from ForgottenFlux@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 05 Feb 2025 19:06
https://lemmy.world/post/25172900
Early car sales data for January is starting to arrive from countries across the pond, and they paint an alarming picture for Tesla. Sales are crashing in France, Germany, and the UK—all affluent countries that are key markets for Tesla’s electric vehicles. Coming on the heels of a large financial miss, it’s just one more problem for the automaker.
Tesla sales dropped around 13 percent across Europe in 2024, but so far this year, the scale of the problem is far greater. In France, sales of new Teslas fell by 63 percent, while total car sales in the country fell by just 6 percent, with EV sales dropping just half a percent.
Germany was already looking like lost ground for Tesla—its 41 percent drop in 2024 accounted for most of Tesla’s lost sales across Europe. That must make the 59 percent drop in German Tesla sales recorded during January even more painful on the profit and loss statements.
Across the Channel, the British auto industry just released its sales data for January. Here, Tesla sales fell less precipitously—just 12 percent. However, battery EV sales were 35 percent higher in the UK in January 2025 than in January 2024. The cake is growing, but Tesla is getting to eat less and less of it.
In fact, no Tesla cracked the UK’s top 10 best-seller list last month, something that has regularly happened in the past, although that may be due to having just two models for >sale in most markets.
Large declines have also been recorded in Sweden (44 percent), Norway (38 percent), and the Netherlands (42 percent).
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Gimme cheap, simple and reliable EV with guaranteed 200km range and I’m sold. I don’t need bazillion of cameras inside and out, I don’t need glass roof, I don’t need 200kW of ridiculous power I would never use, I don’t need always online maps for a subscription fee and I don’t need 20" infotainment, neither I need 3 zone AC with ventilated seats and ballsack massage device, etc. I just want a Dacia of EV market.
So Dacia Spring?
Good news everyone!
Oh no!
If I was alone, this would be an option. With family, not so much. I’ve heard horrible stories, struggling to go uphill with 4 people on board, etc. And I live in a hilly area.
Microlino, Fiat panda grande, Renault 5, Citroën Ami and others. The smaller and more affordable versions are getting there.
Any of those in the US market?
I’ve only seen Rivians and Teslas in my parts.
Chevy Bolt, except it was discontinued so now nothing…
You’ve probably seen a lot more electric vehicles than you realize. Almost every big manufacturer has them in their lineups at this point, just most of them are looking more and more conventional.
Take a look at the Honda Prologue, the Toyota BZ4X, the Kia Niro EV6 or EV9, VW ID.4, Hyundai Ioniq line and Kona, Ford Mach E, Chevy Equinox EV or Blazer EV.
There’s also EV versions the F150, Chevy Silverado, and Hummer. Supposedly RAM will have an EV truck soon, too.
Granted there are fewer compact sizes than in European markets, but that’s true of all vehicles, regardless of powertrain
There’s a lot more, but they don’t stand out. Look at cars that don’t have a radiator and if course a tailpipe.
There’s a little blue Honda EV I see at work. Looks smart as.
Not a single one of them is available where I live. And once I checked them, they’re not really family cars I was hoping for.
Coincidentlaly, throwing all this junk out makes EV’s significantly lighter. And theoretically cheaper.
They kinda suffer from “the tyranny of the rocket equation” since so much of their mass is “fuel.” Make it lighter, and they need less battery for the same range, which means you need even less battery to carry that battery around, lighter motors, less chassis and suspension weight for that, which removes even more battery, and so on.
This is not the case with combustion cars, where much of the engine’s mass is fixed and gasoline takes up little weight.
The Aptera coming out follows this principle. It’s the only EV that’s light enough that the onboard solar panels contribute a significant boost in range.
Do you know where it’s at? It was supposed to come to US by 2022, and I’m wondering about Europe…
It’s was getting shown off at CES. Plenty of videos on youtube.
Europe would be a different beast regardless. It’s expensive to pay for safety testing in one place and those aren’t transferable. If you want one in Europe, you might be able to as a private importer maybe? There was one guy who tried that with a Cybertruck and got in trouble. I’m not a lawyer.
That’s what I was wondering, thank you! I’m not confident that it will come to Europe and I unfortunately cannot afford to buy a car that won’t be commonly supported by garages!
Fully solid-state batteries are just around the corner - some Chinese models already have a semi-solid-state battery, MG are releasing one this year, companies like Toyota and Honda are working on it too. The current use case is to extend range (600+ miles / 1000+ kms) but they could also be used to get similar range as today’s cars with a much lighter battery.
Solid state is just around the corner in the same way fusion is. Toyota announced in 2010 they’d have it in prod by 2015, then 2018, then 2020, then 2025 then…"real soon now™ "
The MG “may be a semi solid state”
electrek.co/…/new-semi-solid-state-battery-ev-lau…
Which is not quite the same thing.
BYD and CATL who have a good track record of delivery are suggesting 2030
TL;DR
Don’t wait for solid state, the current battery tech is more than adequate for the majority of people. Holding off for something “perfect” that may never arrive when “good enough” is here diesn’t seem logical to me
There’s already cars available today with semi solid state batteries: Some by Nio and one by IM.
The article I read about the MG was certain that it’d be solid state. Sorry for the incorrect info.
That’s true. The advancement in technology is why I’m leasing my EV (BMW iX) rather than buying it, though.
The fiat 500 e fits all that and it’s a delight to drive.
It’s a cool car, yes. Too small for me, but cool as fuck. Used ones are affordable, but it’s still 34k € new, which is not cheap at all.
Fair enough on the price. We got a used 2021 for a lot less than that and it’s the perfect car for us. It’s surprisingly spacious inside. This is coming from a 195cm overweight guy.
Do you drive it with family?
We’re only two so I understand we’re in a special situation. Kids would fit fine in the back, but with teenagers and adults it gets a bit tight.
Also, for some perspective, my normal driving position, the seat is somewhere in the middle of the movement range. Not all the way to the back.
Ballsack massage device you say…
I had the option but it drove me nuts
Dacia Spring. You’re welcome.
Well, I mean a car where I can fit with my wife, two kids, bag of groceries and still drive uphill…
I do that kind of trips with Spring. No problem. It has surprisingly big trunk for groceries and whatnot. If kids are above 3yo it’s all good.
Obviously it’s not a highway monster but for every day trips we usually take this one.
VW E-Up is cheap and really good
Just wondering, what qualifies as cheap for you?
Tusk should take a lesson from Volkswagen
You mean not be nazi?
Pretty tall order, can’t expect that in 2025.
Exactly
Not sure what you’re trying to say here. You realize VW was founded by Nazis?
Yeah, and after World War II, they nearly went out of business and took decades to recover the reputation.
Since I guess I have to spell it out: doing business with Nazis is bad for business.
They recovered their reputation?
Porsche family is a key shareholder in VW and they are straight up nazi nepo babies
Never forget!
I believe Hugo Boss supplied the SS suits too…
Tusk?
What does Tusk have to with this?
I assume that’s a nickname for “musk” and you did not mean the polish premier?
Biggest decline in my country is because lease companies don't like them in their fleet anymore; Musk has just randomly reduced prices in the past, making it difficult to estimate the remaining value at the end of the lease term. On the other hand business drivers used to have a generous tax exemption when driving an EV, which has been cut by our government. These drivers may now be better of driving an ICE. All in all this reduces the market share of Tesla drastically, since Tesla's are almost exclusively used as company lease cars.
Let’s get to 95% down in Q1 of 2025.
This sparks joy.
Or sparks fire, considering it’s Tesla
Honestly people would have to be basically mad to buy tesla now, same with twitter etc.
I sympathise with people who starlink is the only option but yeah I’d rather go without.
I recently bought a camper van and was planning on getting starlink so I can work from the road (not full time). I guess I’ll have to make sure I’m not off the beaten path on work days and stick to Hotspot.
Yeah sad thing is I can understand Starlink being the only option for some people, so yeah I wouldn’t blame you for using it.
This is the way. I wish more people would accept what is quite literally only minor inconvenience in the name of starving these insane companies. We honestly have it so good in most of modern society, and some things are just totally optional imo.
Thanks
I was not aware of this. Further reasons to laugh at Musk are always welcome!
Anyone driving anything close to a pickup here is a knob. Ford Rangers or Raptors are for men whos wives dress them.
Hilux was acceptable but they are in the same boat now, you all look ridiculous.
Pretty much true in the US too - especially a Raptor.
They have there place, but they are in the same boat as vans etc. They are commercial vehicles, to do a job, not city runabouts to stroke egos.
Yeah, get a van. The only people on site with these are lads with more money than work, mammy and daddy funded, or the developer who wouldnt see concrete dust land on it.
A van can’t deal with even remotely muddy grass. I lost count of how many vans I rescued, back when I had my pickup. They are also a lot less effective at dragging a horse trailer etc. Vans also (generally) don’t have back seats. If you’re also having to trek up and down the motorways, then the comfort of the ranger makes a big difference.
Our plant hire is delivered by a 20 year old mondeo. Van have more room for the work stuff and are plenty comfortable for motorway travel. Our off road vehicles are outlanders and vans are everything from mercedes to renault. Never had a problem that a pick up would have resolved.
The only acceptable vehicle is a range rover, and even then it has to have mud on it.
I’m a sole trader, Stone Mason, I make enough to buy a used vehicle, but not new. Know what I would love? A light duty truck, no crew cab road princess bullshit, two seats in front, maybe a single half door passenger side for putting stuff behind the seats, and a properly sized bed. There’s no such thing on the used market. There’s absolutely uses for small trucks for trades folk. Back in Canada I had an older Ford Ranger, from when they were a rebadged Mitsubishi B3200. I would step over my dying gran for something like that here in the UK. The new Rangers are a fucking joke, FWD, crew cab standard, and they’re the size of the old F-150s, completely unusable in the UK. I’m thinking about maybe importing a Japanese Kei Truck. There’s some larger ones that are smaller than an old Ranger, but big enough for what I need…and they look cool AF.
A family member’s a brickie. He ran an LDV Pilot for few years, until it died, and it was useful (piece of shit, but pretty reliable, and cheap to fix when it did break) while it lasted. But newer trucks and small vans aren’t nearly as suitable.
The Pilot was ugly as fuck, but from what I’ve heard they were basically indestructible to a certain point…then there was almost no reviving them. Been considering getting a decommissioned ambulance and changing my trading name to Dr. Stone…
Ambulance is basically set up for a mobile shop, 240 and 110, loads of drawers and cupboards, tie-down points and either a fold down ramp or a hydraulic tailgate. Ambulance services are always refreshing their fleet, they get worked hard, but there’s a maintenance standard so even with 180k miles on the Odo they’re typically not running poorly. Idk…maybe I’m talking myself into it, maybe it’s actually a good idea.
I used to have a proton jumbuck, really useful little pickup. But they’re hard to find in the UK and getting parts can be tricky.
Yeah, easy access to parts is pretty important.
…I had to look it up, it looks like one of the guys who worked on the design of the El Camino smooth talked someone in C-Suite that it was their own idea that releasing one that was modernised would sell super well. That might sound like I’m taking potshots, but I love the El Camino and I would buy a Jumbuck in a heartbeat.
Yeah, el Caminos look proper cool. TBH I thought my jumbuck looked pretty cool too. And it was really useful, at the time I was hauling a lot of wood and it drove just fine with a heavy load. I think it was maybe a 1.2 petrol engine iirc. They are pretty cheap if you can find them, I sold mine with 6 months MOT for about £500 . But yeah, parts are tricky, which isn’t great with a work vehicle
I had a Mazda Pricidia (MX-3) for a few years before I bought the Ranger. Thing was great. I had the rear seat pulled out and got a joiner pal build a custom wooden bed to put in. Did double duty, was enough to hold a week’s worth of veneer stone and thinset plus my tools. Built-in storage boxes under the top. And with the front seats folded all the way forward there was an extra piece I could drop in, and all of a sudden you’ve got enough space for a double size inflatable camping mattress. I miss that thing.
Yeah that sounds like a pretty decent solution. I know someone who did something similar to a Volvo estate. Bit crazy though that we’ve got to modify old vehicles to get a suitable work motor - seems like a gap in the market. VW made some sensible size pickups back in the 80s - but like the jumbuck they are old now. I hate to say it, but you might do better with a transit or sprinter. It’s enclosed space but you’ve got room for tools n stuff.
Yeah, too many people look at a truck and say to themselves: I think that’d do to take the kid to football practice and myself to the office!
They’re just not making trucks for working anymore, and I personally am pissed!
I suppose I really should think about getting a small/medium sized van… just irks me a bit. I guess growing up the only tradies using a van were painters, plasterers and glaziers. And folk with real jobs had trucks…🤣
Yeah I know what your saying, I’m thinking the last decent pickup truck was a Hilux around twenty years ago. I’ve never had one but I’ve had mates who did and who really reckoned em. I’ve driven one on a farm I worked on, it was old and not road legal but it was an amazing farm motor. But yeah, the new ones are too wide imo. Like you, I fuckin hate it when I’m trying to get back from work and it’s school run, all the parents picking up their kids in pristine, huge trucks that they don’t even know how to drive!
But yeah, if you just want functionality I’d say grit your teeth and get a transit. An swb transit will get anywhere in a city, plus you can put a workshop in back. You might wanna tail lift being a mason, I dunno. But lithium leisure batteries are getting crazy cheap at the mo, put a 500w solar panel on roof and regulator charging lithium battery and you’ll run a 2kw inverter no prob. You’d prob get all the bits for under £500 and then it’s just a bit of wiring. I have a similar setup myself, except I live in it
Uuuuuuugh… fuuuuuuuck. Guess I’ll have to eh?
Lol mate look I’m thinking you gotta go Hilux or transit. Yeah you can’t get everywhere on a transit especially if it’s muddy, but you can have a workshop in there. Like I say, throw some solar panels on the roof, a decent battery, inverter, you can have 2k of 240v easily. Also when it’s raining you can sit in it all have a cuppa. I know they are fuckin bland vehicles, but it is what you make it. 4wd transit might make you feel better about it? But I’ve only ever seen a couple
I’m feeling like buying a decommissioned ambulance would be about the same as getting a used transit, with all the electrics installed already, including batteries, and only need to do the inverter and panels. Almost no faffing about with installing storage, maybe just a flam vault and a lockbox for the really expensive stuff. Almost all of them have 1-3 seats already in the back, so seating for the crew is sorted. Most good condition ones I’ve seen are £5k at 110k-170k miles.
Yeah, good call. It’ll probably also have some basic insulation behind the walls too. Ex ambulances have often been ragged hard - but they’ve also been regularly serviced and looked after.
That was my reasoning too. Likely a used transit with the same mileage, not a fleet vehicle. Ambulance services run their vehicles hard, but they’re very well maintained. There’s a service standard that most fleets just don’t need to hit.
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It’s so cute!
Let’s see how big of a mouth you run when i pull up in my ranger plastered with punisher skulls you beta 😎😎 ~jkdon’tbullymepls~
Mate my wife dresses me but categorising me with them POS trucks is just too far.
Yeah man I didnt mean to do that, mine dresses me too…or rather she would do a better job of it anyway
Pickups have their uses in Europe as well. Where I live, it seems like most pest controllers (rat catchers, an easy to clean open trunk is probably very nice) and land surveyors prefer them over other vehicles. They all use smaller sensible size pickups from Japanese brands though.
I think I’ve spotted only 2 different modern USA oversized pickups in traffic. Both full black, never a speck of dirt on them, always tailgating someone. They are vastly outnumbered by the sensible pickups, but you just can’t miss spotting them in traffic.
I used to have a proton jumbuck, it was a really handy pickup and the same size as a regular car. But it’s hard to find parts for em in the UK. It’s a shame there aren’t many sensibly-sized pickups.
But yeah, I kind of think most people who have massive ones that only get used for school run and supermarket are knobs.
This metal blob goes against so many safety regulations in Europe, it is basically unfixable. And even then you would need a truckers licence to drive it, like the ones for big commercial trucks.
Yeah technically it’s a HGV, and you need an HGV license in order to be able to drive it.
Although apparently the other problem is that it has red indicators, because in the US they don’t have separate lights for brakes and indicators they just flash the brake light.
Most cars have yellow lights for indicators and red for brakes. Even for the US having red indicators is at least uncommon.
No it’s not. I see red turning indicators waaay more often than yellow ones.
You live somewhere with a lot of trucks? Most cars and suvs have separate ones, i don’t remember the last time I saw a red indicator other than on a semi. I see a lot of people not bother to indicate but the yellow or orange is there.
Montreal but also lived in Toronto for four years. It’s red blinkers everywhere, annoying as heck.
Not that many trucks, I guess. Are we talking about trucks only? I might be wrong then. Mostly crossover SUVs.
Can’t wait to hear soldiers killing people in Ramstein driving these.
Teslas are shitware. Only an oligarchy like
RussiaUS could produce absolute trash like that and still sell it because everyone has to play ball.“Europe and the UK” did they move the UK to another continent, or did they mean the EU?
So, I hate to be the breaker of bad news, but the UK has left the EU 🤷 Don’t shoot the messenger
EU ≠ Europe
Europe is a continent. The European Union is a group of countries in Europe, no longer including the UK.
Maps like this are the only way my feeble American brain can process complicated European things.
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Great Britain and the British Isles are geographical terms, not political ones. Sometimes publications will say Great Britain to mean England, Scotland, and Wales, but not Northern Ireland but they also don’t include things like the Isle of Man in that even though technically Great Britain does include the Isle of Man.
Unless the conversation is explicitly about geography, and land masses you should not use anything other than the United Kingdom.
Great Britain is the name of the big island that England, Wales and mainland Scotland sits on. The British Isles include Great Britain, the Isle of Man (and also Ireland, the Isle of Wight, the Hebrides, the Shetlands, the Isles of Scilly and (debatably) the Channel Islands.
You’re not the boss of me, bruv. The United Kingdom doesn’t encompass the Crown Dependencies (Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man) which have the same monarch as the UK but are (at least within certain limits) self-governing. So if I want to talk about them (and sometimes I do, my conversation occasionally involves tax shelters and motorcycle races), restricting myself to the UK won’t be sufficient to include them.
This post unfortunately leaves out the all important Council of Europe (not to be confused with the European Council). 😉
The EU one has camo painted seas, so I needed several seconds for my understanding of “what is where” kicked in. I wonder how they got this stupid idea
It’s probably a more accurate colour anyway. I’ve seen the channel, it is mostly just gray.
Ukraine is a candidate country, by the way. Since June 2022.
enlargement.ec.europa.eu/…/ukraine_en
While entirely correct, the Irish get very antsy about being included in the British Isles. It’s a “colonial relic” is probably the nicest version. So yes the map is correct from a British pov but not from an Irish one.
Read the comment. EU - maybe, but not the Europe,how do you leave a continent?
Give it a couple million years of plate tectonics.
Or maybe if everyone jumps up in the air at the same time.
The UK and Ireland are part of the same plate as Europe. Anyway 2 million isn’t even that much time for continental drift, If you traveled back in time to the Jurassic that wouldn’t be a significant difference between the layout of the continents then and the layouts of the continents now.
Yes but not the continent despite what certain people would like
Except for Jutland, the same could be said of the 400+ islands that make up Denmark. Yet Denmark is universally regarded as part of Europe, despite the main landmass/island pedantry.
The islands are still on the same plate, so they are still on the same continent.
You see there was this little thing called Brexit…
Oh right, is that when they moved to a different tectonic plate?
Yes.
Oh I see what you’re saying. Yeah, they probably should have said EU but it’s a little pedantic to pretend you didn’t know.
Welcome to the internet.
Tru dat.
The UK is technically on a few islands, one can use Gibraltar to argue, of course, and historically English crown did possess lots of land in Normandy, Anjou, Aquitaine and even Flanders, also that union with Hannover, but ahem.
Bunch of EU countries have land outside the mainland though
Most of their land you mean? EU yes, Europe has many definitions
You know exactly what was meant.
Turns out that siding against voters interested in human sustainability, and pro oil extortionist conservatives bent on climate and human destruction is not a good EV marketing strategy. I have an MBA… AMA
Also doing a nazi salute in front of thousands of people with full blown media coverage.
WWII might be a distant memory for Americans, but most of Europeans have been to historical sites of Jewish genocide.
I’m still friends with my ex, who’s American (as I am), but it’s far from a distant memory for her. 90% of her extended family on her mother’s side died in Auschwitz. Nearly as many on her father’s side were murdered too,
Unfortunately, for most Americans, WW2 is more of a call of duty plot.
It’s the war Tom Hanks won.
ADL supporting Musk’s salute, made US media/Zionist CNBC anyway ignore it. Germany doing the projection stunt on Tesla factory had more EU coverage. Social media, even reddit, is just starting to censor Musk anger now. Though, old people who casually think what mainstream media tells them, would go “media told us that ADL said he never did it, and they would never profit from anti semitism”
Doing a nazi salute while making the Mussolini face, no less!
I know it’s not cool to take the piss out of someone’s appearance - but the fucker really does look like some of his ancestors were potatoes.
Is the manbaby gonna sue every European for not buying his shitass cars now?
The TSLA crash going to be glorious, can’t wait.
The stock has been overinflated for years, it’s a grift detached from reality.
The stock market is now literally just a rigged casino where 90%+ of the stocks are owned by the rich.
Doing a from-heart-to-sun salute tends to hurt sales in UK and Germany, who woulda thought. The stereotype about French is that they don’t care and might even like it, but maybe this is also about build and design quality.
What stereotype?
White-flag secretly-fascist Vichy one
Ah, the historically inaccurate, war criminal powered (Bush), meme. I forgot it included also a taste for the Vichy regime.
Strange to mention that and ignore Germany, the country that, you know, back then and now, has always been way more on the right than France.
“Punish France, ignore Germany” is still the current policy.
Germany lost, so it won’t be funny for them.
You may want to read the text before commenting nonsense, the French are not pleased either.
| Sales are crashing in France, Germany, and the UK […] In France, sales of new Teslas fell by 63 percent
I don’t see what justify your attack, it seems unnecessary to attack people based on their nationality. Yes, we do have a far-right issue in France, but it’s pretty much the same as everywhere else in Europe and there is still a resisting left here, not all hope is lost. Also, regarding your comment below, the white flag stereotype for France comes from 2003, when the US and allies invaded and destroyed Irak, but for once France stood against the US imperialism.
___It’s a joke, it’s supposed to be grotesque. Grotesque is usually different from adequate to reality.
That’s first, second, my comment does incorporate the fact that the French are not pleased either. You may want to improve your skills of processing two-sentence comments.
Oops, this one is four sentences, I guess it’s going to hurt.
It actually comes (unfairly) from the French army mutinies of 1917 and (also unfairly) from France’s surrender to Hitler in 1940, in addition to their not joining in the fun in Iraq. All of which obscures a prior thousand-year history of kicking the shit out of people.
Thanks, I was not aware of that.
Yeah I’m glad the other guy replied with more details because my fuzzy memory was telling me that the French surrendering stereotype was around back in the 90s at least, but I was pretty young then and it was hard to remember.
I was just joking, but you forgot to say that this
can be made more specific, they were regularly kicking the shit out of Germans. Germans were the suffering side saying “thanks for punishing me, master” for most of those years. Not even counting, obviously, Normans kicking the shit out of English.
Yeah, fascism seems to be flourishing all over. I’ve never got the impression that France was any worse than anywhere else though.
You know it was the French revolution that popularised the guillotine as a means of dealing with wealthy elites?
But yeah I don’t see how Tesla is going to ever repair the damage to their image, unless they can kick musk out and that doesn’t seem likely.
Make a product line of electric guillotines? And dogfood with Musk.
Anyway, the French revolution is not considered a one-sided success.
Anyone still driving a Tesla needs a bit of verbal abuse.
I don’t know about abuse but I do judge people with Teslas purchased in the last 5 years. Before that the completion was lacking and it was less evident to most people that the CEO is a cunt, but now even if you ignore Elon, it’s just a crazy purchase when all the other manufacturers have caught up in electric and arguably produce better vehicles with less issues.
I’d be interested to see some market analysis that looks into the reasons for the sales declines. In particular, how much is driven by poor product quality versus how much is due to Musk being a knobhead.
Maybe they just like the car. Not everything has to be political. Especially if they get it 2nd hand, the depreciation is huge. So someone could get a nice Tesla for great money. Doesn’t mean they like Elon or support him.
Buying 2nd hand is greener and doesn’t support him.
It does though, their most profitable (as in profit margin) businesses areas are the subscription based services and charging.
www.energyandcapital.com/tesla-fsd/#%3A~%3Atext=T….
When the owner is that political, it becomes political though. “If 9 people sit at a table with one Nazi…” etc etc.
Sure, I’d judge someone if they bought a new one recently as well, but I think you’re being a bit unreasonable. Not everyone can afford to switch cars.
Tesla ownership is its own punishment.
May every business that brings this man profit tank until he learns some empathy.
Rich people don’t have human emotions.
Being rich literally turns you into a sociopath or psycopath.
Hoarding that much excess wealth induces mental disorders.
The only solution is to redistribute their wealth
I was wondering if epigenetics may speak to that, in some cases
For the rest of us. I'm curious if it addresses the sociopathic tendencies of the original wealth hoarder?
ETA: that was a quick search for that study and I certainly don't understand it well.
I don’t think taking away their money would instantly fix their sociopathic tendencies, but it would allow them to actually engage with real human society again and the community and experiences from that would help to build empathy again.
But the reason for stripping them of their wealth is that they’re dangerous, we don’t give nukes to violent schizophrenics.
This is being very vividly illustrated, irl.
I’m not going to sell a perfectly useable Model Y after a year just because the CEO is a cunt. But I’m going to tell everyone that he’s a cunt with 30 stickers plastered all over the useless rear window
Sell it to who, Ben? Fucking Aquaman?
Good choice, no point throwing it away if it was too late for you to realize, but it’s more powerful as a platform to disavow Musk and Tesla.
I remember headlines of people burning their Nikes when they learned the company was woke or something. Burn your car mate, that’ll show them for sure!
Fair point. I won’t judge Tesla drivers. I’ll judge Tesla drivers that don’t have a load of stickers on their car.
I’d judge Tesla drivers if they bought the car this year.
lol. Stupidly I didn’t consider that anyone would still buy one. New or secondhand.
Yeah, I mean who is their market now? Anyone who isn’t a nazi or ignorant isn’t going to want to be seen driving one. And I get the impression that right wing folks are more into fossil fuels.
Yup. I’d say they’re intentionally stupid.
To be fair, he has been a cunt for way longer than a year.
Well for obvious reasons. But also bcs their product is crap quality. My neighbour keeps on pouring grand after grand for stupid repairs into his model S
That can’t be, teslas never break and don’t need maintenance. Many people said it, smart people
Nearest repair center is 2 hours away
Well, I did Nazi that coming
Maybe Musk should sue them…
Get trump to tariff them. Or buy them, like Greenland!
Europeans don’t want to drive a Swasticar? Why? Did something happen to make them dislike Nazis for some reason?
Looks at my VW
*Erika intensifies*
At least the current vw CEO isn’t openly a Nazi and they make good cars; unlike muskrat and his swasticars.
I wouldn’t fuck with VW after their “eco-diesel” bullshit from a decade or two ago. But I would probably still prefer them to Tesla if they were the only two car companies.
I thought the Powerball and may even some solar stuff they were doing would suit our needs. The last few years quickly removed any such notion from my mind; not touching anything tied to that nazi manbaby
Having competition tends to do that 🤷
Elon Musk should have his wealth forcefully redistributed
Read that Tesla pushes December in Norway for padding end of year numbers, resulting in a stagnant January. I think that concutive stagnant months is what would indicate how sick we are with Musk
Their news cars are more expensive and more weird than the old ones, while the competition has been catching up, so it might be that, too…
Good.
NAZCAR.
Swasticar.
Tesla doesn’t deserve to tarnish the great inventor’s name. Elon more specifically. But who knows, possibly the company’s management team are all mini Elons. The workers they are not at fault.
At this point, they became homonyms. Nothing more.
Workers are desperate for a union if anything they’re the good guys too
Sure am glad all the car companies decided to use the Tesla charger as the standard. /s
It’s an open standard now, it doesn’t really matter that Tesla was the first. So it’s a good thing, kind of like iPhones switching to “Android charging cables”.
Elon gonna start sueing the EU for not buying his cars
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No one wants to drive a swasticar.
Quick Elon, sue every EU citizen for not buying your car!
As usual, in the end the workers will pay and the owner(s) will walk away slightly less incredibly wealthy.