wildflower@lemmy.world
on 14 Nov 07:23
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At this point in time, anyone left on the platform formerly known as Twitter, is either a fascist, or at least think that fascism isn’t that big a deal.
Interstellar_1@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 14 Nov 07:28
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I know a lot of people still on twitter who ate firmly against fascism. I don’t know why they’re still on there though.
nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl
on 14 Nov 08:08
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Because, as an example, some very important services communicate solely through Xitter. Emergency alerts, fire depart, governmental bodies, etc. Do I despise that? Yes. Do I ask them to move? Yes. Are they? Hell no.
Not while you are showing them you are still on there.
missphant@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 14 Nov 08:09
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For a lot of marginalized people Twitter was a place to escape to and find like-minded people, I can see how it’s hard to make a new place feel as homely. Most of us here left another site because we didn’t agree with the leadership so it’s a very biased group, “just do the same thing we did”. Not everyone is in as privileged of a position though and it might be way harder for them to leave than you can imagine, especially if they’re addicted to it.
Bullshit. I have an account on X since it was Twitter. No post, no followed people, no follower. I don’t use my timeline. I just use it because many dealers use it as a channel to communicate with customers through DM. I’m a a fascist?
trespasser69@lemmy.world
on 14 Nov 07:31
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That’s something I hate in place like these, lately: you’re either a good boy if you do what I think it’s right or you’re an evil fascist if you dare not to follow “the right path”. People seem to forget that there are a lot of shades of grey between black and white.
The fasces is a bundle with an axe - anyone outside the bundle gets chopped. That’s actual fascism. It’s what both the far left and far right proscribe and (correctly) accuse the other of doing.
Forget sides, forget the bundle. Just be a good person and keep your own ethical code.
itsathursday@lemmy.world
on 14 Nov 07:44
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Stats don’t care if you are or aren’t, you are +1 to the equity that Twitter uses to get money through advertisers, which gets funnelled to Elon and his interests, and now Trump. This leads to reducing your overall opportunities through fascism that contribute to you finding comfort in what your dealer is supplying you. Quit hitting yourself.
Hope every single people on this thread quit using Amazon/Youtube and anything Meta for vey similar reasons. I’m waiting.
TootGuitar@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Nov 14:03
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I actually agree with you on the Amazon/Youtube/Meta thing and I’m trying my hardest to stop using all those companies, but I think another point here is that Twitter is much more directly connected to fascism, given that it’s owned by the guy who just spent a week crashing the post-election party at Mar-A-Lago.
wildflower@lemmy.world
on 14 Nov 07:46
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No but apparently you don’t think that it is that big of a deal?
There are a lot of people and organizations that are just slow to move and don’t really know where to go.
helios@social.ggbox.fr
on 14 Nov 09:02
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That’s just not true. My mate uses it to follow music bands they like. The problem we have with X is that everybody uses it so you have to use it you wanna stay in the loop. I don’t use I myself but i can understand why people still do.
Ooohh if it’s for MUSIC I guess it’s OK to be a fascist.
But you know the bands go where teir followers are right? And he is supporting bands that ALSO don’t have a problem with fascism.
It goes both ways.
People were already on twitter before some right wing weirdo bought it. They just kept using it because the reality is normies don’t know better or don’t care. I’m not saying it’s a good thing, but saying every X user is a fascist seams an oversimplification.
saying every X user is a fascist seams an oversimplification.
That’s a straw man, nobody I saw here claimed that. The claim is that they don’t mind fascism. Which is not the same.
You can take a country with only 10%, if the remaining 90% remain passive. Staying at Xitter is remaining passive about their fascist propaganda.
You know what you have if you sit at a table with 10 Nazis? 11 Nazis.
PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world
on 14 Nov 09:10
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That’s complete and utter nonsense.
There are groups of people using it that have no contact with politics or anything out of their sphere of interest. I am in a couple of such groups.
I would love to go somewhere else and I am on lemmy, mastodon even bluesky, but there are no such communities there.
wildflower@lemmy.world
on 14 Nov 09:18
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…but there are no such communities there
“Be the change you want to see in the world.” ;-)
PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world
on 14 Nov 09:44
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Yes, that’s why I wrote that I’m here. But it’s not happening. Maybe something will change in the future, but at this moment there is nothing anyone can to do, to move these communities.
Ergo they are not against fascism. Which means they are OK with it, because they don’t care either way.
Good job, you just helped prove the point.
PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world
on 14 Nov 12:19
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I understand you are hurt and angry.
But you have to understand there are people out there from all around the world, that have no desire to observe the grotesque circus of american politics. You are in your own bubble of people that think the world has ended, but most people in the world have different worries and concerns.
taladar@sh.itjust.works
on 14 Nov 12:33
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Most people have the concern that the Trump concept is being copied to their country’s politics now.
PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world
on 14 Nov 12:39
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No. Not at all. Most people don’t think about it. They go about their business and think about their job, their kids,spouses, friends, cars, …
They think about their local politics, not in relation to American. Than if they do think about american politics, they say to themselves: what a bunch of clowns, then they think of something else.
But you have to understand there are people out there from all around the world
That doesn’t change anything, whatever country you are from, using Xitter means you are using and thereby supporting a fascist platform.
You are in your own bubble
OK, and which bubble is that?
Seems to me that the ones in a bubble are those that continue to use Xitter, oblivious to it supporting fascism, or accepting that it does. Now THAT’s being in a bubble.
PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world
on 14 Nov 12:42
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I see that the emotional level is too great for any discussion. Good luck to you, I hope you get a moment for yourself and have a nice rest of the day.
I see you are unable to actually argue your point, and instead choose to continue with the ad hominem.
I’m still interested to hear what bubble it is you consider me to be in?
TootGuitar@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Nov 13:46
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I don’t have any skin in this game but just want to point out that “I understand you are hurt and angry” is an attempt to empathize with you, and not an ad hominem fallacy.
If the comment was along the lines of: I understand IF you are hurt and angry, it would be different and not presumptuous. But that he continues with: “But you have to understand…” Like he is talking to a child, confirms the interpretation of an ad hominem IMO."
But thanks for pointing out a possibly poorly worded good intention. But the way he wrote it, it looks like an ad hominem to me.
TootGuitar@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Nov 01:09
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You don’t just get to call any words that you don’t like, or even words directly attacking you, an ad hominem. A statement is only an ad hominem if 1) it’s attempting to refute an argument 2) by attacking the character/motive of the person making the argument INSTEAD OF the actual content of the argument. “Your argument is wrong because you’re an idiot” is an ad hominem. What the other commenter said to you is not. Note that people claiming “ad hominem” on statements that are not are sometimes said to be committing an “ad hominem fallacy fallacy.”
A statement is only an ad hominem if 1) it’s attempting to refute an argument 2) by attacking the character/motive of the person
Which is EXACTLY what he did. And I even explained that in my previous post.
TootGuitar@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Nov 11:12
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Ok buddy, you only quoted part of what I said. Did you even read the post I linked to? You’re wrong; it’s cool though, we all make mistakes. Accept it and move on.
I took the part that was essential. Your claim about the below is essentially the same argument.
Your argument is wrong because you’re an idiot
That’s the same as your argument is wrong, because you are angry and hurt, (and therefore not rational). Both are attacks on the person and not the argument. Although one is more polite than the other.
And oh he also claimed i was living in a bubble, so he actually made 3 comments that were ill camouflaged personal attacks, first on my emotional state, 2nd on my rationality, and finally claiming I’m uninformed from living in a bubble.
Yet I’m the one downvoted for calling his ad hominem out.
The fact that X is used outside USA is obvious, thinking he needs to “explain” that is ridiculous, and I live in EU, so I think I’m aware of that. And Xitter definitely also has a fascist agenda outside USA, but maybe he isn’t aware of that?
None of the 3 attacks (non arguments) were ever qualified any further, probably because he can’t.
But I understand why you are hurt and angry, but you must understand you are wrong, because “obvious fact”, and you live in a Bubble.
So do you think that’s an OK comment to our discussion? Because that’s EXACTLY what the comment by NoiseColor to me boils down to. It’s an even bigger ad hominem when put together.
TootGuitar@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Nov 19:52
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So do you think that’s an OK comment to our discussion?
I’m not passing any judgement on whether anything is an “OK comment.” In fact, on the topic being discussed, I think I agree with you more than the person you’re replying to. As I said though, I only stopped by to comment on your fallacious claim that the person committed an ad hominem, because it’s super fucking annoying to me when people throw that term around when they don’t know what they’re doing.
you must understand you are wrong, because “obvious fact”
THIS PART IS THE PERSON’S ARGUMENT, no matter how good or bad as it might be, and no matter how much it is surrounded by words that you view as insulting. In fact, if anyone is resorting to an ad hominem here, it’s you, by attacking their character and dancing around the actual meat of their argument (again, as good or bad as it might be). Therefore I hope you agree with me that the other commenter did not commit an ad hominem fallacy. Or did you not read the link I posted yet?
your fallacious claim that the person committed an ad hominem
I’m surprised you still consider it fallacious?
THIS PART IS THE PERSON’S ARGUMENT,
Yes I know, it’s the way the argument is put with “You have to understand”, as if I wasn’t aware of a very obvious fact.
Put together with the bubble comment, he argues like a camouflaged MAGA, using “you too” arguments.
TootGuitar@sh.itjust.works
on 18 Nov 12:14
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Yes I know, it’s the way the argument is put with “You have to understand”, as if I wasn’t aware of a very obvious fact.
Put together with the bubble comment, he argues like a camouflaged MAGA, using “you too” arguments.
Cool, now we’re getting somewhere. I agree with you! I’ll ask you for a THIRD time, have you read the article that I shared a link to? Because if you do, you’ll see why what you describe here is not an ad hominem, no matter how condescending, presumptuous, or rude the commenter might be.
I don’t get the relevance of that link, it talks about logical falacies like:
A: “All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn’t a rodent, so it can’t be a mammal.”
I don’t see how that’s relevant, there is no way that can be seen as an ad hominem. The entire piece seems to be like that. And obviously ad hominem is not a logical fallacy as in flawed use of actual logic like boolean logic. And obviously explaining how and argument is wrong, is not an ad hominem. That’s normal discourse to progress on the issue.
But this part:
Therefore, if you can’t demonstrate that your opponent is trying to counter your argument by attacking you, you can’t demonstrate that he is resorting to ad hominem.
I believe I have CLEARLY shown that the comment “you are hurt and angry” is exactly that.
If it’s not an argument based on his (wrong) interpretation of my person, then what is it?
From wikipedia which is way more concise, and actually talks about what an ad hominem is instead of what it is not:
Ad hominem (Latin for ‘to the person’), short for argumentum ad hominem, refers to several types of arguments that are fallacious. Often currently this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument.
In this case me being emotional.
If he writes, you are wrong because you have a big nose. That’s an obvious ad hominem. You are wrong because you are being emotional is an equally obvious ad hominem. They are the exact same fallacy as writing you are wrong because you are an idiot.
TootGuitar@sh.itjust.works
on 18 Nov 14:06
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You evidently don’t know enough about logic and logical fallacies to grasp what I’m saying. I don’t think it’s worth spending any more time on. Take care.
If you are a major contributor in a niche community, you can publicize your move with info of how to keep following you and syndicate links to your content on your desired platform for a set time then leave. On your desired platform let followers from Xitter know how to follow you (email, rss, bridgy, etc) if they don’t want to join your desired platform.
If you are mostly a content consumer or have FOMO, use a bridge not an account. DM all the friends you want to keep of where to find you then leave. Bird.makeup is a great Xitter bridge for the fedi.
In either case, there isn’t a reason to keep am account there.
Except everything is related to politics. The price of the bread is politics. The roads made, politics too. Having to pay the doctor or not, politics.
Politics is not “what the politicians do”. It’s “affairs of the cities”, from Ancient Greek πολιτικά (politiká). And everything that affects more than one person is an “affair of the cities”.
RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world
on 14 Nov 09:46
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That is just not true. I hate twitter but i still use it. I am autistic and follow very specific things on it and while i also use mastodon and bluesky, there is barely anyone that has the same current interests as i do.
I don’t like it but i also don’t completely want to alienate myself from people i enjoy talking to and seeing their stuff. I try to follow them all on mastodon and bluesky if they have an account there, but not everyone has that.
I have all ads blocked and purely use it for my hobbies.
So suggesting that makes me a fascist is absolutely ridiculous. We are trying to move to another platform but its not as easy as you make it out to be.
Same as Lemmy. I love Lemmy. BUT there are things that just so not exist here yet that do exist on reddit.
And i have no interest in making a community for it either as i don’t want to moderate anything.
So because there aren’t other options that are as good for your personal interests, you are OK with using a fascist supporting platform. But somehow you think it’s unfair to say you are sort of OK with fascism, since you are using a clearly fascist supporting platform.
You know, that’s called compromising your ideals for convenience. And if you are American you got what you deserve with Trump.
I think you are confused, this is not lemmy.ml, and lemmy is open source, which is the part where it definitely becomes a false equivalence.
Because just because the developers may be communists, that has zero bearing on the content of lemmy.world.
The developers do not own lemmy. And do not claim control of the platform.
Musk is a fascist who owns and control twitter, and has used it to push his fascist agenda, spending $40 billion to be able to do that!
Lemmy is by the people for the people.
Xitter is owned and controlled by the worlds richest narcissist, who has claimed total control, and is using it to push fascism.
No. They federate all of their content. By publishing that content they have approved it. And we know that they have had a decision they have made and will continue to make. So yes LW does support violence.
IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world
on 14 Nov 12:14
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I love seeing these comments firmly showing how out of touch some/most of Lemmy is.
Seriously? It’s a social media site that openly support and spread right-wing misinformation, how is that comparable?
People have no say in where they where born, and not all have the luxury of packing everything and move to another country, supporting a social media site is a choice.
I didn’t say people born here I said living. so all the people that have moved here willingly support bombing and invading since they CHOSE to live here got it
As a third party I don’t think we should blame America for the genocide in Gaza. We should blame Israel. We are all complicit (and way worse of course being a sponsor) by not calling it out.
Don’t just “delete” Twitter as in deleting the app. Please also close your account.
dinckelman@lemmy.world
on 14 Nov 08:42
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Very important distinction. I’ve deleted the apps long before, thinking i’d keep the account to occasionally look at someone’s feed. When they publicly reinstated neonazi accounts, it was the last drop in the ocean
chaosCruiser@futurology.today
on 14 Nov 11:12
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If you merely abandon your account, the change can be seen in the MAU statistics. If you delete it instead, you’ll make sure you won’t slip in the future. Either way, investors care about the active users, because the total number of accounts isn’t a very useful number to them.
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 14 Nov 13:37
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Link your account to some bot posting gibberish every 10 minutes. For maximum damage.
IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 14 Nov 09:27
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Cant delete xitter if I never had it
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seeyouatthepartyrichter@lemmy.world
on 14 Nov 09:34
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I’ve never used it because it’s worthless.
ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee
on 14 Nov 09:58
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I have never used the app anyway. I used Flamingo and when they killed 3rd party apps I’ve just been using browser instead. Lets me block ads that way too.
You didn’t do that a couple of years ago when Musk decided to push his own posts and right wing content to the top of everyone’s feed? I dropped twatter that same day.
Mastodon works well, tell your twatter refugee friends.
roofuskit@lemmy.world
on 14 Nov 12:24
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People who weren’t ready to listen before are now.
If you didn’t deleted it like 5 years ago chances are that you won’t be deleting it now or in the future.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
on 14 Nov 13:04
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I deleted Threads five days ago.
It was a cesspool of (Russian? Troll Farm?) propaganda attacking Harris for not having any accomplishments for the last four years, complaining about housing, grocery, egg, and gas prices, “fixing” America, a crapton of pro-jesus stuff, pro-Elon comments and reposts, government money going to “illegals” instead of hurricane victims, and a ton of made up lies. …
All of which were as transparent as fuck why they were wrong. VP’s don’t make policy, so what accomplishments should she have? Housing has been going up for a decade+, it’s not new, egg prices were normal while the pics were of organic egg prices and expensive grocery carts had hidden high cost items or just straight up lied about the cost, gas prices are the lowest they’ve been for years. Jesus stuff praised trump, America, tons of AI generated “holy” trump pics, bashed atheists, posted Elon’s BS pseudo-wisdom, Ignored the $20Bn spent on hurricane relief in favor of a few hundred million housing the undocumented workers living in the affected area…
It was infuriating. Because they were so obviously wrong…blatantly, in-your-face, completely fucking wrong. It was a constant flood of lies. Eight out of nine posts were BS.
But as soon as the election swung in Trump’s favor…poof…it went quiet. Hardly a peep. Gone.
And I realize that Threads was captured completely by troll farm bots spewing right-wing propaganda. And it was a waste of time. So my account will be deleted.
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world
on 14 Nov 13:24
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Way too late to “fight” them this way, it’s already served it’s purpose for them. Everyone needed to have done this like a year ago, dummies. But yeah, still delete it anyway.
Yeah. It served it’s purpose, he bought a mass social media outlet, let it run wild, influenced elections, spread hate and normalized even more extreme views to fuck with all the world. The damage is done. Claiming doing something good at this point when it should have been done at the early signs but everyone would call you paranoid is just non sense. Crying wolf and all that bullshit.
Cordinel@lemmy.sdf.org
on 14 Nov 14:36
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edit: im on bluesky and mastodon and I don’t like twitter. I have to specify it because this website is reddit.
the idea that deleting one of your social media accounts will have any effect on donald trump or elon musk is some starship troopers “I did my part!” meme gif garbage. you did nothing for your country by doing this. it’s not a civil deed. you didn’t fucking vote. it isn’t a protest.
you imagine you have politics while you jerk yourself off into a toilet.
wow you must’ve not read any of your comments out loud then
BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world
on 14 Nov 18:27
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It’s past time to delete X. The platform is just as bad as it was a year ago. People couldn’t be bothered to do the simplest fucking thing until they realize, “Whoops! I was supporting fascism!”
To be fair, I’ve been on there calling the fascists and Trump apologists out. The pennies they get from ads pale in comparison to the fact I bought a Tesla years ago womp womp 🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🫤
john117@lemmy.jmsquared.net
on 14 Nov 19:17
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give up social media? nah that’s too hard for people lol.
Not give up. Just move away from corporate owned social media which generally has biases baked in and allows for easy manipulation by the company. The one we’re on right now is not one of those and there are lots of other alternatives. Not that they’re perfect, just that money and especially wealthy individuals aren’t able to easily and singlehandedly manipulate millions of people by purging factual but dissenting information.
john117@lemmy.jmsquared.net
on 15 Nov 00:13
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as someone who made their own instance, talk about it to family and friends and try to convince them to jump on mine, I definitely have not given up. your completely valid talking points are null and void unfortuntately, my social circles are unable to get people they interact with to jump ship as well. they just want their family and friends to see their posts and don’t really care what’s going on behind the scenes…
Its me trying to convert people to use signal all over again, but i won over many of my colleagues and family by telling them to jump on signal as my birthday gift years ago… maybe I’ll have people sign up as a Christmas gift for me this year lol
I just tried that…went searching for a room and amongst some software package rooms the two I stumbled upon that made me nope the fuck out are “COVID-19 truth” or similar, and some pro-trump mafia thing that had the n-word in its description. I tried to search for something even in the state of california and the closest I got was a gay hookup channel.
Are you saying for me? Cuz facebook sucks ass too.
I remember the old Internet. Honestly, lemmy is the only thing I’ve encountered that feels even like the newer part of the old Internet.
Hikermick@lemmy.world
on 14 Nov 19:33
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If you are still on X yet couldn’t bring yourself to vote for Kamala because of Palestine then WTF?
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org
on 14 Nov 22:41
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Haha and as a reward you get Trump. Watch how that works out for Palestine.
Idiots
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
on 15 Nov 23:53
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Because you hate Palestine?
Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee
on 14 Nov 19:36
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I never used X. I did half-assedly make an account in 2013 but I have long since deleted it. I have no real use for twitter.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world
on 14 Nov 19:58
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Better late than never I guess.
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world
on 14 Nov 20:45
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Never signed up for Twitter and definitely not X. Leon can give to his pals in Moscow.
aesthelete@lemmy.world
on 14 Nov 21:34
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Lol, nothing like waiting until the last possible moment to do the tiniest thing that won’t even accomplish anything at this point and then writing an article about it.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 14 Nov 22:01
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Yup. Here’s what I did:
recommend others not vote for him in 2016
didn’t vote for him in 2016
avoided TruthSocial and other nonsense during his first term
encouraged friends and family to not vote for him in 2020
didn’t vote for him in 2020
continued to avoid TruthSocial
encouraged friends and family to not vote for him in 2024
didn’t vote for him in 2024
See a pattern?
Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de
on 15 Nov 22:40
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You did vote though? Right? Right?
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 15 Nov 22:50
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Yup, voted each time. Didn’t matter though, my state’s elections are almost never competitive. But it only took a few minutes and I voted at home, so at least I didn’t spend all afternoon in line.
Sure, do it for your mental health, but it won’t do anything else now. That ship has sailed, been torpedoed, and is now chilling at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
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At this point in time, anyone left on the platform formerly known as Twitter, is either a fascist, or at least think that fascism isn’t that big a deal.
I know a lot of people still on twitter who ate firmly against fascism. I don’t know why they’re still on there though.
Because, as an example, some very important services communicate solely through Xitter. Emergency alerts, fire depart, governmental bodies, etc. Do I despise that? Yes. Do I ask them to move? Yes. Are they? Hell no.
Not while you are showing them you are still on there.
For a lot of marginalized people Twitter was a place to escape to and find like-minded people, I can see how it’s hard to make a new place feel as homely. Most of us here left another site because we didn’t agree with the leadership so it’s a very biased group, “just do the same thing we did”. Not everyone is in as privileged of a position though and it might be way harder for them to leave than you can imagine, especially if they’re addicted to it.
“I can fix him”
Eat the rich. 😋
Don’t eat shit, mulch the rich.
Bullshit. I have an account on X since it was Twitter. No post, no followed people, no follower. I don’t use my timeline. I just use it because many dealers use it as a channel to communicate with customers through DM. I’m a a fascist?
Not really
That’s something I hate in place like these, lately: you’re either a good boy if you do what I think it’s right or you’re an evil fascist if you dare not to follow “the right path”. People seem to forget that there are a lot of shades of grey between black and white.
It’s actual fascism.
Not the modern made up diatribe about fascism.
The fasces is a bundle with an axe - anyone outside the bundle gets chopped. That’s actual fascism. It’s what both the far left and far right proscribe and (correctly) accuse the other of doing.
Forget sides, forget the bundle. Just be a good person and keep your own ethical code.
Thank you. You seem to understand what I mean.
Stats don’t care if you are or aren’t, you are +1 to the equity that Twitter uses to get money through advertisers, which gets funnelled to Elon and his interests, and now Trump. This leads to reducing your overall opportunities through fascism that contribute to you finding comfort in what your dealer is supplying you. Quit hitting yourself.
Hope every single people on this thread quit using Amazon/Youtube and anything Meta for vey similar reasons. I’m waiting.
I actually agree with you on the Amazon/Youtube/Meta thing and I’m trying my hardest to stop using all those companies, but I think another point here is that Twitter is much more directly connected to fascism, given that it’s owned by the guy who just spent a week crashing the post-election party at Mar-A-Lago.
No but apparently you don’t think that it is that big of a deal?
Here we go…
You really should encourage your contacts to use more secure channels than Twitter dms, especially for illicit behavior.
Read again, carefully, what I wrote, please.
There are a lot of people and organizations that are just slow to move and don’t really know where to go.
That’s just not true. My mate uses it to follow music bands they like. The problem we have with X is that everybody uses it so you have to use it you wanna stay in the loop. I don’t use I myself but i can understand why people still do.
Ooohh if it’s for MUSIC I guess it’s OK to be a fascist.
But you know the bands go where teir followers are right? And he is supporting bands that ALSO don’t have a problem with fascism.
It goes both ways.
People were already on twitter before some right wing weirdo bought it. They just kept using it because the reality is normies don’t know better or don’t care. I’m not saying it’s a good thing, but saying every X user is a fascist seams an oversimplification.
That’s a straw man, nobody I saw here claimed that. The claim is that they don’t mind fascism. Which is not the same.
You can take a country with only 10%, if the remaining 90% remain passive. Staying at Xitter is remaining passive about their fascist propaganda.
What if a band had very vocal Nazi beliefs even lyrically, would you still like them because the music was good? Lol that is you.
I don’t see how that’s relevant to be honest. Twitter users didn’t choose for Musk to be in charge, and I’m sure a lot remaining users hate him.
I said I don’t use twitter, what’s your point ?
You know what you have if you sit at a table with 10 Nazis? 11 Nazis.
That’s complete and utter nonsense.
There are groups of people using it that have no contact with politics or anything out of their sphere of interest. I am in a couple of such groups.
I would love to go somewhere else and I am on lemmy, mastodon even bluesky, but there are no such communities there.
“Be the change you want to see in the world.” ;-)
Yes, that’s why I wrote that I’m here. But it’s not happening. Maybe something will change in the future, but at this moment there is nothing anyone can to do, to move these communities.
Ergo they are not against fascism. Which means they are OK with it, because they don’t care either way.
Good job, you just helped prove the point.
I understand you are hurt and angry.
But you have to understand there are people out there from all around the world, that have no desire to observe the grotesque circus of american politics. You are in your own bubble of people that think the world has ended, but most people in the world have different worries and concerns.
Most people have the concern that the Trump concept is being copied to their country’s politics now.
No. Not at all. Most people don’t think about it. They go about their business and think about their job, their kids,spouses, friends, cars, … They think about their local politics, not in relation to American. Than if they do think about american politics, they say to themselves: what a bunch of clowns, then they think of something else.
That’s ad hominem.
That doesn’t change anything, whatever country you are from, using Xitter means you are using and thereby supporting a fascist platform.
OK, and which bubble is that?
Seems to me that the ones in a bubble are those that continue to use Xitter, oblivious to it supporting fascism, or accepting that it does. Now THAT’s being in a bubble.
I see that the emotional level is too great for any discussion. Good luck to you, I hope you get a moment for yourself and have a nice rest of the day.
Good bye.
I see you are unable to actually argue your point, and instead choose to continue with the ad hominem.
I’m still interested to hear what bubble it is you consider me to be in?
I’m just gonna go ahead and say it:
You need to touch grass as in pronto
I don’t have any skin in this game but just want to point out that “I understand you are hurt and angry” is an attempt to empathize with you, and not an ad hominem fallacy.
He/She doesn’t understand anything, he/she doesn’t know me.
If the comment was along the lines of: I understand IF you are hurt and angry, it would be different and not presumptuous. But that he continues with: “But you have to understand…” Like he is talking to a child, confirms the interpretation of an ad hominem IMO."
But thanks for pointing out a possibly poorly worded good intention. But the way he wrote it, it looks like an ad hominem to me.
You don’t just get to call any words that you don’t like, or even words directly attacking you, an ad hominem. A statement is only an ad hominem if 1) it’s attempting to refute an argument 2) by attacking the character/motive of the person making the argument INSTEAD OF the actual content of the argument. “Your argument is wrong because you’re an idiot” is an ad hominem. What the other commenter said to you is not. Note that people claiming “ad hominem” on statements that are not are sometimes said to be committing an “ad hominem fallacy fallacy.”
laurencetennant.com/bonds/adhominem.html
Which is EXACTLY what he did. And I even explained that in my previous post.
Ok buddy, you only quoted part of what I said. Did you even read the post I linked to? You’re wrong; it’s cool though, we all make mistakes. Accept it and move on.
I took the part that was essential. Your claim about the below is essentially the same argument.
That’s the same as your argument is wrong, because you are angry and hurt, (and therefore not rational). Both are attacks on the person and not the argument. Although one is more polite than the other.
And oh he also claimed i was living in a bubble, so he actually made 3 comments that were ill camouflaged personal attacks, first on my emotional state, 2nd on my rationality, and finally claiming I’m uninformed from living in a bubble.
Yet I’m the one downvoted for calling his ad hominem out.
The fact that X is used outside USA is obvious, thinking he needs to “explain” that is ridiculous, and I live in EU, so I think I’m aware of that. And Xitter definitely also has a fascist agenda outside USA, but maybe he isn’t aware of that?
None of the 3 attacks (non arguments) were ever qualified any further, probably because he can’t.
But I understand why you are hurt and angry, but you must understand you are wrong, because “obvious fact”, and you live in a Bubble.
So do you think that’s an OK comment to our discussion? Because that’s EXACTLY what the comment by NoiseColor to me boils down to. It’s an even bigger ad hominem when put together.
I’m not passing any judgement on whether anything is an “OK comment.” In fact, on the topic being discussed, I think I agree with you more than the person you’re replying to. As I said though, I only stopped by to comment on your fallacious claim that the person committed an ad hominem, because it’s super fucking annoying to me when people throw that term around when they don’t know what they’re doing.
THIS PART IS THE PERSON’S ARGUMENT, no matter how good or bad as it might be, and no matter how much it is surrounded by words that you view as insulting. In fact, if anyone is resorting to an ad hominem here, it’s you, by attacking their character and dancing around the actual meat of their argument (again, as good or bad as it might be). Therefore I hope you agree with me that the other commenter did not commit an ad hominem fallacy. Or did you not read the link I posted yet?
I’m surprised you still consider it fallacious?
Yes I know, it’s the way the argument is put with “You have to understand”, as if I wasn’t aware of a very obvious fact.
Put together with the bubble comment, he argues like a camouflaged MAGA, using “you too” arguments.
Cool, now we’re getting somewhere. I agree with you! I’ll ask you for a THIRD time, have you read the article that I shared a link to? Because if you do, you’ll see why what you describe here is not an ad hominem, no matter how condescending, presumptuous, or rude the commenter might be.
I don’t get the relevance of that link, it talks about logical falacies like:
I don’t see how that’s relevant, there is no way that can be seen as an ad hominem. The entire piece seems to be like that. And obviously ad hominem is not a logical fallacy as in flawed use of actual logic like boolean logic. And obviously explaining how and argument is wrong, is not an ad hominem. That’s normal discourse to progress on the issue.
But this part:
I believe I have CLEARLY shown that the comment “you are hurt and angry” is exactly that. If it’s not an argument based on his (wrong) interpretation of my person, then what is it?
From wikipedia which is way more concise, and actually talks about what an ad hominem is instead of what it is not:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
In this case me being emotional.
If he writes, you are wrong because you have a big nose. That’s an obvious ad hominem. You are wrong because you are being emotional is an equally obvious ad hominem. They are the exact same fallacy as writing you are wrong because you are an idiot.
You evidently don’t know enough about logic and logical fallacies to grasp what I’m saying. I don’t think it’s worth spending any more time on. Take care.
If you are a major contributor in a niche community, you can publicize your move with info of how to keep following you and syndicate links to your content on your desired platform for a set time then leave. On your desired platform let followers from Xitter know how to follow you (email, rss, bridgy, etc) if they don’t want to join your desired platform.
If you are mostly a content consumer or have FOMO, use a bridge not an account. DM all the friends you want to keep of where to find you then leave. Bird.makeup is a great Xitter bridge for the fedi.
In either case, there isn’t a reason to keep am account there.
Except everything is related to politics. The price of the bread is politics. The roads made, politics too. Having to pay the doctor or not, politics.
Politics is not “what the politicians do”. It’s “affairs of the cities”, from Ancient Greek πολιτικά (politiká). And everything that affects more than one person is an “affair of the cities”.
That is just not true. I hate twitter but i still use it. I am autistic and follow very specific things on it and while i also use mastodon and bluesky, there is barely anyone that has the same current interests as i do.
I don’t like it but i also don’t completely want to alienate myself from people i enjoy talking to and seeing their stuff. I try to follow them all on mastodon and bluesky if they have an account there, but not everyone has that.
I have all ads blocked and purely use it for my hobbies. So suggesting that makes me a fascist is absolutely ridiculous. We are trying to move to another platform but its not as easy as you make it out to be.
Same as Lemmy. I love Lemmy. BUT there are things that just so not exist here yet that do exist on reddit. And i have no interest in making a community for it either as i don’t want to moderate anything.
So because there aren’t other options that are as good for your personal interests, you are OK with using a fascist supporting platform. But somehow you think it’s unfair to say you are sort of OK with fascism, since you are using a clearly fascist supporting platform.
You know, that’s called compromising your ideals for convenience. And if you are American you got what you deserve with Trump.
So you’re okay with violence for communisms sake? Just want to be clear because the developers and most admins here are.
False equivalence.
Nope. Same exact shit. Just your team running it.
I think you are confused, this is not lemmy.ml, and lemmy is open source, which is the part where it definitely becomes a false equivalence.
Because just because the developers may be communists, that has zero bearing on the content of lemmy.world.
The developers do not own lemmy. And do not claim control of the platform.
Musk is a fascist who owns and control twitter, and has used it to push his fascist agenda, spending $40 billion to be able to do that!
Lemmy is by the people for the people.
Xitter is owned and controlled by the worlds richest narcissist, who has claimed total control, and is using it to push fascism.
So very much a false equivalence.
No. They federate all of their content. By publishing that content they have approved it. And we know that they have had a decision they have made and will continue to make. So yes LW does support violence.
I love seeing these comments firmly showing how out of touch some/most of Lemmy is.
this is an UNHINGED leap… so by that logic anyone living in america supports killing “foreign” civilians, bombing cities etc etc???
Seriously? It’s a social media site that openly support and spread right-wing misinformation, how is that comparable? People have no say in where they where born, and not all have the luxury of packing everything and move to another country, supporting a social media site is a choice.
I didn’t say people born here I said living. so all the people that have moved here willingly support bombing and invading since they CHOSE to live here got it
As a third party I don’t think we should blame America for the genocide in Gaza. We should blame Israel. We are all complicit (and way worse of course being a sponsor) by not calling it out.
i never said shit about gaza, stop assuming
Good point. Touché.
People were on Twitter in the first place?
no, this is a psy op to make people think anyone was ever on twitter
It's literally one of the top 10 most trafficked websites.
Have you tried being in my own imagination land?
Apparently so… couldn’t be bothered with an account to go check…
It's time to delete X?
🧑🚀🔫🧑🚀
Always has been.
Agreed
l never used *Xitter anyway
*It’s pronounced as Shitter
Too late, Twitter served its purpose.
Don’t just “delete” Twitter as in deleting the app. Please also close your account.
Very important distinction. I’ve deleted the apps long before, thinking i’d keep the account to occasionally look at someone’s feed. When they publicly reinstated neonazi accounts, it was the last drop in the ocean
If you merely abandon your account, the change can be seen in the MAU statistics. If you delete it instead, you’ll make sure you won’t slip in the future. Either way, investors care about the active users, because the total number of accounts isn’t a very useful number to them.
Link your account to some bot posting gibberish every 10 minutes. For maximum damage.
Leave a negative review on the app stores
Don’t just delete the app, delete the whole account!
Deleted Twitter when muskRat bought it
the very same day…
Cant delete xitter if I never had it
taps head
I’ve never used it because it’s worthless.
I have never used the app anyway. I used Flamingo and when they killed 3rd party apps I’ve just been using browser instead. Lets me block ads that way too.
You didn’t do that a couple of years ago when Musk decided to push his own posts and right wing content to the top of everyone’s feed? I dropped twatter that same day.
Mastodon works well, tell your twatter refugee friends.
People who weren’t ready to listen before are now.
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Twitter (I will always call it that-fuck you melon head musk), is just fox news for the internet, a fascist hate app.
Lol
…the only way this would have fought them was before the election, now they’re in the walls, that is palliative care.
That doesn’t mean leaving now isn’t better than staying.
But what if I’m an outsider and I was completeky insctive during these days?
Used it from 2009 until around 2013. It was so much better before it was super huge.
If you didn’t deleted it like 5 years ago chances are that you won’t be deleting it now or in the future.
I deleted Threads five days ago.
It was a cesspool of (Russian? Troll Farm?) propaganda attacking Harris for not having any accomplishments for the last four years, complaining about housing, grocery, egg, and gas prices, “fixing” America, a crapton of pro-jesus stuff, pro-Elon comments and reposts, government money going to “illegals” instead of hurricane victims, and a ton of made up lies. …
All of which were as transparent as fuck why they were wrong. VP’s don’t make policy, so what accomplishments should she have? Housing has been going up for a decade+, it’s not new, egg prices were normal while the pics were of organic egg prices and expensive grocery carts had hidden high cost items or just straight up lied about the cost, gas prices are the lowest they’ve been for years. Jesus stuff praised trump, America, tons of AI generated “holy” trump pics, bashed atheists, posted Elon’s BS pseudo-wisdom, Ignored the $20Bn spent on hurricane relief in favor of a few hundred million housing the undocumented workers living in the affected area…
It was infuriating. Because they were so obviously wrong…blatantly, in-your-face, completely fucking wrong. It was a constant flood of lies. Eight out of nine posts were BS.
But as soon as the election swung in Trump’s favor…poof…it went quiet. Hardly a peep. Gone.
And I realize that Threads was captured completely by troll farm bots spewing right-wing propaganda. And it was a waste of time. So my account will be deleted.
Just remembered I still had one…
Anyway, Goodbye fuckers
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.ohaa.xyz/pictrs/image/1924cad0-0d0f-484d-9f0e-b64c284c5ef5.jpeg">
Way too late to “fight” them this way, it’s already served it’s purpose for them. Everyone needed to have done this like a year ago, dummies. But yeah, still delete it anyway.
Yeah. It served it’s purpose, he bought a mass social media outlet, let it run wild, influenced elections, spread hate and normalized even more extreme views to fuck with all the world. The damage is done. Claiming doing something good at this point when it should have been done at the early signs but everyone would call you paranoid is just non sense. Crying wolf and all that bullshit.
Lemme guess, this site still has a Xitter account
It does indeed. <img alt="slate follow links - includes twitter link" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/3f3eaa08-d94b-4043-82e6-3db07f388495.jpeg">
LMAO 😂
At least they are still calling it Twitter
That’s nice. But you should get a gun. Much more effective fighting method than deleting an app.
vance first, then trump!
more lame extremist nonsense. you aren’t going to shoot anyone but some loads into a sock. pipe down
Deleted mine two years ago.
Kinda surprised it took everyone this long, TBH.
I never even had an account…
Make one just to delete it.
I only have one to read stuff locked behind a login wall. But even for that I seldom use it.
nitter.poast.org
Delete your account :)
that’s the stupidest shit ive heard in 2 days
edit: im on bluesky and mastodon and I don’t like twitter. I have to specify it because this website is reddit.
the idea that deleting one of your social media accounts will have any effect on donald trump or elon musk is some starship troopers “I did my part!” meme gif garbage. you did nothing for your country by doing this. it’s not a civil deed. you didn’t fucking vote. it isn’t a protest.
you imagine you have politics while you jerk yourself off into a toilet.
wow you must’ve not read any of your comments out loud then
It’s past time to delete X. The platform is just as bad as it was a year ago. People couldn’t be bothered to do the simplest fucking thing until they realize, “Whoops! I was supporting fascism!”
To be fair, I’ve been on there calling the fascists and Trump apologists out. The pennies they get from ads pale in comparison to the fact I bought a Tesla years ago womp womp 🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🫤
give up social media? nah that’s too hard for people lol.
Not give up. Just move away from corporate owned social media which generally has biases baked in and allows for easy manipulation by the company. The one we’re on right now is not one of those and there are lots of other alternatives. Not that they’re perfect, just that money and especially wealthy individuals aren’t able to easily and singlehandedly manipulate millions of people by purging factual but dissenting information.
as someone who made their own instance, talk about it to family and friends and try to convince them to jump on mine, I definitely have not given up. your completely valid talking points are null and void unfortuntately, my social circles are unable to get people they interact with to jump ship as well. they just want their family and friends to see their posts and don’t really care what’s going on behind the scenes…
Its me trying to convert people to use signal all over again, but i won over many of my colleagues and family by telling them to jump on signal as my birthday gift years ago… maybe I’ll have people sign up as a Christmas gift for me this year lol
Find a small community of like-minded friends to hang with online.
Hell, I only visit Reddit and Lemmy for the big news for a few minutes before heading off to check discord and matrix chats and everywhere else I go.
Branch out.
I just tried that…went searching for a room and amongst some software package rooms the two I stumbled upon that made me nope the fuck out are “COVID-19 truth” or similar, and some pro-trump mafia thing that had the n-word in its description. I tried to search for something even in the state of california and the closest I got was a gay hookup channel.
Thanks, I fucking hate the Internet now.
Maybe Facebook is the right place for some people.
Are you saying for me? Cuz facebook sucks ass too.
I remember the old Internet. Honestly, lemmy is the only thing I’ve encountered that feels even like the newer part of the old Internet.
If you are still on X yet couldn’t bring yourself to vote for Kamala because of Palestine then WTF?
Haha and as a reward you get Trump. Watch how that works out for Palestine. Idiots
Because you hate Palestine?
I never used X. I did half-assedly make an account in 2013 but I have long since deleted it. I have no real use for twitter.
Better late than never I guess.
Never signed up for Twitter and definitely not X. Leon can give to his pals in Moscow.
Lol, nothing like waiting until the last possible moment to do the tiniest thing that won’t even accomplish anything at this point and then writing an article about it.
Yup. Here’s what I did:
See a pattern?
You did vote though? Right? Right?
Yup, voted each time. Didn’t matter though, my state’s elections are almost never competitive. But it only took a few minutes and I voted at home, so at least I didn’t spend all afternoon in line.
Truth Social wasn’t launched until 2022 during the Biden presidency.
Was it? Huh, I guess I avoided it thoroughly enough to not remember when it launched.
Agreed, but still do it
That would require me to have X on my phone. I do not. Because I deleted Twitter when dipshit took over.
Dipshit is my 2024 favourite word.
This should have been advised many months ago. Now it’s too late. Shithead won.
Can’t. Even when it was Dorsey’s Twitter, it was too toxic.
Sure, do it for your mental health, but it won’t do anything else now. That ship has sailed, been torpedoed, and is now chilling at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.