jeena@piefed.jeena.net
on 11 Feb 2025 02:10
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A friend of mine bought a Jeep last year and it looked cool so we were thinking if this would be something for us as a next car.
But sadly I'm allergic to advertisement, so I guess a Jeep is out of question until they rethink it.
earphone843@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Feb 2025 02:15
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There are plenty of better vehicles that aren’t outrageously expensive just because they can be.
motor_spirit@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 02:23
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I’ma turn into chief clappahoe if some bullshit like that shows up in my horse & carriage
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Feb 2025 02:26
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They have parts that you have to replace right away so you don’t get stuck too. There are definite drawbacks.
Intergalactic@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 02:36
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Buy used!
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 02:44
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You don’t need to be allergic to advertisement to want avoid shit like this. The fucking audacity of companies these days. There is no place they won’t try to shove these damn things to the detriment of every product, service, and personal moment. If they could put screens under your eyelids you’d have to watch drug ads one blink at a time and your dreams would be sponsored by AT&T.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 13:37
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Yeah there’s a huge difference between advertisements in free media vs advertisements in a car you almost certainly had to get a loan to purchase
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 13:47
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They’ll justify stuff like that by telling you they sold it to you at a discount price because the ads offset your costs. That’s what Amazon did with the cheap tablet I bought for my wife.
BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 03:56
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I don’t recommend anyone buy a Jeep, not because of the ads but because they’re built like shit. Quality has been in free fall for decades while prices have skyrocketed. Death wobble issues (Wranglers), motor reliability out the window, rust, more rust, just not worth it.
I owned a 94 Cherokee and I loved it, and even though that 4.0L straight 6 had problems at least it would still run with bad piston rings, mysterious battery drain and holes in my radiator. The new ones just can’t compete.
Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca
on 11 Feb 2025 02:17
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Stellantis, the parent company of Jeep, Dodge, Chrysler, and Ram,
Not just a Jeep thing. at least not for long.
MajorHavoc@programming.dev
on 11 Feb 2025 02:51
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Holy cow. They’ve done the impossible - they’ve found a way to make a Dodge into a shittier vehicle. I am awestruck.
All the brands of vehicle that have some of the worst historical reliability!
ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com
on 11 Feb 2025 02:21
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Absolutely fucking not.
Though it does sound like a good kicker for the after market systems to make a comeback.
disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 03:10
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Not a chance. The new ‘infotainment’ clusters integrate necessary features like climate control to prevent aftermarket replacements in most vehicles. I honestly don’t know if any manufacturers even use the single and double DIN standards anymore.
errer@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 04:30
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Mazda is supposedly one of the last major automakers that has mostly physical controls in their cars. Definitely at the top of my list for any future car purchases.
TheLightItBurns@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 06:42
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I highly recommend Mazda if this is something you care about. I had a 2016 Mazda 3, and now I have a 2022 Mazda 3. The infotainment is all controlled though a physical knob and buttons, the climate control is all physical buttons. I am not sure if the screen is even a touch screen… I don’t think it is, but I have never attempted to touch it since I was so used to using the physical knob system in my old 2016. The physical buttons are why I picked my current 3 turbo up over the WRX I also tested. The WRX and the other Subaru’s I checked out all annoyed me with forcing use of the touch screen snd buttons to change the climate settings. I hope Mazda never changes that aspect of their cars. Not sure if the other models also do this, but I don’t see why they would.
TheLightItBurns@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 06:44
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Also, the climate control is all on smaller screen that just displays info with the climate system. The infotainment has nothing to do with the climate controls.
ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com
on 11 Feb 2025 11:28
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My 2018 Chev Trax may be the perfect level of tech for my tastes. Climate stuff is all physical, but it has a nice screen that you can hook a phone to through a USB or Bluetooth to pass maps/audio/calls through it with the audio and calls being controllable by buttons on the wheel.
The only actual car operation buttons on the screen are things you wouldn’t do when driving anyhow like decide if it locks automatically or setting the default volume.
Most obnoxious thing it does is keep reminding me that the sat radio subscription is expired when I start it.
Subdivide6857@midwest.social
on 23 Feb 13:18
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I have a 2015 Mazda 3 with 200,000 miles on it. I’ve spent $80 on repairs. An oil pressure sensor. It’s a fantastic vehicle.
Part of me is annoyed that I didn’t get a Mazda 3 when I got my car back in 2023, I got a 2021 Seat Leon FR PHEV Hatchback.
I like the Leon, but it has so much touch controls.
The worst is the controls for the fog lights, heated rear window and defrost.
They are all located on a small touch panel to the right of the steering wheel, it is also angled down making it harder to see.
So if I am driving and the windows start to fog up I need to take my eyes off the road and aim my finger to touch the correct button without touching any other controls as I might be blinding other drivers.
It is a terrible design.
The AC and battery management screens are all under different submenus on the infotainment screen.
The rest of the car is great though, and so far i have not seen any ads on the screen.
fitjazz@lemmynsfw.com
on 11 Feb 2025 12:08
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My 2023 Mazda has a touch screen but you never actually have to touch it. In fact, they put it far enough away that it is difficult to touch while driving and disable the touch when the car is moving. There are knobs and buttons in-between the front seats that control it. Also none of the important stuff is controlled through the infotainment system, it is just settings, satnav, and radio (or Android Auto/carplay). Not having to interact with a touch surface while driving is one of my favorite features of my car, and there are a lot of other things that I love about it too.
Zink@programming.dev
on 11 Feb 2025 18:50
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Mazda has been flying under the radar doing things right for a long time, in my experience.
I’m currently driving a 2012 Mazda3 that we bought new 13 years ago. It has been completely reliable while our 2013 Honda has needed some repairs. It is fuel efficient (40mg hwy), and it is still fun to drive. In the automatic transmission’s manual-shift mode the shift lever goes in the correct direction for driving dynamics (pull back to upshift, forward to downshift). In the normal automatic drive mode it seems to use an accelerometer to downshift when braking downhill.
My very first car was a mazda MX-6 from the late 80s with a 5-speed manual transmission. I bought it with 180,000 miles as a cheap junk “first car” and drove it for another 40,000 miles over the next few years. It needed some repairs, of course, but it was fun to drive and did a great job getting me around the state while I was in the late college to early independent adult years.
Now I’m middle aged and my drive to work is just a few miles via quiet twisty country road. I think I’m gonna get an MX-5 Miata next. 6-speed and soft top. That sounds nice.
For years I thought a fast dual motor EV sport sedan would be my next vehicle (whatever the non-Tesla model 3 performance equivalent would be) but a roadster would probably make it more fun to get up and leave the house. Plus so much cheaper and, given the small amount of miles I drive, probably more environmentally friendly. It would definitely generate a lot less microplastic pollution form the weight difference alone.
Anivia@feddit.org
on 11 Feb 2025 17:27
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Despite no longer sticking to the DIN standard, and climate controls being integrated into the infotainment system, there still exists a big market for aftermarket infotaiment systems, they just have to be engineered for the specific make of car you have. But they can be bought for most cars that have infotaiment systems that are now outdated
disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 17:37
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I haven’t replaced a head unit in years, but I’m not surprised the proprietary systems require custom components for replacement. I can’t count the amount of head units I’ve replaced with my own ‘custom’ wire harness to save the $15 it cost for the Metra adapter. Lol
The Chinese won’t be stopped by that. CANBUS integration controlled by a poorly designed app coming to your (2-3 versions old) Android head unit!
fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com
on 11 Feb 2025 12:35
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Custom flashes are probably more likely given the system integration of the head unit. UBlock for your car. How crazy is that?
Pogogunner@sopuli.xyz
on 11 Feb 2025 02:22
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Jeep is a Stellantis product. Literally the worst quality auto manufacturer in North America. They are circling the drain and jacking up the prices on their vehicles and making Pikachu faces when they don’t sell. Their only customers are people who don’t know how to research their purchases, and putting advertisement hell into their cars is another example of that. I suspect they will not be in business a decade from now.
Bell@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 02:55
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It’ll be less than a decade
owenfromcanada@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 04:41
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I work in the auto industry. Can confirm, Stellantis is in bad shape. I wouldn’t buy anything from them.
SmackemWittadic@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 05:34
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What’s confusing is that some great auto brands from Europe are under Stellantis (Peugeot and Citroen at least)
And they’re actually not doing a shitty job in designing or selling their vehicles. It’s mainly the Chrysler brands or basically the US brands under Stellantis.
I seriously hope the shit happening in Chrysler doesn’t come trickling down to the other brands
Saleh@feddit.org
on 11 Feb 2025 06:43
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Turns out regulations are good for businesses.
SmackemWittadic@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 07:05
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Regulations are definitely excellent for both businesses and consumers in the long term. But businesses are often too stupid to see past ANYTHING “quarterly”.
mPony@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 11:33
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“Either the Line Goes Up or the Rope Goes Up” - evil CEOs everywhere
Vinstaal0@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 11:48
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That depends on the business culture and how good their advisors are. And also the size if the business matter.
But yeah generally angelosaxton companies who have a mangement structure that’s way more in depth than it needs to be fuck these things over
owenfromcanada@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 12:35
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They’re good for longevity, but they’re bad for quarterly profits. In the US, we care much more for the latter.
moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 Feb 2025 11:06
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Peugeot and Citroën have their own issues in Europe (and technically in America) with the recall of car due to defective airbags.
owenfromcanada@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 13:47
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Out of the American big three, I have the most confidence in Ford. I’ve worked with engineers at all three, and the ones at Ford are the ones that I felt were most compitent.
That being said, my next car will probably be a Toyota or a Subaru. Both way better than the American OEMs.
burgersc12@mander.xyz
on 11 Feb 2025 04:45
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I had two Jeeps, first was originally my dad’s. It was an old shitbox. The other one was a somewhat old shitbox. 1998 & 2010. We dumped more time and money into them than I’d care to admit.
TachyonTele@lemm.ee
on 11 Feb 2025 02:23
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I thought this was a funny onion type of article… It isnt. Wtf
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub
on 11 Feb 2025 02:33
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Our whole existence has turned into an Onion article.
dmtalon@infosec.pub
on 11 Feb 2025 02:27
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There’s exactly zero chance I’d buy a car that showed me ads.
There was already zero chance I’d buy a Stellantis vehicle anyway after buying a brand new 1999 Dodge Durango that started rusting out sitting on our garage.
And while they did the bare minimum to remove the rust, but they didnt stand behind it. There was no way we were keeping it or buying anything else from them.
Dodge was owned by DaimlerChrysler in 99. I only know that because my family was in the car business and weren’t happy about that merger
dmtalon@infosec.pub
on 11 Feb 2025 03:26
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Yep, all connected /same garbage IMHO I was a big DSM (Diamond Star Motors) fan back in the mid/late 90’s had a couple AWD Talons.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 13:40
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Meanwhile I used to drive a 99 Chrysler 300m and I swear it was one of the best vehicles I’ve driven. It only died because as an idiot 19 year old I thought the engine temperature gage could wait a day because I had to move into college.
That said it was the last car Chrysler made worth shit
thann@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 Feb 2025 02:30
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This looks like a Luigi level threat
Punchshark@lemmy.ca
on 11 Feb 2025 02:36
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I’m curious what the customer agreement is for this? Is it in relatively plain sight or is this buried deep in the purchase agreement
friend_of_satan@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 02:40
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No fucking way. Not even if the car was free.
blandfordforever@lemm.ee
on 11 Feb 2025 03:27
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Now hold on there, I’d let them do the ads and the vehicle tracking bs if the car was nice and it was free.
If I’m buying the car, there’s no fucking way.
DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org
on 11 Feb 2025 08:28
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If it’s a Jeep the screen and audio might break on their own anyway
shalafi@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 02:40
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Stop 👏 Buying 👏 New 👏 Shit 👏
I could run a whole community on how to recycle, reuse, repurpose. Why the hell are people buying new cars?!
sic_semper_tyrannis@lemmy.today
on 11 Feb 2025 05:06
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Yup. Keeping old cars going on fossil fuels is so much better than millions of new cars being built every year, and in order for them to be built they ship them around the world to seperate facilities. I could go on and on
lightnsfw@reddthat.com
on 11 Feb 2025 11:36
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Because I’ve seen what people do with their vehicles. I bought my car new 13 years ago and I’ve been able to make sure it’s been properly maintained the entire time and no one else’s crud is all over the interior. I intend to keep it until it falls apart. Prior to that I had a truck I bought used and got maybe 5 years out of it before the transmission died with only medium mileage. I had maintained it but who knows what the person before me did with it.
That said if nothing changes with all this touchscreen infotainment shit I don’t know what I’ll do. I’ve hated every new vehicle I’ve been in the last few years.
FinalRemix@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 13:07
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Make that community. I’ll join up.
simplejack@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 02:54
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Ok, I’ll bite.
Did OP just time travel 25 years and post something from Slashdot?
OmgItBurns@discuss.online
on 11 Feb 2025 03:36
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I mean fark.com is still kicking, last I checked. I feel like some of these old sites are the web equivalent of BIFL products.
tiredofsametab@fedia.io
on 11 Feb 2025 04:28
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Replied to a comment there today; can confirm it's alive.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Feb 2025 04:56
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I dunno man. Harrison Ford made it sound like it was more rewarding than raising children and more important than world peace. You gonna turn your back on what seems to be something more fulfilling to Harrison Ford than religion just because it’s an inferior product and it’s pushing ads in your face like a free playstore game?
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 03:00
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Lol! Imagine in 5pm traffic!..
Broom! Broom!
Stop!
Hey! You driving! The university of Phoenix has a degree just for you!
Go!
Stop!
And wells Fargo can help! Our loans are only 8% Apr!
Go!
Stop!
Pah pah pah pah…I’m loving it! At McDonalds we brought back the stegosaur burger! PST! Its actually crock!
Go!..
itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml
on 11 Feb 2025 03:08
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A Jeep was the worst car I’ve ever had
Coolbeanschilly@lemmy.ca
on 11 Feb 2025 03:09
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Sounds like the Jeep corporate execs should be charged with all the crimes that result from road rage incidents involving people who own Jeep products.
shininghero@pawb.social
on 11 Feb 2025 03:15
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Please do. But keep in mind, when I invariably get jump-scared by your infotainment system and crack my head on the car ceiling, I’m going to turn your revenue stream into my personal early retirement pension.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca
on 11 Feb 2025 04:30
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Oh don’t be silly. It was YOU who got distracted! The laws are for thee, not me!
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip
on 11 Feb 2025 03:55
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What’s really funny is that the only thing I even know about Barbara Streisand is that picture.
The Streisand Effect has immortalized her to a whole new generation.
ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 Feb 2025 04:41
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I don’t understand how this is related to the Streisand Effect. The Streisand Effect is when you try to suppress unflattering info about yourself, and in the process you call attention to it, so now everyone knows. But we didn’t learn about this through Jeep trying to suppress the info, we just learned about it from people who saw the ads.
Welcome to lemmy comments. Someone else incorrectly mentioned the Streisand effect so this guy decided to be cheeky and post just the photo.
rem26_art@fedia.io
on 11 Feb 2025 03:21
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The ad they show is an ad for their own extended warranty package and it says that "Odometer must be less than 36000 miles to purchase" Anyone wanna take bets for whether or not that will actually shut up once you go over 36k miles? (I'm betting no)
We're really deep into nightmare territory with the kind of stuff companies feel its ok to do to customers..
YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca
on 11 Feb 2025 03:29
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If the jeep even makes it to 36k.
harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 Feb 2025 04:15
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There’ll be a special maintenance package that will be available. Then it’ll be ads for new Stellantis vehicles.
"Check Engine light on again? Check out the new 2027 Jeep Wagoneer! You'll definitely get more miles out of the new one compared to the 2025 model thats now broken"
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 08:12
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“To allow a mechanic to access the oil tank, please subscribe to our Premium Oil Change and Maintenance tier. Only $12.99/month. Your oil tank will remain hermetically sealed until you sign up.”
harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 12 Feb 2025 00:51
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It’s not as bad as a Cybertruck! We promise!
Probius@sopuli.xyz
on 11 Feb 2025 06:27
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We need legislation against the unending encroachment upon our daily lives by advertisers.
Alpha71@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 06:45
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Yeah, like that’s gonna do anything…
OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca
on 11 Feb 2025 11:18
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cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca
on 11 Feb 2025 04:31
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Oh this is the first time I’ve seen this wiki in the wild, neat!
harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 Feb 2025 04:22
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I was looking for a car a few months ago and was looking at newer models, used, but mostly less than a decade old. Then I started reading about all the tracking and such.
I gave in to my inner teenager and bought a 2001 Porsche 911.
The entertainment center can connect via Bluetooth but there’s no Android Auto, no navigation. It has Sirius XM but I never had a subscription to it and never will.
I might add a backup camera but that’s it. My phone is more than enough tracking, even with as much of it shut off as possible.
Add in a magnetic charger phone mount and you’re golden in my opinion.
harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 12 Feb 2025 00:48
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A previous owner mounted one where the cigarette lighter was. I’m going to replace it soon since it doesn’t really fit - I can’t charge my phone in the holder.
Maybe I’ll finally learn FreeCAD and print my own.
harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 12 Feb 2025 00:49
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Thanks! The next car on the list was a 2004 Honda Civic Si hatchback manual.
I honestly would have been happy with either car. Having so much fun with the Porsche though.
WereCat@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 05:52
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Guess I wont stop then. Kids crossing the road? Too bad, I don’t wanna see the ads just because you have to get to the other side…
thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 05:59
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Anyone know any brand that doesn’t pull this kind of shit in their cars?
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 Feb 2025 06:30
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A bicyce at this point.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 11:24
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And the best part is you probably have local anarchists who want to help you learn to maintain it
btaf45@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 06:39
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I bought a 2025 Kia Sportage before the new Trumpflation taxes went into effect. No ads at all. I would have been pretty damn mad to see ads. Weird that Jeep has decided to self destruct.
ace_garp@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 07:35
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belit_deg@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 09:37
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I’m lost for words.
…what if the whole family is watching? Does everyone have to raise their hands and yell “McDonalds”? Including the kids?
This might just as well be used in “smart” fridges. “Do this corporate dance to get 20% off your next Corn Flakes”
fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de
on 11 Feb 2025 11:24
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There’s just no way I’m ever going to do this.
Honestly, I’d rather go forage for twigs and berries than interact with ads.
Jericho_Kane@lemmy.org
on 11 Feb 2025 15:44
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I haven’t seen an ad in like 15 years or so (at home) and i already find them incredibly dystopian and weird. I don’t really understand how people put up with that right now, but it kind of tells me that they would actually do the laola wave and yell pepsi at their screen.
I found my old VHS collection the other day and watched karate kid that i recorded as a child. I think it had 2 ad breaks who were really short, and back then we thought that it’s getting a bit much with the ads.
fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de
on 11 Feb 2025 22:05
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You raise a good point.
I’m much the same in that I just refuse to watch anything with ads. They really are dystopian and weird.
I also get that same feeling when I see someone just grinding through youtube ads, but people that do that just don’t seem to have any awareness of the interaction - it’s just part of the show.
The weirdest of all is when people (usually brave browser enthusiasts?) try to claim that “some” ads are actually a good thing because it makes them aware of some product they actually desire which they wouldn’t have been aware of otherwise. I’ll take blissful ignorance thanks.
So yes, I can imagine people doing this stuff without really thinking about it.
I don’t know the whole story. Real debrid is french, and they released a new law or something and real debrid all debrid and mega debrid just stopped working. Except for the thing no one uses it for.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 06:27
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“Speed”, but instead of a vehicle exploding, it’s to avoid ads.
Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de
on 11 Feb 2025 07:55
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Officer: Why were you speeding?
Me: Wanted to avoid ads.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Feb 2025 10:14
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This isn’t even funny… This is something people will do. Jeep doesn’t give a fuck about safety. FUCK Jeep.
InputZero@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 11:32
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Jeep isn’t a true company anymore it’s just another brand under Stellantis. So FUCK stellantis and every other brand under them.
Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 11 Feb 2025 10:10
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Officer, “Why’d you run that red light?”
Me, “If I hear the Meow Mix jingle one more time I’m gonna snap!”
Jeep, having heard you mention a product, dutifully plays the relevant ad.
FAKE NEWS!!! Why would you want to pull an ancient lever mechanism if you can do it in a few taps on the touch screen. Sure, unless you have a premium subscription, you’ll have to watch a short video from our partners, tailored individually just for you.
reddig33@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 08:05
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I wonder if disconnecting the car’s cell antenna would prevent this crap from loading.
Does this car have Android Auto/Carplay? Hopefully while that is active you can’t see the ad either.
Squizzy@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 08:29
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They generally go into limp mode if they cannot report on you.
Carighan@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 09:45
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I mean it’s a Jeep. You don’t buy that if you don’t want a limp car, anyways. :P
Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 11 Feb 2025 10:12
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Could be like some of those TVs that have baked-in ads. So if you don’t have a data connection, they’ll just play the default ones.
Edit: I imagine that the car to prevent you from unplugging the antenna would probably do the classic, “I haven’t had a data connection in X amount of time, therefore I cannot verify the security of the device, so we’re going to prevent the use of autoplay.”
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca
on 11 Feb 2025 12:19
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Or there’s an LTE chip soldered in there somewhere…
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 08:11
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So does this mean I can stop hearing about stupid “Jeep Culture” bullshit now?
It means you dont need to shit on a random interest. What did rock crawlers and off-roaders do to you?
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 15:18
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Be as interested in Jeeps as you like.
Saying you’re part of a culture because you bought something (especially something prohibitively expensive) is not something I will do anything but mock.
I don’t hear about “Mercedes Culture” or “Nissan Culture.” Probably because people way into those cars understand that it isn’t a culture just to be into a car.
SamboT@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 15:26
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Reducing peoples interests to consumerism is your culture i guess.
If i buy a mountain bike is my culture a mountain biker? How often do i have to ride to be justified in thay belief? How often do i have to post online about bikes? How many hours of youtube do i need to watch of mountain biking?
Jeeps do things normal passenger vehicles dont and people creating a community of interest on that basis is valid.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 15:30
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If you call mountain biking a culture, I’ll mock you for that too. Because it’s a hobby and a sport, not a culture.
Something isn’t a culture just because you and your friends want to base your identities around it.
I’m way into Star Trek. If I ever heard another Trekkie talk about “Trekkie Culture,” I’d have to resist the urge to slap them.
Now you’re just being pedantic. If you’re while argument was based on the usage of the word “culture” i think you could have made that point more clear lol.
Obviously you were talking about the validity of assembling for the interest of the Jeep brand.
For a professional lemming your performance hasnt been stellar this morning.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 15:36
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Well as long as it’s obvious to you, because it wasn’t obvious to me.
I thought I was just one of those weird people who believed words mean things. Thanks for setting me straight on what I really think.
Well if thats what you really meant then i applaud your ability to leverage how obtuse you are. It certainly seems to have proven you dont need to be clear about what you are saying to win an argument on lemmy.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 15:54
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You could have asked for clarification rather than just been aggressive this entire time, but your insults are noted.
Your first reply demonstrates your single-minded goal to “win” rather than clarifying your position. You milked the misunderstanding because thats why youre on here.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 15:59
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Thank you for telling me what my goal is. It’s something else I was entirely unaware of.
And then I milked the misunderstanding too! Wow!
Tell me, how do you know all these things about me that I am completely in the dark about?
I dont think you form questions. I think things just come straight out of your head onto gods upcoming commandments list.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 16:23
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Then you can certainly come up with the questions for me.
Unless you’re planning on telling me you don’t know how to use a very basic Lemmy client properly in this thread and pretend I apologized to you here too.
That does seem to be where this is headed given sync’s layout and your last-word complex.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 16:30
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That would be a lot easier for me to believe if this conversation weren’t longer than the other one.
But then maybe I do believe it. You know me better than I do, so I guess you’ll have to tell me what I believe for me to find out.
Also, I thought I knew how Sync worked and how that isn’t in any way a limitation. But clearly I haven’t used the superior version of Sync that you use.
We are still okay for this conversation for another… 1 replies.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 16:35
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Weird, the version of Sync I have used allows you to easily avoid that just by clicking on the most recent comment link. But then I do not have this superior version you use.
I went to add you but im realizing lemmy doesnt seem to have a friend list.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 16:53
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Oh. We’re already friends? I thought you asked me if we wanted to be. I guess we are. Which is weird, because I didn’t think my friends were people who insulted me and declared what I thought even though I was sure that wasn’t in any way what I thought.
In fact, I always thought my friends were nice and kind people who respected others enough to let them speak for themselves and didn’t run around lobbing insults.
But what do I know about my friends? It’s not like I’ve ever met them.
I’m fairly certain I like my friends, but I guess not if you’re one of them.
Well I certainly wouldn’t want to extrapolate your qualities from limited information. Maybe i should try thinking more about the reality of your situation and not feel obligated to conclude stuff about you. Sorry about my short-sighted meme behavior. I really am ruining lemmy even though i just wanted to drive engagement with the platform so it feels populated enough for people to transition from reddit without it feeling like a ghost town. Maybe i can still do that without being so damn annoying.
milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee
on 11 Feb 2025 15:31
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I’ve not heard of Jeep culture, myself, so now I’m going to imagine a colony of asexually-reproducing microscopic Jeeps in a Petri dish.
Today, O Squid, you have broadened my imagination beyond yesterday.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 15:34
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I would have much greater interest in microscopic Jeeps that could reproduce. I probably wouldn’t even mock them. Unless they were jerks.
Jericho_Kane@lemmy.org
on 11 Feb 2025 15:47
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I find it weird in general when people compliment things that i had nothing to do with. Like: nice tattoo. Thanks, i sat there for a bit and then it was done.
I had a girlfriend who treated her car like she designed and build it herself. I even made a joke once where i said exactly that and je just cold heatedly said: she does that too. Like if someone would insult her car, she would take that very personally.
Interstellar_1@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 11 Feb 2025 08:19
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Stegget@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 13:44
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Fark is still around too.
thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org
on 11 Feb 2025 13:51
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Fark rules!
AntEater@discuss.tchncs.de
on 11 Feb 2025 19:17
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The site is still there, but the comment sections are no longer fun nor do you find intelligent feedback as frequently as you could in the early days. Last time I was poking around there, the mods were upvoting climate denial comments. So much for science. (source: low uid)
Squizzy@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 08:29
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There are no high end middle class cars now. Used be if you got an audi, merc, beamer etc. You were part of an in group where youngot extras. Now you spend 80K and they want you to subscribe for cruise control and AC. Lambourghini and porsche dropped back to entrr the market and only brought their badge.
source_of_truth@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 08:32
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Are they adding this shit to cars that didn’t do that already?
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml
on 11 Feb 2025 10:11
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This webpage is broken. It doesn’t have content until you allow thrid-party scripts.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca
on 11 Feb 2025 12:15
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Sorry I don’t check if a webpage requires 3rd party scripts before I post them for you. Leave it blocked and moved on I guess?
Opinionhaver@feddit.uk
on 11 Feb 2025 10:26
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This is just one of the many reasons I have no interest in new cars. If it needs an internet connection then I’m not buying it. There are very few things I need my vehicle to be able to do and having access to internet isn’t one of them. I don’t even like that my truck has automatic wipers - I vastly prefer the traditional ones. Hell, I don’t even need the radio.
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 10:36
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Honestly, fuck the whole thing, I’ll take my bike. With blackjack. And hookers.
Honestly, fuck the the bike, it will save you from purchasing a hooker
irreticent@lemmy.zip
on 11 Feb 2025 14:02
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But then who will I play blackjack with?
Blackmist@feddit.uk
on 11 Feb 2025 10:47
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Video showing ads on dashboard.
Video itself starts with a QR code ad embedded into it. And it’s on Youtube so who knows how many ads I skipped with uBlock…
Adception.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 12:09
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Disgusting. Why would anyone pay for that?
AVengefulAxolotl@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 13:15
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Just you wait until the windshields become screens as well. Full windshield ads baybe!
rottingleaf@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 18:02
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In USSR, despite all its downsides, there was a huge upside - magazines like “Техника - молодежи” and various educational brochures of the practical kind, aimed at explaining how to really make something.
And also a certain culture of hobbies associated with that, I guess all the energy from boredom went there.
So - I’ve read about competitions of hobby-crafted cars then. Like 20 guys would make some (like half of it would be something used in usual Soviet cars, think Reagan and the 10 years joke) parts of a car in their garages and apartments (and even at work, if they worked on some factory, for example ; in general workplace in USSR was, eh, a bit more permanent of an association, so the border between personal life and work, including tools, was fuzzy), then assemble them.
I think that could even be registered as a legal means of transportation. At least from what I’ve heard there is (or was) a surprisingly liberal part of Russian laws, allowing you to register almost anything as a car and get a number, with some criteria passed. Maybe these two things are related.
Jericho_Kane@lemmy.org
on 11 Feb 2025 14:56
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Easy, they call their cars something like renegade or maveric and some idiots pay 80k for that shitbox
rottingleaf@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 18:04
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I wanted a Jeep at some point. One of the nicer-looking models. A sand-yellow one, almost as good as a black g-wagon.
But yes, times change. I wanted one from the early 90s, maybe.
Sic transit gloria mundi.
SulaymanF@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 12:49
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I completely crossed off all GM cars due to lack of CarPlay. I am boycotting Tesla. I don’t trust BMW because they tried to make heated seats a subscription. Now Jeep and Stellantis?
4grams@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 12:53
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I’m on year 9 of my 10 year car plan. Current vehicle is supposed to become the kidmobile and I planned on a new one.
I won’t buy a new car though. If I do replace mine, it will be a used, unconnected car. I am so tired of iPads on wheels.
thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org
on 11 Feb 2025 13:49
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my 2008 BMW is the last without a computer screen and none of that stupid knob and I had to seek it out but it was absolutely worth it. Bonus that I can actually work on the car my self!
SpaceCadet@feddit.nl
on 11 Feb 2025 14:58
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I think cars peaked ca. 2010. Anything added after that are annoyances or things being taken away.
If I could get a brand new facelift E90, that would probably be my next car.
potentiallynotfelix@lemmy.fish
on 11 Feb 2025 13:05
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To be honest, I would just get an old car and fit a tablet into it
Absaroka@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 13:47
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Mercedes also includes a number of items as a subscription in some countries. Some stuff is app related. Others are things like getting full use of your rear-steering wheels and unlocking extra horsepower.
MattTheProgrammer@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 13:55
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Japanese manufacturers are not perfect but seem to be the least interested in doing this kind of anti-consumer nonsense, at least for now. I have been happy with every Mazda I’ve owned in the last decade (3 in total) for what it’s worth.
PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 15:13
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Yup, Toyota has been solid for me. Though admittedly, they’re also one of the worst in regards to data privacy; You should assume that every single thing you do in a Toyota is being recorded and sent back to a Toyota server for ad/tracking purposes.
Most cars have a SIM card with a very basic data/phone service. In many jurisdictions, it’s a legal requirement for cars to have a button to call emergency services, so they need phone connectivity for that. It’s also used for software updates, map updates, and of course, data collection.
naught101@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 23:24
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Holy crap I feel old now. Since when? I’m still driving a car without a touch screen, and that’s never going to change.
My older car (2012 Mazda 3) didn’t have a touch screen. I replaced the radio with a touch screen Pioneer one that supports Android Auto. I’d definitely recommend doing that! It’s nice having Google Maps on an older car. The third-party radios tend to be better than the OEM ones (they have to be, otherwise nobody would buy them) and I don’t think Pioneer does data collection of any sort.
I just wish Mazda had a good EV. Their EVs just aren’t that good at the moment. I leased a BMW iX a few months ago, but my old car (which I still have) is a 2012 Mazda 3. Love the EV experience and I don’t think I’ll buy a gas powered car ever again.
MattTheProgrammer@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 23:53
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Any pure EV from Mazda is actually a rebadged Chinese car but I forget which brand. It’s basically the only way Mazda could sell EVs in China and that’s what they offer to the European market as well. In North America, I know we only have the PHEV variants but no EV only.
WolfLink@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Feb 2025 14:01
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Toyotas are still good
DicJacobus@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 15:08
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Toyota Sales here
Boy do I have some BMW Heated seat subscription crap to sell you
(Its not quite as bad as BMW. But one thing that really irks customers is the remote starter is restricted to a subscription service. unless you’re one of the lucky ones who got a vehicle that installed the wrong part/fuses. in which case you can still remote start your car with the fob. its still very finnicky)
Yeah that remote start subscription really pissed me off. If i could confirm a way to give them even less data i would.
nokturne213@sopuli.xyz
on 11 Feb 2025 17:10
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I am still awaiting my first map update to my nav system that has free lifetime map updates, my truck will be 10 this year.
SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today
on 11 Feb 2025 16:08
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Something to consider…
Elon may be going down a conservative rabbit hole these days, but this is the sort of thing Tesla would never ever ever do. And things like using the telematic system to sell your location and speed to insurance companies. Never happened on a Tesla.
You may not like the guy, but the cars are fucking solid.
Belgdore@lemm.ee
on 11 Feb 2025 16:12
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Rainbow road mode is a bitch
Lebernashi@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 16:32
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Tesla’s have their own privacy issues, and build quality issues . Tesla’s staff have been caught spying on their customers and sharing sensitive images of people .
That practice was halted and now the vehicle video is under MUCH stricter control with an option to not share any of it at all.
Given the choice, I’d rather have some Tesla employee joking about what I park next to than Tesla Inc selling my driving data to insurance companies like most other automakers do…
Tesla used to sell cars rated by pack capacity. For example the ‘P85D’ was the performance model, 85 kWh pack, dual motor.
There was also a 40 kWh (cheaper) and 60 kWh version.
After a while they stopped building 40 kWh packs and just software-locked the 60 kWh pack to only have 40 kWh of usable capacity. I think for a while they offered an upgrade where you could pay to unlock the extra capacity.
I don’t think they’ve done that in some time. I know when I bought my car (model y long range) they didn’t even advertise the pack capacity nor was any upgrade offered. The only paywall thing I’ve seen with Tesla is FSD and they’re pretty transparent about that. I don’t think they’re awful for paywalling it, because if they build the car without the FSD hardware it won’t have other safety systems like lane departure notification.
moakley@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 18:07
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Oh, he’s just going down a rabbit hole! He’s going on a cute little adventure where he does a fucking Nazi salute in front of the whole country, then proceeds to recklessly dismantle huge parts of the US government, but it’s all just part of his magical little journey! Teehee!
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 22:16
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then proceeds to recklessly dismantle huge parts of the US government
Just give him a few more weeks.
AntEater@discuss.tchncs.de
on 11 Feb 2025 19:13
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apocalypticat@lemmy.world
on 12 Feb 06:21
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Also a great way for me to never consider looking at a Ram, Chrysler, Dodge, or whatever the fuck else this corporation makes.
tabular@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 14:52
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Who do they think owns the Jeeps?
Bosht@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 14:56
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I’ve known several Jeep owners over the last decade and those that weren’t buying it strictly for the ‘Jeep clout’ as an actual vehicle/daily driver had constant issues, while under warranty, and dealt with issues even trying to get said warranty work done.
Like that wasn’t enough for me, on top of that I had a mechanic with his own shop that said he’d never touch another Jeep because of how horribly they are designed to work on. Anything from ease of access to work on the engine to bolts stripping out because they were overtorqued during assembly and made with shit metals that would sooner melt than come off in one piece.
Now this? Yeah, hope they go bankrupt. This is just as bad as BMW and their ‘pay a subscription for seat warmers’ bullshit.
pahlimur@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 15:08
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Yeah I’ve never heard anything good about jeeps in general. Now they are being run further into the ground by trying to become a luxury brand. At least when it was just a shitty jeep, it was still a somewhat cheap shitty jeep.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 22:12
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When I was young, you (supposedly) could still buy WWII-era original Jeeps disassembled and packed into crates in cosmoline. I always wanted one of those but never had any desire to own a modern one.
conditional_soup@lemm.ee
on 11 Feb 2025 15:12
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You know, I’ve got to give their marketing team props for managing to sell a vehicle with the engineering quality of a Saturn to people with more money than sense for a whole ass order of magnitude more than it’s worth. Game recognizes game.
acchariya@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 23:01
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Its not marketing it’s that they extend credit to anyone who comes through the door. 550 credit score? No problem sir, here is your $62500 RAM 1500, loaded with options. If you can’t pay $1000/month for a Kia why not splurge and not pay $2000/month for an optioned out truck?
HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com
on 11 Feb 2025 15:41
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dodge in general did not do well on realiability, Thing is they have neat engineering. So I loved the grand caravan but they killed it to try and get folks to pay toyota prices for their shit and its like no. You vehicles have to be ten grand cheaper so that you amoratize the repair bills.
RebekahWSD@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 18:33
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The dodge caravan was my teenage car. I loved it. Big. Ugly. No one wanted to drive with me and that was perfect because they also would have tried smoking in the car and I’d have broken out in hives. I miss you, dodge caravan.
HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com
on 11 Feb 2025 22:10
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Yeah its to bad they got rid of it and they did some things that ruined the pacifica that took its place. For people with limited mobility the seats are the perfect height where you don't drop into them and you don't have to climb up into them. Being able to stow all the seats and in more recent time the roof rack is just incredibly useful. Then all the basic minivan things are really great. sliding side doors, the rear window winglet things and then the rear hatch. urge to suddenly go camping just have to back it up to the firepit and you can roast marshmellows in the rain.
DicJacobus@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 15:06
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Cyberpunk 2077 here we come.
except its just the Corpo shit.
VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 18:35
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Even 2077 didn’t have ads in your car.
DicJacobus@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 22:26
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No, but V’s apartment did have advertisements on the windows and a vending machine in the living room
conditional_soup@lemm.ee
on 11 Feb 2025 15:09
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Drivers don’t need to be watching the road, they need to be watching this ad.
I think anything 2008 and before is kinda a sweet spot for car driving quality. After the subprime crisis its like all the car makers went to shit.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 16:46
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How to get me to not buy a Jeep and to hate anyone pushing these ads (Mopar) in one simple act.
FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 17:21
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hahahahahaha nope.
maxalmonte14@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 18:10
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“You almost ran over a five year old with your oversized vehicle, thanks for breaking! This segment is brought to you thanks to BetterHelp…”
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Feb 2025 19:50
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or better yet “You just ran over a single mother while missing her child! this segment brought to you by BetterHelp, you’re gonna need it!”
Eezyville@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Feb 2025 20:06
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So is this considered distracted driving?
over_clox@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 23:09
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No, it’s considered distracted stopping. /s
Same damn diffence in my book, fuck Jeep for that shit!
ironcrotch@aussie.zone
on 11 Feb 2025 21:22
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lmao wtf
madcaesar@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 22:34
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This is why you need government. This is why you need regulations.
Corporations are evil pieces of shit that would have you watch ads without seatbelts and without air bags.
They’d grind you and your entire family into a powder if it made them a few bucks.
Fuck Jeep and their shitty tin cars.
BambiDiego@lemmy.world
on 12 Feb 2025 00:41
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This is why we need government that isn’t in the pocket of corporations.
We need something like lawmakers having to disclose their tax information annually. If you want to be in office and make millions you should be willing to put your morals on the review table.
they would have you watch ads without seatbelts and without air bags.
No, they would require you purchase these because their business can’t sell their products without them, but they’d make you pay a subscription for them to keep working, and when you stop paying the subscription, the car stops turning on until you pay your monthly airbag and seatbelt fee.
menemen@lemmy.world
on 11 Feb 2025 22:48
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They really do take 80s and 90s dystopian movies as inspiration. Almost funny how ridiculous unimaginatively evil that are.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz
on 12 Feb 2025 00:29
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This is why used cars are so dang expensive, it seems like automobile quality has been in a free fall since 2008. The end user experience gets worse while the price goes up.
moseschrute@lemmy.world
on 12 Feb 2025 00:48
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Early 2000s jap cars are unkillable, surplus of parts, and are not tracker spyware nests. Great little things for sure. My 90s turboed volvo is a far more temperamental beast, but I cherish her quirks :)
Right now my car is an 84. With a back up 86 truck. I used to have a 2011 subaru, but hit an prairie antelope with it. If I had my pick I think 1990-2008 Japanese cars are the sweet spot.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world
on 12 Feb 16:54
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Aren’t those older cars absolute death traps in collisions compared to the newer ones?
No, The issue is with conceptions of auto safety becoming a selling point. For example look at the single biggest invention in reducing crash fatality? You would think maybe airbags, seat belts or ABS brakes… But nope, collapsible steering columns. But we are now sold “death proof” SUVs that are not really safer, in some ways worse. The issue is that safety devices have a diminishing return but fear is a great selling point, I would say there are old things that are death traps (like square body chevys) and things like saabs that I would say are to this day built safer then new cars. If we look at the data for auto fatalities per capita we can see that car safety has not had some magical jump since the late 80s but a more expected gradual change.
As a side note I do and have done a lot of driving and from what I have seen in the last 20 plus years is a slide into cars that are:
Top heavy (bigger is not safer)
Have little to no visibility (that then try to make up for with back up cameras)
Are built not to avoid crashing but to make crashing more comfortable
Have limited to no driving feed back and over reliance on things like traction control
Make driving on the same road with them more dangerous (just look at north american headlights)
At the end of the day I would rather drive a car that I can see out of and has a degree of safety devices (seat belts, collapsible steering column, working brakes) then something that is built like a living room on low profile tires that I will at some point crash. Bonus points if it does not explode or catch fire easily (think pintos or teslas).
SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world
on 12 Feb 17:48
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Yes, But this is my point. You are sharing a video from “CAR TV” who’s tag line is “Watch New Model Cars With Pleasure 🎬” Its very much selling the idea that newer is safer, but the data only shows a slight increase in safety (and nothing on rate of crashes old vs new). In the video they show the two cars crashing but no data at all, the 1998 one from what I can see looks non fatal (seatbelt held, engine block not in lap, steering wheel not impaling chest) but not only do they say “The test showed the driver of the older Corolla would likely have died as a result of the 64km/h collision” they also don’t show that data. Even when looking for sources I get almost no where, this stinks.
Oh and in the little write up they say “ROAD safety experts have renewed calls for drivers to get behind the wheel of newer cars after an unprecedented crash test revealed shocking results.” Why do they write ROAD in all caps? Is this a special interest group? A lobbyist? No idea I can’t even check since there are no sources!
I am not saying newer cars don’t have more safety built in, I am saying its a matter of finding what level you are comfortable in and to not get suckered into needless fear over your cars safety rating while the average driver does not even maintain their car’s brakes.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world
on 12 Feb 18:43
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…not get suckered into needless fear over your cars safety rating while the average driver does not even maintain their car’s brakes.
Personally if my brakes are fucked I want all the other safety features I can get.
Might I suggest instead of spending money on a car payment, spend less then a car payments worth of money on maintance? I am shocked at how many bald tyre, brakes fucked, window washer fluid depleted cars are sliding around in winter.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world
on 12 Feb 18:54
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Might I suggest instead of spending money on a car payment, spend less money on maintance? I am shocked at how many bald tyre, brakes fucked, window washer fluid depleted cars are sliding around in winter.
I fail to see how spending less on maintenance would fix that.
I remember as a kid there was a test where you parked in a spot and there where lines on a wall to check your light alignment. This was just a thing that was done, even sometimes by police on the roadside. Now? Fuck you and your retinas I guess, I don’t think a single new vehicle would pass that test today.
moseschrute@lemmy.world
on 12 Feb 2025 00:48
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Roku was experimenting with similar stuff so I refuse to connect my Roku tv to WiFi. Will never update it
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca
on 12 Feb 2025 00:54
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Ya, they’ve been getting bad press for a while now. Will never own one of those.
moseschrute@lemmy.world
on 12 Feb 2025 04:01
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The TVs aren’t a bad value. Gotta get back the the jailbreaking days. If someone released a custom firmware for my Roku tv that made it dumb I would use it.
alcoholic_chipmunk@lemmy.world
on 12 Feb 17:50
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They’ll make it cheaper for awhile to justify it to the public and government and then slowly raise the price so that you’re paying full price AND watching ads.
Imagine pulling up to a red light, checking your GPS for directions, and suddenly, the entire screen is hijacked by an ad. That’s the reality for some Stellantis owners. Instead of seamless functionality, drivers are now forced to manually close out of ads just to access basic vehicle functions.
Oh HELLLLL no. I hope my 2012 Subaru will last until I’m either dead or too old to drive. I don’t even want to have these damn screens for the usual shit you have to do on them. I want to be able to do everything with physical controls, no eavesdropping, and no dependence on a fucking app or touchscreen to operate anything in my car! I will drive my car while wearing mittens! shakes fist
Aw yeah, 14mpg, two distinct oil leaks, and cabins full of mold because the vintage weather strips failed forty years ago. (I drive a late 90s pickup and am acutely aware of the tradeoffs that come with older cars, even ones that are maintained relatively well.)
Don’t worry, our choice for each election is capitalism and cruelty free capitalism, it’s always been a matter of time.
It will always be the case that given enough time a capitalist will find a way to convince the public to vote against self interest just a little, and then the snowball starts rolling.
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A friend of mine bought a Jeep last year and it looked cool so we were thinking if this would be something for us as a next car.
But sadly I'm allergic to advertisement, so I guess a Jeep is out of question until they rethink it.
There are plenty of better vehicles that aren’t outrageously expensive just because they can be.
I’ma turn into chief clappahoe if some bullshit like that shows up in my horse & carriage
They have parts that you have to replace right away so you don’t get stuck too. There are definite drawbacks.
Buy used!
You don’t need to be allergic to advertisement to want avoid shit like this. The fucking audacity of companies these days. There is no place they won’t try to shove these damn things to the detriment of every product, service, and personal moment. If they could put screens under your eyelids you’d have to watch drug ads one blink at a time and your dreams would be sponsored by AT&T.
Yeah there’s a huge difference between advertisements in free media vs advertisements in a car you almost certainly had to get a loan to purchase
They’ll justify stuff like that by telling you they sold it to you at a discount price because the ads offset your costs. That’s what Amazon did with the cheap tablet I bought for my wife.
I don’t recommend anyone buy a Jeep, not because of the ads but because they’re built like shit. Quality has been in free fall for decades while prices have skyrocketed. Death wobble issues (Wranglers), motor reliability out the window, rust, more rust, just not worth it.
I owned a 94 Cherokee and I loved it, and even though that 4.0L straight 6 had problems at least it would still run with bad piston rings, mysterious battery drain and holes in my radiator. The new ones just can’t compete.
Not just a Jeep thing. at least not for long.
Holy cow. They’ve done the impossible - they’ve found a way to make a Dodge into a shittier vehicle. I am awestruck.
All the brands of vehicle that have some of the worst historical reliability!
Absolutely fucking not.
Though it does sound like a good kicker for the after market systems to make a comeback.
Not a chance. The new ‘infotainment’ clusters integrate necessary features like climate control to prevent aftermarket replacements in most vehicles. I honestly don’t know if any manufacturers even use the single and double DIN standards anymore.
Mazda is supposedly one of the last major automakers that has mostly physical controls in their cars. Definitely at the top of my list for any future car purchases.
I highly recommend Mazda if this is something you care about. I had a 2016 Mazda 3, and now I have a 2022 Mazda 3. The infotainment is all controlled though a physical knob and buttons, the climate control is all physical buttons. I am not sure if the screen is even a touch screen… I don’t think it is, but I have never attempted to touch it since I was so used to using the physical knob system in my old 2016. The physical buttons are why I picked my current 3 turbo up over the WRX I also tested. The WRX and the other Subaru’s I checked out all annoyed me with forcing use of the touch screen snd buttons to change the climate settings. I hope Mazda never changes that aspect of their cars. Not sure if the other models also do this, but I don’t see why they would.
Also, the climate control is all on smaller screen that just displays info with the climate system. The infotainment has nothing to do with the climate controls.
My 2018 Chev Trax may be the perfect level of tech for my tastes. Climate stuff is all physical, but it has a nice screen that you can hook a phone to through a USB or Bluetooth to pass maps/audio/calls through it with the audio and calls being controllable by buttons on the wheel.
The only actual car operation buttons on the screen are things you wouldn’t do when driving anyhow like decide if it locks automatically or setting the default volume.
Most obnoxious thing it does is keep reminding me that the sat radio subscription is expired when I start it.
I have a 2015 Mazda 3 with 200,000 miles on it. I’ve spent $80 on repairs. An oil pressure sensor. It’s a fantastic vehicle.
Part of me is annoyed that I didn’t get a Mazda 3 when I got my car back in 2023, I got a 2021 Seat Leon FR PHEV Hatchback.
I like the Leon, but it has so much touch controls.
The worst is the controls for the fog lights, heated rear window and defrost.
They are all located on a small touch panel to the right of the steering wheel, it is also angled down making it harder to see.
So if I am driving and the windows start to fog up I need to take my eyes off the road and aim my finger to touch the correct button without touching any other controls as I might be blinding other drivers.
It is a terrible design.
The AC and battery management screens are all under different submenus on the infotainment screen.
The rest of the car is great though, and so far i have not seen any ads on the screen.
My 2023 Mazda has a touch screen but you never actually have to touch it. In fact, they put it far enough away that it is difficult to touch while driving and disable the touch when the car is moving. There are knobs and buttons in-between the front seats that control it. Also none of the important stuff is controlled through the infotainment system, it is just settings, satnav, and radio (or Android Auto/carplay). Not having to interact with a touch surface while driving is one of my favorite features of my car, and there are a lot of other things that I love about it too.
Mazda has been flying under the radar doing things right for a long time, in my experience.
I’m currently driving a 2012 Mazda3 that we bought new 13 years ago. It has been completely reliable while our 2013 Honda has needed some repairs. It is fuel efficient (40mg hwy), and it is still fun to drive. In the automatic transmission’s manual-shift mode the shift lever goes in the correct direction for driving dynamics (pull back to upshift, forward to downshift). In the normal automatic drive mode it seems to use an accelerometer to downshift when braking downhill.
My very first car was a mazda MX-6 from the late 80s with a 5-speed manual transmission. I bought it with 180,000 miles as a cheap junk “first car” and drove it for another 40,000 miles over the next few years. It needed some repairs, of course, but it was fun to drive and did a great job getting me around the state while I was in the late college to early independent adult years.
Now I’m middle aged and my drive to work is just a few miles via quiet twisty country road. I think I’m gonna get an MX-5 Miata next. 6-speed and soft top. That sounds nice.
For years I thought a fast dual motor EV sport sedan would be my next vehicle (whatever the non-Tesla model 3 performance equivalent would be) but a roadster would probably make it more fun to get up and leave the house. Plus so much cheaper and, given the small amount of miles I drive, probably more environmentally friendly. It would definitely generate a lot less microplastic pollution form the weight difference alone.
Despite no longer sticking to the DIN standard, and climate controls being integrated into the infotainment system, there still exists a big market for aftermarket infotaiment systems, they just have to be engineered for the specific make of car you have. But they can be bought for most cars that have infotaiment systems that are now outdated
I haven’t replaced a head unit in years, but I’m not surprised the proprietary systems require custom components for replacement. I can’t count the amount of head units I’ve replaced with my own ‘custom’ wire harness to save the $15 it cost for the Metra adapter. Lol
The Chinese won’t be stopped by that. CANBUS integration controlled by a poorly designed app coming to your (2-3 versions old) Android head unit!
Custom flashes are probably more likely given the system integration of the head unit. UBlock for your car. How crazy is that?
Jeep is a Stellantis product. Literally the worst quality auto manufacturer in North America. They are circling the drain and jacking up the prices on their vehicles and making Pikachu faces when they don’t sell. Their only customers are people who don’t know how to research their purchases, and putting advertisement hell into their cars is another example of that. I suspect they will not be in business a decade from now.
Jeep Renegade is a rebadged Fiat 500L.
It’ll be less than a decade
I work in the auto industry. Can confirm, Stellantis is in bad shape. I wouldn’t buy anything from them.
What’s confusing is that some great auto brands from Europe are under Stellantis (Peugeot and Citroen at least)
And they’re actually not doing a shitty job in designing or selling their vehicles. It’s mainly the Chrysler brands or basically the US brands under Stellantis. I seriously hope the shit happening in Chrysler doesn’t come trickling down to the other brands
Turns out regulations are good for businesses.
Regulations are definitely excellent for both businesses and consumers in the long term. But businesses are often too stupid to see past ANYTHING “quarterly”.
“Either the Line Goes Up or the Rope Goes Up” - evil CEOs everywhere
That depends on the business culture and how good their advisors are. And also the size if the business matter.
But yeah generally angelosaxton companies who have a mangement structure that’s way more in depth than it needs to be fuck these things over
They’re good for longevity, but they’re bad for quarterly profits. In the US, we care much more for the latter.
Peugeot and Citroën have their own issues in Europe (and technically in America) with the recall of car due to defective airbags.
Out of curiosity, who would you buy from?
Out of the American big three, I have the most confidence in Ford. I’ve worked with engineers at all three, and the ones at Ford are the ones that I felt were most compitent.
That being said, my next car will probably be a Toyota or a Subaru. Both way better than the American OEMs.
I had two Jeeps, first was originally my dad’s. It was an old shitbox. The other one was a somewhat old shitbox. 1998 & 2010. We dumped more time and money into them than I’d care to admit.
I thought this was a funny onion type of article… It isnt. Wtf
Our whole existence has turned into an Onion article.
It really has. And it’s getting worse every day. I wish that was hyperbole.
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There’s exactly zero chance I’d buy a car that showed me ads.
There was already zero chance I’d buy a Stellantis vehicle anyway after buying a brand new 1999 Dodge Durango that started rusting out sitting on our garage.
And while they did the bare minimum to remove the rust, but they didnt stand behind it. There was no way we were keeping it or buying anything else from them.
Dodge was owned by DaimlerChrysler in 99. I only know that because my family was in the car business and weren’t happy about that merger
Yep, all connected /same garbage IMHO I was a big DSM (Diamond Star Motors) fan back in the mid/late 90’s had a couple AWD Talons.
Meanwhile I used to drive a 99 Chrysler 300m and I swear it was one of the best vehicles I’ve driven. It only died because as an idiot 19 year old I thought the engine temperature gage could wait a day because I had to move into college.
That said it was the last car Chrysler made worth shit
This looks like a Luigi level threat
I’m curious what the customer agreement is for this? Is it in relatively plain sight or is this buried deep in the purchase agreement
No fucking way. Not even if the car was free.
Now hold on there, I’d let them do the ads and the vehicle tracking bs if the car was nice and it was free.
If I’m buying the car, there’s no fucking way.
If it’s a Jeep the screen and audio might break on their own anyway
Stop 👏 Buying 👏 New 👏 Shit 👏
I could run a whole community on how to recycle, reuse, repurpose. Why the hell are people buying new cars?!
Yup. Keeping old cars going on fossil fuels is so much better than millions of new cars being built every year, and in order for them to be built they ship them around the world to seperate facilities. I could go on and on
Because I’ve seen what people do with their vehicles. I bought my car new 13 years ago and I’ve been able to make sure it’s been properly maintained the entire time and no one else’s crud is all over the interior. I intend to keep it until it falls apart. Prior to that I had a truck I bought used and got maybe 5 years out of it before the transmission died with only medium mileage. I had maintained it but who knows what the person before me did with it.
That said if nothing changes with all this touchscreen infotainment shit I don’t know what I’ll do. I’ve hated every new vehicle I’ve been in the last few years.
Make that community. I’ll join up.
Ok, I’ll bite.
Did OP just time travel 25 years and post something from Slashdot?
I mean fark.com is still kicking, last I checked. I feel like some of these old sites are the web equivalent of BIFL products.
Replied to a comment there today; can confirm it's alive.
I was just thinking the slashdot used to be a massive source of traffic across the internet.
And now it’s a sink. How times change.
Note to self: Don’t buy a Jeep.
And if the only way you remember that is by a strong hook and bass line, I’ve got you covered.
I dunno man. Harrison Ford made it sound like it was more rewarding than raising children and more important than world peace. You gonna turn your back on what seems to be something more fulfilling to Harrison Ford than religion just because it’s an inferior product and it’s pushing ads in your face like a free playstore game?
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Lol! Imagine in 5pm traffic!..
Broom! Broom!
Stop!
Hey! You driving! The university of Phoenix has a degree just for you!
Go!
Stop!
And wells Fargo can help! Our loans are only 8% Apr!
Go!
Stop!
Pah pah pah pah…I’m loving it! At McDonalds we brought back the stegosaur burger! PST! Its actually crock!
Go!..
A Jeep was the worst car I’ve ever had
Sounds like the Jeep corporate execs should be charged with all the crimes that result from road rage incidents involving people who own Jeep products.
Please do. But keep in mind, when I invariably get jump-scared by your infotainment system and crack my head on the car ceiling, I’m going to turn your revenue stream into my personal early retirement pension.
Oh don’t be silly. It was YOU who got distracted! The laws are for thee, not me!
-The corporation, probably
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The Streisand Effect
What’s really funny is that the only thing I even know about Barbara Streisand is that picture.
The Streisand Effect has immortalized her to a whole new generation.
I don’t understand how this is related to the Streisand Effect. The Streisand Effect is when you try to suppress unflattering info about yourself, and in the process you call attention to it, so now everyone knows. But we didn’t learn about this through Jeep trying to suppress the info, we just learned about it from people who saw the ads.
That is the photo Barbara Streisand attempted to have removed from the internet, the effeft gets its name from this event and photo.
Right, but… what does it have to do with Jeeps showing in-car advertisements?
Welcome to lemmy comments. Someone else incorrectly mentioned the Streisand effect so this guy decided to be cheeky and post just the photo.
The ad they show is an ad for their own extended warranty package and it says that "Odometer must be less than 36000 miles to purchase" Anyone wanna take bets for whether or not that will actually shut up once you go over 36k miles? (I'm betting no)
We're really deep into nightmare territory with the kind of stuff companies feel its ok to do to customers..
If the jeep even makes it to 36k.
There’ll be a special maintenance package that will be available. Then it’ll be ads for new Stellantis vehicles.
"Check Engine light on again? Check out the new 2027 Jeep Wagoneer! You'll definitely get more miles out of the new one compared to the 2025 model thats now broken"
“To allow a mechanic to access the oil tank, please subscribe to our Premium Oil Change and Maintenance tier. Only $12.99/month. Your oil tank will remain hermetically sealed until you sign up.”
It’s not as bad as a Cybertruck! We promise!
We need legislation against the unending encroachment upon our daily lives by advertisers.
Yeah, like that’s gonna do anything…
And actual privacy protection.
Best of fucking luck, hon. You’re on the Fury Road now. What you need is a U-turn.
I read a post somewhere where someone started getting this after they went over 36000 miles
The car screen is a nice flat surface to attach the suction cup of your phone mount.
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CAT is on it. wiki.rossmanngroup.com/…/Stellantis_In_Car_Advert…
Oh this is the first time I’ve seen this wiki in the wild, neat!
I was looking for a car a few months ago and was looking at newer models, used, but mostly less than a decade old. Then I started reading about all the tracking and such.
I gave in to my inner teenager and bought a 2001 Porsche 911.
The entertainment center can connect via Bluetooth but there’s no Android Auto, no navigation. It has Sirius XM but I never had a subscription to it and never will.
I might add a backup camera but that’s it. My phone is more than enough tracking, even with as much of it shut off as possible.
This is the way.
Add in a magnetic charger phone mount and you’re golden in my opinion.
A previous owner mounted one where the cigarette lighter was. I’m going to replace it soon since it doesn’t really fit - I can’t charge my phone in the holder.
Maybe I’ll finally learn FreeCAD and print my own.
If you do want to learn a guy on YouTube by the name of mangojelly has been extremely inciteful for me
This is the way.
Yeah. Sometimes my bank account gets sad but I don’t.
Yeah, but other than a hybrid, fuel efficiency plateaued at some point before bells and whistles started being added to a surveillance system.
Damn, sweet ride dude! Congrats!
Thanks! The next car on the list was a 2004 Honda Civic Si hatchback manual.
I honestly would have been happy with either car. Having so much fun with the Porsche though.
Guess I wont stop then. Kids crossing the road? Too bad, I don’t wanna see the ads just because you have to get to the other side…
Anyone know any brand that doesn’t pull this kind of shit in their cars?
A bicyce at this point.
And the best part is you probably have local anarchists who want to help you learn to maintain it
I bought a 2025 Kia Sportage before the new Trumpflation taxes went into effect. No ads at all. I would have been pretty damn mad to see ads. Weird that Jeep has decided to self destruct.
Self-destructing is their key feature.
Lemon car
Jeep Lemon
1999 Honda Civic.
Sorry honey, I had to crash the Honda.
Who’s chopper is this?
It’s Zed’s.
Who’s Zed?
Zed’s dead, baby.
Anything made before ~2015. You have a lot of great cars to choose from.
Now people will even more inclined to not stop when needed…
Hey, you might want to team up with Sony…
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Is this real?? Do you have the source?
www.snopes.com/fact-check/sony-patent-mcdonalds
I’m lost for words.
…what if the whole family is watching? Does everyone have to raise their hands and yell “McDonalds”? Including the kids?
This might just as well be used in “smart” fridges. “Do this corporate dance to get 20% off your next Corn Flakes”
There’s just no way I’m ever going to do this.
Honestly, I’d rather go forage for twigs and berries than interact with ads.
I haven’t seen an ad in like 15 years or so (at home) and i already find them incredibly dystopian and weird. I don’t really understand how people put up with that right now, but it kind of tells me that they would actually do the laola wave and yell pepsi at their screen. I found my old VHS collection the other day and watched karate kid that i recorded as a child. I think it had 2 ad breaks who were really short, and back then we thought that it’s getting a bit much with the ads.
You raise a good point.
I’m much the same in that I just refuse to watch anything with ads. They really are dystopian and weird.
I also get that same feeling when I see someone just grinding through youtube ads, but people that do that just don’t seem to have any awareness of the interaction - it’s just part of the show.
The weirdest of all is when people (usually brave browser enthusiasts?) try to claim that “some” ads are actually a good thing because it makes them aware of some product they actually desire which they wouldn’t have been aware of otherwise. I’ll take blissful ignorance thanks.
So yes, I can imagine people doing this stuff without really thinking about it.
Here you go
www.snopes.com/fact-check/sony-patent-mcdonalds/
Edit: I didn’t see the other comment, oops
DRINK VERIFICATION CAN!
FTFY
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Wasnt there also something about showing ads while your show is paused now too?
I’m ready to go back to kodi.
Happens on Prime now
Depending on how long you were gone, don’t get real debrid btw.
What happened to real-debrid?
I don’t know the whole story. Real debrid is french, and they released a new law or something and real debrid all debrid and mega debrid just stopped working. Except for the thing no one uses it for.
“Speed”, but instead of a vehicle exploding, it’s to avoid ads.
Officer: Why were you speeding?
Me: Wanted to avoid ads.
This isn’t even funny… This is something people will do. Jeep doesn’t give a fuck about safety. FUCK Jeep.
Jeep isn’t a true company anymore it’s just another brand under Stellantis. So FUCK stellantis and every other brand under them.
Officer, “Why’d you run that red light?”
Me, “If I hear the Meow Mix jingle one more time I’m gonna snap!”
Jeep, having heard you mention a product, dutifully plays the relevant ad.
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Please drink a verification can.
Holy shit. For the love of Luigi, this is terrorism.
It’s only terrorism when poor people do it.
I heard the new 2025 model wallops you in the bollocks every time you pull the parking brake.
FAKE NEWS!!! Why would you want to pull an ancient lever mechanism if you can do it in a few taps on the touch screen. Sure, unless you have a premium subscription, you’ll have to watch a short video from our partners, tailored individually just for you.
I wonder if disconnecting the car’s cell antenna would prevent this crap from loading.
Does this car have Android Auto/Carplay? Hopefully while that is active you can’t see the ad either.
They generally go into limp mode if they cannot report on you.
I mean it’s a Jeep. You don’t buy that if you don’t want a limp car, anyways. :P
Could be like some of those TVs that have baked-in ads. So if you don’t have a data connection, they’ll just play the default ones.
Edit: I imagine that the car to prevent you from unplugging the antenna would probably do the classic, “I haven’t had a data connection in X amount of time, therefore I cannot verify the security of the device, so we’re going to prevent the use of autoplay.”
Or there’s an LTE chip soldered in there somewhere…
So does this mean I can stop hearing about stupid “Jeep Culture” bullshit now?
People can like jeeps bro calm down
Cool. What does that have to do with the whole “Jeep Culture” thing?
It means you dont need to shit on a random interest. What did rock crawlers and off-roaders do to you?
Be as interested in Jeeps as you like.
Saying you’re part of a culture because you bought something (especially something prohibitively expensive) is not something I will do anything but mock.
I don’t hear about “Mercedes Culture” or “Nissan Culture.” Probably because people way into those cars understand that it isn’t a culture just to be into a car.
Reducing peoples interests to consumerism is your culture i guess.
If i buy a mountain bike is my culture a mountain biker? How often do i have to ride to be justified in thay belief? How often do i have to post online about bikes? How many hours of youtube do i need to watch of mountain biking?
Jeeps do things normal passenger vehicles dont and people creating a community of interest on that basis is valid.
If you call mountain biking a culture, I’ll mock you for that too. Because it’s a hobby and a sport, not a culture.
Something isn’t a culture just because you and your friends want to base your identities around it.
I’m way into Star Trek. If I ever heard another Trekkie talk about “Trekkie Culture,” I’d have to resist the urge to slap them.
Now you’re just being pedantic. If you’re while argument was based on the usage of the word “culture” i think you could have made that point more clear lol.
Obviously you were talking about the validity of assembling for the interest of the Jeep brand.
For a professional lemming your performance hasnt been stellar this morning.
Well as long as it’s obvious to you, because it wasn’t obvious to me.
I thought I was just one of those weird people who believed words mean things. Thanks for setting me straight on what I really think.
Well if thats what you really meant then i applaud your ability to leverage how obtuse you are. It certainly seems to have proven you dont need to be clear about what you are saying to win an argument on lemmy.
You could have asked for clarification rather than just been aggressive this entire time, but your insults are noted.
Your first reply demonstrates your single-minded goal to “win” rather than clarifying your position. You milked the misunderstanding because thats why youre on here.
Thank you for telling me what my goal is. It’s something else I was entirely unaware of.
And then I milked the misunderstanding too! Wow!
Tell me, how do you know all these things about me that I am completely in the dark about?
Sorry, the question is how i can see? Or how you cant?
You tell me! I didn’t know any of this, so clearly I don’t know what questions to ask. You’re the expert on me here, not me.
I dont think you form questions. I think things just come straight out of your head onto gods upcoming commandments list.
Then you can certainly come up with the questions for me.
Unless you’re planning on telling me you don’t know how to use a very basic Lemmy client properly in this thread and pretend I apologized to you here too.
That does seem to be where this is headed given sync’s layout and your last-word complex.
That would be a lot easier for me to believe if this conversation weren’t longer than the other one.
But then maybe I do believe it. You know me better than I do, so I guess you’ll have to tell me what I believe for me to find out.
Also, I thought I knew how Sync worked and how that isn’t in any way a limitation. But clearly I haven’t used the superior version of Sync that you use.
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We are still okay for this conversation for another… 1 replies.
Weird, the version of Sync I have used allows you to easily avoid that just by clicking on the most recent comment link. But then I do not have this superior version you use.
Phew common ground. Want to be friends?
Sorry, I cannot answer any questions about what I want. That’s for you to declare about me.
Just when i thought we werent getting anywhere.
I went to add you but im realizing lemmy doesnt seem to have a friend list.
Oh. We’re already friends? I thought you asked me if we wanted to be. I guess we are. Which is weird, because I didn’t think my friends were people who insulted me and declared what I thought even though I was sure that wasn’t in any way what I thought.
In fact, I always thought my friends were nice and kind people who respected others enough to let them speak for themselves and didn’t run around lobbing insults.
But what do I know about my friends? It’s not like I’ve ever met them.
I’m fairly certain I like my friends, but I guess not if you’re one of them.
Gosh, if i had known you were such a victim i wouldnt have dared suggest you have a problem letting things go.
Shouldn’t you have known I was such a victim? I thought you knew all this stuff about me! You mean you actually don’t know about me? I’m so confused!
Well I certainly wouldn’t want to extrapolate your qualities from limited information. Maybe i should try thinking more about the reality of your situation and not feel obligated to conclude stuff about you. Sorry about my short-sighted meme behavior. I really am ruining lemmy even though i just wanted to drive engagement with the platform so it feels populated enough for people to transition from reddit without it feeling like a ghost town. Maybe i can still do that without being so damn annoying.
I’ve not heard of Jeep culture, myself, so now I’m going to imagine a colony of asexually-reproducing microscopic Jeeps in a Petri dish.
Today, O Squid, you have broadened my imagination beyond yesterday.
I would have much greater interest in microscopic Jeeps that could reproduce. I probably wouldn’t even mock them. Unless they were jerks.
I find it weird in general when people compliment things that i had nothing to do with. Like: nice tattoo. Thanks, i sat there for a bit and then it was done. I had a girlfriend who treated her car like she designed and build it herself. I even made a joke once where i said exactly that and je just cold heatedly said: she does that too. Like if someone would insult her car, she would take that very personally.
I thought this was the onion for a moment
Furthermore: Slashdot still exists? And it still has an active community in the comments!?
Lemmy alone hasn’t been enough to replace reddit for me; I should see if I still remember my old password…
Slashdot still has a good feed of articles. I never quit it 🤣
Yep it is slow but steady.
Fark is still around too.
Fark rules!
The site is still there, but the comment sections are no longer fun nor do you find intelligent feedback as frequently as you could in the early days. Last time I was poking around there, the mods were upvoting climate denial comments. So much for science. (source: low uid)
There are no high end middle class cars now. Used be if you got an audi, merc, beamer etc. You were part of an in group where youngot extras. Now you spend 80K and they want you to subscribe for cruise control and AC. Lambourghini and porsche dropped back to entrr the market and only brought their badge.
Are they adding this shit to cars that didn’t do that already?
This webpage is broken. It doesn’t have content until you allow thrid-party scripts.
Sorry I don’t check if a webpage requires 3rd party scripts before I post them for you. Leave it blocked and moved on I guess?
This is just one of the many reasons I have no interest in new cars. If it needs an internet connection then I’m not buying it. There are very few things I need my vehicle to be able to do and having access to internet isn’t one of them. I don’t even like that my truck has automatic wipers - I vastly prefer the traditional ones. Hell, I don’t even need the radio.
Honestly, fuck the whole thing, I’ll take my bike. With blackjack. And hookers.
Honestly, fuck the the bike, it will save you from purchasing a hooker
But then who will I play blackjack with?
Video showing ads on dashboard.
Video itself starts with a QR code ad embedded into it. And it’s on Youtube so who knows how many ads I skipped with uBlock…
Adception.
Disgusting. Why would anyone pay for that?
Just you wait until the windshields become screens as well. Full windshield ads baybe!
In USSR, despite all its downsides, there was a huge upside - magazines like “Техника - молодежи” and various educational brochures of the practical kind, aimed at explaining how to really make something.
And also a certain culture of hobbies associated with that, I guess all the energy from boredom went there.
So - I’ve read about competitions of hobby-crafted cars then. Like 20 guys would make some (like half of it would be something used in usual Soviet cars, think Reagan and the 10 years joke) parts of a car in their garages and apartments (and even at work, if they worked on some factory, for example ; in general workplace in USSR was, eh, a bit more permanent of an association, so the border between personal life and work, including tools, was fuzzy), then assemble them.
I think that could even be registered as a legal means of transportation. At least from what I’ve heard there is (or was) a surprisingly liberal part of Russian laws, allowing you to register almost anything as a car and get a number, with some criteria passed. Maybe these two things are related.
Easy, they call their cars something like renegade or maveric and some idiots pay 80k for that shitbox
I wanted a Jeep at some point. One of the nicer-looking models. A sand-yellow one, almost as good as a black g-wagon.
But yes, times change. I wanted one from the early 90s, maybe.
Sic transit gloria mundi.
I completely crossed off all GM cars due to lack of CarPlay. I am boycotting Tesla. I don’t trust BMW because they tried to make heated seats a subscription. Now Jeep and Stellantis?
I’m on year 9 of my 10 year car plan. Current vehicle is supposed to become the kidmobile and I planned on a new one.
I won’t buy a new car though. If I do replace mine, it will be a used, unconnected car. I am so tired of iPads on wheels.
my 2008 BMW is the last without a computer screen and none of that stupid knob and I had to seek it out but it was absolutely worth it. Bonus that I can actually work on the car my self!
I think cars peaked ca. 2010. Anything added after that are annoyances or things being taken away.
If I could get a brand new facelift E90, that would probably be my next car.
To be honest, I would just get an old car and fit a tablet into it
Mercedes also includes a number of items as a subscription in some countries. Some stuff is app related. Others are things like getting full use of your rear-steering wheels and unlocking extra horsepower.
Japanese manufacturers are not perfect but seem to be the least interested in doing this kind of anti-consumer nonsense, at least for now. I have been happy with every Mazda I’ve owned in the last decade (3 in total) for what it’s worth.
Yup, Toyota has been solid for me. Though admittedly, they’re also one of the worst in regards to data privacy; You should assume that every single thing you do in a Toyota is being recorded and sent back to a Toyota server for ad/tracking purposes.
Lol what? Ur car got internet?
Just pull the OnStar /gps fuse
Most cars have a SIM card with a very basic data/phone service. In many jurisdictions, it’s a legal requirement for cars to have a button to call emergency services, so they need phone connectivity for that. It’s also used for software updates, map updates, and of course, data collection.
Holy crap I feel old now. Since when? I’m still driving a car without a touch screen, and that’s never going to change.
I’m not sure how long.
My older car (2012 Mazda 3) didn’t have a touch screen. I replaced the radio with a touch screen Pioneer one that supports Android Auto. I’d definitely recommend doing that! It’s nice having Google Maps on an older car. The third-party radios tend to be better than the OEM ones (they have to be, otherwise nobody would buy them) and I don’t think Pioneer does data collection of any sort.
I just wish Mazda had a good EV. Their EVs just aren’t that good at the moment. I leased a BMW iX a few months ago, but my old car (which I still have) is a 2012 Mazda 3. Love the EV experience and I don’t think I’ll buy a gas powered car ever again.
Any pure EV from Mazda is actually a rebadged Chinese car but I forget which brand. It’s basically the only way Mazda could sell EVs in China and that’s what they offer to the European market as well. In North America, I know we only have the PHEV variants but no EV only.
Toyotas are still good
Toyota Sales here Boy do I have some BMW Heated seat subscription crap to sell you
(Its not quite as bad as BMW. But one thing that really irks customers is the remote starter is restricted to a subscription service. unless you’re one of the lucky ones who got a vehicle that installed the wrong part/fuses. in which case you can still remote start your car with the fob. its still very finnicky)
Yeah that remote start subscription really pissed me off. If i could confirm a way to give them even less data i would.
I am still awaiting my first map update to my nav system that has free lifetime map updates, my truck will be 10 this year.
Something to consider…
Elon may be going down a conservative rabbit hole these days, but this is the sort of thing Tesla would never ever ever do. And things like using the telematic system to sell your location and speed to insurance companies. Never happened on a Tesla. You may not like the guy, but the cars are fucking solid.
Rainbow road mode is a bitch
Tesla’s have their own privacy issues, and build quality issues . Tesla’s staff have been caught spying on their customers and sharing sensitive images of people .
That practice was halted and now the vehicle video is under MUCH stricter control with an option to not share any of it at all.
Given the choice, I’d rather have some Tesla employee joking about what I park next to than Tesla Inc selling my driving data to insurance companies like most other automakers do…
Believing any of that means trusting President Elon Musk. I certainly don’t
Doesn’t Tesla lock larger battery capacity begging a paywall?
That was from years ago.
Tesla used to sell cars rated by pack capacity. For example the ‘P85D’ was the performance model, 85 kWh pack, dual motor.
There was also a 40 kWh (cheaper) and 60 kWh version.
After a while they stopped building 40 kWh packs and just software-locked the 60 kWh pack to only have 40 kWh of usable capacity. I think for a while they offered an upgrade where you could pay to unlock the extra capacity.
I don’t think they’ve done that in some time. I know when I bought my car (model y long range) they didn’t even advertise the pack capacity nor was any upgrade offered. The only paywall thing I’ve seen with Tesla is FSD and they’re pretty transparent about that. I don’t think they’re awful for paywalling it, because if they build the car without the FSD hardware it won’t have other safety systems like lane departure notification.
Oh, he’s just going down a rabbit hole! He’s going on a cute little adventure where he does a fucking Nazi salute in front of the whole country, then proceeds to recklessly dismantle huge parts of the US government, but it’s all just part of his magical little journey! Teehee!
Just give him a few more weeks.
Tesla? You mean the Ford Pinto of EVs?? www.rawstory.com/cybertruck-2671127676/
Try driving through a car wash without activating “car wash mode”. 😂
I’ve done it. I think it might have opened the charge port or something. What do you think happens?
This only applies to GM EVs. Friend has a 2025 ICE Chevy which has both AA and CarPlay. Still dumb that the EVs don’t have it though.
Uncle Teddy would definitely not approve of this.
Nor cousin luigi…
Something something stallmanwasright.
This is all I need to never even look at a Jeep… how pathetic can these idiots get?
This, exactly this. The fact that they would even consider this rules them out for me forever.
I already had dozens of reasons to never buy a Jeep. This is just the cherry on a shitty cake.
Yep, I swore off any and all Chrysler products over a decade ago.
It’s actually part of the Sirius XM package. So I think that all you have to do is not bother with Sirius XM.
Too bad it comes with the jeep…
Also a great way for me to never consider looking at a Ram, Chrysler, Dodge, or whatever the fuck else this corporation makes.
Who do they think owns the Jeeps?
I’ve known several Jeep owners over the last decade and those that weren’t buying it strictly for the ‘Jeep clout’ as an actual vehicle/daily driver had constant issues, while under warranty, and dealt with issues even trying to get said warranty work done. Like that wasn’t enough for me, on top of that I had a mechanic with his own shop that said he’d never touch another Jeep because of how horribly they are designed to work on. Anything from ease of access to work on the engine to bolts stripping out because they were overtorqued during assembly and made with shit metals that would sooner melt than come off in one piece. Now this? Yeah, hope they go bankrupt. This is just as bad as BMW and their ‘pay a subscription for seat warmers’ bullshit.
Yeah I’ve never heard anything good about jeeps in general. Now they are being run further into the ground by trying to become a luxury brand. At least when it was just a shitty jeep, it was still a somewhat cheap shitty jeep.
When I was young, you (supposedly) could still buy WWII-era original Jeeps disassembled and packed into crates in cosmoline. I always wanted one of those but never had any desire to own a modern one.
You know, I’ve got to give their marketing team props for managing to sell a vehicle with the engineering quality of a Saturn to people with more money than sense for a whole ass order of magnitude more than it’s worth. Game recognizes game.
Its not marketing it’s that they extend credit to anyone who comes through the door. 550 credit score? No problem sir, here is your $62500 RAM 1500, loaded with options. If you can’t pay $1000/month for a Kia why not splurge and not pay $2000/month for an optioned out truck?
dodge in general did not do well on realiability, Thing is they have neat engineering. So I loved the grand caravan but they killed it to try and get folks to pay toyota prices for their shit and its like no. You vehicles have to be ten grand cheaper so that you amoratize the repair bills.
The dodge caravan was my teenage car. I loved it. Big. Ugly. No one wanted to drive with me and that was perfect because they also would have tried smoking in the car and I’d have broken out in hives. I miss you, dodge caravan.
Yeah its to bad they got rid of it and they did some things that ruined the pacifica that took its place. For people with limited mobility the seats are the perfect height where you don't drop into them and you don't have to climb up into them. Being able to stow all the seats and in more recent time the roof rack is just incredibly useful. Then all the basic minivan things are really great. sliding side doors, the rear window winglet things and then the rear hatch. urge to suddenly go camping just have to back it up to the firepit and you can roast marshmellows in the rain.
Cyberpunk 2077 here we come. except its just the Corpo shit.
Even 2077 didn’t have ads in your car.
No, but V’s apartment did have advertisements on the windows and a vending machine in the living room
Drivers don’t need to be watching the road, they need to be watching this ad.
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Still! A screen changing is still something that grabs your attention.
If they are static, they’ll probably be like this:
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Fuck this shit. I don’t even want to ever buy a newer car these days. Too much invasive bullshit.
fuck me because my cars like 10 years old.
Old cars are gonna be so expensive.
I wonder how hard it would be to make an open source car brain that can be a drop-in replacement for the commercial ones?
Hard, even stuff from 10 years ago have proaitary hardware across multiple “brains”.
I drive a 2006. I have physical buttons and a shifter where my hand can lean on. Its great. lol
I think anything 2008 and before is kinda a sweet spot for car driving quality. After the subprime crisis its like all the car makers went to shit.
How to get me to not buy a Jeep and to hate anyone pushing these ads (Mopar) in one simple act.
hahahahahaha nope.
“You almost ran over a five year old with your oversized vehicle, thanks for breaking! This segment is brought to you thanks to BetterHelp…”
or better yet “You just ran over a single mother while missing her child! this segment brought to you by BetterHelp, you’re gonna need it!”
So is this considered distracted driving?
No, it’s considered distracted stopping. /s
Same damn diffence in my book, fuck Jeep for that shit!
lmao wtf
This is why you need government. This is why you need regulations.
Corporations are evil pieces of shit that would have you watch ads without seatbelts and without air bags.
They’d grind you and your entire family into a powder if it made them a few bucks.
Fuck Jeep and their shitty tin cars.
This is why we need government that isn’t in the pocket of corporations.
We need something like lawmakers having to disclose their tax information annually. If you want to be in office and make millions you should be willing to put your morals on the review table.
No, they would require you purchase these because their business can’t sell their products without them, but they’d make you pay a subscription for them to keep working, and when you stop paying the subscription, the car stops turning on until you pay your monthly airbag and seatbelt fee.
They really do take 80s and 90s dystopian movies as inspiration. Almost funny how ridiculous unimaginatively evil that are.
This is why used cars are so dang expensive, it seems like automobile quality has been in a free fall since 2008. The end user experience gets worse while the price goes up.
Love my 2013 Honda. Haven’t driven anything newer
That’s newer then I would go but yeah at least Honda seems to be behind on the complete shit curve.
Enshitification.
Early 2000s jap cars are unkillable, surplus of parts, and are not tracker spyware nests. Great little things for sure. My 90s turboed volvo is a far more temperamental beast, but I cherish her quirks :)
Right now my car is an 84. With a back up 86 truck. I used to have a 2011 subaru, but hit an prairie antelope with it. If I had my pick I think 1990-2008 Japanese cars are the sweet spot.
Aren’t those older cars absolute death traps in collisions compared to the newer ones?
No, The issue is with conceptions of auto safety becoming a selling point. For example look at the single biggest invention in reducing crash fatality? You would think maybe airbags, seat belts or ABS brakes… But nope, collapsible steering columns. But we are now sold “death proof” SUVs that are not really safer, in some ways worse. The issue is that safety devices have a diminishing return but fear is a great selling point, I would say there are old things that are death traps (like square body chevys) and things like saabs that I would say are to this day built safer then new cars. If we look at the data for auto fatalities per capita we can see that car safety has not had some magical jump since the late 80s but a more expected gradual change.
As a side note I do and have done a lot of driving and from what I have seen in the last 20 plus years is a slide into cars that are:
At the end of the day I would rather drive a car that I can see out of and has a degree of safety devices (seat belts, collapsible steering column, working brakes) then something that is built like a living room on low profile tires that I will at some point crash. Bonus points if it does not explode or catch fire easily (think pintos or teslas).
1998 Toyota Corolla vs 2015 Toyota Corolla
Yes, But this is my point. You are sharing a video from “CAR TV” who’s tag line is “Watch New Model Cars With Pleasure 🎬” Its very much selling the idea that newer is safer, but the data only shows a slight increase in safety (and nothing on rate of crashes old vs new). In the video they show the two cars crashing but no data at all, the 1998 one from what I can see looks non fatal (seatbelt held, engine block not in lap, steering wheel not impaling chest) but not only do they say “The test showed the driver of the older Corolla would likely have died as a result of the 64km/h collision” they also don’t show that data. Even when looking for sources I get almost no where, this stinks.
Oh and in the little write up they say “ROAD safety experts have renewed calls for drivers to get behind the wheel of newer cars after an unprecedented crash test revealed shocking results.” Why do they write ROAD in all caps? Is this a special interest group? A lobbyist? No idea I can’t even check since there are no sources!
I am not saying newer cars don’t have more safety built in, I am saying its a matter of finding what level you are comfortable in and to not get suckered into needless fear over your cars safety rating while the average driver does not even maintain their car’s brakes.
Personally if my brakes are fucked I want all the other safety features I can get.
Might I suggest instead of spending money on a car payment, spend less then a car payments worth of money on maintance? I am shocked at how many bald tyre, brakes fucked, window washer fluid depleted cars are sliding around in winter.
I fail to see how spending less on maintenance would fix that.
Typo, I fixed it.
Makes sense.
Everyone with the new LED headlights that feel painfully illegal in my eye sockets - they are the bane of my morning commute.
I remember as a kid there was a test where you parked in a spot and there where lines on a wall to check your light alignment. This was just a thing that was done, even sometimes by police on the roadside. Now? Fuck you and your retinas I guess, I don’t think a single new vehicle would pass that test today.
Roku was experimenting with similar stuff so I refuse to connect my Roku tv to WiFi. Will never update it
Ya, they’ve been getting bad press for a while now. Will never own one of those.
The TVs aren’t a bad value. Gotta get back the the jailbreaking days. If someone released a custom firmware for my Roku tv that made it dumb I would use it.
Never said they were bad value, but they are spyware
If you slam on the brakes it makes the ad extra large
Make the jeep 50% cheaper and I’d deal the ads. Otherwise …
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They’ll make it cheaper for awhile to justify it to the public and government and then slowly raise the price so that you’re paying full price AND watching ads.
So Netflix….
YouTube TV
Oh HELLLLL no. I hope my 2012 Subaru will last until I’m either dead or too old to drive. I don’t even want to have these damn screens for the usual shit you have to do on them. I want to be able to do everything with physical controls, no eavesdropping, and no dependence on a fucking app or touchscreen to operate anything in my car! I will drive my car while wearing mittens! shakes fist
Classic cars my man.
Aw yeah, 14mpg, two distinct oil leaks, and cabins full of mold because the vintage weather strips failed forty years ago. (I drive a late 90s pickup and am acutely aware of the tradeoffs that come with older cars, even ones that are maintained relatively well.)
Worth it, when the alternative is ads
Maybe we just throw an ad on the windshield… Like a little one… Off to the side?
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There will soon come a time when I am only able to shop for a new car at a junkyard.
Get a horse, gonna be cheaper it seems. And you don’t have to pay for heated seats haha
Have you seen the prices for oats these days!?
Yes… but, grass goes in, fast comes out, use your horse for lawn care services lol
On unrelated topics, I am now radicalized and I hope that capitalism falls violently
Don’t worry, our choice for each election is capitalism and cruelty free capitalism, it’s always been a matter of time.
It will always be the case that given enough time a capitalist will find a way to convince the public to vote against self interest just a little, and then the snowball starts rolling.