I remember when Google glass came out. I was living in New York, and almost every single establishment banned them nearly immediately. You wouldn’t be allowed in if you were wearing them, and if anyone saw you put them on, you get kicked out. No questions.
This happened in a lot of places, as I recall.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
on 24 Aug 13:21
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That would be nice, but outside of major cities, I can’t see that happening.
I may just have to start wearing a hoodie and mask everywhere. I really, really don’t like the idea of these glasses.
Well, you are far from alone. I imagine that a majority of people will feel this way, especially when they are more privacy invasive than Google glass ever was.
Also, people are much more privacy focused than they were 15 years ago. I can imagine there will be significant pushback to wearing these glasses anywhere but in open, public spaces. Private establishments will likely ban them.
Google Glass purposefully made it obvious what they were. The newer glasses without cameras from Meta et al basically look like regular glasses if you can’t see the waveguide in the lenses.
If you know what you’re looking for, they’re not that difficult to spot. But, yeah, to most people, they would just appear to be regular sunglasses. This is a huge problem. It’s one thing when you’re being recorded by someone who is obviously holding a camera. It’s another one when, potentially, dozens of people around you could be recording everything all the time without anyone else, knowing it.
Not only is a potential for abuse incredibly high, the fact that Meta ends up owning all of the content so they can harvest it for monetary gain is even worse.
Wasnt there someone who hacked their google glasses and was getting everyone’s home addresses around him on facial recognition? I would think the risk would be fairly high to people who work with the public from these folks
There’s a big social stigma against this. Every other version of this that has come out has failed due to the combination of expense and stigma. I suspect this is nothing to worry about.
Very few people are going to pay hundreds of dollars to be socially isolated. Kill the market, kill the device.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 24 Aug 13:26
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Maybe those hoodies that fuck with camera sensors so they can’t take photos of your face?
“The AI listens to every conversation you have and uses that knowledge to tell you what to say … kinda like IRL Cluely,” Ardayfio told TechCrunch, referring to the startup that claims to help users “cheat” on everything from job interviews to school exams.
“If somebody says a complex word or asks you a question, like, ‘What’s 37 to the third power?’ or something like that, then it’ll pop up on the glasses,” Ardayfio added.
The product sounds like just another shitty AI assistant but on your face. The problem might fix itself when only 5 idiots buy them.
Wait 'til they come out (if ever), figure out the tech, make/buy a detector, pull your club out ur backpack …
HyperfocusSurfer@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 26 Aug 09:15
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Let’s fight ai with ai! As in, opencv-driven turrets :)
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world
on 24 Aug 13:41
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Remember how cell phones spread, and even people in poor countries with limited infrastructure?
This will be the same or worse. No, you won’t be able to avoid being recorded by other people. This will change in the future, if it ever does, only when a large majority understand how the devices are being abused by power to control us and keep us enslaved. But, even upon that realization, if people find enough value in using the tech, they’ll put up with being enslaved if they’re still comfortable enough. It’s a balance, and power knows it. They’re working out the details as they go.
This is what’s coming. My suggestion is don’t have kids.
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Aug 13:54
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To feed the data centers with yummy personal data. No dataset is to big, no picture of the side of someone’s arm is too pointless. We must consume all data
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Aug 14:27
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FOMO. Every experience is recorded just in case you (or really the government) might ever realize it was missed. Just in case it ever becomes interesting.
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Aug 15:29
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I record all my phone calls. It allows me to pretend not to forget all the names, dates, places and other important details we just talked about with the other person as soon as the call ends.
Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de
on 25 Aug 11:02
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Do you get consent before every recording?
blargh513@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Aug 13:45
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Tl;dr two over privileged teenage psychopaths stole a stupid idea from Meta/google that was hated by many and are going to make it worse by going all-in on the reasons people hate them.
Let’s get these guys some money!!!
Fuck these talentless twerps.
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Aug 14:46
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I mean they are a bunch of things but I wouldn’t call them talentless.
I would. They’re making an entirely unoriginal product with an entirely unoriginal sales pitch and, presumably, an unoriginal surveillance-based business model.
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Aug 15:05
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Is it really unoriginal? If it is patentable then it is as original as one can get in an already very developed technological market. I’m not saying I want this out there, but that doesn’t mean that what they are doing is wholly unoriginal, especially if no one has done it before.
The only difference between their concept and Alexa, for example, is that you wear it on your face and tether it to a phone. Oh, I guess it also has a display you can read. Massive innovation right there.
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Aug 15:15
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I think the facial recognition bit of it is what makes it novel.
Under your argument the smartphone was not an innovation, it’s just a computer you carry in your pocket. And actually computers are not an innovation they are just calculators that can make a lot more calculations at one time.
It’s kind of disingenuous.
blargh513@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Aug 20:25
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It is unoriginal because meta already did it! They directly referenced meta in their description.
UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world
on 24 Aug 15:15
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(I’m assuming that CA means California and not Canada)
dotslashme@infosec.pub
on 24 Aug 15:23
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Now would be the time for a scramble suit startup.
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world
on 24 Aug 15:54
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Yes, the problem I’m having is too much privacy from tech-bro douchebags, how did they know?
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Aug 18:49
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Slashdot comments hating hard on this, good!
Its absolutely fuckwittery to want this trash.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Aug 18:52
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Everything has already been invented. So we get this shit to invade our lives and ruin the last little bit of anything good.
FUCK CAPITALISM.
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org
on 25 Aug 09:53
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That’s not true, but this kind of devices has been subject to extensive thought experiments in science fiction and philosophy and found lacking actual use.
It’s like a watch implant. You need to know time, looking at tower clocks and wall clocks isn’t too convenient. Wrist watches and in general portable watches were a thing of beauty, but also quite useful for military commanders, sailors and pilots. But this progression doesn’t lead you to implanting a watch into your hand, so that you’d always have it.
Similarly, this progression doesn’t lead humanity to needing such devices, or honestly much of modern computing. It’s just a personal computer. Even smartphones are honestly a less than convenient form factor, approaching minimal usable size.
All this is just a way to spend resources in some other way than actually building a unified humanity with access to good medicine, education, connectivity, food, political and labor rights. That’s not even because those powerful people are evil, - I think it’s more because doing anything real with such implications can get you killed. Even a supposed rich psychopath isn’t usually evil, doing a good thing weighs about as much as doing a bad thing with the same amount of resources for them. We live in a time when those resources are actually present in the world, - 100 years ago this wasn’t yet true. Which makes improving anything for real a dangerous endeavor, because every such improvement destroys someone else’s base.
A bit like a capitalist version of late USSR’s deadlocks.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
on 24 Aug 19:15
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What else would you expect from a bunch of dropouts ?
MattTheProgrammer@lemmy.world
on 24 Aug 21:03
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My crowbar of justice is ready to be liberally applied
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world
on 24 Aug 22:15
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Oh, it will join that very successful startup that was doing a pin that did something similar. It had AI in the name, I bet it does great and the product is very successful
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Is there anything whatsoever a privacy-minded person can do about something like this, in terms of personal protection?
Depends on whether you live in the US or EU I guess.
I remember when Google glass came out. I was living in New York, and almost every single establishment banned them nearly immediately. You wouldn’t be allowed in if you were wearing them, and if anyone saw you put them on, you get kicked out. No questions.
This happened in a lot of places, as I recall.
That would be nice, but outside of major cities, I can’t see that happening.
I may just have to start wearing a hoodie and mask everywhere. I really, really don’t like the idea of these glasses.
Well, you are far from alone. I imagine that a majority of people will feel this way, especially when they are more privacy invasive than Google glass ever was.
Also, people are much more privacy focused than they were 15 years ago. I can imagine there will be significant pushback to wearing these glasses anywhere but in open, public spaces. Private establishments will likely ban them.
Google Glass purposefully made it obvious what they were. The newer glasses without cameras from Meta et al basically look like regular glasses if you can’t see the waveguide in the lenses.
If you know what you’re looking for, they’re not that difficult to spot. But, yeah, to most people, they would just appear to be regular sunglasses. This is a huge problem. It’s one thing when you’re being recorded by someone who is obviously holding a camera. It’s another one when, potentially, dozens of people around you could be recording everything all the time without anyone else, knowing it.
Not only is a potential for abuse incredibly high, the fact that Meta ends up owning all of the content so they can harvest it for monetary gain is even worse.
Wasnt there someone who hacked their google glasses and was getting everyone’s home addresses around him on facial recognition? I would think the risk would be fairly high to people who work with the public from these folks
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There’s a big social stigma against this. Every other version of this that has come out has failed due to the combination of expense and stigma. I suspect this is nothing to worry about.
Very few people are going to pay hundreds of dollars to be socially isolated. Kill the market, kill the device.
Maybe those hoodies that fuck with camera sensors so they can’t take photos of your face?
Yes an infrared hoodie at night to prevent cameras in night mode to catch your face or something like this to fuck with AI detection
Look into microphone jammers
The product sounds like just another shitty AI assistant but on your face. The problem might fix itself when only 5 idiots buy them.
Wait 'til they come out (if ever), figure out the tech, make/buy a detector, pull your club out ur backpack …
Let’s fight ai with ai! As in, opencv-driven turrets :)
Remember how cell phones spread, and even people in poor countries with limited infrastructure?
This will be the same or worse. No, you won’t be able to avoid being recorded by other people. This will change in the future, if it ever does, only when a large majority understand how the devices are being abused by power to control us and keep us enslaved. But, even upon that realization, if people find enough value in using the tech, they’ll put up with being enslaved if they’re still comfortable enough. It’s a balance, and power knows it. They’re working out the details as they go.
This is what’s coming. My suggestion is don’t have kids.
What is the value of recording everything?
To feed the data centers with yummy personal data. No dataset is to big, no picture of the side of someone’s arm is too pointless. We must consume all data
<img alt="" src="https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/400596ba-429b-47f8-a97e-d5cc7135325f.jpeg">
SUCH a great movie
Tremendous value in concentration of money and power in the hands of the superior few. Know your place, peasant.
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FOMO. Every experience is recorded just in case you (or really the government) might ever realize it was missed. Just in case it ever becomes interesting.
Like recording videos of fireworks
I record all my phone calls. It allows me to pretend not to forget all the names, dates, places and other important details we just talked about with the other person as soon as the call ends.
Do you get consent before every recording?
Tl;dr two over privileged teenage psychopaths stole a stupid idea from Meta/google that was hated by many and are going to make it worse by going all-in on the reasons people hate them.
Let’s get these guys some money!!!
Fuck these talentless twerps.
I mean they are a bunch of things but I wouldn’t call them talentless.
I would. They’re making an entirely unoriginal product with an entirely unoriginal sales pitch and, presumably, an unoriginal surveillance-based business model.
Is it really unoriginal? If it is patentable then it is as original as one can get in an already very developed technological market. I’m not saying I want this out there, but that doesn’t mean that what they are doing is wholly unoriginal, especially if no one has done it before.
The only difference between their concept and Alexa, for example, is that you wear it on your face and tether it to a phone. Oh, I guess it also has a display you can read. Massive innovation right there.
I think the facial recognition bit of it is what makes it novel.
Under your argument the smartphone was not an innovation, it’s just a computer you carry in your pocket. And actually computers are not an innovation they are just calculators that can make a lot more calculations at one time.
It’s kind of disingenuous.
It is unoriginal because meta already did it! They directly referenced meta in their description.
Illegal in the EU btw.
Yet another reason I should flee the US.
Illinois requires two party consent for recording in-person conversations at least.
That sounds nice. Seems like something my state (CA) might have?
Looks like it does, at least in “private spaces”
codes.findlaw.com/ca/…/pen-sect-632.html
(I’m assuming that CA means California and not Canada)
Now would be the time for a scramble suit startup.
Yes, the problem I’m having is too much privacy from tech-bro douchebags, how did they know?
Slashdot comments hating hard on this, good!
Its absolutely fuckwittery to want this trash.
Everything has already been invented. So we get this shit to invade our lives and ruin the last little bit of anything good.
FUCK CAPITALISM.
That’s not true, but this kind of devices has been subject to extensive thought experiments in science fiction and philosophy and found lacking actual use.
It’s like a watch implant. You need to know time, looking at tower clocks and wall clocks isn’t too convenient. Wrist watches and in general portable watches were a thing of beauty, but also quite useful for military commanders, sailors and pilots. But this progression doesn’t lead you to implanting a watch into your hand, so that you’d always have it.
Similarly, this progression doesn’t lead humanity to needing such devices, or honestly much of modern computing. It’s just a personal computer. Even smartphones are honestly a less than convenient form factor, approaching minimal usable size.
All this is just a way to spend resources in some other way than actually building a unified humanity with access to good medicine, education, connectivity, food, political and labor rights. That’s not even because those powerful people are evil, - I think it’s more because doing anything real with such implications can get you killed. Even a supposed rich psychopath isn’t usually evil, doing a good thing weighs about as much as doing a bad thing with the same amount of resources for them. We live in a time when those resources are actually present in the world, - 100 years ago this wasn’t yet true. Which makes improving anything for real a dangerous endeavor, because every such improvement destroys someone else’s base.
A bit like a capitalist version of late USSR’s deadlocks.
What else would you expect from a bunch of dropouts ?
My crowbar of justice is ready to be liberally applied
Being a dropout doesn’t make you special
Tell that to silicon valley, its a marketing bit now. Being “Too cool for school” is part of the tech startup playbook.
Won’t be leaving the house if everyone starts using them haha
Anybody can ‘launch’ a ‘startup’. Alway-on recording has been around since the 60s. ‘Smart’ glasses? Har. Guess they never heard of ‘glassholes’.
I’m starting to think a lot of these college people don’t even attempt to solve problems that face the working class.
They just come up with more bullshit for us to waste our money on.
“a lot of these college people” 🙄
Well… i personally am completely ready to go to jail for inflicting bodily harm on a person using something like that…
Oh, it will join that very successful startup that was doing a pin that did something similar. It had AI in the name, I bet it does great and the product is very successful