I experienced this crazy onslaught of advertising to the point of reducing how much I watched YouTube. I was pretty upset and not at all inclined to pay, especially since YouTube was even putting ads on my own videos without me seeing a single cent, because my channel is too small.
Then my partner bought me a few months of a Premium Subscription as a Christmas gift.
It was pointed out to me that I watched more YouTube than any other streaming service which I was paying for.
Combined with background music on mobile, it’s changed my life.
I’m still unimpressed with the business model, but the alternative is so far worse.
Find me a self publishing video platform with the reach of YouTube that doesn’t require self hosting and I’ll happily move my content there.
It was pointed out to me that I watched more YouTube than any other streaming service which I was paying for.
Yeah, I think that YouTube provides a lot of value.
My problem is that I don’t really want Google – a company who makes a lot of their money via profiling and data-mining – logging and data-mining everything I watch.
YouTube Premium lets someone avoid ads. But as best I can tell, it’s not buying any kind of no-log service – in fact, it’s just linking your activity to your financial information, which makes logging and profiling easier. That’s not the service that I want to buy from Google.
What I’d be willing to get from Google is a “no log” service.
I pay for Kagi, for search engine service. I pay for commercial email service. I’m fine with giving money to online service providers and entrusting them with (some) of my data…but I want part of that service to be that they aren’t logging what I do and data-mining my data.
I don’t like the model of “we don’t charge up front but we make our money by extracting all the information about you that we can”. I’m fine with that existing, because some people are more comfortable with that. But it isn’t what I want for myself.
I think that every single provider tracks your activity and the vast majority of them use it to optimise their service income from you, either by giving you better engagement, ie. making you use the service more - endless searching for content for example, or by selling the captured tracking data to the highest bidder.
Not Kagi if you believe their privacy policy. I believe them and have been loving Kagi for like a year now I think. I made the switch long ago and it’s so good I forgot about Google search.
Find me a self publishing video platform with the reach of YouTube that doesn’t require self hosting and I’ll happily move my content there.
Nebula is the next best thing to YouTube, but not enough content creators have moved their stuff there, so it’s easy to run out of interesting videos to watch after a while. Some of the bigger folks I follow share their content on both platforms, and the incentive to watch on Nebula instead of YouTube is that content creators have more freedom with their videos on Nebula. They can post bonus/extra footage that would be automatically flagged and blocked by YouTube normally. Don’t need to dance around the censors on Nebula.
Nebula is subscription-based, so they don’t show ads anywhere on their site. But if you don’t want to pay for another subscription service, you can also do a one-time payment to have lifetime access to their site. It’s $300, which is the cost of just over 4 years of their subscription service ($6/mo). Considering I’ve had an account for over 3 years now, it’s almost paid for itself.
Paradachshund@lemmy.today
on 12 Sep 16:23
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No offense to nebula (I’m rooting for them) but unless you exclusively watch news and educational content it basically has nothing to offer. I tried it for a year and I ended up barely using it because I don’t watch that type of content.
Yeah, like I said, it needs more content creators to dump their libraries there. It could be a fantastic competitor to YouTube if only more people knew about it and used it.
SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip
on 12 Sep 19:15
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Don’t forget the benefit of being able to spite Google!
The lifetime access option shouldn’t exist for an app like that, not unless they have another primary form of income (usually ads). That type of service costs a lot of money to host and if you have a user base that does a one off purchase you stop having a good chunk of that income relatively fast
That’s just the main red flag I see from that, I would be super hesient starting on a platform that isn’t self sustaining and doesn’t have a parent company willing to chuck money at it “till it works” like Google did
I think it’s great for a ground-floor investment in a YouTube competitor. It draws more people to the platform, gets a chunk of money flowing up front to help boost the service, and they can always sunset the lifetime option if the site gets popular and revenue starts to get tight. As long as they continue to honor it for everyone who paid initially.
Like I said in my original comment, a Nebula subscription is only $6/mo. A lifetime access payment is over 4 years of subscriptions up front. That’s a nice chunk of change to help get them established.
I saw someone’s video about how Nebula works (I think Legal Eagle? He was advertising it hardcore on YouTube for a while) and the subscription service is how they pay content creators. He said it’s a more stable income than YouTube, where your videos earn advertising money based on trends and visibility. If you’re not YouTube famous (and the algorithm doesn’t make you visible), you’re not going to make any money on the platform. But Nebula gives you a more solid income, plus the freedom to make the content you want. No AI moderators flagging videos because it thought it detected the word “suicide” or something. No forcing you to include key words or pushing regular videos on a tight schedule to ensure the algorithm keeps recommending your channel.
I agree that it’s a great investment, and it will definitely get people on board for if the platform really takes off. I think they’re definitely assuming that the majority of their people who pay the $400 aren’t going to remain on the platform which is probably a safe bet, once they get somewhat established and have content that’s more for the everyday person, I would probably recommend converting the lifetime license over to an extended long-term subscription.
So like a subscription that lasts five six years at like the price of 3 years of the monthly subscription price, I know if YouTube offered something like that I 1,000% would buy it in a heartbeat because I know that YouTube will still be around in that time frame and it’s a no-brainer cuz I use it daily,
That being said if they did end up having a significant amount of people that are still using the lifetime subscription, they may revert to adding features to the monthly subscriptions like how Discord does that entice you to switch to a new plan with a retroactive sub and then you just can’t switch back again.
The thing is… All the premium features USED TO BE FREE AND AVAILABLE UNTIL THEY LOCKED THEM BEHIND A PAY WALL.
I used to be able to have YouTube playing in the background, reduced ads, etc. All of the features.
Now, I still do because I use Firefox + ublock on mobile. Yeah, I can play this shit with my screen off (Firefox + unlock + desktop mode + turn screen off).
Not only is this true and annoying, but other things about the ads are getting worse, too.
I recently had to factory reset my TV and, after the first time I opened the YouTube app, immediately had to find the “don’t play video preview” option. It worked, except for the huge banner ad at the top of the list of videos, which still saw fit to play with deafening sound when I didn’t immediately change the video selection. I can’t find a setting to disable this.
Also, I’ve noticed the “fewer ads for this long video” message popping up during videos longer than thirty minutes (and now it seems like longer than twenty minutes). Not only is that message condescending like they’re doing me a favor, but I’m pretty sure it’s not true, at least not by much; and the ads are definitely longer and mostly unskippable.
Like someone else says in this thread, it feels like extortion.
Try this, if your TV can run it:
https://smarttubeapp.github.io/
No ads, and there is even sponsor block included, so you don’t have to hear the annoying „segue to our sponsor“ and „please like and subscribe“ nonsense.
themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works
on 12 Sep 14:26
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01189998819991197253@infosec.pub
on 12 Sep 15:02
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I wouldn’t call them ‘better’ alternatives. They’re easier to install for sure. Personally, I’ve used revanced, newpipe, and libretube and love them all. I stuck with newpipe, since that’s what my family uses now, and it’s easier to troubleshoot when I have it too. And revanced takes some steps, more than just “install this package, done”.
They aren’t better IF you enjoy most of YouTubes features. Usability is key, and messing around with Revanced manager twice a year has been worth it easily.
Being OS doesn’t suddenly make worse UX better.
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub
on 12 Sep 16:10
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I appreciate your viewpoint, as it’s a part of what makes the software development community so great. I don’t necessarily agree with it, personally, since they all rely on proprietary backend (YouTube), but I truly do appreciate it.
I just don't want any proprietary software on my devices (for many reasons, most importantly privacy and user freedom). I can use a VPN to privately connect to the YouTube backend, but things get much harder when the proprietary spyware is actually on my device.
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub
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I don’t disagree with this point. Calling them objectively better however, is not covering the whole story imo. They are objectively better if your goal is to deproprietarize (not a real word) as much as possible. But if your goal is to just block ads as seamlessly as possible while still keeping all other features in YouTube, then those FOSS apps drop to subjectively better.
Well yeah, I agree. FOSS apps do lack features like logging in (to a Google account), the recommendation algorithm, etc. On the other hand, ReVanced is not exactly easy to install for new users. Both approaches are valid and get the job done (blocking annoying ads). I appreciate the calm and pleasant conversation.
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I agree completely. It’s actually why I went with NewPipe as a recommendation to family and friends. After a few months using it, I really didn’t miss the original YouTube app, and it has become, when combined with the ease of installation, my go-to recommendation for Android users who want to block ads and be able to play audio in the background with the screen off. All of these solutions have the potential to temporarily break as google (needlessly, imo) fights them. The FOSS solutions fix is to apply the update, where as revanced is to re-revance the YouTube app (not so simple).
And as for your calm and pleasant comment, I try to always be : ) we’re (mostly) all here to have a conversation (at least, I treat everyone as though they are, until they show me otherwise lol). So, thank you : )
Which one of those do I pick if I actually want to be logged in and have Youtube keep track of my watch history, automatically synchronized between devices?
If you want to use YouTube for that, it seems like ReVanced is your only option. But you can also create an account on a Piped instance, and have your playlists synced. LibreTube is the only app that supports this.
Revanced with MicroG. I use YouTube 50/50 on mobile and Shield (SmartTube) and if my watch history, subscriptions etc. didn’t work, I wouldn’t be using it.
And revanced takes some steps, more than just “install this package, done”.
It depends. Personally I patch it and then share the patched apk with friends and family, so for them it’s literally just “install this package, done” without compromising security.
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub
on 13 Sep 17:42
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I thought about doing this, but didn’t want to essentially be their maintainer. I do that enough at work lol
not gonna lie, a little envious that your family knows how to install from apk, that would be my first bottleneck. They would hit the first scare screen and raise the white flag
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 14 Sep 13:46
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just make sure you either install it for them or let them know to only install this app not any app. getting them in the habit of installing any apk from email/text is bad news bears
I know that it exists, I don't think it's a particularly good solution on Android though. There are native apps like the ones I mentioned before.
Btw syncing an SQLite database with syncthing sounds painful. How often do you have to deal with sync conflicts?
littlewonder@lemmy.world
on 12 Sep 23:55
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Now do Android TV! All I want is to be able to allowlist channels for my kids but block everything else. I know an htpc is a better option but I’m lazy.
iOS DID have Yattee, but it’s basically unusable at this point unless I’m doing something terribly wrong on my end. Every time I try to use it, even when signed in, I get errors no matter which back end I use.
TragicNotCute@lemmy.world
on 12 Sep 19:02
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I use the Orion browser with uBlock Origin installed and get 0 ads on YouTube.
chaosCruiser@futurology.today
on 12 Sep 20:55
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Brave can also block YT ads, but I’m not so sure about the extensions. If all you care about is blocking ads, brave is good enough. If you care about sponsorblock and many other FF extensions, Orion is probably way better.
It doesn't work, because it relies on Piped/Invidious. Both are currently broken, because Google is trying everything to block third party clients/APIs/proxies for YouTube.
SmartTube is so good. You get it for no ads; you keep it for all the dope features. It’s like YT way back in the day with more advanced shit for anyone that loves tinkering with all the fiddly bits.
Dwayne_Elizondo_Mountain_Dew_Camacho@sh.itjust.works
on 13 Sep 09:58
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Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.de
on 13 Sep 20:43
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This is my exact setup and couldn’t be happier with it.
zanyllama52@infosec.pub
on 14 Sep 13:03
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I run:
Android: LibreTube
PC: Freetube (w/ Firefox redirect plugin)
AndroidTV: SmartTubeNext
This is literally the only way I will view content on YouTube.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 14 Sep 13:44
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what’s the best way to get smartubenext/apks onto google tv with chromecast these days?
ItsComplicated@sh.itjust.works
on 12 Sep 14:36
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I am not a content creator and do not upload anything. My use would just be as a consumer.
As a consumer, I will not use YT simply because of ads and the way they have made removing ads without a premium subscription so ridiculously difficult and time consuming.
Imo, having ads thrown in your face when you pause it, is reason enough not to use again.
parpol@programming.dev
on 12 Sep 14:42
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I used to watch on ps4, but couldn’t stand the ads anymore so I bought a new PC and repurposed my old PC into a Linux TV box. Now I watch freetube on my TV with no ads and no tracking.
At first I connected the PS4 dualshock controller to the PC via bluetooth and configured it to move the cursor similarly to how the ps4 works, but the virtual keyboard on Linux Mint kept popping up and going away randomly so I bought a mini Bluetooth keyboard with a small touch pad instead.
I did also try voice commands and it worked great, but I didn’t want to carry a mic around so I never really used it.
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub
on 12 Sep 15:19
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Imagine watching YouTube. Your kid, spouse, grandparent, whatever falls and gets badly hurt. You pause the video (out of habit, instead of shutting off the TV) to tend to them. You toss the remote as you rush off the couch, the remote is lost. Instead of silence so you can hear whether they’re breathing and be able to hear and talk to the emergency services dispatcher, you hear an unskippable ad. They perish, because the dispatcher couldn’t hear you and get the ambulance truck to your door in time.
Imagine watching YouTube. You’re alone in your house. You hear something at the window behind you. You pause the video, since it’s probably nothing, to listen more intently. Instead of silence to allow you hear the burglar, you hear an ad for something you would never buy, as the burglar breaks into your house and attacks you for that sweet, sweet PS5. You perish, because you couldn’t react in time.
Edge cases? Maybe. Possible? Yes. Will YouTube/google be charged with accessory to murder? I highly doubt that.
Pause ads are a very bad, and very dangerous, idea.
notjustlurking@lemm.ee
on 12 Sep 18:06
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Agreed, but the word you want is perish, as parish relates to a land/area.
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub
on 12 Sep 18:14
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Hahahahaha!! Good catch! Fixing now
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 13 Sep 00:15
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When I see you perish all I can think of is:
You are watching TV and hear a noise in a nearby room
PAUSE TV_
you pause the TV but to your dismay the TV plays an ad by a political candidate!! The sounds of the shadowy figure are drowned out
SHUT TV OFF_
whoops! Unfortunately for you this is a smart TV! And you need your phone to shut it off, it’s in the same room that the noise is coming from
RUN AWAY
You hear glass break.
…
Unable to pinpoint the location of your adversary, you are caught by surprise and bludgeoned by a steel bar and lay in a pool of your own blood. As your vitality seeps away through the hole in your fractured skull, you wonder the many outcomes that will never come to pass had you had YouTube Premium
You perish
START OVER? Y/N
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub
on 13 Sep 00:34
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You made it into a choose your own adventure template hahahahaha
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 13 Sep 15:15
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That’s what years of Zork and other DOS text based adventures do to you… Oh and Shadowgate with its unfair trial and error bullshit
That’s been a thing for years now like back before I got premium which was at least 4 years ago the skip button would skip the first ad and then bring you into a timed ad afterward that you couldn’t skip, was obnoxious as hell
it’s improved for me, as someone who easily watches 20ish hours of video a week It’s worth it for me to not have to deal with all the hassle of ad block on it. I run a pihole for everything else but the cat and mouse game got old. I currently get my money’s worth, but if it raises much further I’ll cancel.
Phone: rings
Me: “better pause Youtube so that I can answer without noise in the background”
Youtube: plays ad with even louder audio
Me:
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chaosCruiser@futurology.today
on 12 Sep 20:58
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Better switch to some horror film murder compilation video before answering the phone. At least I know it’s going to be all screams and blood splattering on the walls while I’m talking on the phone.
IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world
on 12 Sep 16:30
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Got a new TV a month ago. Fucked up and connected it to wireless, no idea what I was thinking. The only way to kill the connection (from the TV side) was a factory reset.
Windows is like that now. Once you enter an internet connection, you’re screwed. No way out but a full reinstall.
ichbinjasokreativ@lemmy.world
on 13 Sep 14:56
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I disagree. Native packages are still a bit more hassle-free, but snaps have gotten really good by now. And you can do some things that debs can’t, like setting up an entire nextcloud installation with a four-words-long terminal command.
Set up a mini PC like a used Lenovo ThinkCentre, install Linux, and add a keyboard with trackpad. Run Jellyfin and Piped on your homelab, then ‘obtain’ media for your Jellyfin-Instance. Enjoy TV without distractions or tracking!
Trackpad: Because i decided to not go with anything like kodi, i need a mouse and as i can not use a mouse when sitting on the couch i got a keyboard with integrated trackpad.
Jellyfin: There are a hole lot of guides on jellyfin. Just put it in to youtube and you will find plenty of stuff. The only thing is ‘obtaining’ the media to fill your library. There are a lot of ways and it depends on what language you need your content to be in to make any decision.
Homelab: Well if you want to run anything like piped or jellyfin you need a homelab. This could also be just a RaspberryPi. To get Piped with subscription feed running you can use my guide: gist.github.com/…/405235949c655cd8246188ba25c4227…
Are you me? Except I use FreeTube instead of Piped. I am so happy with this solution. Years of discontent of watching services going through the enshittification cycle… everything just becoming so underwhelming. This has given me back freedom over my own media consumption. No ads. No endless scrolling through bullshit content. Just a nicely personally curated selection of movies and TV shows (on Jellyfin) and an ad-free YouTube-experience with sponsorblock and dearrow enabled, and blocking of live chats and shorts.
Well its just old sony tv and i am looking for a replacement with better quality and it is pretty hard to find anything. I will probably just go with a smart tv and never connect it to the internet. You can hack samsung TVs to jump straight into a hdmi input so i will probably do that even tho i am not happy with it.
I’ve been a subscriber for years. Even though it’s expensive there’s no question that my high level of usage justifies it. I get more per dollar than from Prime Video or Netflix, and that’s for sure.
I’m glad YT still has a zero ad tier. Prime now shoves ads inline during shows even though I’m a paying subscriber. Hulu always has. Netflix will at some point.
Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.de
on 13 Sep 20:49
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Paying to have your data stolen and sold sounds like a shit deal. Just use one of the many 3rd party apps for YouTube and Stremio for streaming. Fuck all those greedy shits. I support a select few content creators either via Patreon or their own website (Viva+), the rest can go fuck off. The internet was better when people made videos for shits and giggles. The best memes came from that era.
🤷♂️I was here for that too and it was wonderful - I still have a folder packed with wonderful things from that era. But I see that as a totally different thing. I know YT has a ton of trash on like Mr Beast etc. But it also has Veritassium! I use YT to learn so many practical things. I’ve learned gardening, woodworking, plumbing, all kinds of repair and on and on from YT. I also support some creators directly when I feel the urge. And I subscribe to Nebula. I have a full Plex and *arr setup with a massive library collected over years. I still use the shit out of YT! 🤷♂️ And I’m on my phone almost all the time so whatever desktop computer programs people run in Docker containers or browser extension spaghetti setups they have to get around this or that… that’s great for them. I’d rather pay $12 than fuck with all that and be tied to my gaming tower. 🤷♂️ I don’t consider it having my data stolen if a provider takes notes about how I use their product 🤷♂️
Sadly it’s not, and navigating around it takes a little bit of getting used to (trying to close a video for example is a somewhat counter intuitive). But I’ll take it over adds in youtube.
That being said, I used it sparsely, as I don’t have much I want to watch there except play the odd song or maybe one or two other videos a week.
I rooted my tv and now have adless youtube, but apparently root is not a prerequisite - there also installation using dev mode. Admitedly, haven’t tried it and it’s probably less convenient to get it set up, but then it should be a one time thing.
I’ve got an LG C1 and have been using homebrew with Dev mode for a while now.
Can confirm it is very easy to do if you have a basic tech knowledge base.
The only inconvenience is sometimes after updates it will delete the homebrew apps but its a 5 minute job to get them back and ive only had it happen probably 3 times over a year.
“Youtube no ads” - the homebrew app, works flawlessly as if it were the original app with all of your subs etc but every now and then a tiny banner comes up begging me to subscribe to premium which I actually love because I can keep telling them to fuck off. The frequency of the little banner is probably once every few times you open the app and its non-intrusive.
Overall the LG dev mode trick with the Youtube No Ads app has been the cleanest and most enjoyable out of the box experience compared to alternative frontends etc.
I have an LG with WebOS and have youtube premium and haven't seen any ads so far (though it may be regional). Cheers for the link, tough. I wonder if it works on Japanese versions
I’m happy he pays, keeps Google happy enough to not care too much about people who won’t.
dessimbelackis@lemmy.world
on 13 Sep 20:29
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Their user name is making me wonder if they’re a very subtle and clever novelty account
iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee
on 13 Sep 00:53
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I like to open multiple tabs on what I’m going to watch next, and Freetube is a bit clunky with the window management (I wish they had tabs!). So far uBlock has been doing an impeccable job…but these days I can see it struggling a bit more. I can see youtube REALLY tries to give me an ad first, sometimes when you open the video, you can see the first frame of an ad instead of the thumbnail while it starts buffering, then it skips to the video. The ad is not shown, but the first frame of an ad sometimes escapes into the video while it buffers at the beginning, for a second.
They’ve even started having “next” instead of “skip” so it just goes to another ad. But the worst is when it gives you an unstoppable 90 second ad roll, comes back to the video for all of 2 seconds and starts yet another 90 second ad roll.
If I want to watch YouTube on the bigger screen now, I just open it in Firefox on my VR headset.
gwen@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 13 Sep 08:33
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i used to do this trick to skip ads on the tv app, where i’d go to the report section and click ‘return to video’ but i abused it too much so they took away the report button entirely for me :[
I’ve had it return from ads, make the video playback stutter. I refresh/reload or whatever, jump back in, get more ads, video playback stutter. It’s annoying as fuck
I have that issue when watching on Firefox (no matter the device). Always have to reload the video to get the frame rate back in sync otherwise it looks like it’s playing at sub 24fps making even a live action video look like the Spider-Verse movie animation.
Oh, this is on android yt app.
Pixel 8pro, so Google & Google.
There isn’t any variable that they don’t have control of.
Video playback after ads skips 500ms, plays 500ms, skips 500ms etc. Changing quality doesn’t fixing it. Play/pause doesn’t fix it, skipping doesn’t fix it. I have to fully quit YT app and restart it to get playback again, and chances are it starts the ads again.
Never had an issue on FF, w10 or Linux.
I get that streaming video is expensive for bandwidth. And creators need an incentive to create.
I don’t expect it for free. I don’t YT enough to warrant a premium subscription.
The ads literally break the platform for me.
Makes sense to me to get into one of the alternative clients… But I don’t want to not pay my dues… It’s just not worth the £13 a month: there is no way I’m consuming that much content.
machineLearner@lemmy.world
on 12 Sep 23:25
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if you have an apple tv and an iphone, use youtube in the browser with adguard and airplay. No ads, no bs
BillMurray@lemmy.world
on 12 Sep 23:42
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uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 13 Sep 00:26
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This presents a good demonstration of what we can expect Alphabet / Google / Youtube to do if ever it should win its war on adblockers, or convince people to watch YouTube without vetting. Any time it promises to compromise and make a tolerable user experience, it will ratchet up advertisement plugs until it becomes intolerable.
This is why we can’t relent, ever.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
on 13 Sep 15:11
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This is why we can’t relent
What are “we” doing? Not uninstalling our ad blockers? Its not as though people are boycotting the site. Just use Piped, ffs. No ads whatsoever. It’s a late-00s YouTube experience.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 13 Sep 20:11
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We the public have to keep making better ad blockers that better detect ads and prevent them from being displayed (or in some cases, activating their malware payload).
YouTube is trying to either detect ad blockers and deny service, or change the insertion paradigm so that ads cannot be blocked. We cannot let them succeed doing either.
I just pay for YouTube premium family. We all get add free YouTube. Plus music which we all use. It’s a great value and no hastle. More money goes to creators this way as well.
ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world
on 13 Sep 03:18
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Sadly, YouTube TV doesn’t include YT Premium.
Which is the weirdest shit imaginable to me.
In any case, adverts on the pause screen should be banned.
The entire advertising industry is long overdue for a massive clapback and course correction, because it has infested every inch of waking life.
I get it but how else do you expect them to be able to host all these videos and make them globally available? For free? Ad free? Private donations? It’s an incredibly useful service that for some reason people can’t stand to pay for.
I think the big reasons for most people boil down to one or both of two things:
A) People having 0 trust in Google. I.E. people do not believe that paying for their services will exempt them from being exploited, so what’s the point?
B) YouTube’s treatment of its content creators. Which are what people actually come to YouTube for. Advertisers and copyright holders (and copyright trolls) get first-class treatment, while the majority of content creators get little to no support for anything.
ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world
on 13 Sep 12:23
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Then cut 4k content entirely. Downgrade to 720p.
Do what must be done. Run the company like it was intended to be financially feasible without some future advertising innovation saving it.
But once the product itself begins to actively repulse me, then I stop checking the website as much. Literally everyone I know right now in my immediate family and friend circle is looking or testing a Google alternative because of these reasons.
When you enshittify the experience too much, no one wants it. I have YT premium, but parents who have YT TV due to poor coverage in their area, they don’t get YT premium. I don’t understand that.
There is a give and take with advertising, you are right. But this is just beyond what I will tolerate. Pause screen ads and ads on my TV home screen are my line. That is my hardware, and that is a service I pay for. Absolutely not.
does anyone here use librewolf? for the past month or so YouTube has been completely fucked there. constantly freezing, sometimes pic only, sometimes fully as if my internet is slow, which it isn’t.
I’m suspecting they’re purposely fucking it for non chromium browsers but haven’t seen much complaining about it. i go back to Vivaldi for YouTube for now which works perfectly but soon enough the ublock will stop working.
does it happen to anyone? is it non chromiums? is it librewolf? is it just mine?
KellysNokia@lemmy.world
on 13 Sep 03:40
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People keep saying this but test, it catches few things uBlock doesn't and it allows you to control access level for these items as needed.
stellargmite@lemmy.world
on 13 Sep 04:46
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Yep, when ive resorted to yt directly on librewolf it usually freezes/buffers and tab needs refreshing every 5-10mins or so of vid. Sometimes it’s ok. Pretty inconsistent. I use ublock and sponsor block with librewolf . Usually i use invidious or yattee, Which have their own issues also playing whackamole with the giant
Yes. Noticed yesterday. I was even logged in to a friend’s YouTube Premium account. Loaded like I have slow internet.
Infernal_pizza@lemmy.world
on 13 Sep 05:09
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Honestly looking at the article this seems way less intrusive than pre-roll and mid-roll video ads. If this was to replace them I’d be ok with that. But this is Google so of course it’s just going to be as well as, so my adblocker is staying on for as long as it works
I’m just tired of my electronics doing “extra”. I want to pause the video/player, I don’t want that to activate other activities for my device to perform…I just want to pause the fucking video. They’re all guilty of this though, either they show ads or screenshots of what they want you to watch next. I can’t even pause a video anymore to look at something or show something. The amount of times I’ve paused to have a discussion and the distracting shit plays in the background annoyed me to the point I no longer use the “smart tv” to watch anything and only use the tv hooked up to the comp so I can actually control and have a pleasant viewing experience.
Just give the person cash money that's how you properly support somebody for their labour.
How many times will you wear that shiti hoodie?
Pacmanlives@lemmy.world
on 13 Sep 07:02
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Yeah, it’s bad…… I didn’t feel like login into my premium account the other day and it was kinda much…….
I am hoping we get a Democrat to in office this year. With the balls(Well she technically does not have balls; but you get my drift) to break some FUCKING monopolies up. We need to break up Ma Bell again
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
on 13 Sep 15:10
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Harris is married to the brother of an Uber executive. If you were hoping for a trust-buster, you picked the wrong candidate. Those $500k/plate fundraising dinners she hosts are coming entirely out of the Silicon Valley mega-millionaire bracket.
I was casting a video to my shield from my phone and ended up needing to pause for a phone call during an ad roll. Pausing worked fine but the play button on my phone was completely unresponsive after.
Thankfully the shield remote still worked, but clearly play/pause during ads is handled differently than during normal videos and something is broken.
Rob200@lemmy.autism.place
on 14 Sep 05:48
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Any investors question would be, why did this take Google Youtube so long to implement such a feature, of course this is why the ads are being crammed like this on Smart TVs.
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lemba@discuss.tchncs.de
on 14 Sep 06:09
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With my Argentine premium account I don’t see any ads…
PhilMcGraw@lemmy.world
on 14 Sep 12:12
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I experienced this crazy onslaught of advertising to the point of reducing how much I watched YouTube. I was pretty upset and not at all inclined to pay, especially since YouTube was even putting ads on my own videos without me seeing a single cent, because my channel is too small.
Then my partner bought me a few months of a Premium Subscription as a Christmas gift.
It was pointed out to me that I watched more YouTube than any other streaming service which I was paying for.
Combined with background music on mobile, it’s changed my life.
I’m still unimpressed with the business model, but the alternative is so far worse.
Find me a self publishing video platform with the reach of YouTube that doesn’t require self hosting and I’ll happily move my content there.
To me this is way too much like extortion. The more they do this the less I want to give them money.
Also I need to be logged on everywhere, which I don’t want to (have to), mostly for privacy and data harvesting reasons.
It also does not help that when I want to see something and jump around in a video, I get the same ad 30 times. No exaggeration.
It absolutely is.
It’s possibly also how they’ll get broken up by the DoJ.
Yeah, I think that YouTube provides a lot of value.
My problem is that I don’t really want Google – a company who makes a lot of their money via profiling and data-mining – logging and data-mining everything I watch.
YouTube Premium lets someone avoid ads. But as best I can tell, it’s not buying any kind of no-log service – in fact, it’s just linking your activity to your financial information, which makes logging and profiling easier. That’s not the service that I want to buy from Google.
What I’d be willing to get from Google is a “no log” service.
I pay for Kagi, for search engine service. I pay for commercial email service. I’m fine with giving money to online service providers and entrusting them with (some) of my data…but I want part of that service to be that they aren’t logging what I do and data-mining my data.
I don’t like the model of “we don’t charge up front but we make our money by extracting all the information about you that we can”. I’m fine with that existing, because some people are more comfortable with that. But it isn’t what I want for myself.
I think that every single provider tracks your activity and the vast majority of them use it to optimise their service income from you, either by giving you better engagement, ie. making you use the service more - endless searching for content for example, or by selling the captured tracking data to the highest bidder.
Not Kagi if you believe their privacy policy. I believe them and have been loving Kagi for like a year now I think. I made the switch long ago and it’s so good I forgot about Google search.
Nebula is the next best thing to YouTube, but not enough content creators have moved their stuff there, so it’s easy to run out of interesting videos to watch after a while. Some of the bigger folks I follow share their content on both platforms, and the incentive to watch on Nebula instead of YouTube is that content creators have more freedom with their videos on Nebula. They can post bonus/extra footage that would be automatically flagged and blocked by YouTube normally. Don’t need to dance around the censors on Nebula.
Nebula is subscription-based, so they don’t show ads anywhere on their site. But if you don’t want to pay for another subscription service, you can also do a one-time payment to have lifetime access to their site. It’s $300, which is the cost of just over 4 years of their subscription service ($6/mo). Considering I’ve had an account for over 3 years now, it’s almost paid for itself.
No offense to nebula (I’m rooting for them) but unless you exclusively watch news and educational content it basically has nothing to offer. I tried it for a year and I ended up barely using it because I don’t watch that type of content.
Yeah, like I said, it needs more content creators to dump their libraries there. It could be a fantastic competitor to YouTube if only more people knew about it and used it.
Don’t forget the benefit of being able to spite Google!
The lifetime access option shouldn’t exist for an app like that, not unless they have another primary form of income (usually ads). That type of service costs a lot of money to host and if you have a user base that does a one off purchase you stop having a good chunk of that income relatively fast
That’s just the main red flag I see from that, I would be super hesient starting on a platform that isn’t self sustaining and doesn’t have a parent company willing to chuck money at it “till it works” like Google did
I think it’s great for a ground-floor investment in a YouTube competitor. It draws more people to the platform, gets a chunk of money flowing up front to help boost the service, and they can always sunset the lifetime option if the site gets popular and revenue starts to get tight. As long as they continue to honor it for everyone who paid initially.
Like I said in my original comment, a Nebula subscription is only $6/mo. A lifetime access payment is over 4 years of subscriptions up front. That’s a nice chunk of change to help get them established.
I saw someone’s video about how Nebula works (I think Legal Eagle? He was advertising it hardcore on YouTube for a while) and the subscription service is how they pay content creators. He said it’s a more stable income than YouTube, where your videos earn advertising money based on trends and visibility. If you’re not YouTube famous (and the algorithm doesn’t make you visible), you’re not going to make any money on the platform. But Nebula gives you a more solid income, plus the freedom to make the content you want. No AI moderators flagging videos because it thought it detected the word “suicide” or something. No forcing you to include key words or pushing regular videos on a tight schedule to ensure the algorithm keeps recommending your channel.
I agree that it’s a great investment, and it will definitely get people on board for if the platform really takes off. I think they’re definitely assuming that the majority of their people who pay the $400 aren’t going to remain on the platform which is probably a safe bet, once they get somewhat established and have content that’s more for the everyday person, I would probably recommend converting the lifetime license over to an extended long-term subscription.
So like a subscription that lasts five six years at like the price of 3 years of the monthly subscription price, I know if YouTube offered something like that I 1,000% would buy it in a heartbeat because I know that YouTube will still be around in that time frame and it’s a no-brainer cuz I use it daily,
That being said if they did end up having a significant amount of people that are still using the lifetime subscription, they may revert to adding features to the monthly subscriptions like how Discord does that entice you to switch to a new plan with a retroactive sub and then you just can’t switch back again.
The thing is… All the premium features USED TO BE FREE AND AVAILABLE UNTIL THEY LOCKED THEM BEHIND A PAY WALL.
I used to be able to have YouTube playing in the background, reduced ads, etc. All of the features.
Now, I still do because I use Firefox + ublock on mobile. Yeah, I can play this shit with my screen off (Firefox + unlock + desktop mode + turn screen off).
Fuck 'em.
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Not only is this true and annoying, but other things about the ads are getting worse, too.
I recently had to factory reset my TV and, after the first time I opened the YouTube app, immediately had to find the “don’t play video preview” option. It worked, except for the huge banner ad at the top of the list of videos, which still saw fit to play with deafening sound when I didn’t immediately change the video selection. I can’t find a setting to disable this.
Also, I’ve noticed the “fewer ads for this long video” message popping up during videos longer than thirty minutes (and now it seems like longer than twenty minutes). Not only is that message condescending like they’re doing me a favor, but I’m pretty sure it’s not true, at least not by much; and the ads are definitely longer and mostly unskippable.
Like someone else says in this thread, it feels like extortion.
Try this, if your TV can run it: https://smarttubeapp.github.io/ No ads, and there is even sponsor block included, so you don’t have to hear the annoying „segue to our sponsor“ and „please like and subscribe“ nonsense.
Android: revanced manager
Pc: firefox+ublock+dearrow+sponsorblock
AndroidTv: smartTubeNext
I haven’t seen an ad in years
There are better alternatives for Android like NewPipe, Tubular and LibreTube
For PC, you can use FreeTube
I wouldn’t call them ‘better’ alternatives. They’re easier to install for sure. Personally, I’ve used revanced, newpipe, and libretube and love them all. I stuck with newpipe, since that’s what my family uses now, and it’s easier to troubleshoot when I have it too. And revanced takes some steps, more than just “install this package, done”.
I'd say they are objectively better, because are independent, free & open source apps, instead of relying on patching Google's proprietary software.
They aren’t better IF you enjoy most of YouTubes features. Usability is key, and messing around with Revanced manager twice a year has been worth it easily.
Being OS doesn’t suddenly make worse UX better.
I appreciate your viewpoint, as it’s a part of what makes the software development community so great. I don’t necessarily agree with it, personally, since they all rely on proprietary backend (YouTube), but I truly do appreciate it.
I just don't want any proprietary software on my devices (for many reasons, most importantly privacy and user freedom). I can use a VPN to privately connect to the YouTube backend, but things get much harder when the proprietary spyware is actually on my device.
I don’t disagree with this point. Calling them objectively better however, is not covering the whole story imo. They are objectively better if your goal is to deproprietarize (not a real word) as much as possible. But if your goal is to just block ads as seamlessly as possible while still keeping all other features in YouTube, then those FOSS apps drop to subjectively better.
Well yeah, I agree. FOSS apps do lack features like logging in (to a Google account), the recommendation algorithm, etc. On the other hand, ReVanced is not exactly easy to install for new users. Both approaches are valid and get the job done (blocking annoying ads). I appreciate the calm and pleasant conversation.
I agree completely. It’s actually why I went with NewPipe as a recommendation to family and friends. After a few months using it, I really didn’t miss the original YouTube app, and it has become, when combined with the ease of installation, my go-to recommendation for Android users who want to block ads and be able to play audio in the background with the screen off. All of these solutions have the potential to temporarily break as google (needlessly, imo) fights them. The FOSS solutions fix is to apply the update, where as revanced is to re-revance the YouTube app (not so simple).
And as for your calm and pleasant comment, I try to always be : ) we’re (mostly) all here to have a conversation (at least, I treat everyone as though they are, until they show me otherwise lol). So, thank you : )
Which one of those do I pick if I actually want to be logged in and have Youtube keep track of my watch history, automatically synchronized between devices?
If you want to use YouTube for that, it seems like ReVanced is your only option. But you can also create an account on a Piped instance, and have your playlists synced. LibreTube is the only app that supports this.
Revanced with MicroG. I use YouTube 50/50 on mobile and Shield (SmartTube) and if my watch history, subscriptions etc. didn’t work, I wouldn’t be using it.
It depends. Personally I patch it and then share the patched apk with friends and family, so for them it’s literally just “install this package, done” without compromising security.
I thought about doing this, but didn’t want to essentially be their maintainer. I do that enough at work lol
Tbh I share an apk twice a year on a shared Whatsapp group and that’s all the “maintaining” I do, so I don’t care that much. I’ve had worse
That’s fair. It’s more of when google breaks YouTube for the custom apps, that people start to get all pissy lol
not gonna lie, a little envious that your family knows how to install from apk, that would be my first bottleneck. They would hit the first scare screen and raise the white flag
just make sure you either install it for them or let them know to only install this app not any app. getting them in the habit of installing any apk from email/text is bad news bears
Obligatory post mentioning that Freetube exists on Android as well. With Syncthing, I sync history, playlists and subscriptions. It’s brilliant.
I know that it exists, I don't think it's a particularly good solution on Android though. There are native apps like the ones I mentioned before.
Btw syncing an SQLite database with syncthing sounds painful. How often do you have to deal with sync conflicts?
Now do Android TV! All I want is to be able to allowlist channels for my kids but block everything else. I know an htpc is a better option but I’m lazy.
Pipepipe, its like Tubular but more reliable ime
iOS DID have Yattee, but it’s basically unusable at this point unless I’m doing something terribly wrong on my end. Every time I try to use it, even when signed in, I get errors no matter which back end I use.
I use the Orion browser with uBlock Origin installed and get 0 ads on YouTube.
Brave can also block YT ads, but I’m not so sure about the extensions. If all you care about is blocking ads, brave is good enough. If you care about sponsorblock and many other FF extensions, Orion is probably way better.
It doesn't work, because it relies on Piped/Invidious. Both are currently broken, because Google is trying everything to block third party clients/APIs/proxies for YouTube.
SmartTube is so good. You get it for no ads; you keep it for all the dope features. It’s like YT way back in the day with more advanced shit for anyone that loves tinkering with all the fiddly bits.
Firestick: www.firesticktricks.com
This is my exact setup and couldn’t be happier with it.
I run:
Android: LibreTube
PC: Freetube (w/ Firefox redirect plugin)
AndroidTV: SmartTubeNext
This is literally the only way I will view content on YouTube.
what’s the best way to get smartubenext/apks onto google tv with chromecast these days?
I am not a content creator and do not upload anything. My use would just be as a consumer.
As a consumer, I will not use YT simply because of ads and the way they have made removing ads without a premium subscription so ridiculously difficult and time consuming.
Imo, having ads thrown in your face when you pause it, is reason enough not to use again.
I used to watch on ps4, but couldn’t stand the ads anymore so I bought a new PC and repurposed my old PC into a Linux TV box. Now I watch freetube on my TV with no ads and no tracking.
How do you control it? Any fancy integration or just good old mouse?
At first I connected the PS4 dualshock controller to the PC via bluetooth and configured it to move the cursor similarly to how the ps4 works, but the virtual keyboard on Linux Mint kept popping up and going away randomly so I bought a mini Bluetooth keyboard with a small touch pad instead.
I did also try voice commands and it worked great, but I didn’t want to carry a mic around so I never really used it.
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Imagine watching YouTube. Your kid, spouse, grandparent, whatever falls and gets badly hurt. You pause the video (out of habit, instead of shutting off the TV) to tend to them. You toss the remote as you rush off the couch, the remote is lost. Instead of silence so you can hear whether they’re breathing and be able to hear and talk to the emergency services dispatcher, you hear an unskippable ad. They perish, because the dispatcher couldn’t hear you and get the ambulance truck to your door in time.
Imagine watching YouTube. You’re alone in your house. You hear something at the window behind you. You pause the video, since it’s probably nothing, to listen more intently. Instead of silence to allow you hear the burglar, you hear an ad for something you would never buy, as the burglar breaks into your house and attacks you for that sweet, sweet PS5. You perish, because you couldn’t react in time.
Edge cases? Maybe. Possible? Yes. Will YouTube/google be charged with accessory to murder? I highly doubt that.
Pause ads are a very bad, and very dangerous, idea.
Agreed, but the word you want is perish, as parish relates to a land/area.
Hahahahaha!! Good catch! Fixing now
When I see you perish all I can think of is:
You are watching TV and hear a noise in a nearby room
PAUSE TV_
you pause the TV but to your dismay the TV plays an ad by a political candidate!! The sounds of the shadowy figure are drowned out
SHUT TV OFF_
whoops! Unfortunately for you this is a smart TV! And you need your phone to shut it off, it’s in the same room that the noise is coming from
RUN AWAY
You hear glass break.
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Unable to pinpoint the location of your adversary, you are caught by surprise and bludgeoned by a steel bar and lay in a pool of your own blood. As your vitality seeps away through the hole in your fractured skull, you wonder the many outcomes that will never come to pass had you had YouTube Premium
You perish
START OVER? Y/N
You made it into a choose your own adventure template hahahahaha
That’s what years of Zork and other DOS text based adventures do to you… Oh and Shadowgate with its unfair trial and error bullshit
This is specifically about TV apps.
They have actually started serving ads with a skip button… That only skips to the next ad.
That’s been a thing for years now like back before I got premium which was at least 4 years ago the skip button would skip the first ad and then bring you into a timed ad afterward that you couldn’t skip, was obnoxious as hell
Don’t expect things to improve after happily paying consecutive ransoms.
it’s improved for me, as someone who easily watches 20ish hours of video a week It’s worth it for me to not have to deal with all the hassle of ad block on it. I run a pihole for everything else but the cat and mouse game got old. I currently get my money’s worth, but if it raises much further I’ll cancel.
Not “if” but “when”. They have you and million others on the hook and already plan their next step to extract more money from you.
yea and when that happens I just cancel, then I can worry about all the ad blocking and stuff, but currently it’s worth it for me
I’m going to show this real quick and then we’re going to move on, so pause the video if you want to take a closer look…
Phone: rings
Me: “better pause Youtube so that I can answer without noise in the background”
Youtube: plays ad with even louder audio
Me: <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/3670e6a2-e588-4886-bf44-ed4d0ce8cb7e.png">
Better switch to some horror film murder compilation video before answering the phone. At least I know it’s going to be all screams and blood splattering on the walls while I’m talking on the phone.
I don’t get ads. I pay 🤷♂️.
Yeah, apparently paying for a service you use and enjoy is stupid or something. 🤷♂️
same with amazon. its the latest newness. I really miss rabbit ears.
I have rabbit ears hooked into my Plex server so I can record the few shows left on linear broadcast tv
im complaining a bit about the switch to digital to.
I also noticed that they started showing ads upon opening YouTube on Android TV.
Google sucks so bad.
Thats why i have a dumb tv with a little linux pc attached to it, so i can open piped and jellyfin in my librewolf browser.
Tell me more, pretend I am in idiot…how do I do this?
also get a dumb tv ofc
edit: despite what people will say, ubuntu is still a rock solid distro. Alternatively, tumbleweed is brilliant too.
You don’t need a dumb TV, just switch the input. If your TV shows ads when connected to other inputs, yeet that TV out of your house today.
Disconnect it from your network. Hard to serve ads if it can’t contact the servers it is pulling them from.
Yup, working on setting up VLANs so I can keep the stuff I like (DLNA from the NAS) without the stuff I don’t (ads).
Got a new TV a month ago. Fucked up and connected it to wireless, no idea what I was thinking. The only way to kill the connection (from the TV side) was a factory reset.
Windows is like that now. Once you enter an internet connection, you’re screwed. No way out but a full reinstall.
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I disagree. Native packages are still a bit more hassle-free, but snaps have gotten really good by now. And you can do some things that debs can’t, like setting up an entire nextcloud installation with a four-words-long terminal command.
huh, cool i didn’t know that!! i havent heard much news of snaps except for when they first came out and were kinda shit lmao
real!! just do the thing to disable snaps and it’s perfect for anyone
EDIT: actually turns out snaps have gotten really good lately, ubuntu is still great!!!
You could also use Chromecast with SmartTube. Works like a charm. Let me know if you need help with it.
Its not opensource tho, so you are still getting google tracking.
Sure, it was only meant as a way to circumvent ads on the TV
Set up a mini PC like a used Lenovo ThinkCentre, install Linux, and add a keyboard with trackpad. Run Jellyfin and Piped on your homelab, then ‘obtain’ media for your Jellyfin-Instance. Enjoy TV without distractions or tracking!
Follow ups,
Whats the trackpad for?
Any guide on jellyfin setup?
Also homelab 😂😂
Keyboard+trackpad so you can sit on the couch and have keyboard+mouse controls on the TV.
Trackpad: Because i decided to not go with anything like kodi, i need a mouse and as i can not use a mouse when sitting on the couch i got a keyboard with integrated trackpad.
Jellyfin: There are a hole lot of guides on jellyfin. Just put it in to youtube and you will find plenty of stuff. The only thing is ‘obtaining’ the media to fill your library. There are a lot of ways and it depends on what language you need your content to be in to make any decision.
Homelab: Well if you want to run anything like piped or jellyfin you need a homelab. This could also be just a RaspberryPi. To get Piped with subscription feed running you can use my guide: gist.github.com/…/405235949c655cd8246188ba25c4227…
Are you me? Except I use FreeTube instead of Piped. I am so happy with this solution. Years of discontent of watching services going through the enshittification cycle… everything just becoming so underwhelming. This has given me back freedom over my own media consumption. No ads. No endless scrolling through bullshit content. Just a nicely personally curated selection of movies and TV shows (on Jellyfin) and an ad-free YouTube-experience with sponsorblock and dearrow enabled, and blocking of live chats and shorts.
what model? im looking into getting a dumb tv myself but havent found anything good
Well its just old sony tv and i am looking for a replacement with better quality and it is pretty hard to find anything. I will probably just go with a smart tv and never connect it to the internet. You can hack samsung TVs to jump straight into a hdmi input so i will probably do that even tho i am not happy with it.
I’ve been a subscriber for years. Even though it’s expensive there’s no question that my high level of usage justifies it. I get more per dollar than from Prime Video or Netflix, and that’s for sure.
I’m glad YT still has a zero ad tier. Prime now shoves ads inline during shows even though I’m a paying subscriber. Hulu always has. Netflix will at some point.
Paying to have your data stolen and sold sounds like a shit deal. Just use one of the many 3rd party apps for YouTube and Stremio for streaming. Fuck all those greedy shits. I support a select few content creators either via Patreon or their own website (Viva+), the rest can go fuck off. The internet was better when people made videos for shits and giggles. The best memes came from that era.
🤷♂️I was here for that too and it was wonderful - I still have a folder packed with wonderful things from that era. But I see that as a totally different thing. I know YT has a ton of trash on like Mr Beast etc. But it also has Veritassium! I use YT to learn so many practical things. I’ve learned gardening, woodworking, plumbing, all kinds of repair and on and on from YT. I also support some creators directly when I feel the urge. And I subscribe to Nebula. I have a full Plex and *arr setup with a massive library collected over years. I still use the shit out of YT! 🤷♂️ And I’m on my phone almost all the time so whatever desktop computer programs people run in Docker containers or browser extension spaghetti setups they have to get around this or that… that’s great for them. I’d rather pay $12 than fuck with all that and be tied to my gaming tower. 🤷♂️ I don’t consider it having my data stolen if a provider takes notes about how I use their product 🤷♂️
Tubular fork of newpipe works on AndroidTV, don’t know if newpipe itself does but last time I checked it didn’t. So I use it on both tv and phone.
Is its UI adapted to Android TV? Or does it look like on mobile?
Sadly it’s not, and navigating around it takes a little bit of getting used to (trying to close a video for example is a somewhat counter intuitive). But I’ll take it over adds in youtube. That being said, I used it sparsely, as I don’t have much I want to watch there except play the odd song or maybe one or two other videos a week.
For android TV you should use smarttubenext, same as tubular, but with a tv interface.
smarttube smarttubeapp.github.io for tv
yup that’s what I’m using. Wanted to know about this alternative too :)
My SO wants to upgrade our TV, so when we go to the store, they see big, beautiful displays, and I just see ads.
Firefox + uBlock = Ad free experience
Media PCs for the win!
I bought premium just because it was annoying that my wife viewed ads while doing her makeup in the morning…
You sound like you enjoy watching your wife getting penetrated by more than just ads, if you really did pay YouTube
And Smarttube Next on the TV/firetv/Android TV.
A bit of a PSA for LG owners running webOS:
www.webosbrew.org
I rooted my tv and now have adless youtube, but apparently root is not a prerequisite - there also installation using dev mode. Admitedly, haven’t tried it and it’s probably less convenient to get it set up, but then it should be a one time thing.
I’ve got an LG C1 and have been using homebrew with Dev mode for a while now.
Can confirm it is very easy to do if you have a basic tech knowledge base.
The only inconvenience is sometimes after updates it will delete the homebrew apps but its a 5 minute job to get them back and ive only had it happen probably 3 times over a year.
“Youtube no ads” - the homebrew app, works flawlessly as if it were the original app with all of your subs etc but every now and then a tiny banner comes up begging me to subscribe to premium which I actually love because I can keep telling them to fuck off. The frequency of the little banner is probably once every few times you open the app and its non-intrusive.
Overall the LG dev mode trick with the Youtube No Ads app has been the cleanest and most enjoyable out of the box experience compared to alternative frontends etc.
I have an LG with WebOS and have youtube premium and haven't seen any ads so far (though it may be regional). Cheers for the link, tough. I wonder if it works on Japanese versions
It’s funny because I only hear about ads now from you guys. I never see them myself.
Using freetube on a Linux media player connected to my TV and Newpipe on the phone.
I just pay to make them go away.
Come on man, you’re breaking the echo chamber. We’re here to shit on Google, not give them more money
I’m happy he pays, keeps Google happy enough to not care too much about people who won’t.
Their user name is making me wonder if they’re a very subtle and clever novelty account
I like to open multiple tabs on what I’m going to watch next, and Freetube is a bit clunky with the window management (I wish they had tabs!). So far uBlock has been doing an impeccable job…but these days I can see it struggling a bit more. I can see youtube REALLY tries to give me an ad first, sometimes when you open the video, you can see the first frame of an ad instead of the thumbnail while it starts buffering, then it skips to the video. The ad is not shown, but the first frame of an ad sometimes escapes into the video while it buffers at the beginning, for a second.
How did you get newpipe to work? It’s been broken for me for like the past 3 weeks.
Latest NewPipe 0.27.2 installed from F-Droid is able to play videos for me. But you might also try PipePipe or Tubular, which I mostly use these days.
It was broken for a day but there was an update on f Droid. Just installed that and it’s been fine.
People allow their TV to connect to the interpipes? Tut tut, I thought y’all were better than that!
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They’ve even started having “next” instead of “skip” so it just goes to another ad. But the worst is when it gives you an unstoppable 90 second ad roll, comes back to the video for all of 2 seconds and starts yet another 90 second ad roll.
If I want to watch YouTube on the bigger screen now, I just open it in Firefox on my VR headset.
i used to do this trick to skip ads on the tv app, where i’d go to the report section and click ‘return to video’ but i abused it too much so they took away the report button entirely for me :[
I’ve had it return from ads, make the video playback stutter. I refresh/reload or whatever, jump back in, get more ads, video playback stutter. It’s annoying as fuck
I have that issue when watching on Firefox (no matter the device). Always have to reload the video to get the frame rate back in sync otherwise it looks like it’s playing at sub 24fps making even a live action video look like the Spider-Verse movie animation.
Oh, this is on android yt app.
Pixel 8pro, so Google & Google.
There isn’t any variable that they don’t have control of.
Video playback after ads skips 500ms, plays 500ms, skips 500ms etc. Changing quality doesn’t fixing it. Play/pause doesn’t fix it, skipping doesn’t fix it. I have to fully quit YT app and restart it to get playback again, and chances are it starts the ads again.
Never had an issue on FF, w10 or Linux.
I get that streaming video is expensive for bandwidth. And creators need an incentive to create.
I don’t expect it for free. I don’t YT enough to warrant a premium subscription.
The ads literally break the platform for me.
Makes sense to me to get into one of the alternative clients… But I don’t want to not pay my dues… It’s just not worth the £13 a month: there is no way I’m consuming that much content.
if you have an apple tv and an iphone, use youtube in the browser with adguard and airplay. No ads, no bs
Or get a Chromecast and smarttube…
you could also try this for iPhone: github.com/arichornloverALT/uYouEnhanced it has sponsorblock included too
This presents a good demonstration of what we can expect Alphabet / Google / Youtube to do if ever it should win its war on adblockers, or convince people to watch YouTube without vetting. Any time it promises to compromise and make a tolerable user experience, it will ratchet up advertisement plugs until it becomes intolerable.
This is why we can’t relent, ever.
What are “we” doing? Not uninstalling our ad blockers? Its not as though people are boycotting the site. Just use Piped, ffs. No ads whatsoever. It’s a late-00s YouTube experience.
We the public have to keep making better ad blockers that better detect ads and prevent them from being displayed (or in some cases, activating their malware payload).
YouTube is trying to either detect ad blockers and deny service, or change the insertion paradigm so that ads cannot be blocked. We cannot let them succeed doing either.
Did you catch all-despising baby skull last night?
I would have omitted the last panel.
I just pay for YouTube premium family. We all get add free YouTube. Plus music which we all use. It’s a great value and no hastle. More money goes to creators this way as well.
Sadly, YouTube TV doesn’t include YT Premium.
Which is the weirdest shit imaginable to me.
In any case, adverts on the pause screen should be banned.
The entire advertising industry is long overdue for a massive clapback and course correction, because it has infested every inch of waking life.
I get it but how else do you expect them to be able to host all these videos and make them globally available? For free? Ad free? Private donations? It’s an incredibly useful service that for some reason people can’t stand to pay for.
I think the big reasons for most people boil down to one or both of two things:
A) People having 0 trust in Google. I.E. people do not believe that paying for their services will exempt them from being exploited, so what’s the point?
B) YouTube’s treatment of its content creators. Which are what people actually come to YouTube for. Advertisers and copyright holders (and copyright trolls) get first-class treatment, while the majority of content creators get little to no support for anything.
Then cut 4k content entirely. Downgrade to 720p.
Do what must be done. Run the company like it was intended to be financially feasible without some future advertising innovation saving it.
But once the product itself begins to actively repulse me, then I stop checking the website as much. Literally everyone I know right now in my immediate family and friend circle is looking or testing a Google alternative because of these reasons.
When you enshittify the experience too much, no one wants it. I have YT premium, but parents who have YT TV due to poor coverage in their area, they don’t get YT premium. I don’t understand that.
There is a give and take with advertising, you are right. But this is just beyond what I will tolerate. Pause screen ads and ads on my TV home screen are my line. That is my hardware, and that is a service I pay for. Absolutely not.
This is the right answer. If more people subscribed… Well, it wouldn’t have to be this way.
Thank god then I can pay individual creators, too, while I pay for premium.
Everyone is a netflix now.
does anyone here use librewolf? for the past month or so YouTube has been completely fucked there. constantly freezing, sometimes pic only, sometimes fully as if my internet is slow, which it isn’t.
I’m suspecting they’re purposely fucking it for non chromium browsers but haven’t seen much complaining about it. i go back to Vivaldi for YouTube for now which works perfectly but soon enough the ublock will stop working.
does it happen to anyone? is it non chromiums? is it librewolf? is it just mine?
Firefox working fine for me
Oh, it’s sleep(5) all over again.
I’m using LibreWolf with uBlock Origin, Privacy Badger and NoScript where I selectively allow scripts and I never got an ad served on YT
i don’t get ad served either, that wasn’t my question… but maybe it’s the script thing, i don’t have script blockers.
Privacy Badger seems a bit redundant there
People keep saying this but test, it catches few things uBlock doesn't and it allows you to control access level for these items as needed.
Yep, when ive resorted to yt directly on librewolf it usually freezes/buffers and tab needs refreshing every 5-10mins or so of vid. Sometimes it’s ok. Pretty inconsistent. I use ublock and sponsor block with librewolf . Usually i use invidious or yattee, Which have their own issues also playing whackamole with the giant
based on another comment I’ll check out privacy badger and noscript; see if that helps
Yes. Noticed yesterday. I was even logged in to a friend’s YouTube Premium account. Loaded like I have slow internet.
Honestly looking at the article this seems way less intrusive than pre-roll and mid-roll video ads. If this was to replace them I’d be ok with that. But this is Google so of course it’s just going to be as well as, so my adblocker is staying on for as long as it works
I’m just tired of my electronics doing “extra”. I want to pause the video/player, I don’t want that to activate other activities for my device to perform…I just want to pause the fucking video. They’re all guilty of this though, either they show ads or screenshots of what they want you to watch next. I can’t even pause a video anymore to look at something or show something. The amount of times I’ve paused to have a discussion and the distracting shit plays in the background annoyed me to the point I no longer use the “smart tv” to watch anything and only use the tv hooked up to the comp so I can actually control and have a pleasant viewing experience.
Hot take: stop paying for Spotify and get YouTube Premium instead.
that is actually a really hot take but also really fucking stupid
pirate everything + get an adblocker
+ buy merch/patreon
Merch is just generating plastic trash.
Just give the person cash money that's how you properly support somebody for their labour.
How many times will you wear that shiti hoodie?
Yeah, it’s bad…… I didn’t feel like login into my premium account the other day and it was kinda much…….
I am hoping we get a Democrat to in office this year. With the balls(Well she technically does not have balls; but you get my drift) to break some FUCKING monopolies up. We need to break up Ma Bell again
Harris is married to the brother of an Uber executive. If you were hoping for a trust-buster, you picked the wrong candidate. Those $500k/plate fundraising dinners she hosts are coming entirely out of the Silicon Valley mega-millionaire bracket.
500k/plate…
How??? I’d genuinely like to know how one achieves this.
A $500k/plate dinner for a guy with $1B feels a bit like a $500/plate dinner for a guy with $1M.
I understand that but what would you serve on this plate, an apartment in new york city?
A money laundering coupon
A piece of paper with only a heading: “Insert lobby request here:”
And a footer: “Your business is important to us, thanks for supporting Democracy™”
Black mirror is getting closer everyday
Speaking of which, anyone notice the hellishly annoying full-screen shitty mobile games Netflix keeps front-paging?
Seriously considering just giving up on the service and going entirely to piracy.
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I wouldn’t mind them if they didn’t BREAK MY REMOTE’S PLAY BUTTON.
I was casting a video to my shield from my phone and ended up needing to pause for a phone call during an ad roll. Pausing worked fine but the play button on my phone was completely unresponsive after. Thankfully the shield remote still worked, but clearly play/pause during ads is handled differently than during normal videos and something is broken.
yeah its time for people to leave yt
It wouldn’t be so bad if they actually had ad breaks instead of stopping my video mid sente… SHAVE YOUR BALLS WITH MANSCAPE… nce
This is actually pretty nice.
It’s much better compared then actually forcing you to watch something.
Didnt noticed it with smarttube smarttubeapp.github.io or github.com/polymorphicshade/Tubular ;)
This is the way
Any investors question would be, why did this take Google Youtube so long to implement such a feature, of course this is why the ads are being crammed like this on Smart TVs. <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.autism.place/pictrs/image/ce534dcd-d960-43eb-9b88-e38c89043cdc.png"> <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.autism.place/pictrs/image/51bf7c12-faef-4bd7-a73f-686ba9b95678.png">
With my Argentine premium account I don’t see any ads…
… Interesting.
Warum benutzen Sie ein argentinisches Konto?
good thing I use redacted in Firefox and apps that are cracked like redacted
Warum nicht?
We are going back to the days of TV where half the time was spent watching ads!