Injure? Injure?? If someone gets nothing but a boo boo from a falling fucking satellite then they need to go buy a lottery ticket right away.
GratefullyGodless@lemmy.world
on 16 Oct 2023 02:35
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It can hit in someone’s vicinity causing them injury. It would rarely be a direct strike.
abhibeckert@lemmy.world
on 16 Oct 2023 02:54
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I recommend you never buy a lottery ticket - because clearly you don’t understand how luck works.
If a satellite were to smash through the roof of my office and land harmlessly on the floor, I reckon I’d be quite startled and might bump my knee on the bottom of the desk…
There’s definitely a risk of injury, and you’re far more likely to be injured than killed.
I’d probably also have to pay a couple hundred thousand dollars to repair my home, since I don’t think insurance covers falling satellites and I’m certainly not going to try and sue a company on the other side of the world when they probably didn’t do anything against the law anyway. Bruised knee would be the least of my problems.
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world
on 16 Oct 2023 03:08
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Nah, if a satellite crashes through my roof, I’m definitely gonna be a first time lottery ticket buyer that day.
admin@lemmy.my-box.dev
on 16 Oct 2023 04:35
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Why? Wouldn’t you have spent all your luck for that day?
burntbutterbiscuits@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Oct 2023 03:17
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The lottery chances are independent of the other event I believe so why not go for it
CmdrShepard@lemmy.one
on 16 Oct 2023 06:32
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With my luck, I’d buy the winning lottery ticket and then get hit by a satellite the following day.
Deceptichum@kbin.social
on 16 Oct 2023 03:24
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Among other things, SpaceX said the FAA’s debris estimates were based on a 23-year-old study of satellites that were made with different materials than Starlink satellites. SpaceX says its own satellites are designed to burn up completely when they reenter the atmosphere.
The FAA report to Congress did include a caveat that said, “If SpaceX is correct in reporting zero surviving debris, as SpaceX reports in FCC filings, and Starlink is a fully-demisable spacecraft, the rise in reentry risk is minimal over the current risk.”
HarkMahlberg@kbin.social
on 16 Oct 2023 16:22
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“If SpaceX is correcthonest in reporting zero surviving debris, as SpaceX reports in FCC filings, and Starlink is a fully-demisable spacecraft, the rise in reentry risk is minimal over the current risk.”
Yeah, I was going to say that there is no way that could be correct. There are only like 8000 satellites in orbit. There is no fucking way that small of a number is going to be hurting someone every couple years.
treadful@lemmy.zip
on 16 Oct 2023 05:38
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The people that put sats up have to calculate how every component will burn up in the atmosphere before they even get approval. Simply put, there’s basically no chance of anyone dying from these things reentering the atmosphere.
rambaroo@lemmy.world
on 16 Oct 2023 08:31
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Who wouldn’t? They are doing some of the most advanced rocket science on the planet. Of course, trusting corporations statements and research is an entire topic of it’s own.
Taking Elon Musk seriously on the other hand…
ohitsbreadley@discuss.tchncs.de
on 16 Oct 2023 10:37
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Because they are a corporation that is actively littering LEO with hundreds of satellites, and fear economic retribution and/or responsibility as a consequence of this kind of information?
You see how there might be something called “conflict of interest?”
Having a conflict of interest does not mean they aren’t competent at what they do - just that they have reason to be biased against information that may result in direct consequence.
threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Oct 2023 13:38
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While SpaceX does launch and operate thousands of satellites, this also means that they stand to lose the most if LEO becomes cluttered with space junk. If anyone ought to be worried about space junk, it is the launch providers. If space junk becomes a problem, their customer base vanishes.
ohitsbreadley@discuss.tchncs.de
on 16 Oct 2023 17:47
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Ok Thre-ElonMusk-eteers.
You keep gobbling that knob. Maybe daddy will pay attention to you one day
The dragon capsule isn’t going to suddenly fall out of orbit somewhere unexpected…
It’s highly unlikely, but the possibility isn’t 0. Like, what if an untracked asteroid hits it out of orbit?
Blastasaurus@lemm.ee
on 16 Oct 2023 06:31
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There are around 50,000 Starlink near misses per year.
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world
on 16 Oct 2023 10:44
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Well, the chance isn’t zero, but that example, being knocked out (disabled or destroyed) by an asteroid has never happened to any spacecraft, ever. Statically the chances of that happening are very very close to zero.
Agent641@lemmy.world
on 16 Oct 2023 07:14
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Do we know who this ‘someone’ is? Sucks to be them.
qyron@sopuli.xyz
on 16 Oct 2023 10:22
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Perhaps fetching all of that junk might be a good idea? Perhaps a satellite trash collector satellite.
the text is showing hight probability of AI generation. Which adult human being is going to write eg: " In this article, we will discuss the FAA report in detail, including the risks posed by falling satellites, the causes of these risks, and the potential solutions to mitigate them." 🤖
it does not say anything else than this - much more likely human written thing here - only the original is only 1/3 as long. That is IMO how come the AI Writing is literraly jumping out on you from the article. 😱
MooseBoys@lemmy.world
on 16 Oct 2023 16:45
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the probability that the satellite debris will not be completely burned during the fall and cause injury or death to people on the ground is 0.6 per year. This means it would happen once every two years
That doesn’t mean it will fucking hit someone. The surface area of the planet is 510e12 m^2. There are about 8B people on the planet. Even if we conservatively assume that everyone is lying flat on their back in the middle of an open field, that’s only about 8B m^2 of vulnerable surface area. At that rate, you’d expect an injury interval of 510e12 / 8e9 / 0.6 = 1 injury every 106 thousand years. Yes there is some correlation of common orbits and human population, so we can be conservative and put it at 50,000 years.
This article was either written by AI, or a human with an IQ of 50
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 16 Oct 2023 20:01
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So far, no one has ever been killed by a meteorite. There’s been a scary injury, some unconfirmed rumors and at least one engine block was cracked in half.
That said, death by thing falling from space is totally how I want to die. Bonus points if I’m totally disintegrated and just MIA. ( Circuitboard. It was man made. Has anyone seen Uriel? ) A falling satellite will be fine.
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Injure? Injure?? If someone gets nothing but a boo boo from a falling fucking satellite then they need to go buy a lottery ticket right away.
It can hit in someone’s vicinity causing them injury. It would rarely be a direct strike.
I recommend you never buy a lottery ticket - because clearly you don’t understand how luck works.
If a satellite were to smash through the roof of my office and land harmlessly on the floor, I reckon I’d be quite startled and might bump my knee on the bottom of the desk…
There’s definitely a risk of injury, and you’re far more likely to be injured than killed.
I’d probably also have to pay a couple hundred thousand dollars to repair my home, since I don’t think insurance covers falling satellites and I’m certainly not going to try and sue a company on the other side of the world when they probably didn’t do anything against the law anyway. Bruised knee would be the least of my problems.
Nah, if a satellite crashes through my roof, I’m definitely gonna be a first time lottery ticket buyer that day.
Why? Wouldn’t you have spent all your luck for that day?
The lottery chances are independent of the other event I believe so why not go for it
With my luck, I’d buy the winning lottery ticket and then get hit by a satellite the following day.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/1954-extraterrestrial-bruiser-shocked-alabama-woman-180973646/
Satellites will have thoroughly fragmented by the time they reach the ground, you'd be hit by a piece of a satellite.
Assuming the study being referenced wasn't actually badly flawed, which it appears to be.
One can get hurt without a direct hit. E.g. when a window bursts from a shockwave and hurts people inside a building.
Absolutely debunked, FAA accepted a report that didn’t do proper research and have been called out by SpaceX for it.
Someone downvoted you but you are correct. The report used assumptions based on satellites not even made of the same materials as starlink satellites.
arstechnica.com/…/spacex-says-faa-is-wrong-about-…
Yeah, I was going to say that there is no way that could be correct. There are only like 8000 satellites in orbit. There is no fucking way that small of a number is going to be hurting someone every couple years.
The people that put sats up have to calculate how every component will burn up in the atmosphere before they even get approval. Simply put, there’s basically no chance of anyone dying from these things reentering the atmosphere.
Lol SpaceX. Why would I take them seriously?
Who wouldn’t? They are doing some of the most advanced rocket science on the planet. Of course, trusting corporations statements and research is an entire topic of it’s own. Taking Elon Musk seriously on the other hand…
Because they are a corporation that is actively littering LEO with hundreds of satellites, and fear economic retribution and/or responsibility as a consequence of this kind of information?
You see how there might be something called “conflict of interest?”
Having a conflict of interest does not mean they aren’t competent at what they do - just that they have reason to be biased against information that may result in direct consequence.
While SpaceX does launch and operate thousands of satellites, this also means that they stand to lose the most if LEO becomes cluttered with space junk. If anyone ought to be worried about space junk, it is the launch providers. If space junk becomes a problem, their customer base vanishes.
Ok Thre-ElonMusk-eteers.
You keep gobbling that knob. Maybe daddy will pay attention to you one day
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I’ll just stay inside that day, or better yet go hang out in a tunnel
Wait until you hear about Boring Company 's rogue tunnel diggers…
In 2034 once every two years, a person will end up in a randomly dug tunnel.
“Hey what the hell?”
This completely ignores the fact that the 2034 Full Self Driving beta release roadmap includes falling satellite avoidance capabilities.
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The thumbnail image isn’t even a satellite…
The dragon capsule isn’t going to suddenly fall out of orbit somewhere unexpected…
It’s highly unlikely, but the possibility isn’t 0. Like, what if an untracked asteroid hits it out of orbit?
There are around 50,000 Starlink near misses per year.
Well, the chance isn’t zero, but that example, being knocked out (disabled or destroyed) by an asteroid has never happened to any spacecraft, ever. Statically the chances of that happening are very very close to zero.
Do we know who this ‘someone’ is? Sucks to be them.
Perhaps fetching all of that junk might be a good idea? Perhaps a satellite trash collector satellite.
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That sounds like a twisted version of missile command.
Heat me out: Burnout crash mode, but with falling satellites.
ISS Space station final upgrade
Wow, I’ve never heard about “GIZCHINA”. It definitely isn’t gizmodo - right? 🤔 Right!
This is my least favourite century yet.
TBF the original article you linked is in Chinese and does not have ads in the middle of the article, so you should compare their translated lengths.
All in all we need the original FAA report.
Edit: Ars Technica is way more useful as always.
That doesn’t mean it will fucking hit someone. The surface area of the planet is 510e12 m^2. There are about 8B people on the planet. Even if we conservatively assume that everyone is lying flat on their back in the middle of an open field, that’s only about 8B m^2 of vulnerable surface area. At that rate, you’d expect an injury interval of 510e12 / 8e9 / 0.6 = 1 injury every 106 thousand years. Yes there is some correlation of common orbits and human population, so we can be conservative and put it at 50,000 years.
This article was either written by AI, or a human with an IQ of 50
So far, no one has ever been killed by a meteorite. There’s been a scary injury, some unconfirmed rumors and at least one engine block was cracked in half.
That said, death by thing falling from space is totally how I want to die. Bonus points if I’m totally disintegrated and just MIA. ( Circuitboard. It was man made. Has anyone seen Uriel? ) A falling satellite will be fine.