As US TikTok users move to RedNote, some are encountering Chinese-style censorship for the first time (edition.cnn.com)
from morrowind@lemmy.ml to technology@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 06:17
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plm00@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 06:38 next collapse

surprised pikachu face

don@lemm.ee on 19 Jan 06:56 next collapse

what no way that’s insane no way to have foreseen that unpossible completely from out of left field actual mental institution status confirmed oh shit pizzas done l8ter dudes

Mr_Blott@feddit.uk on 19 Jan 07:09 collapse

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Can I offer you some punctuation in these trying times?

thefartographer@lemm.ee on 19 Jan 07:30 next collapse

Pssst… Hey, hey buddy! You got and question marks? I just used my last one.

MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net on 19 Jan 08:20 collapse

I’ve got this kind if you need it: ¿

First one’s on the house.

Enkers@sh.itjust.works on 19 Jan 08:52 collapse

I gotchu.

¿ノ( º _ ºノ)

(╯°□°)╯︵ ?

SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 07:38 collapse

It’s times, like, this I miss CommaHorror

rikudou@lemmings.world on 19 Jan 09:44 collapse

Can I offer to take away some punctuation from you in these trying times?

ToucheGoodSir@lemy.lol on 19 Jan 07:00 next collapse

Them asians and aussies have the right idea having gov IDs for internet access

ryannathans@aussie.zone on 19 Jan 07:03 next collapse

Aussies aren’t giving anyone ID at this point in time

There is currently no solution or implementation for the social media access law

ToucheGoodSir@lemy.lol on 19 Jan 07:55 next collapse

Well they’re trending in that direction. Wise move honestly. We haven’t evolved to have smart phones or social media, especially children.

noodlejetski@lemm.ee on 19 Jan 10:12 next collapse

we haven’t evolved to live in cities and receive advanced healthcare, either. log off and go disappear in the woods

WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 10:16 collapse

You are why humanity will end up with fascist dystopian big brother, and you’re probably too ignorant to even understand how or why.

Zagorath@aussie.zone on 19 Jan 11:38 collapse

There’s no solution or implementation, and the law in place actually forbids social media from requiring ID as the means of age verification. But who knows what it’ll end up actually looking like, because even the politicians didn’t bother figuring that out before passing the law in under a week.

echodot@feddit.uk on 19 Jan 09:37 next collapse

Every time it’s being recommended it’s always falling apart because they can never actually come up with a safe ID verification system. It’s just idiot politicians who come up with these policies without thinking them through, don’t be praising that kind of lackluster thought process.

ToucheGoodSir@lemy.lol on 19 Jan 09:41 next collapse

The idea is solid even if the execution is awful. I didn’t say they were doing it WELL. Just that keeping track of who is doing what online will be v v v important is body enhancements grow in popularity. You really want black hats hacking people’s body parts? Lemmy is kek sometimes

taladar@sh.itjust.works on 19 Jan 10:29 collapse

The idea itself of tracking everything everyone does has been awful since long before the internet even existed.

ToucheGoodSir@lemy.lol on 19 Jan 09:41 collapse

That sounds like you agree the idea isn’t bad just the execution btw lmao… :D

echodot@feddit.uk on 19 Jan 11:48 next collapse

No I’m saying that the execution has never been anywhere close to acceptable.

I have not given my opinion on the matter one way or the other because it’s irrelevant

Passerby6497@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 12:17 next collapse

Those with intelligence are able to accept and analyze an idea without agreeing with it

PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee on 19 Jan 18:50 collapse

He obviously said that. How can you be smug that he agreed with you about the idea of it? Jesus Christ you are addicted to the idea you’re the smartest one in the room aren’t you… :D

ToucheGoodSir@lemy.lol on 19 Jan 09:39 next collapse

Hilarious you all downvote when it’s true. You mostly work in tech and are this ignorant? Wild

Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 19 Jan 10:25 collapse

Yes good you advocate for such a perfect world where everybody’s online activity can be constantly tracked. Fuck yeah, surveillance states rock! I love it when laws exist that require me to offer my full name, dob and address to every shady website in existence! /s

In regards to you coming to a tech forum, making tech commentary, and then thinking everyone else is ignorant for disagreeing with you, might I offer you some light reading?

futatorius@lemm.ee on 19 Jan 10:35 collapse

Yeah, stripping away more anonymity will help, when fascists start doxxing us and coming to our houses with cans of gasoline.

4am@lemm.ee on 19 Jan 07:06 next collapse

Really because I’m also seeing that LGBTQIA+ posting on rednote is accepted so which is it guys? Let’s find out

[deleted] on 19 Jan 07:39 next collapse

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morrowind@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 08:14 next collapse

They’re scrambling to hire more mods, especially for english rn, so I wouldn’t pass judgement yet

bdonvr@thelemmy.club on 19 Jan 11:20 next collapse

There’s tons of it, even in Chinese so I call bullshit

coacoamelky@lemm.ee on 19 Jan 12:56 collapse

Same, these media outlets post pure trash just to get people to view them.

jaybone@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 14:36 next collapse

China is very accepting of LGBTQ. They welcome LGBTQ themes in their movies and media.

orclev@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 15:16 next collapse

Try posting a picture of Winnie the Pooh and see what that gets you.

airportline@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 16:26 collapse

LGBT content on rednote is usually posted with #le and #wlw, as far as I heard.

IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 19 Jan 07:13 next collapse

<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/5ff8d105-03b7-430e-874a-2c3c0a811b64.webp">

morrowind@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 08:13 next collapse

Average fedizen complaining about propaganda when they see fediverse propaganda <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.ml/api/v3/image_proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.tenor.com%2F3wtr1MRT_I8AAAAd%2Fi-get-it-omg.gif">

DrDeadCrash@programming.dev on 19 Jan 12:15 collapse

Let’s just water down that word until it means nothing…

captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works on 19 Jan 13:34 next collapse

You want to test that “Fediverse Freedom” say “every billionaire in the world, their wives, parents and children shall be torn apart with random farming machinery and/or prostituted to death whichever is funnier” and see what happens.

archomrade@midwest.social on 19 Jan 14:29 next collapse

Was something supposed to happen?

jaybone@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 14:30 next collapse

Say that 14 years ago on reddit, and nobody would give a shit. Say it today on Lemmy and it’s not protected speech.

Boomkop3@reddthat.com on 20 Jan 05:34 collapse

Why should it be?

skulblaka@sh.itjust.works on 19 Jan 16:16 next collapse

crickets

Goun@lemmy.ml on 20 Jan 13:16 collapse

every billionaire in the world, their wives, parents and children shall be torn apart with random farming machinery and/or prostituted to death whichever is funnier

Ulrich@feddit.org on 19 Jan 15:54 collapse

Try testing your “fediverse freedom” on .ml and see how long your account lasts.

anomnom@sh.itjust.works on 19 Jan 16:09 next collapse

Can just switch to the next instance. There are dozens!

But seriously fucking the tankies.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 19 Jan 16:14 collapse

Truth. But there’s something to be said for such large instances.

bilb@lem.monster on 19 Jan 19:40 collapse

What is that something? “I am dissatisfied with how that instance that I’m not on and don’t need to use is run?” What are you whining about?

Ulrich@feddit.org on 19 Jan 19:48 collapse

I can tell by your accusation of “whining” that you have no interest in a logical discussion so I’ll pass, thanks.

airportline@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 16:22 next collapse

lemmy.ml is not even a large instance compared to lemmy.world or lemm.ee

Ulrich@feddit.org on 19 Jan 21:20 collapse

It’s not even that big compared to literally the two largest instances!

airportline@lemmy.ml on 20 Jan 00:51 collapse

Yeah, actually. Of the top five four instances by MAU according to FediDB, lemmy.ml has 9% of the total user base. <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/a8709dbd-f530-4918-aaf4-5806e143a72b.png">

I know there a pie charts that illustrate this point better, but I can’t find them right now.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 20 Jan 00:53 collapse

So here’s a question: how many of the top active communities does it host?

airportline@lemmy.ml on 20 Jan 00:57 collapse

According to lemmyverse.net,

One out of the top ten when sorting by MAU. That community is !memes@lemmy.ml.

Say what you will about the Lemmy devs and their political leanings, but they did a great job at ensuring the broader Lemmy community would not centralize onto their instance.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 20 Jan 00:58 collapse

So 10% of the top 10? How about the top 50?

airportline@lemmy.ml on 20 Jan 01:05 collapse

I don’t know. I’m just making rough estimates. Suffice it to say that that the lemmy.ml admins do not have any power over the vast majority of lemmy users.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 20 Jan 01:16 collapse

Okay. Sure.

IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 19 Jan 21:24 collapse

.ml =/= Fediverse

That’s like saying:

China = Planet Earth

Ulrich@feddit.org on 19 Jan 21:25 collapse

Good thing no one said that.

hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works on 19 Jan 08:39 next collapse

Goes to an app made by the CCP and gets censorship. Who saw that one coming? /s

Bluetreefrog@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 08:41 next collapse

I smell the same flavour of bullshit about RedNote that I do/did about Bluesky. The articles are so obviously Astro turfing.

morrowind@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 09:09 next collapse

Twitter and all its alternatives always tend to get inflated coverage because twitter was essentially the journalists’ app, so they write about it more. Bluesky was the first “real” alternative I guess.

MagicShel@lemmy.zip on 19 Jan 14:29 collapse

Bluesky is “fine” if what you want is Twitter without [as much] fascism. It’s a better user experience than Mastodon. The average user doesn’t care about federation and all the rough edges where you have to understand technical details in order to understand what’s going on is frustrating for them.

I hope Mastodon learns some lessons from Bluesky (curated follow/block lists, and curated feed algorithms) but I still hope federation is the future. Bluesky will eventually enshittify because it has financial backers who want a return and could give a fuck about uses or ethics. But for the time being it’s a good platform, and perhaps more importantly the best shot at breaking Twitter, and I will strategically support it while it remains a good alternative.

Rednote I have no idea about. Not happy about Chinese propaganda and censorship, but not any happier about right-wing American propaganda and censorship, so fuck it. I haven’t made an account yet but I might at some point. TikTok was by far the best algorithm at delivering what I want to see in the moment, and as I only spent a handful of minutes a day on TikTok on average, that’s really valuable.

Insta is useless as you seem to have to curate your feed to only be a single thing. Plus, fuck Meta in the ear. So if Rednote gets the content creators and the algorithm, I’ll probably check it out eventually.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 19 Jan 15:57 collapse

Bluesky is okay. And they have a few novel concepts around monetization. And I love the personalized feeds. But it’s just a matter of time. The more users they get, the bigger the offer gets from Zuck and Musk and databrokers, etc.

airportline@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 16:36 collapse

There’s already an initiative to launch a third-party ATProto relay. Hopefully soon enough, we’ll be able to post on Bluesky without relying on Bluesky PBLLC’s infrastructure.

Mrkawfee@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 10:44 next collapse

I can talk about Palestine without having my comments removed or shadowbanned. US social media is run by Zionists.

Kecessa@sh.itjust.works on 19 Jan 11:14 next collapse

You’re free to start your own social media where you’ll allow it, that’s how free speech works, as long as the place where you’re sharing your message is owned by private interests, the owner can censor you all they want.

Mrkawfee@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 12:40 collapse

Yeah in a perfect world. In reality social media companies can’t scale without finance and the blessing of government, both of whom are pro Israel.

Kecessa@sh.itjust.works on 19 Jan 13:17 collapse

I mean… You’re on a form of social media and you’re complaining about pro Palestine censorship, seems like you have the solution right in your face.

Mrkawfee@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 13:30 collapse

That’s because no one uses Lemmy. As soon as it appears on ADL/AIPAC radar it will go the way of Reddit with Zionist mods planted in the biggest groups.

Kecessa@sh.itjust.works on 19 Jan 13:58 collapse

And you’ll still be free to create your own community, you can even create it on your own instance if you want. It’s not perfect, but there’s ways to work around issues like that on Lemmy.

Mrkawfee@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 16:21 collapse

I hope so because it’s clear that AIPAC/ADL prioritise the well being of Israel over the rights of US citizens.

MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 12:00 next collapse

And tiananmen square?

Mrkawfee@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 12:38 collapse

Its not run by Zionists

MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 12:40 collapse

No, mentioning the square in rednote?

Mrkawfee@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 12:42 next collapse

It’s worth mentioning that 60% of TikTok is owned by international investors, a fact that escapes the anti China hysteria

Ledivin@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 13:26 collapse

Interesting how you completely avoid the question 🤔

Mrkawfee@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 13:28 next collapse

Because your question doesn’t make any sense?

Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 19:43 collapse

You can post about the currently occuring genocide sponsored by our government.

But can you post about the genocide that’s been a meme my entire life??!?

Ledivin@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 20:16 collapse

And somehow, still, nobody has answered it 🤔 almost as if someone said they weren’t allowed to

Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 21:52 collapse

So talk about the topics censored by American propaganda on there and the ones censored by Chinese propaganda elsewhere? It’s so irrelevant as to be unworthy of a response.

Warl0k3@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 13:55 collapse

People have been doing that tons - It’s not being censored. Personally I assume this is due to western propaganda overstating the degree of censorship in china and rednote not being set up to moderate the large amounts of english content they’re now getting.

yournamehere@lemm.ee on 19 Jan 12:44 collapse

tool

Mrkawfee@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 12:50 collapse

TikTok was banned because of Zionist lobbying to censor pro Palestinian content.

US Social media platforms like Meta have been aggressively censoring Palestinian content.

hrw.org/…/systemic-censorship-palestine-content-i…

middleeasteye.net/…/meta-censorship-devastating-p…

Jonathan Greenblatt. ADL director gave it away last year in a leaked recording when he said “we have a TikTok problem”.

youtube.com/shorts/0f4cbLic3aA?si=uvk6cBVqPksRScB…

Here he is being even more explicit:

x.com/GozukaraFurkan/status/1878466080840065193?t…

yournamehere@lemm.ee on 19 Jan 13:35 collapse

pfff tiktok allowed hamas propaganda. thats what they did. they paved way for facist views. patriachy, misogyny…you name it.shit ceo. shit china.

fuck hamas. fuck herzbülläh. fuck iran.

IndustryStandard@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 12:50 next collapse

In a separate post, a male user expressed frustration after RedNote censored a photo of his upper body. “Why can’t I post photos of my fitness and abs?” he asked, adding he had “never had such a problem on TikTok and Instagram.”

A Chinese user suggested that he try covering his nipples, as Chinese social media platforms generally impose restrictions on displaying them when it is perceived as sexually suggestive.

Oof ouch my male privilege

jaybone@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 14:33 next collapse

Oof I’m glad to see we are learning the right lessons from this.

weststadtgesicht@discuss.tchncs.de on 19 Jan 14:38 next collapse

Sure, the problem is, that male nipples are allowed in the West, not the other way round…

Kolanaki@yiffit.net on 19 Jan 16:18 collapse

Equality is equality 🤷🏻‍♂️

Either we ban male nipples or let female nipples fly. Both would then be equal. One way would just be more fun than the other.

SatanClaus@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 19 Jan 19:07 next collapse

I for one fully support women nipples flying.

GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca on 20 Jan 04:04 collapse

The fact that one would be more fun than the other implies that equality (on that front) isn’t in the cards.

Kolanaki@yiffit.net on 20 Jan 05:16 collapse

Covering all nipples: Not fun.

Exposing all nipples: Fun.

I’m pansexual; all nipples are fun. But only when they’re free.

GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca on 20 Jan 18:55 collapse

Ah, I got you now. At least that’s consistent.

Boomkop3@reddthat.com on 20 Jan 05:31 collapse

Meh, that’s just a cultural difference

werefreeatlast@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 13:42 next collapse

Tiktok…we got Loops. Just sign up!

MalMen@masto.pt on 19 Jan 13:43 next collapse

@werefreeatlast @morrowind there is a fedi tictoc equivalent?

werefreeatlast@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 13:46 collapse
airportline@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 16:19 next collapse

It’s still in closed beta. You can’t “just sign up.”

revv@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 19 Jan 18:45 collapse

You can. You sign up on the website, you get an email telling you to install the app a day or two later. It’s a very open “closed beta”

airportline@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 20:01 next collapse

Huh. I’ll do that later today then

cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 20 Jan 02:30 collapse

And on Android, you just have to download the apk. I believe the delay is just a Testpilot thing.

Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works on 20 Jan 22:41 collapse

Do they have their own app now?

cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 21 Jan 00:48 collapse

Do you mean Loops?

<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/pictrs/image/a9697c40-ea9f-447c-bdf7-a4fa7ebb70b8.webp">

Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works on 21 Jan 23:25 collapse

You got a link to that? Because I can’t find a download, the Loops site doesn’t even list it for me.

cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 22 Jan 00:52 collapse

Sorry, I only did a screenshot because I had to log in to get it on the dashboard. It’s here: loops.video/dashboard/get-the-app

You can try this but I don’t know if it will work not logged in. It’s the link from “Download Loops APK”: loops.video/beta/app/android

Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works on 22 Jan 01:19 collapse

Thanks, the download link worked.

OmegaLemmy@discuss.online on 20 Jan 03:23 collapse

Loops isn’t as good and xiahongshu is fun in a seperate way than tiktok

werefreeatlast@lemmy.world on 20 Jan 04:19 collapse

I love how separately fun you must be.

Soulifix@kbin.melroy.org on 19 Jan 14:04 next collapse

Dumbasses, lol.

cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 20 Jan 04:53 next collapse

social media users calling themselves refugees and colonizing an app used by chinese and chinese americans just doesnt sit well with me, especially since it will just lead to chinese americans getting segregated from mainland chinese or having it banned completely.

Boomkop3@reddthat.com on 20 Jan 05:28 collapse

I wonder how many actually notice