Musk is going to be PISSED when he finds out there is no bureau of physics he can subsume or destroy from within. I believe one Rush Stockton came to a similar conclusion, if he indeed had time for that conclusion to even form before perishing.
ghosthacked@lemmy.wtf
on 20 Jun 07:16
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Elon should really pilot the next starship himself. Just put a small 1 person capsule on top (or maybe even 5 people so he can take some of his billionaire friends along) and connect a playstation controller to the engines.
Stockton did it, and he made several succesful trips. What you do yourself, you do better!!
Waiting for the SpaceX bros to tell everyone how this was actually a good thing because it was supposed to happen and means everything is going well.
real_squids@sopuli.xyz
on 19 Jun 16:12
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As long as nobody was harmed they could blow up a hundred rockets for all I care. Maybe it’ll even help with competition, like make other companies switch launch vehicles, so it might be a good thing (just not for them) lol
People live around there, so harm is definitely being done to the air they breathe and the environment they live in.
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works
on 19 Jun 16:43
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The people living there now are all employees. Basically Musk’s mining town
UberKitten@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 19 Jun 18:35
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it is liquid oxygen and liquid methane deflagrating, the main result is water and CO2. not exactly harmful
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
on 19 Jun 20:05
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but is it significant harm, compared to other things?
i mean, every company harms the environment somewhat. streets pollute the environment through their presence. oil refineries leak huge amounts of methane into the air. factories often produce toxic chemicals as by-products.
skittle07crusher@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Jun 00:37
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What long weekend? Their asswipe of a boss doesn’t believe in anything but the 80-hour workweek for employees, and there’s no way he’s not demanding more overtime to rebuild after this fuck-up.
Fuck all commercial dependency. Fully fund NASA, and let them like what they did back in the 60s, which no company could have done.
Stop relying on corporations to lead our space programs. It's too important to leave to grifters and corner cutters.
GamingChairModel@lemmy.world
on 19 Jun 19:33
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NASA has always been dependent on commercial for profit entities as contractors. The Space Shuttle was developed by Rockwell International (which was later acquired by Boeing). The Apollo Program relied heavily on Boeing, Douglas Aircraft (which later merged into McDonnell Douglas, and then merged with Boeing), and North American Aviation (which later became Rockwell and was acquired by Boeing), and IBM. Lots of cutting edge stuff in that era happened from government contracts throwing money at private corporations.
That’s the whole military industrial complex Eisenhower was talking about.
The only difference with today is that space companies have other customers to choose from, not just NASA (or the Air Force/Space Force).
NASA ran the projects. They have specifications to contractors for manufacturing. That's a far cry from farming out the entire process and renting space on a commercial rocket.
GamingChairModel@lemmy.world
on 20 Jun 01:42
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NASA funded SpaceX based on hitting milestones on their COTS program. Those were just as available to Boeing and Blue Origin, but they had less success meeting those milestones and making a profit under fixed price contracts (as opposed to the traditional cost plus contracts). It’s still NASA-defined standards, only with an offloading of the risk and uncertainty onto the private contractors, which was great for SpaceX and terrible for Boeing.
But ultimately it’s still just contracting.
brbposting@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Jun 06:34
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Really interesting— I don’t follow this nearly enough, so thanks
If Starship wasn’t constantly exploding you might have a point. Seems as though that the reality is that they’re all pretty much at the same spot but Elon wants to pretend that they aren’t.
Falcon 9 has launched over 500 mission with a very high success rate. Of course the bulk of advancement should be coming from NASA and we need to spend more there, but SpaceX is putting up big numbers in successful payload lifts.
It’s less that people are putting faith in Elon (sure, some fanatics might be), but it’s that everyone else is somehow even worse.
SpaceX is actually getting stuff to space, despite their prototypes blowing up. Hell, even if this Starship thing is a complete failure and never works, their existing rocket, the Falcon, is still far beyond any of the competition.
The SLS: $10 Billion and a decade late to develop a ship that recycles old Space shuttle parts, then costs $2-3 Billion per launch, and maybe can only launch one every 2 years.
ULA Vulcan: currently years late, still finding problems, and even after all that gets worked out, it can maybe do 6 launches a year?
SpaceX: 1-2 launches per week.
That’s not faith, that’s just facts. I would absolutely love to have somebody else step up and take SpaceX’s crown, but… there really isn’t anybody. Bezos’s Blue Origin may have the biggest chance, but they are more likely to act like ULA than SpaceX.
Jimmycakes@lemmy.world
on 20 Jun 04:50
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Bezos seems pretty happy with space tourism he doesn’t wanna work for the government. Gotta kinda be sick to want to in the first place.
Let my try and distill that. SpaceX is capable of doing some good work, when Elon leaves them alone.
Remember, Starship is Elon’s napkin drawing idea of making a big cheap steel tube. Bigger and bader than everyone else! For a mission that doesn’t exist, which it’s not even designed properly for. Starship is 100% Elon’s blunder and he’s made so many insane promises for it that it’s dragging SpaceX down.
breakingcups@lemmy.world
on 19 Jun 17:45
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It’s kinda fun to be living in a time where rockets regularly blow up again. Apart from, you know, everything else going on and not wanting astronauts to die.
MysteriousSophon21@lemmy.world
on 19 Jun 19:48
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Honestly, rocket development has always been filled with explosions - the Saturn V had like 6 engine-out events during Apollo and the early Falcon 9 tests were just as explosive. what’s different now is we get to see the failures in HD livestreams instead of classified footage that would’ve been buried in the 60s.
Separating the message from the messenger is a key skill. A right answer doesn’t become wrong because it comes from a jerk.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Jun 05:50
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Yep me being an uncouth asshole has little to no bearing on my point. It’s like those uppity cunts who act like theyre better just cause they don’t swear, usually they are morons I mean Mormons and thusly my inbuilt snob filter works wonders.
Agreed, but your point will usually be a lot better received if you aren’t a dick. SpaceX is a great example- it’s a great company, but the head of the company taints the whole thing they are trying to achieve.
It comes down to respect. Even if I’m wrong, treating me with respect will mean I’m more likely to respect you, and if I respect you I’m going to respect your argument.
brbposting@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Jun 06:38
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Hey there I didn’t complain or downvote but also declined to upvote cuz of the two little tiny words of ad hom……
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DINGUS! Dingus would’ve saved it!
ya dingus
Perfect, feels very Lemmy-appropriate—gets the insult with a perfect lulz factor so even the parent commenter could’ve kinda laughed (I hope ppl can take jokes!)
…sorry I know I’m not your mom, hope this doesn’t come across maximally prescriptive (just my 2c!)
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Jun 19:59
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I ain’t using dingus firstly cause I’m pretty sure dankpods has a copyright on it and secondarily it has none of the gutteral bite that damned near every other insult in my dialect has. Also I go out of my way to commit some level of ad hom since I find that it’s a fine way to figure out if folks have thick enough skin to take seriously, worst case scenario they throw a punch and that’s just a good time for me.
In this case you happen to be right on both counts.
Squirrelanna@lemmynsfw.com
on 20 Jun 05:35
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We can do both? What’s a rocket scientist going to do about systemic oppression and the rise of fascism that excludes them from working on rockets still?
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
on 20 Jun 12:46
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the thing is, when you build rockets, and they actually work, and put people on mars, you can reasonably demand that people who demand exponential growth actually go to mars, because earth is already full. this way, you can get rid of the billionaires.
I’ll have to read up on that. I didn’t know they had tried anything because of the whole can’t make missiles thing.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world
on 20 Jun 10:26
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Japanese cars are superior to American cars
I had a high school friend who went on to become an engineer at General Motors. One of his first projects for them was tearing down an Infiniti and a Lexus when those cars first came on the market. He said that at the time, GM cars typically had between 300 and 400 production defects of varying severity. When they took apart the Infiniti, they found 2 production defects; when they took apart the Lexus, they found 0.
I worked on the Lexus line in Georgetown, KY one summer between semesters. Their standards are insane. Worked the Toyota Camry line the summer before that.
On the Camry line, if they found a defect, they would correct it, then have a QC stand there and inspect every affected car for the next month.
I stood on the line with a screwdriver to check the tightness of a single screw on every sunroof in Camrys. It was so heavily coriographed, it was like a dance.
I now have the Street Fighter voice in my head going:
“Honda Wins!”
For the killjoy that will come pointing out that SpaceX is at another level of development etc., yes, I know that.
Japan also has a constitution written by the US that doesn’t permit them to have long-range missiles.
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world
on 20 Jun 05:43
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I feel bad for all the engineers etc who are working really hard on these projects, only to see their efforts tarnished by the flyblown image of the wanker who owns the company.
I’m all for mankind colonizing the stars, but I don’t want that A hole down a K hole Elmo involved in any way. I don’t trust the cunt not to have a back door into the colony, that he opens whenever his fee fee’s get hurt, or if his K hole runs dry.
If you told me that I’d be cheering for space rockets exploding 10 years ago I would have called you crazy. Incredible how much damage that fiend has done to our society.
It’s incredible, isn’t it? I used to be so stoked on space exploration and all the science that goes with it. Still am, really, but my enthusiasm has cooled markedly once billionaires started throwing dick-shaped space missiles around for no other reason than being able to.
Ive only ever heard from third parties that spaceX sucks to work for because they way over work you. Idk if thats actually true. But this kind of thing makes me wonder…
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world
on 20 Jun 05:41
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I’ve heard the same. I’m sure it certainly doesn’t help, but I think also what they’re trying to do is really difficult
Fairly sure they “saved” hundreds of thousands in wages only to lose millions to billions in material. An engineer working 80 hour weeks month after month isn’t nearly going to be as productive as one doing 40hr weeks, no matter how many hours they put out. There’s actually a point where it turns negative and every extra hour put in detracts from output, not to mention long-time wellbeing and development.
I hate the guy’s guts as much as anybody else, but he has kickstarted a space race, and an EV market. Credit where it’s due.
And yeah I know, rich daddy, no inventions, all evolutionary, etc. But here we are.
Tattorack@lemmy.world
on 20 Jun 08:16
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What space race?
NASA us working on a shoestring budget and managed to run some very successful missions. The Artemis Program is/was very succesful, and what does NASA get?
Budget cuts. Money diverted to SpaceX who, under Elon, has yet to do a single succesful mission (the Dragon capsule and reusable rockets were both projects that Elon bought. Starship is the first project that Elon directed).
Are you out of your mind? SpaceX didn’t buy a single thing, they developed and tested existing ideas (the reusability at least). I mean the guy is a total douche and Nazi but why spread these lies about SpaceX? I agree though that America’s future in space shouldn’t rely on SpaceX due to their affinity to a Nazi, and more funding should be given to NASA and other commercial endeavours
This forum seems like Reddit sometimes but on the other end of the political spectrum
The US should not rely on private companies for stuff. It’s just insane to think it has come to America begging a person for global internet and to get into Space.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world
on 20 Jun 08:21
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He didn’t invent EVs, nor batteries, nor rockets, not even vertically landing rockets, but perfected and especially turned them onto massive success. Too bad he went full idiot.
Making something popular via a lot of lying and false marketing is not something I would’ve thought to read as perfected.
Siresly@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 20 Jun 08:21
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You do not hate the guy’s guts as much as anybody else, or as much as is reasonable. You do not in fact have to give it to the Nazi scum. Any success or credit is due to the employees of the companies the inept pathetic narcissistic pro-fascism scumfuck is undeservedly running, often on fire and into the ground. If the resources he’s hoarding would be allocated by a reasonable, competent and humanist entity, we would all be much better off. Musk would be better off the planet. Shame that he missed this flight.
Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 20 Jun 09:34
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Definitely this is the same take as “well the Nazis did a bunch of medical research”
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 20 Jun 10:44
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Many miss that Musk’s companies don’t have any measure of success because of him, but instead have it despite him. A lot of intelligent people work for SpaceX and Tesla. Imagine what they could and would do if they didn’t have a petulant man-baby constantly interfering.
It’s not perfect, but capitalism is the best system we’ve got. It is only through competition on the free market that we would arrive at a space program this efficient and innovative. Imagine if the government tried to do this! They would’ve blown up a 100 rockets by now with nothing to show for it, and it would’ve cost tax payers billions of dollars. The innovation of SpaceX is humanity at it’s finest. For thousands of years we’ve looked up at the sky, and wondered what’s there, and now, thanks to the engineering chops of Elon Musk, it is within our grasp. Imagine that, sending a person to space. Maybe someday we’ll even be able to put someone on the moon!
Kyrgizion@lemmy.world
on 20 Jun 07:33
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Ngl, had me in the first half.
Tattorack@lemmy.world
on 20 Jun 08:12
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Good gods! Captain, The ambient sarcasm readings are off the charts!
The efficiency of this is amazing, instead of actually sending it up, and waiting for it to blow up, they have figured out how to blow it up on the ground BEFORE launch. This is the kind of efficiency we need in government programs.
merdaverse@lemmy.world
on 20 Jun 10:39
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Such a remarkable achievement! We should put capitalists on the Starship ASAP so they can enjoy the fruits of “their” labor!
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
on 20 Jun 12:41
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this but unironically. send all the billionaires to mars!
random_character_a@lemmy.world
on 20 Jun 07:32
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At this point I’d expect some brain leak from SpaceX. For some, no amount of money is enough to continue to work for a company associated to that toxic twat.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone
on 20 Jun 08:45
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Have they published its drug test results yet?
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
on 20 Jun 11:18
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It’s not a big deal when you’re blowing up someone else’s money with no real accountability.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
on 20 Jun 14:45
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I mean… its a big deal if you’re anywhere near the launchpad. Or, in or around South Padre Island.
Also can’t help but notice that Starbase, Texas is practically hugging the US/Mexico border. Almost as though Abbott didn’t want this shit landing in his own backyard when it failed.
It also helps to be as far south as possible. You get to use more momentum to help get orbit, if I understand it correctly.
IIRC, that’s why NASA launches from Florida. That and the coast making launch failures safer.
(But I am not a physicist.)
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
on 20 Jun 14:53
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Proximity to the equator and high elevation make for ideal launch sites. Then eastward facing, because you want to run counter to the earth’s spin as you launch and be out over open water if something fucks up. One reason why Kenya, Brazil, and Indonesia were floated as a high efficiency international spaceports decades ago, when efficiency was considered more important than inflating a billionaire’s ego.
JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml
on 20 Jun 17:50
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I mean, SpaceX is a private company owned by Musk…
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
on 20 Jun 19:15
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This is so much more efficient than the shuttle program. You see when we made the space shuttle it cost the American taxpayer billions and in the end we owned and could operate the shuttle for the common good.
This way spacex spends billions of dollars (that the government gives them) and in the end they own and operate the spaceship for profit and can charge the American taxpayer anything they want to access space.
Musk is Tony stark!
Sorry I couldn’t get stupid enough to make this authentic.
I’ve been wondering why they don’t blow up more regularly. I imagine a few long range sniper shots would make them explode easily. They should be relatively easy to hit, seeing how big they are.
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world
on 21 Jun 00:45
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NASA should partner with Honda.
How much taxpayer money was tossed at the fucking bottle rocket failure?
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world
on 21 Jun 02:18
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Was he on it? If he was this is a complete success.
If he wasn’t.
Better luck next time I guess?
idk, got to check that “is Musk already dead” tracker community
If this is real, please post the link!
lemmy.world/c/iselonmuskdeadyet
looks like last post was 4 days ago, but was fairly active before that
Thank you!
Elon is stupid, but I’m thinking he’s not so stupid as to board one of his own rockets.
He’s a chicken shit ? Why are all these tough guy conservatives such pussies
I mean, I wouldn’t either. I wouldn’t want to risk death. He knows it’s not risk-free.
Neither is doing elephant sized doses of Ketamine
I didn’t say he isn’t stupid. 🫣😅
oh no! anyway…
MAYBE if we Cut the FAA and OTHER Regulatory agencies it’ll not Explode next Time?
Musk is going to be PISSED when he finds out there is no bureau of physics he can subsume or destroy from within. I believe one Rush Stockton came to a similar conclusion, if he indeed had time for that conclusion to even form before perishing.
SpaceGateX
Can’t wait for the documentary
Elon should really pilot the next starship himself. Just put a small 1 person capsule on top (or maybe even 5 people so he can take some of his billionaire friends along) and connect a playstation controller to the engines. Stockton did it, and he made several succesful trips. What you do yourself, you do better!!
Well at least it was a decent looking explosion?
Waiting for the SpaceX bros to tell everyone how this was actually a good thing because it was supposed to happen and means everything is going well.
As long as nobody was harmed they could blow up a hundred rockets for all I care. Maybe it’ll even help with competition, like make other companies switch launch vehicles, so it might be a good thing (just not for them) lol
People live around there, so harm is definitely being done to the air they breathe and the environment they live in.
The people living there now are all employees. Basically Musk’s mining town
it is liquid oxygen and liquid methane deflagrating, the main result is water and CO2. not exactly harmful
but is it significant harm, compared to other things?
i mean, every company harms the environment somewhat. streets pollute the environment through their presence. oil refineries leak huge amounts of methane into the air. factories often produce toxic chemicals as by-products.
“iT wAs A rApId UnScHeDuLeD dIsSaSsEmBlY”
Unplanned rapid disassembly?
At least they didn’t wreck (more of) the environment and nearly down passenger planes with this one.
Progress!
Getting it out of the way so the engineers can enjoy the long weekend.
What long weekend? Their asswipe of a boss doesn’t believe in anything but the 80-hour workweek for employees, and there’s no way he’s not demanding more overtime to rebuild after this fuck-up.
Nah, their rocket blowed up. It’s time to get stinko!
He excels at burning hunks of metal at extremely high temperatures. I thought the Cybertruck was the pinnacle but alas.
Thoughts and prayers… lol
If I worked building rockets for him, I’d make sure they didn’t lift off too.
People really put the faith of the entire American space program on Elon. It would be funny if it wasn’t so stupid.
Boeing and someone else are trying too. Way behind Space X. So no, not “entire space program”…
Fuck all commercial dependency. Fully fund NASA, and let them like what they did back in the 60s, which no company could have done.
Stop relying on corporations to lead our space programs. It's too important to leave to grifters and corner cutters.
NASA has always been dependent on commercial for profit entities as contractors. The Space Shuttle was developed by Rockwell International (which was later acquired by Boeing). The Apollo Program relied heavily on Boeing, Douglas Aircraft (which later merged into McDonnell Douglas, and then merged with Boeing), and North American Aviation (which later became Rockwell and was acquired by Boeing), and IBM. Lots of cutting edge stuff in that era happened from government contracts throwing money at private corporations.
That’s the whole military industrial complex Eisenhower was talking about.
The only difference with today is that space companies have other customers to choose from, not just NASA (or the Air Force/Space Force).
NASA ran the projects. They have specifications to contractors for manufacturing. That's a far cry from farming out the entire process and renting space on a commercial rocket.
NASA funded SpaceX based on hitting milestones on their COTS program. Those were just as available to Boeing and Blue Origin, but they had less success meeting those milestones and making a profit under fixed price contracts (as opposed to the traditional cost plus contracts). It’s still NASA-defined standards, only with an offloading of the risk and uncertainty onto the private contractors, which was great for SpaceX and terrible for Boeing.
But ultimately it’s still just contracting.
Really interesting— I don’t follow this nearly enough, so thanks
If Starship wasn’t constantly exploding you might have a point. Seems as though that the reality is that they’re all pretty much at the same spot but Elon wants to pretend that they aren’t.
Falcon 9 has launched over 500 mission with a very high success rate. Of course the bulk of advancement should be coming from NASA and we need to spend more there, but SpaceX is putting up big numbers in successful payload lifts.
It’s less that people are putting faith in Elon (sure, some fanatics might be), but it’s that everyone else is somehow even worse.
SpaceX is actually getting stuff to space, despite their prototypes blowing up. Hell, even if this Starship thing is a complete failure and never works, their existing rocket, the Falcon, is still far beyond any of the competition.
The SLS: $10 Billion and a decade late to develop a ship that recycles old Space shuttle parts, then costs $2-3 Billion per launch, and maybe can only launch one every 2 years.
ULA Vulcan: currently years late, still finding problems, and even after all that gets worked out, it can maybe do 6 launches a year?
SpaceX: 1-2 launches per week.
That’s not faith, that’s just facts. I would absolutely love to have somebody else step up and take SpaceX’s crown, but… there really isn’t anybody. Bezos’s Blue Origin may have the biggest chance, but they are more likely to act like ULA than SpaceX.
Bezos seems pretty happy with space tourism he doesn’t wanna work for the government. Gotta kinda be sick to want to in the first place.
Let my try and distill that. SpaceX is capable of doing some good work, when Elon leaves them alone.
Remember, Starship is Elon’s napkin drawing idea of making a big cheap steel tube. Bigger and bader than everyone else! For a mission that doesn’t exist, which it’s not even designed properly for. Starship is 100% Elon’s blunder and he’s made so many insane promises for it that it’s dragging SpaceX down.
Starship is SpaceX’s Cybertruck.
Is the bee okay?
Iterations are getting more frequent, which is a good sign, right? Right?
.
It’s kinda fun to be living in a time where rockets regularly blow up again. Apart from, you know, everything else going on and not wanting astronauts to die.
Honestly, rocket development has always been filled with explosions - the Saturn V had like 6 engine-out events during Apollo and the early Falcon 9 tests were just as explosive. what’s different now is we get to see the failures in HD livestreams instead of classified footage that would’ve been buried in the 60s.
Comparing an engine out where the mission went on without issue and a huge fireball on the pad is apples and oranges.
It’s not a starship, at best it’s a low Earth orbit ship.
Well, now it’s recycling, right?
Can you smell burning Spock.
I dunno, what does burnt Spock smell like?
Bacon
Green bacon.
For a couple of minutes.
That’s better efficiency. It gets to the blowing up part faster than before
I think Honda has begun building spaceships/rockets too. Think they chose to build the type that don’t explode. link
We shouldn’t be building rockets PERIOD. They cost too much and are eventually only going to serve trillionaires.
FIX SHIT ON THE GROUND FIRST
That said,
They did a test from 300 meters, sure it’s cool but I think they have a LONG way to go before they are competetive.
If you like SatNav, accurate weather tracking, and advanced intercontinental communication then ya like rockets ya dipshit.
While Id be the first to ban private rocket launches outright, we shouldn’t abandon the advances of the space age because of them.
You’ve got good points, but your needless insults makes your argument fall on deaf ears.
Then wallow in thine ignorance pissant.
Separating the message from the messenger is a key skill. A right answer doesn’t become wrong because it comes from a jerk.
Yep me being an uncouth asshole has little to no bearing on my point. It’s like those uppity cunts who act like theyre better just cause they don’t swear, usually they are morons I mean Mormons and thusly my inbuilt snob filter works wonders.
Agreed, but your point will usually be a lot better received if you aren’t a dick. SpaceX is a great example- it’s a great company, but the head of the company taints the whole thing they are trying to achieve.
It comes down to respect. Even if I’m wrong, treating me with respect will mean I’m more likely to respect you, and if I respect you I’m going to respect your argument.
Hey there I didn’t complain or downvote but also declined to upvote cuz of the two little tiny words of ad hom……
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DINGUS! Dingus would’ve saved it!
Perfect, feels very Lemmy-appropriate—gets the insult with a perfect lulz factor so even the parent commenter could’ve kinda laughed (I hope ppl can take jokes!)
…sorry I know I’m not your mom, hope this doesn’t come across maximally prescriptive (just my 2c!)
I ain’t using dingus firstly cause I’m pretty sure dankpods has a copyright on it and secondarily it has none of the gutteral bite that damned near every other insult in my dialect has. Also I go out of my way to commit some level of ad hom since I find that it’s a fine way to figure out if folks have thick enough skin to take seriously, worst case scenario they throw a punch and that’s just a good time for me.
You’re absolutely right, you absolute fuckwad, and well said, even if you are a shit eating waste of a human.
(Sorry I don’t mean it, I feel bad now…)
In this case you happen to be right on both counts.
We can do both? What’s a rocket scientist going to do about systemic oppression and the rise of fascism that excludes them from working on rockets still?
the thing is, when you build rockets, and they actually work, and put people on mars, you can reasonably demand that people who demand exponential growth actually go to mars, because earth is already full. this way, you can get rid of the billionaires.
Japanese cars are superior to American cars, why wouldn’t their rockets be?
Definitely agreed on cars, but Japan’s last few moon missions had several catastrophic failures unfortunately.
I’ll have to read up on that. I didn’t know they had tried anything because of the whole can’t make missiles thing.
I had a high school friend who went on to become an engineer at General Motors. One of his first projects for them was tearing down an Infiniti and a Lexus when those cars first came on the market. He said that at the time, GM cars typically had between 300 and 400 production defects of varying severity. When they took apart the Infiniti, they found 2 production defects; when they took apart the Lexus, they found 0.
I worked on the Lexus line in Georgetown, KY one summer between semesters. Their standards are insane. Worked the Toyota Camry line the summer before that.
On the Camry line, if they found a defect, they would correct it, then have a QC stand there and inspect every affected car for the next month.
I stood on the line with a screwdriver to check the tightness of a single screw on every sunroof in Camrys. It was so heavily coriographed, it was like a dance.
The front fell off.
it was towed out of the environment.
I now have the Street Fighter voice in my head going:
“Honda Wins!”
For the killjoy that will come pointing out that SpaceX is at another level of development etc., yes, I know that. Japan also has a constitution written by the US that doesn’t permit them to have long-range missiles.
Hardly. Honda have just replicated what Falcon 9 has been doing every week for years.
Here comes the killjoy!
Break out the marshmallows
Rocket fuel is toxic. Don’t cook with it. Don’t touch or breathe it. Don’t even look at it.
Once it’s burned it’s mostly safe, aside from the usual problems with combustion products.
Is LOX and methane really that bad?
I was thinking hydrazine. I don’t know what this rocket was using.
provscons.com/heres-why-spacex-uses-methane-in-st…
Musk’s starships are blowing up like his reputation 😂
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Damn, looks like I didn’t get my wish: sh.itjust.works/comment/19193050
My feed rn:
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I would ride a Honda rocket a hundred times before ever setting foot on anything developed by SpaceX
I imagine riding a rocket like final boss fight in Just Cause 2.
I imagine it more like Dr. Strangelove
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Kids science projects make reusable rockets that go higher.
300 meters.
It’s a test flight. Going higher was likely not the goal.
good.
sad that he wasn’t on it though.
I feel bad for all the engineers etc who are working really hard on these projects, only to see their efforts tarnished by the flyblown image of the wanker who owns the company.
I’m all for mankind colonizing the stars, but I don’t want that A hole down a K hole Elmo involved in any way. I don’t trust the cunt not to have a back door into the colony, that he opens whenever his fee fee’s get hurt, or if his K hole runs dry.
Oh please. Elon will long be dead before we are ever seriously colonizing mars.
That’s his only redeeming feature…that he’ll be dead one day.
How many times does this gotta happen before we start calling them missiles instead of rockets?
If you told me that I’d be cheering for space rockets exploding 10 years ago I would have called you crazy. Incredible how much damage that fiend has done to our society.
It’s incredible, isn’t it? I used to be so stoked on space exploration and all the science that goes with it. Still am, really, but my enthusiasm has cooled markedly once billionaires started throwing dick-shaped space missiles around for no other reason than being able to.
Ive only ever heard from third parties that spaceX sucks to work for because they way over work you. Idk if thats actually true. But this kind of thing makes me wonder…
I’ve heard the same. I’m sure it certainly doesn’t help, but I think also what they’re trying to do is really difficult
Fairly sure they “saved” hundreds of thousands in wages only to lose millions to billions in material. An engineer working 80 hour weeks month after month isn’t nearly going to be as productive as one doing 40hr weeks, no matter how many hours they put out. There’s actually a point where it turns negative and every extra hour put in detracts from output, not to mention long-time wellbeing and development.
That’s the genious behind musk, overwork people 10%, gain 10%!!!
They never even made it to the launch.
Whoa. a subpar Elon project? SAY IT ISN’T SO!
I hate the guy’s guts as much as anybody else, but he has kickstarted a space race, and an EV market. Credit where it’s due.
And yeah I know, rich daddy, no inventions, all evolutionary, etc. But here we are.
What space race?
NASA us working on a shoestring budget and managed to run some very successful missions. The Artemis Program is/was very succesful, and what does NASA get?
Budget cuts. Money diverted to SpaceX who, under Elon, has yet to do a single succesful mission (the Dragon capsule and reusable rockets were both projects that Elon bought. Starship is the first project that Elon directed).
Are you out of your mind? SpaceX didn’t buy a single thing, they developed and tested existing ideas (the reusability at least). I mean the guy is a total douche and Nazi but why spread these lies about SpaceX? I agree though that America’s future in space shouldn’t rely on SpaceX due to their affinity to a Nazi, and more funding should be given to NASA and other commercial endeavours
This forum seems like Reddit sometimes but on the other end of the political spectrum
The US should not rely on private companies for stuff. It’s just insane to think it has come to America begging a person for global internet and to get into Space.
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He didn’t invent EVs, nor batteries, nor rockets, not even vertically landing rockets, but perfected and especially turned them onto massive success. Too bad he went full idiot.
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Making something popular via a lot of lying and false marketing is not something I would’ve thought to read as perfected.
You do not hate the guy’s guts as much as anybody else, or as much as is reasonable. You do not in fact have to give it to the Nazi scum. Any success or credit is due to the employees of the companies the inept pathetic narcissistic pro-fascism scumfuck is undeservedly running, often on fire and into the ground. If the resources he’s hoarding would be allocated by a reasonable, competent and humanist entity, we would all be much better off. Musk would be better off the planet. Shame that he missed this flight.
Definitely this is the same take as “well the Nazis did a bunch of medical research”
Many miss that Musk’s companies don’t have any measure of success because of him, but instead have it despite him. A lot of intelligent people work for SpaceX and Tesla. Imagine what they could and would do if they didn’t have a petulant man-baby constantly interfering.
Give credit to his employees he’s done nothing.
hah no
He’s just there to steal credit. Just like everything he’s been a part of.
It’s certainly not Honda-level reliability.
It’s not perfect, but capitalism is the best system we’ve got. It is only through competition on the free market that we would arrive at a space program this efficient and innovative. Imagine if the government tried to do this! They would’ve blown up a 100 rockets by now with nothing to show for it, and it would’ve cost tax payers billions of dollars. The innovation of SpaceX is humanity at it’s finest. For thousands of years we’ve looked up at the sky, and wondered what’s there, and now, thanks to the engineering chops of Elon Musk, it is within our grasp. Imagine that, sending a person to space. Maybe someday we’ll even be able to put someone on the moon!
Ngl, had me in the first half.
Good gods! Captain, The ambient sarcasm readings are off the charts!
It’s life Jim, but not as we know it.
Not as we know it.
Not as we know it.
Star Trekkin’ Across The Universe…
The efficiency of this is amazing, instead of actually sending it up, and waiting for it to blow up, they have figured out how to blow it up on the ground BEFORE launch. This is the kind of efficiency we need in government programs.
Such a remarkable achievement! We should put capitalists on the Starship ASAP so they can enjoy the fruits of “their” labor!
this but unironically. send all the billionaires to mars!
I mean, is it necessary to have a destination? Just get them going and let them sort it out from there.
NGL got me in the first part :-)
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At this point I’d expect some brain leak from SpaceX. For some, no amount of money is enough to continue to work for a company associated to that toxic twat.
They don’t pay that well.
Good, eat a dick, Elon.
The thumbnail had me reminiscing of the poster for The Descent
hehe
Have they published its drug test results yet?
It’s not a big deal when you’re blowing up someone else’s money with no real accountability.
I mean… its a big deal if you’re anywhere near the launchpad. Or, in or around South Padre Island.
Also can’t help but notice that Starbase, Texas is practically hugging the US/Mexico border. Almost as though Abbott didn’t want this shit landing in his own backyard when it failed.
It also helps to be as far south as possible. You get to use more momentum to help get orbit, if I understand it correctly.
IIRC, that’s why NASA launches from Florida. That and the coast making launch failures safer.
(But I am not a physicist.)
Proximity to the equator and high elevation make for ideal launch sites. Then eastward facing, because you want to run counter to the earth’s spin as you launch and be out over open water if something fucks up. One reason why Kenya, Brazil, and Indonesia were floated as a high efficiency international spaceports decades ago, when efficiency was considered more important than inflating a billionaire’s ego.
I mean, SpaceX is a private company owned by Musk…
And?
…That takes money from the tax payers in the forms of grants and contracts (that it has not fulfilled).
Whoop whoop! I hope it caused a lot of damage.
a lot of tax payer money just give byebye, mostly, part of it went straight into Musk’s pocket
Yup. And hopefully they will see it is pointless and cut funding to spacex, instead of keep on throwing away money.
“Look at what I can do” -Elon musk while throwing a Nazi salute
i thought Nazis were at least competent at making rockets.
German Nazis. Not South African immigrant nazis.
so European nazis are better than African immigrant nazis?
did we just create a new layer of racism?
I think we did. But when it comes to Elon musk, he deserves a special kind of racism.
I’m racist against billionaires.
you might say being a billionaire isn’t a race, but given that race science is 100% bs, I say why not?
Only Nazis from the Nazi region of Germany, any other kind of Nazi is just a sparkling asshole
i sometimes suffer from sparkling asshole, usually due to eating too much beans
The next explosion will occur on the assembly line. Now I call that progress!
Surely they will blame on immigrants too…
We can’t even handle being a multi-country species, maybe Elon should dial back the sci-fi “multi-planet” miniseries playing in his head…
It’s getting more efficient by the day. They used to have to launch it into the air before it had blow up. This way it saves time
I miss Reddit so some musky can tell me about how blowing up your spaceships is part of the engineering process and how this is good.
they were funny
Hold on let me remove most of my brain.
This is so much more efficient than the shuttle program. You see when we made the space shuttle it cost the American taxpayer billions and in the end we owned and could operate the shuttle for the common good.
This way spacex spends billions of dollars (that the government gives them) and in the end they own and operate the spaceship for profit and can charge the American taxpayer anything they want to access space.
Musk is Tony stark!
Sorry I couldn’t get stupid enough to make this authentic.
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i hate even tax payers pay to develop something, but a private company gets all the intellectual property and profits.
same thing happend when the COVID vaccine.
that’s how we know Musk isn’t a Nazi, Nazis could make rockets.
/s
(he is a nazi, just an incompetent one)
is this normal i don’t know anything about housing cocks
I’ve been wondering why they don’t blow up more regularly. I imagine a few long range sniper shots would make them explode easily. They should be relatively easy to hit, seeing how big they are.
NASA should partner with Honda.
How much taxpayer money was tossed at the fucking bottle rocket failure?
Putting the Bang back in Big Bang!