Well yes. You obviously still can’t say “le dollar bean” without getting nuked from orbit. YouTube is a goodly Christian corporation after all, can’t have such content.
Are you implying you don’t use YT at all? Or you use it and choose to be unhappy with it?
Just curious, I often get mad because they need to censor words, but not to the degrees to say 'fuck this place" and move to the other (unborn) alternative.
Yes they are, some from the very conception of YouTube perhaps, but they are not real alternatives a real alternative would be one where all your subscriptions also upload the same content there, it is totally not YT based and you get the same or similar ecosystem Google provides, I don’t think too many channels fit this.
I mean, if your requirement for a youtube alternative is that it's as big as YouTube, you're just guaranteeing that there will never be a YouTube alternative...
Yeah perhaps, we are here on Lemmy after all, which I consider a Reddit alternative, but with YouTube the thing is different because we follow individuals, and here we follow subjects, hopefully somebody can truly stand out against Google in the video field, a movement big enough to motivate content creators to check it out, the last thing I hear was about Odysee, which I think is a step in the right direction.
Yep. It’s exactly what Facebook did not long ago. It’s just the most open oligarchy you can imagine, just consolidating their interests to push fascism at full throttle.
Its gonna be interesting, knowing some world cup is gonna happen on US soil as well.
almost all the right wing contents get pushed to the front. there are some that are also rw that is buried by the algorithim, because they are loud mouths, i wonder if this will change for them too.,
latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 11 Jun 18:29
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They really are killin’ everything, aren’t they…
acosmichippo@lemmy.world
on 11 Jun 18:48
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Videos are allowed if “freedom of expression value may outweigh harm risk”
oh it’s that easy huh. why didn’t we think of this before lol.
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com
on 11 Jun 18:56
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Do people still have to say unalive?
Censorship is goddamn stupid.
They should just tag content & let people decide what to filter.
First off it was Tiktok, not YouTube, that started the “unalived” trend, but even then make no mistake, “killed,” “murdered,” “died,” etc has never been banned on tiktok either.
What has been happening is that videos (on tiktok) with “potentially divisive content” are not being promoted by tiktok. You video will not get removed just for saying the word “killed” and will still be fully available for viewing by your followers, it just won’t be promoted on the For You page for strangers.
And it’s fine if you still object to this, but we have to stop conflating the two. Not being promoting is not the same thing as being censored.
Edit: I don’t know who downvoted this or why, but I’m right
Neither content policy (youtube or tiktok) clearly lays out rules on those words.
I only find unverified claims: some write it started at YouTube, others claim TikTok.
They claim YouTube demonetizes & TikTok shadowbans.
They generally agree content restrictions by these platforms led to the propagation of circumspect shit like unalive & SA.
Generally, censorship is suppression of expression.
Censorship doesn’t exclusively mean content removal, though they’re doing that, too.
(Digression: revisionism & whitewashing are forms of censorship.)
Regardless of how they censor or induce self-censorship, they’re chilling inoffensive language pointlessly.
While as private entities they are free to moderate as they please, it’s unnecessary & the effect is an obnoxious affront on self-expression that’s contorting language for the sake of avoiding idiotic restrictions.
Dindonmasker@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Jun 19:05
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I’m gessing that’s not gonna positively impact the people i watch and instead go towards some dumb shits.
“Muh freedums profit” outweighs life. The silent bit spoken aloud. Cool cool.
As expected from this timeline and this garbage conglomerate.
propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe
on 11 Jun 21:07
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Good. I don’t really care about youtube, but less censorship is always a good thing.
How can you people say you respect science when you support silencing any criticism of it? That’s not science. That’s religion.
That said, this criteria clearly only exists to protect “influencers” who make youtube a proportional amount of money. If you have a channel with very little traffic and you say something controversial, you’d better believe your “freedom of expression value” will not be high enough to outweigh the corporation’s perceived “harm risk.”
It’s likely going to be selective censorship, i.e. Nazi cunts stay, criticism of said Nazi cunts will go.
propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe
on 12 Jun 11:03
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You must be living in a bubble if you truly believe that.
throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Jun 21:14
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Can we talk about adblockers, or is that still somehow worse than nazi shit?
Btw they removed a popular Youtuber’s “Degoogle Your Life” series lmfao (Linus Tech Tips). But a far-right thinnly-veiled racist video? All a’okay according to Google.
answersplease77@lemmy.world
on 11 Jun 21:45
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youtube shadowbanning, demonitization and censorship is the most retarded shit that’s ever happened to the internet. the whole website is videos and comments of people who cater to kids and commercial advertisers and cant say shit.
randon31415@lemmy.world
on 11 Jun 22:11
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We will (still) allow children’s cartoon characters to be mutilated and put into explicit situations and then push them as child friendly, but how dare you use a swear in the first 15 seconds of a video or say the work kill.
devolution@lemmy.world
on 11 Jun 22:42
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Intention: YouTubers can stop with the whole self censoring shit.
Example: Unaliving; PDF file; grape; etc.
Reality: Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh, and other right wing grifters receive zero censorship while YouTubers still have to self censor to receive monetization.
How long before Google locks YT down to loading only on Chrome, and only on Windows, Mac, ChromeOS, or Android, and only without ad blockers of any kind, including hardware ad blockers like PiHole being implemented anywhere, and straight-up blocking it from loading at all on non-Chrome browsers (to also include other Chromium browsers) and on Linux or iOS, and enforcing TPM2 and SecureBoot mandates for authentication, and blocking downloading and re-uploading of YT vids, using DRM?
Basically, I wouldn’t put it above them to ensure their video platform only runs on their browser, and only on hardware that they deem worthy of running it, even if it means somehow implementing a Vanguard-style rootkit. Something else I wouldn’t put it past Google to try, is completely discontinuing the YT browser client and fully locking the API down to the official app, and still implementing a Vanguard-style rootkit on that.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works
on 12 Jun 13:23
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don’t worry, they didn’t abandon it. they have continued development hidden from sight in the android version of the chromium engine
mctoasterson@reddthat.com
on 12 Jun 03:32
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They won’t ever say it out loud but they have always removed videos for mentioning alternative frontends or other technology they view as direct threats to their revenue stream.
Actual reality: Right-wing grifters are already on a “whitelist”, as long as they also talk about lower taxes, lessening regulations and worker’s protections, and also got popular enough. Source: knew a former moderator for Google.
whitelist vs discovered the algorithm, same thing really.
flop_leash_973@lemmy.world
on 11 Jun 23:02
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See the issue here is Google/Youtube still get to be the ones to decide what “may outweigh the harm risk”. And the answer I bet will usually be whichever one serves their financial interests.
Which on one hand sure, it is their platform after all. But don’t do me dry and claim you used lube.
I still wouldn’t trust Google not to nuke my channel on a whim even in spite of those relaxed moderation rules. What’s stopping a little bribe from the right company or political party from causing them to backpedal or even tighten their grip further?
This is why one should at least mirror their content to PeerTube or a similar alternative platform like that even if they’re not going to just outright post future content to said alternative and give up on YT altogether.
Burninator05@lemmy.world
on 12 Jun 11:31
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I agree. We’ve seen enough times in the past where a creator would get a strike from a video several years old because the rules changes. Anyone legit should be careful.
Slope’s Game Room is about to lose his channel over ‘hate speech’ that isn’t even his. One more reason for me to not post any future video content to YT if I ever seriously get into making vids and instead just posting everything to PeerTube where it at least isn’t in danger of getting nuked because Google got pissed at me.
Update: he got to keep his channel. Still one more reason to not put any future content on YT should I pick up video content creation though.
i saw that on a channel i used to follow, they were getting strike so they had to take it down. kinda hoping they would give them the last strike, because turned into trump loving shitheels
they dont need to nuke your channel, they just bury your videos with thier algorithim, this is what pushed many smaller content creators off youtube in the pass. a channel i used to follow, i would have to painstakingly search it through other videos that arnt even related to it.
Twoafros@sh.itjust.works
on 12 Jun 06:31
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This sucks but I think this will lead to a Youtube exodus and other platforms like Peertube will creator and user base will grow
Moderators were previously told to remove videos if one-quarter or more of the content violated YouTube policies. Now, that limit has been increased to half.
This seems like alien speak to me. They announce that shit, someone read it, and then repeated it in an article. But what does it mean?
Can you have 6 contents and make 2 really crazy? Can you tell people to commit violence for 5 minutes and then review a game for 6 minutes? Is there a dude with tvtropes open going through and marking the contents of content?
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 12 Jun 15:27
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It depends on who is being targeted.
If you make a video calling for attacks on women, palestinians, gay people, etc., that’s all good!
If you talk about taxing rich people, that’s extreme violence. Immediate ban.
trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world
on 13 Jun 05:57
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I’ve worked for TnS at a different company.
I would guess it is likely per video, or they have multiple types of review going over it on a per video basis and then also maybe the channel as a whole?
So you could have half of any video contain the violating content, and it would be clear.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 12 Jun 15:25
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“Free speech” under capitalism means the freedom to promote fascism, rascism, misogyny, homophobia, genocide, etc…
But if you post half a second of a Disney movie, your account will be permanently deleted.
Great, now that 50% of a video can be a direct call for genocide, does that at LEAST mean I can use ONE instance of a “bad” word or speak of “icky” things like death and drug abuse without being demonized?
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 12 Jun 16:02
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I like freedom of speech but it seems like it would be pretty difficult to weigh those things against one another. what is the metric that they have in common? I don’t know that there is one
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If only half of that leniency were granted to selfhosting tools and adblockers
This is just going to be used to allow fascist propaganda, isn’t it?
yes, surprising a total of 0 people.
I am Jack’s lack of surprise.
I assume you mean fascist propaganda over and above the right wing rabbit holes that already exist on YouTube….
Ugh, this is terrible.
there were so much rw propaganda before they announced this.
Well yes. You obviously still can’t say “le dollar bean” without getting nuked from orbit. YouTube is a goodly Christian corporation after all, can’t have such content.
And still block curse words and specific terms. Fuck this place
Are you implying you don’t use YT at all? Or you use it and choose to be unhappy with it?
Just curious, I often get mad because they need to censor words, but not to the degrees to say 'fuck this place" and move to the other (unborn) alternative.
Personally I don’t use YouTube the website at all at this point. I’m 100℅ Freetube and yt-dlp/Plex for watching the channels I like.
That’s fine, still YouTube at its core though.
The alternatives are there. They don't have the volume of course, but they're very much born...
Yes they are, some from the very conception of YouTube perhaps, but they are not real alternatives a real alternative would be one where all your subscriptions also upload the same content there, it is totally not YT based and you get the same or similar ecosystem Google provides, I don’t think too many channels fit this.
I mean, if your requirement for a youtube alternative is that it's as big as YouTube, you're just guaranteeing that there will never be a YouTube alternative...
Yeah perhaps, we are here on Lemmy after all, which I consider a Reddit alternative, but with YouTube the thing is different because we follow individuals, and here we follow subjects, hopefully somebody can truly stand out against Google in the video field, a movement big enough to motivate content creators to check it out, the last thing I hear was about Odysee, which I think is a step in the right direction.
Peertube is also a thing. Obviously, someone can't make it on Peertube alone, but lots of folk out there upload to YouTube and to Peertube
I’m not sure of what you mean at the end there.
I see youtube content. I do not pay for it and they are likely unhappy that I get to use it as they get zero benefit from it.
Yep. It’s exactly what Facebook did not long ago. It’s just the most open oligarchy you can imagine, just consolidating their interests to push fascism at full throttle.
Its gonna be interesting, knowing some world cup is gonna happen on US soil as well.
First thought exactly.
They opened their doors to the goose stepping. Fucking corporate shitheads.
This is such bad news. I’m sympathetic to content creators who have to step on eggshells to please the algorithm/advertisers… But this?
Yeah, this is not that. We all know who this is for.
almost all the right wing contents get pushed to the front. there are some that are also rw that is buried by the algorithim, because they are loud mouths, i wonder if this will change for them too.,
They really are killin’ everything, aren’t they…
oh it’s that easy huh. why didn’t we think of this before lol.
Do people still have to say unalive?
Censorship is goddamn stupid. They should just tag content & let people decide what to filter.
I’m going to start using “inhumed”.
Content speak continously erodes my frontal lobe.
Yes but that’s not really a problem like the overwhelming fascism.
People have literally never had to say that.
First off it was Tiktok, not YouTube, that started the “unalived” trend, but even then make no mistake, “killed,” “murdered,” “died,” etc has never been banned on tiktok either.
What has been happening is that videos (on tiktok) with “potentially divisive content” are not being promoted by tiktok. You video will not get removed just for saying the word “killed” and will still be fully available for viewing by your followers, it just won’t be promoted on the For You page for strangers.
And it’s fine if you still object to this, but we have to stop conflating the two. Not being promoting is not the same thing as being censored.
Edit: I don’t know who downvoted this or why, but I’m right
Maybe you’re right: is there verification?
Neither content policy (youtube or tiktok) clearly lays out rules on those words. I only find unverified claims: some write it started at YouTube, others claim TikTok. They claim YouTube demonetizes & TikTok shadowbans. They generally agree content restrictions by these platforms led to the propagation of circumspect shit like unalive & SA.
TikTok policy outlines their moderation methods, which include removal and ineligibility to the for you feed. Given their policy on self-harm & automated removal of potential violations, their policy is to effectively & recklessly censor such language.
Generally, censorship is suppression of expression. Censorship doesn’t exclusively mean content removal, though they’re doing that, too. (Digression: revisionism & whitewashing are forms of censorship.)
Regardless of how they censor or induce self-censorship, they’re chilling inoffensive language pointlessly. While as private entities they are free to moderate as they please, it’s unnecessary & the effect is an obnoxious affront on self-expression that’s contorting language for the sake of avoiding idiotic restrictions.
I’m gessing that’s not gonna positively impact the people i watch and instead go towards some dumb shits.
“Muh
freedumsprofit” outweighs life. The silent bit spoken aloud. Cool cool.As expected from this timeline and this garbage conglomerate.
Good. I don’t really care about youtube, but less censorship is always a good thing.
How can you people say you respect science when you support silencing any criticism of it? That’s not science. That’s religion.
That said, this criteria clearly only exists to protect “influencers” who make youtube a proportional amount of money. If you have a channel with very little traffic and you say something controversial, you’d better believe your “freedom of expression value” will not be high enough to outweigh the corporation’s perceived “harm risk.”
It’s likely going to be selective censorship, i.e. Nazi cunts stay, criticism of said Nazi cunts will go.
You must be living in a bubble if you truly believe that.
Can we talk about adblockers, or is that still somehow worse than nazi shit?
Btw they removed a popular Youtuber’s “Degoogle Your Life” series lmfao (Linus Tech Tips). But a far-right thinnly-veiled racist video? All a’okay according to Google.
youtube shadowbanning, demonitization and censorship is the most retarded shit that’s ever happened to the internet. the whole website is videos and comments of people who cater to kids and commercial advertisers and cant say shit.
We will (still) allow children’s cartoon characters to be mutilated and put into explicit situations and then push them as child friendly, but how dare you use a swear in the first 15 seconds of a video or say the work kill.
Intention: YouTubers can stop with the whole self censoring shit.
Example: Unaliving; PDF file; grape; etc.
Reality: Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh, and other right wing grifters receive zero censorship while YouTubers still have to self censor to receive monetization.
YouTube started to censor foss content for being violet and dangerous.
How long before Google locks YT down to loading only on Chrome, and only on Windows, Mac, ChromeOS, or Android, and only without ad blockers of any kind, including hardware ad blockers like PiHole being implemented anywhere, and straight-up blocking it from loading at all on non-Chrome browsers (to also include other Chromium browsers) and on Linux or iOS, and enforcing TPM2 and SecureBoot mandates for authentication, and blocking downloading and re-uploading of YT vids, using DRM?
Basically, I wouldn’t put it above them to ensure their video platform only runs on their browser, and only on hardware that they deem worthy of running it, even if it means somehow implementing a Vanguard-style rootkit. Something else I wouldn’t put it past Google to try, is completely discontinuing the YT browser client and fully locking the API down to the official app, and still implementing a Vanguard-style rootkit on that.
they are working on it
don’t worry, they didn’t abandon it. they have continued development hidden from sight in the android version of the chromium engine
They won’t ever say it out loud but they have always removed videos for mentioning alternative frontends or other technology they view as direct threats to their revenue stream.
But what if it was chartreuse?
lol. that’s not the intention.
Actual reality: Right-wing grifters are already on a “whitelist”, as long as they also talk about lower taxes, lessening regulations and worker’s protections, and also got popular enough. Source: knew a former moderator for Google.
whitelist vs discovered the algorithm, same thing really.
See the issue here is Google/Youtube still get to be the ones to decide what “may outweigh the harm risk”. And the answer I bet will usually be whichever one serves their financial interests.
Which on one hand sure, it is their platform after all. But don’t do me dry and claim you used lube.
I still wouldn’t trust Google not to nuke my channel on a whim even in spite of those relaxed moderation rules. What’s stopping a little bribe from the right company or political party from causing them to backpedal or even tighten their grip further?
This is why one should at least mirror their content to PeerTube or a similar alternative platform like that even if they’re not going to just outright post future content to said alternative and give up on YT altogether.
I agree. We’ve seen enough times in the past where a creator would get a strike from a video several years old because the rules changes. Anyone legit should be careful.
Slope’s Game Room is about to lose his channel over ‘hate speech’ that isn’t even his. One more reason for me to not post any future video content to YT if I ever seriously get into making vids and instead just posting everything to PeerTube where it at least isn’t in danger of getting nuked because Google got pissed at me.
Update: he got to keep his channel. Still one more reason to not put any future content on YT should I pick up video content creation though.
i saw that on a channel i used to follow, they were getting strike so they had to take it down. kinda hoping they would give them the last strike, because turned into trump loving shitheels
they dont need to nuke your channel, they just bury your videos with thier algorithim, this is what pushed many smaller content creators off youtube in the pass. a channel i used to follow, i would have to painstakingly search it through other videos that arnt even related to it.
This sucks but I think this will lead to a Youtube exodus and other platforms like Peertube will creator and user base will grow
How many people have even heard of peertube?
when the site becomes a 100% right wing echo chamber people will flee it.
Wait what??? This came out of nowhere ??
YouTube not cracking down on free speech??
This seems like alien speak to me. They announce that shit, someone read it, and then repeated it in an article. But what does it mean?
Can you have 6 contents and make 2 really crazy? Can you tell people to commit violence for 5 minutes and then review a game for 6 minutes? Is there a dude with tvtropes open going through and marking the contents of content?
It depends on who is being targeted.
If you make a video calling for attacks on women, palestinians, gay people, etc., that’s all good!
If you talk about taxing rich people, that’s extreme violence. Immediate ban.
Believe it or not, straight to jail.
I’ve worked for TnS at a different company.
I would guess it is likely per video, or they have multiple types of review going over it on a per video basis and then also maybe the channel as a whole?
So you could have half of any video contain the violating content, and it would be clear.
“Free speech” under capitalism means the freedom to promote fascism, rascism, misogyny, homophobia, genocide, etc…
But if you post half a second of a Disney movie, your account will be permanently deleted.
Great, now that 50% of a video can be a direct call for genocide, does that at LEAST mean I can use ONE instance of a “bad” word or speak of “icky” things like death and drug abuse without being demonized?
I like freedom of speech but it seems like it would be pretty difficult to weigh those things against one another. what is the metric that they have in common? I don’t know that there is one
Introducing: Pay More, Say More
Surely this can’t become deeply problematic for the social fabric.
At least true crime youtubers won’t have to bleep half their videos anymore /s