Yeah round wheels are not a fuckin style choice. It’s so you can grab it anywhere in any situation. This steering wheel looks fuckin deadly

Ever seen what real life F1 car steering “wheels” look like?

The funny thing is that they put it on the S/X without changing absolutely anything else, then brought out the Cybertruck with steer-by-wire (where a yoke might actually make sense) and put a squircle on it.

They also don’t ship with the yoke by default anymore, the default is a regular round one and have been for a while.

I am a Knight Industries 2000 with a 1000 megabits of memory and a one nanosecond access time.

If your input/control has a physical button, that immediately needs independent wiring

No it doesn’t. It just needs a PCB and a microcontroller connected to a CANbus. And that’s what we’ve had for decades.

another BoM item to build the car

I don’t really understand this either. Like yes, it is, but if we’re taking that approach, why not remove the door panels? And the trunk liner? And that pesky center console? Oh what’s that, these are all valuable features of the car?

It’s great for Tesla, for one reason - modularity.

Not really as far as the touch controls on the steering wheel goes. The icons are static and can’t be changed, so their functionality is kind of tied to the icon.

As for configuring additional controls for them, it’s exactly the same as if they were physical buttons, it’s all a wiring harness going to the computer either way, what that computer does with the input signal is not any less configurable for a physical button. The limiting factor is the static icon, not whether it’s touch/tactile.

In regards to selling incomplete products, this is unfortunately not even limited to Tesla. All car manufacturers release several updates and bugfixes for new cars, they just can’t send them OTA, they need to get them in the shop. My colleague’s VW ID4 has been in the shop for no less than 3 SW updates to fix various bugs and add basic features such as battery preheating for DC charging, it fucking shipped without that!

Might as well get rid of the brake lights while they’re at it

It's like car features that have been around for 70+ years are the way they are for a reason.

People who actually know how to signal in a roundabout are a rare breed. Dunno how it’s in other countries but the German rules actually make sense: Don’t signal when entering. There’s exactly one way to go, so why would you. Don’t signal when driving around the roundabout as that’s straight ahead (even if it’s a circle). Do signal before the exit you want to take, this is for the benefit of people waiting to enter (or maybe those behind but only on 2-lane roundabouts). As a corollary: If you signal while you enter you’re pining straight for the first exit… but honestly avoid it too many people signal wrong so it’s better to not play fast+loose.

You wish but it’s not drive by wire. You steel to turn in multiple times in sharp angles. Of the ratio were to change relative to speed it would make sense but right now it’s just plain dumb.

I once accidentally dialed 911 from my steering wheel phone buttons while pulling a turn. Surprised the shit out of me and the dispatcher didn’t sound like this was the first call of the type. This is a fucking terrible idea.

Tbf you are supposed use the signal before turning wheel

What? You’d be hitting the turn signal when you’re going straight. Do you drive a BMW or something?

Not sure about the older teslas, but the cybertruck steering is way more sensitive, so you shouldn’t need to turn it more than 90°. And the buttons on the wheel are at least normal clicky buttons now, instead of touch sensitive areas. Which is less bad, but still pretty bad.

My old peugeot even has an extra stick behind the wheel for the radio control, and it’s the best UX ever invented.

If you buy a Tesla at this point, you deserve to be stuck with it.

Holy shit that’s worse than how the article put it

If this catch on, maybe 3rd party Bluetooth/USB stalk will be a thing.

They might get in trouble with EU laws if they do it here as well…

That doesn’t sound like it’ll be legal in a lot of countries.

retrofitting the stalks back in.

Tesla is going to sue you for 50000 :-)

Up for right and down for left. Yeah, that makes fuckin’ sense. Did they take their inspiration from the keyboard on the Apple 2GS?

It would have been smarter to zip tie the turn signal switch assembly from a 1980’s motorcycle onto the steering wheel. At least on a motorcycle switch left means left and right means right (and center is cancel).

The menu controls on the screen are snappy and load as quickly as you’d expect from a regular phone/tablet. Miles ahead of all other manufacturer’s which indeed always seems to be slow as hell.

Web browser and Netflix/Disney+ are still fucking ridiculously slow on the “older” though. It’s been significantly improved with the new hardware in the model s/x and 3 highland refresh, but still not good enough IMO.

No no, the steering wheel will be in the touch screen.

The Fediverse does not represent the real world. There is big anti-corporate and anti-Elon bias here. Most people just don't give a shit.

Tesla was all like “hold my beer” to the BMW club.

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Words matter not if understand you.

Imagine being this condescending about grammar on an international forum.

Imagine crying like this because someone’s phone autocorrected.

No, I’m actually interested to know. Are most Tesla owners activate self driving during their daily commute? Tesla doesn’t sell their vehicle here so the only times I actually see a Tesla are in car shows.

They say it’s beta but beta would imply that it’s at least somewhat close to ready, which it clearly isn’t even after being in “beta” for a long ass time.

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About 1 in 5, though recent changes to price and the widening of the full self driving beta will have changed that since the stats were released in 2022

If FSD was truly autonomous, or an excellent level 2 system?

Truly autonomous, at 12k, it would have unlimited demand. Production would be the only restraint.

Edit: Tesla might even prioritize sales with FSD or only make FSD cars at that point and rake in the profits.

It regularly kills people

Could you link an article saying so? I couldn’t find anything with a quick google search about people being killed by Tesla FSD

Edit to add: this fairly recent article insideevs.com/…/tesla-full-self-driving-beta-cras… says they’re pretty safe.

Be wary of cherry picked data.

The average human driver has a car that’s five years older than the oldest model 3. This means five years more age on various safety equipment, five years more primitive collision avoidance systems, cars without stability control, etc.

The autopilot system only engages in ideal circumstances. Poor visibility, poorly marked road, bad weather, all scenarios that are high risk that autopilot wont touch that also cause a lot of human accidents.

I enjoy driving stick, but stick will likely not last forever. We will not be able to burn fossil fuels for that much longer in the grand scheme of things. Electric vehicles usually have a single speed transmission, so there are literally no gears to change. Perhaps there may be an alternative fuel vehicle that still has multiple speed transmission, in which case stick could still exist, though how many car manufacturers would make them?

Where I have driven the chargers are always in the furthest corner of the carpark

Get a used leaf and park there.

Why else would you buy a rwd car

Coming out of a 30 zone onto a roundabout, then 50 from then on, but by the time I realize I forgot to disable the 30 limit it’s already too late. It’s merely an annoyance, but I can’t imagine the same scenario with the indicators in the same spot.

i am not sure they even kept the cost down since they had to reintroduce the option of normal steering wheels, this just another case of Musk thinking it looks cool so it should be, but then done poorly because they don’t have the engineering expertise to do it properly like lexus did it

This is just another case of Cybertruck shit.

Well, in a roundabout how else are the other drives gonna know you turn right?

Not even sure why an article was needed. No shit they’re going to want cars with standard controls for driving schools.

That makes a lot more sense.

I made a similar decision in that my teen is not allowed to use my Tesla while learning to drive. Regardless if the turn signal controversy, Tesla controls are different. It’s easy enough for an experienced driver to pick up but I’m concerned about the opposite. If a new driver is used to everything happening automatically, they won’t have good habits for driving more typical vehicles.

But there shouldn’t be outrage: I expected to use the same logic to make them learn on a manual transmission. However those were always rare in US, modern CVT, paddle annd other electronic automatics make them less useful, and of course EVs have no need for a transmission.

My kids’ driving school has cars without a backup cam. I don’t know if that’s intentional or just older cars, but I believe it’s a better choice to learn how to drive without that assistance

In the article it says they replaced it with force touch buttons but the driving instructors all found the buttons to be disorientating and dangerous on roundabouts whilst trying to turn the wheel. The stalk makes for a mich more fluid and less distracting method.

Tesla believe that no turn signals will be needed once they perfect self deiving cars (likely never…)

It has little buttons on the wheel for left or right instead of a stalk. Problem is when you’re going through a roundabout you’re twirling the wheel around so it is almost impossible to to know where the buttons are at any given point in time. A stalk stays put, the buttons are anywhere depending on where the wheel is at. I think this video demonstrates it most clearly - www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBFxbKTEWu8

That’s just too late to signal…

What the fuck is the point of an indicator after you’d already started the action. That light ain’t indicating any more about the driver than the fact that they bought a Tesla after 2022, and that tells you everything you need to know about them.

Give it another few years and I think all Teslas will use the new steer by wire in the CT and the problem will go away anyway.

Edit: maybe few is generous, whenever the next major refreshes happen after a few years.

Since the yoke forces you to keep your hands on the same place relative to the button, presuming you’re keeping your hands on the wheel

Hahaha yeah that’s right! Jump master.

In my state you take the driving test at the DMV using your own vehicle.

Lol, in my part of America instructors are like, “I don’t know who you are, but I trust you enough to not kill us both”

You take the exam on cars provided by either the examiner or your driving school.

The second option usually happens only if you wanna get an automatic-only car driving license (B78), like me. I had to pay my instructor for renting me his car for the exam’s duration – standard practice, especially since it was his “daily” after working hours.

If you’re super lucky you get to take it on the car you used the most while learning

If you want to get the full driving license (B) and have no disabilities, you learn on a driving school’s manual and take an exam on an examination center’s manual. They’re separate entities, so you never get the same physical car. At least the model should be the same – driving schools usually match their fleet with whichever model local examination center picked. E.g. in Warsaw it’s Hyundai i20, so most (if not all) schools teach on Hyundai i20.

depends how cars get allocated

Like I’ve said before, examination center’s cars are never used for teaching. That’s driving school’s job.

I assume the GPU is intended to be used by the autopilot AI?

… What?

With what OS?

I thought that was cloud streaming.

I live in the UK, I’ve only ever driven manuals. I know one or two people with automatics, wouldn’t fancy having one myself though. I feel like the manual shift gives me more control.

Yes Europe is mostly manual. You pay a heavy premium to get a car with automatic transmission. Anecdotally, I bought a Skoda ~5 years ago and had to pay ~20% more for automatic transmission than manual.

Manuel transmission used to be the norm. The last couple of times I rented a car/got a loaner at the mechanic, I was asked if an automatic would be OK. I have met people who avoid automatics altogether. Probably because they’re unsure of how to drive them. TBF the first time I test drove an automatic, the first stop I made, I was glad to be wearing my seat belt, as I was used to use left foot, push that pedal hard and then brake… My wife and I were almost climbing down from the dashboard after that.

When I said earlier that manuels used to be the norm, that’s because of the emergence of EVs and PHEVs. Our EV was our first car with no clutch.

Sooo after writing that boring drivel above, I decided to look it up on the most used second hand car platform. Turns out the about half the cars registered as pure ICEs are automatics. But then sampling the search results it’s evident that a lot of the cars on the first page, have been registered wrong, and are in fact hybrids. So I don’t have a solid figure. I’ve loitered the sales floor of my mechanic for 30mins, while my car is in for diagnosics. Looks like about 3 out of last 20 or so ICEs I’ve looked at are automatics.

Had a quick look at used cars here.

ooyyo.com/…/c=CDA31D7114D3854F111BFB6FAA651453/

Seems very much dependent on which country you’re in. France seems 50/50, Germany a lot more Automatic, Belgium prefers manual. Been to Iceland a few times and that is mostly automatic. The UK is mostly manual.

I was even told that my insurance would be lower because manuals were harder to steal because so few people can drive’m.

I’m an American living in Denmark. Everyone here knows how to drive them even if their current car is automatic. They are becoming more popular, though.

At least in my country and in the middle of the EU, manuals are still more popular than automatic ones. Usually because no one really wants an electric cars (due to lack of infrastructure and high price), people just get the basic petrol cars with manual transmissions.

I think that is what I said.

But on exiting we will have to indicate left. so if I’m taking the 3rd exit, I am indicating right, until just before I get to it, where I then change to left indicate to say I’m exiting. Even if you are going straight (so not indicating) you are still require to indicate left when about to exit.

Its less meaningful on a 3 or 4 road roundabout, but when the roundabout has 5 or more roads, or maybe even a double roundabout (There is one here, and its an accident hotspot!!) then indicating your leaving is very important.

Pretty sure that this road rule in a national rule, not per state. But I know that some places do not enforce the exit indication.

Yeah if a roundabout is small - single lane, 2-3 exits, 10m or less in diameter - you can get away with doing this (indicating your final direction).

Once they get bigger - bigger diameter, multiple lanes, more exits - its safer to indicate your intention to enter and exit the roundabout.