from Delta_V@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 29 Sep 17:23
https://lemmy.world/post/36650786
…In Geekbench 6.5 single-core, the X2 Elite Extreme posts a score of 4,080, edging out Apple’s M4 (3,872) and leaving AMD’s Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 (2,881) and Intel’s Core Ultra 9 288V (2,919) far behind…
…The multi-core story is even more dramatic. With a Geekbench 6.5 multi-core score of 23,491, the X2 Elite Extreme nearly doubles the Intel Core Ultra 9 185H (11,386) and comfortably outpaces Apple’s M4 (15,146) and AMD’s Ryzen AI 9 370 (15,443)…
…This isn’t just a speed play — Qualcomm is betting that its ARM-based design can deliver desktop-class performance at mobile-class power draw, enabling thin, fanless designs or ultra-light laptops with battery life measured in days, not hours.
One of the more intriguing aspects of the Snapdragon X2 Elite Extreme is its memory‑in‑package design, a departure from the off‑package RAM used in other X2 Elite variants. Qualcomm is using a System‑in‑Package (SiP) approach here, integrating the RAM directly alongside the CPU, GPU, and NPU on the same substrate.
This proximity slashes latency and boosts bandwidth — up to 228 GB/s compared to 152 GB/s on the off‑package models — while also enabling a unified memory architecture similar in concept to Apple’s M‑series chips, where CPU and GPU share the same pool for faster, more efficient data access…
… the company notes the “first half” of 2026 for the new Snapdragon X2 Elite and Snapdragon X2 Elite Extreme…
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I’m going to call semi-bullshit here, or there is a major revisionist version or catch. If this were true, they’d be STUPID to not be working fast as hell to get full, unlocked Linux support upstreamed and start selling this as a datacenter competitor to what Amazon, Microsoft, and Amazon are offering, because it would be an entirely new class of performance. It could also dig into Nvidia and AMDs datacenter sales at scale if this efficient.
They put desktop cooling on the testbench apparently.
They’re also comparing to only the base M4 chip, not the Pro.
Also the M5 could still come out this year. But it also might not so it’s still a fair comparison till then.
Anyway if you’re looking for a Windows laptop specifically and don’t need anything that doesn’t run on ARM, it might be pretty damn good. I’d still wait for independent benchmarks.
Qualcomm is pretty dumb. Even if this were true, they’d still be leaving Linux support to the community.
Let me know when these X elite chips have full Linux compatibility and then I’ll be interested. Until then, I’ll stick with Mac, it has the better hardware.
Friendly Question: has M4 full linux support?
No, neither does M3. You can read more about this project here: asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/m4/ Even M2 and M1 support is still being worked on.
Not who you asked, but at bare minimum macOS continues to be certified UNIX.
GNU is Not Unix.
Absolutely ture, your comment being? I think they were simply referencing the fact that there is a lot more software out there that can be made to semi easily run on linux/unix based systems.
Also while Linux is not the same as UNIX, interacting with them is much more similar than, say, interacting with Windows. They use a lot of the same conventions and managing macOS can be a lot like managing Linux if you want it to be.
As long as you don’t try to use sed or grep. Literally the only reason I learned perl was because of the flag incompatibilities between macos Unix and Linux utils.
Yeah true, but if you use macOS expecting Linux that doesn’t make any sense. Then it’d just be Linux with a different DE lol. Hopefully doesn’t come across as snarky but pointing these differences out always seems rather pointless to me, they do exist but I mean yeah it’s not the same os.
Yeah I guess, but it’s still annoying to have identically named tools that do the same job but aren’t compatible. Or, like,
base64 -don macos can gobble the last char of output. So then you have to homebrew coreutils or something, but it just means that stuff that you feel should work compatibly out-of-the-box doesn’t, and writing *nix scripts without perl is just a pita.I forget what my point here is.
If you use only GUI, the underlying system philosophy is practically irrelevant.
If you use CLI, you can literally use the same distribution within WSL as you use on a Linux computer. I like using openSUSE’s zypper in WSL more than I like brew on macOS.
Yeah brew sucks ass
Man… I knew this answer would come. 😀
I think I see what you’re saying. My gripe is that if I want a laptop/tablet with a great ARM chip, with long battery life, my options all force me to use one of two operating systems that I’d prefer not to use for ideological reasons. If I’m forced to use one, because I want an ARM device, I might as well use the one that has the best hardware. M5s are right around the corner and the MacBook Airs are really competitive.
If I misinterpreted your question, then no, as far as I’m aware, none of the M series has FULL support. The M1s and M2s are pretty close though.
M1 still doesn’t have full Linux support, unfortunately. They’ve done a lot of good work, but it isn’t there yet. Yet, another reason not to buy snapdragon PCs yet.
LOL.
Keep in mind the original X Elite benchmarks were never replicated in real world devices (not even close).
They used a desktop style device (with intense cooling that is not possible with laptops) and “developed solely for benchmarking” version of Linux (to this day X Elite runs like shit in Linux).
This is almost certainly a premeditated attempt at “legal false advertising”.
Mark my words, you’ll never see 4,000 points in GB6 ST on any real products.
They also used the base M4, not M4 Pro or Max
Seems like they’re also using two different Intel chips in their testing for some reason.
I’ll take cherrypicking for $500, Alex
M4 Max doesn’t have the fastest single core in Apple’s arsenal either, the king is A19 now (yup, the one in iPhones):
tomshardware.com/…/apples-a19-becomes-the-fastest…
lol that’s just the cherry on the whole apple pie.
Now this all makes sense
I saw someone liquid cool an Arduino to push it to the max, but you couldn't declare it to be a regular benchmark...
Ah. Thanks for the context.
Well, after they have product out, third parties will benchmark them, and we’ll see how they actually stack up.
I imagine things would be much closer if they put a giant heatsink that Ryzen 370 they’re comparing and ran it at its 54W configurable TDP instead of the default 28W.
Shouldn’t they also be comparing it to Strix Halo instead?
This made my bullshit detector go haywire.
This will be super cool when we actually have OSs that can run on them!
I highly doubt this is accurate. Be nice, but doubt it.
Windows 11 will turn this into a 486.
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Yeah I’ll wait for independent benchmarks, thanks.
With actual devices
How’s the GPU drivers though? Especially to me for Linux. These should be used in PC gaming handhelds but Qualcomm support is mediocre
If it’s anything like their windows driver support then also awful. Maybe things have improved in the last year or so, but has Qualcomm ever put real effort into making ARM Windows laptops good?
linux on arm is not mature. on windows, typically emulation of x86 is used. They’ll need to also support all of the gpu libraries for gaming.
Desktop linux on arm*. The kernel itself has been running on embedded arm deviced for 25 years and on a large portion of phones for 15.
The question was about GPU drivers, and GPU drivers for ARM-based SoCs aren’t even mature on Android. They are going to suck on Linux.
Compared to the drivers for Mali, Adreno and consorts, Nvidia is a bunch of saints, and we know how much Nvidia drivers suck under Linux.
Asahi linux is perhaps only distro that is trying to support “desktop arm”. Not just gpu, but it does not post for M3/M4 arm chips. Qualcom does not have an OS protection racket, and so could be more helpful to the project, but phone support (limited/tailored to each chip generation it seems) doesn’t seem to mean all future arm automagically supported.
There are quite a few more. For example Debian, Ubuntu, Manjaro, Arch, Fedora, Alpine and Kali also have ARM ports (and probably many others too). Raspberry OS is purpose-built for ARM Desktop. There’s others too.
Asahi isn’t specifically an ARM Linux, but an Apple Silicon Linux.
Apple Silicon is ARM, but it’s also its own semi-custom thing that’s not directly compatible with other ARM stuff.
That’s the main issue with supporting ARM: You don’t have one platform like x86/x64.
On x86/x64 there’s an abstraction between the machine code language and the microcode that’s actually executed in the CPU. There’s a microcode translation layer in the CPU that translates one to the other, so x86/x64 chip designers have a lot of freedom when designing their actual CPU. The downside being that the translation layer consumes a little bit of performance.
There’s also the UEFI system and a ton of other things that keep the platform stable and standardized, so that you can run essentially the same software on a 15yo Intel CPU and a modern AMD.
ARM is much more diverse. Some run Devicetree, some don’t. There are also multiple different ARM architectures, and since they are customizable, there’s just so much variety.
thank you for correction. Do any linux distributions support qualcomm’s first (last gen) “elite win/chorme books?”
I don’t have personal experience with that, but according to google (www.linaro.org/blog/linux-on-snapdragon-x-elite) it is at least a thing.
Wouldn’t expect it to be great though.
Not. The answer is not.
Oh no, each new chip is going to be tree at something than another chip and vice versa. Anyways, what did people have for lunch?
That doesn’t sound very high end, I think I’ll wait for the Pro version, preferably Pro Plus.
BadDragon X2 Elite Extreme MAGNUM
The Rare version?
The Raw Rare version ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
That one will go hard
It sounds like an advertisement for a condom or dildo
faints on floor
Sounds like it focuses more on shiny RGB than performance.
The ultra absorbent one is the one to get
Can’t wait for Linux to support it and Tuxedo creating a laptop with it.
Nothing to see here, folks.
In my experience, arm64 is nowhere close to x64 with heavy multi processing/threading loads.
*X Elite opens browser windows faster under desktop cooling.
FTFY
I am simple person. I see geekbench, I ignore claims and rest of article.
When the Snapdragon GPU performance is on par with AMD’s 780m or above then we can talk.
And here I am with my cheap old quad core doing my stuff.
Except for the theoretical interest, what are we supposed to do with stuff like that? Is it just more data centers? Does I sound like 640KB is enough?
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Ah, a not at all theoretical example but a real life one 😁 /s
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Then Apple releases M5.
The X1 Elite never lived up to its geekbench scores, and the drivers are absolute dogshit.
The X2 Elite wont match Apple or AMD in real world scenarios either, I’d wager.
X2 “Elite Extreme” probably in ideal conditions vs. the base M4 chip in a real-world device. Sure, nice single core results but Apple will likely counter with the M5 (the A19 Pro already reaches around 4,000 and the M chips can probably clock a bit higher). And the M4 Pro and Max already score as high or higher in multi-core. Real world in a 14 inch laptop.
It doesn’t “crush” the M4 series at all and we’ll see how it’ll perform in a comparable power/thermal envelope.
I don’t hate what Qualcomm is doing here, but these chips only work properly under Windows and the Windows app ecosystem still hasn’t embraced ARM all that much, and from what I’ve heard Windows’ x64 to ARM translation layer is not as good as Rosetta 2. Linux support is pretty horrible, especially at launch.