompt ever stopped a curious young man who just learned the word, “boobs” from viewing adult imagery?
What’s great about it?
the boobs, of course
This has the same vibes as old people complaining about things kids do. “Why don’t they listen to the radio and play with sticks in the woods like I did? Kids these days are just listening to rock music and reading comic books.”
Social media is here to stay and putting warning labels on it won’t do a damnest. Kids will still use it because the option would be not to be included in their friend groups.
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No but there should be “Malicious by Design” stickers for:
Im aware this would pretty much require all commercial tech products to carry one of these labels. To that I say good. Large tech firms have been weaponizing the computer illiteracy of the average smartphone user so they can normalize corporate malware. It’s so bad they’ve even made up new names for types of malware to make it sound okay:
I got a good idea. Let’s put warning labels on gun owners. “Warning: potential school shooter”.
Regardless of how you feel about gun control, guns don’t actively work against the people who buy them.
They can certainly be used or kept in dangerous ways that lead to tragedy, but they do exactly what you tell them. They even come with a manual full of warnings, and a big giant label that says something to the effect of “READ MANUAL BRFORE OPERATING.” Many of them even have it etched into the firearm itself.
That is not the case with EULA washed legal malware.
It isn’t about feelings. School shootings happen more in the US.
And? So does cocaine.
That’s good. As a former IT guy I know that the natural urge of humans is always to read the manual first.
That’s sounds bad. You probably shouldn’t use it then. Notice how it doesn’t work for guns? No? Let me explain it to you.
You can choose not to be on Instagram, you can not choose to not be shot dead. The state requires me to send my kids to school but does nothing to require that they are safe at school from gun owners.
I never said they didn’t, and that wasn’t the point of what I was saying? Those warnings are for the user, not those around them. How the fuck is the warning printed on a gun/gun box going to help victims?
You’re just attaching bad faith arguments to a completely unrelated statement which is bad for both free software and the anti-gun violence movement.
Recreational drugs should be legalized, with sensible regulations for each specific drug/category. Certain things should probably only be sold to people who are already addicted. But they should still be legal. Shitty point.
You, me, and half of this
site,platform, Fediverse? Point being is that the warning labels on guns are much louder, much more obvious, and much more present then the EULA most corporate software pushes.No shit, but making a bad faith argument that does nothing to actually solve the issue is just sticking a spoke in your wheel. Please tell me how putting “Warning: potential school shooter.” on a gun is going to actually prevent violent gun crime?
If anything that sounds like a fucking advertisement for the sort of people who go commit school shootings.
Same way it will stop kids from social media. You know not fucking at all.
Didn’t address what I wrote. La La la
The same way it will stop the communist plot of social media to contaminate and unpurify our precious bodily fluids.
Its almost like those warnings are intended to prevent accidental misuse and instill caution among its users. Obviously its not there to magically instill you with a working moral compass. Just as malware warning wouldn’t. There’s nothing new you’re adding, and again you’ve missed the point entirely.
Also what’s with the focus on kids and social media? My comment was specifically about the state of the commercial software/computing industry as a whole.
How not? Humans don’t always listen to warnings, the warning labels on guns are some of the loudest/most obvious out there, and for good reason. I don’t know if you knew this but people ARE MORE LIKELY TO READ OBVIOUS LABELS. Here’s an idea, next time you accuse me of missing the point, how about you actually show how? if you need an example look at the first paragraph of this comment.
Lmao, what the fuck are you on about? This isn’t about thinking of the children, this is about don’t attatch your unrelated bad faith arguments to my free software evangialism. I’m here to spread the good word of the AGPLv3.
Hey your gun nut buddies are making the AR-15 official gun of Michigan.
I like how you both completely ignored my points and went off on an unrelated tangent again. What makes you think I give a shit what some fuckin tools made the state gun?
if anything, I find it to be a tasteless display of reactionary bullshit. Adults acting as children. Basically in the same ballpark as putting warning labels on guns/manuals that read: “Warning: Potential School Shooter”
Neither your nor they have presented an actual solution to an issue. You’re just suggesting unrelated, reactionary bullshit meant to push buttons.
Its not that I’m pro-gun, or anti-gun. Its that you don’t have any meaningful suggestions, and you have no idea how to present a solution. You don’t even seem to be able to accurately identify other peoples political beliefs or the ideas they’re trying to express.
Well at least you have your bumpstocks now. You can thank your supreme court friends for that.
You’re probably politically closer to them than I am, you pseudo-conservative, milquetoast, incrementalist , neo-liberal fuck.
Where do you think you are?
I hate the neoliberals more than any other political faction.
Where is this anger coming from? You got your bump stocks.
The fact that you’re tying an unrelated position made in bad faith to a legitimate conversation about corporate malware and free software. That is what pisses me off. That is what this is about. That’s what this entire fucking thing is about.
I mean if you had at least talked about red flag laws, or limiting credit card-based purchases of weapons for buyers under 30 we could talk. Even then its unrelated and completely derails the conversation, but its at least an interesting talking point.
Its not about my beliefs about gun control. Its the fact you don’t fucking read what your responding to. Why should any one give a shit about what you post when you refuse to read anything other than what you’ve written yourself?
Fuck off with the bad faith arguments, half-baked replies, and strawman bullshit.
Not sure what in your broken fucking head makes you think I’m a conservative, or why it makes sense to compare me to them. You deserve a medal for reading comprehension.
Go back to eating crayons.
Is your Facebook page full of you trying to look macho while holding guns?
HELL YEAH BROTHER!
ITS FULL OF JUICY, MANLY GUNS!
ANY HANDSOME GUY WITH A NICE SET OF GUNS GETS A SPOT ON MY PAGE.
When I was a kid they just called modern Music and Pokemon the products of Satan. They didn’t have to dress it up in pseudoscience to justify it. I bet Vivek Murthy got butthurt on reddit and is now trying to take the ball home.
Get away with it to. No one ever gets punished for a moral panic. Janet Reno tortured a confession out of a 17 year old during the daycare panic and had a long fruitful career.
It’s tabacco-like in that it’s a warning. It’s not tabacco-like in that there’s no science demonstrating definite cancerous harm.
Can we put one on Congress?
“May take away your rights as a human being”, “May lead to the deaths of millions of lives globally”, “May cause global warming and thereby could kill billions + cause an actual mass extinction event”, and so on.
“extremely interested in your genitals”
That too. Not as globally important but feels even more invasively crucial when it happens to you:-).
May suspend your rights to support a foreign country.
So, let California be a lesson to you: excessive PSA warnings of things that cause health problems (e.g. Known to the state of California to cause cancer ) leads to the public generally ignoring the PSA warnings.
Putting a warning on social media like the warning on tobacco products will weaken the efficacy – and veracity – of the labels already on tobacco products.
This won’t affect tobacco in anyway. The only reason its in the conversation is because of the term “Tobacco-style label”.
Youll have to connect the dots better on how social media popup warnings would cause people to smoke more.
Well, the California example is about too many PSA warning labels. So many things are known by the State of California to cause cancer that no-one takes heed of the labels anymore. Similarly Nancy Reagan’s anti-drug campaign (and Tipper Gore’s parental advisory music labels) only encouraged kids to do more drugs and listen to angrier music.
So it’s not that kids will smoke more (or much more) it’s that the labels will be more easily ignored when the government fails to be sparing in their use.
In an non-government example, when everything is a sin, then nothing is a sin.
Different groups of people, and different sub groups within those, react to things in different ways, and I think most would argue that the group of people who responded in the opposite way rather than getting along were not a detriment to the whole movement.
To your point specifically about California surgeon general warnings, quite a lot of people take them seriously, including myself. In most cases they aren’t off the mark by much if at all.
what a stupid idea… actually regulate them you fucking cowards.
Isn’t social media just a distillation of the interactions innate in society? If exposure to social media is damaging that’s indicative of deeply flawed and damaging society.
The key difference is its sorted by an algorithm designed to increase your engagement and view duration. And quite often the easiest way to do that is by generating negative emotional responses, etc
Even with perfect algorithms I think it’s reasonable to expect problems within society to sharpen.
I mean if there was some theoretical social media entity completely disconnected from optimization for its own benefit then the people using that system would still have been provided the tools to do all their social relations faster, more often and with more intensity.
That’s gonna, and maybe I’m giving away the game here, uh, heighten the contradictions.