snekerpimp@lemmy.world
on 12 Oct 2023 02:05
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Wow, I knew holding onto that thing would pay off
olympicyes@lemmy.world
on 12 Oct 2023 02:34
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I had one of these. I sold it 10 years ago for about double what they cost new when I bought it. For a period of time they couldn’t give these things away and I’m fairly certain I bought mine open box at MicroCenter.
snekerpimp@lemmy.world
on 12 Oct 2023 09:24
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Funny thing is, I still use it with my Cinema Display, which all works just handy dandy, just one dead pixel.
iyaerP@lemmy.world
on 12 Oct 2023 02:40
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What’s that, the company infamous for being restrictive as hell in regards to usability, interoperability, repair, and even infamously went to court to defend their right to throttle their consumer’s hardware capabilities to force them to upgrade isn’t supporting their legacy hardware?
What.
A.
Fucking.
Surprise.
olympicyes@lemmy.world
on 12 Oct 2023 03:06
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Apple never sold this dongle. Belkin did. The video card typically has two connectors and this allows you to use a second standard monitor, which was not common at the time.
SinningStromgald@lemmy.world
on 12 Oct 2023 03:32
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ADC is an Apple proprietary connector and Apple did sell the dongles for $149 & $99 back when.
Squeak@lemmy.world
on 12 Oct 2023 03:34
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But it’s made by Belkin
olympicyes@lemmy.world
on 12 Oct 2023 04:36
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I’m fairly certain that Apple’s dongles connect an ADC monitor to a DVI video card. The Belkin connector does the opposite. I’m not positive Apple didn’t make a similar Adapter but i know I paid more like $30 for the Belkin adapter I bought for a PowerMac G4 tower.
MossyFeathers@pawb.social
on 12 Oct 2023 03:23
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Fyi, this case is a bit different than other Apple issues. For one thing, the ADC port the adapter is for apparently only showed up on the G4/G5 Power Mac and G4 Cube. Secondly, the ADC connector is, on paper, superior to DVI as it can not only carry video (both digital and analog, which normally require different DVI ports), but also audio, USB and power. In reality it didn’t work so well because the couldn’t carry enough power to run a CRT or even the higher-ens cinema displays. This lead to Apple realizing they screwed up and discontinued it in support of an unbundled cable.
MisterD@lemmy.ca
on 12 Oct 2023 02:47
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All the second hand stores should have a picture of this
squiblet@kbin.social
on 12 Oct 2023 02:49
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Fuck, time to go through my old cable bin…
TimeSquirrel@kbin.social
on 12 Oct 2023 03:19
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Belkin, which has the capability to end this problem once and for all and to become a hero to tens of people, did not respond to a request for comment from 404 Media.
That was funny.
IHeartBadCode@kbin.social
on 12 Oct 2023 03:52
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If you cannot find a header you can snip off a DVI-M1 header and with a Dremel or a small hammer "coax" the shield around the pins to agree with the mating end of an ADC. At least that's going to be "good enough". You can also do stabbing with 20 AWG and then epoxy pour, solder DVI stabs, and then pour again to make a "good enough" cable.
The thing is this cable itself is passive. There's not special circuits, power, or anything inside the cable. In general, ADC is just DVI + USB + Power for your monitor, that's it. It's just those wires all bundled up into a single cable. And technically speaking, if you're handy with desoldering, you can take a Cinema Display and do a breakout to DVI, USB, and a barrel plug and just ignore the bake your own cable. Or if you're going to a modern monitor from an old Mac, you don't need to bring power and USB with you, you just need to break out the DVI that's coming out of the video card.
The thing is, getting into vintage computing is a challenge. And likely these folks are hitting a new challenge to them, that for folks who've been doing this for a while have just come to embrace. Learning to solder, learning digital electronics, and lots of patience. Specifically to this group, it looks like they need a solution to the G4 Cube. There's multiple video cards out there that will fit into the machine, the Apple Radeon 7500 is one that would provide VGA ports that can go to modern monitors.
But I think what gets me is this part of their petition.
The ability to service and maintain our technology not only extends its lifespan but also reduces electronic waste. By enabling vintage Apple Macs to connect with modern monitors through the Belkin F2E9142-WHT ADC to DVI cable, we can prevent unnecessary disposal of these iconic machines.
Getting into vintage computing or arcade boxes or whatever, yeah "the ability to service and maintain" is paramount. But the onus is on us, the people doing the collecting, to service and maintain. I get that the Belkin cable provides a nice easy solution but ultimately, not to sound corny, we do these things not because they are easy but because they are hard to do.
And also, as I mentioned, this cable is passive so it's fairly easy compared to say the Nintendo GameCube's Component Video cable that had an active circuit inside the cable that took a lot of effort to eventually reverse engineer. But the point being is that vintage digital collecting is a very rough thing to get into, it takes a lot of love and really getting that enjoyment out of very complex challenges. It's one of those "I love it, but I don't recommend it" kind of things.
EDIT: Also I think this part of the article hits best.
As always, you should also consider the fact that Apple has made many proprietary connectors in its day, some of which are easier to find than others. There's lots of iPhone Lightning Adapters out there these days, but who knows where we'll be in 30 years.
Yeah, this is why open standards and the right to repair is really important. And one of the main things about FOSS and the open source community is this really important thing to remember:
Everyday, more of your life and technology will intersect. We are living in an age where Internet access and technology to access it is as crucial as having a mailbox for mail to get to. Proprietary solutions, closed standards, and planned obsolescence are modern ways to gatekeep your ability to freely access this new modern society. We are getting closer everyday where this technology dictates if you can or cannot participate in society. It is vital to have as the bedrock of this technology, the principal of free access to all, so that everyone can freely participate in this society we are growing into.
paddirn@lemmy.world
on 12 Oct 2023 06:00
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$250 seems like a normal price for Apple peripherals.
agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 12 Oct 2023 16:35
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Yeah you’re buying not only an apple preheprial but a defacto limited edition, vintage one. No ones gonna charge you less for that once they figure out how to market it.
quiescentcurrent@discuss.tchncs.de
on 12 Oct 2023 08:04
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I could design and produce a small batch of those adaptors.
Would anyone be interested in getting a prototype and helping to test it?
datelmd5sum@lemmy.world
on 12 Oct 2023 08:07
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Both Linux and Apple users make the choice to shoot themselves in the foot, but only the other group constantly whines how much their foot hurts.
AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip
on 12 Oct 2023 10:51
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You do know that one of them is an operating system basically a bunch of zeros and ones and the other one is a company? Just to shit on linux you put it into a totally unrelated sentence.
datelmd5sum@lemmy.world
on 12 Oct 2023 14:20
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I’m a linux user myself. I tried to shit on Apple, but I guess I somehow missed?
sorghum@sh.itjust.works
on 12 Oct 2023 16:36
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Congratulations, you just shit yourself
danque@lemmy.world
on 12 Oct 2023 11:44
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A big problem with this is that if someone is goodwilled and sells their own adapter on eBay for cheap. Someone else would buy it to sell it at the 250,- price for profit.
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world
on 12 Oct 2023 19:43
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Wait, you’re saying I can resell my old adp to dvi connectors for up to $250?
Someone’s about to make an easy grand…
Hey, what’ll ya give me for some FireWire cables? Ooh, I got an old pre USB keyboard and mouse too!
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Wow, I knew holding onto that thing would pay off
I had one of these. I sold it 10 years ago for about double what they cost new when I bought it. For a period of time they couldn’t give these things away and I’m fairly certain I bought mine open box at MicroCenter.
Funny thing is, I still use it with my Cinema Display, which all works just handy dandy, just one dead pixel.
What’s that, the company infamous for being restrictive as hell in regards to usability, interoperability, repair, and even infamously went to court to defend their right to throttle their consumer’s hardware capabilities to force them to upgrade isn’t supporting their legacy hardware?
What.
A.
Fucking.
Surprise.
Apple never sold this dongle. Belkin did. The video card typically has two connectors and this allows you to use a second standard monitor, which was not common at the time.
ADC is an Apple proprietary connector and Apple did sell the dongles for $149 & $99 back when.
But it’s made by Belkin
I’m fairly certain that Apple’s dongles connect an ADC monitor to a DVI video card. The Belkin connector does the opposite. I’m not positive Apple didn’t make a similar Adapter but i know I paid more like $30 for the Belkin adapter I bought for a PowerMac G4 tower.
Fyi, this case is a bit different than other Apple issues. For one thing, the ADC port the adapter is for apparently only showed up on the G4/G5 Power Mac and G4 Cube. Secondly, the ADC connector is, on paper, superior to DVI as it can not only carry video (both digital and analog, which normally require different DVI ports), but also audio, USB and power. In reality it didn’t work so well because the couldn’t carry enough power to run a CRT or even the higher-ens cinema displays. This lead to Apple realizing they screwed up and discontinued it in support of an unbundled cable.
All the second hand stores should have a picture of this
Fuck, time to go through my old cable bin…
That was funny.
You can literally build one. Here's a guide on doing it.
If you cannot find a header you can snip off a DVI-M1 header and with a Dremel or a small hammer "coax" the shield around the pins to agree with the mating end of an ADC. At least that's going to be "good enough". You can also do stabbing with 20 AWG and then epoxy pour, solder DVI stabs, and then pour again to make a "good enough" cable.
The thing is this cable itself is passive. There's not special circuits, power, or anything inside the cable. In general, ADC is just DVI + USB + Power for your monitor, that's it. It's just those wires all bundled up into a single cable. And technically speaking, if you're handy with desoldering, you can take a Cinema Display and do a breakout to DVI, USB, and a barrel plug and just ignore the bake your own cable. Or if you're going to a modern monitor from an old Mac, you don't need to bring power and USB with you, you just need to break out the DVI that's coming out of the video card.
The thing is, getting into vintage computing is a challenge. And likely these folks are hitting a new challenge to them, that for folks who've been doing this for a while have just come to embrace. Learning to solder, learning digital electronics, and lots of patience. Specifically to this group, it looks like they need a solution to the G4 Cube. There's multiple video cards out there that will fit into the machine, the Apple Radeon 7500 is one that would provide VGA ports that can go to modern monitors.
But I think what gets me is this part of their petition.
Getting into vintage computing or arcade boxes or whatever, yeah "the ability to service and maintain" is paramount. But the onus is on us, the people doing the collecting, to service and maintain. I get that the Belkin cable provides a nice easy solution but ultimately, not to sound corny, we do these things not because they are easy but because they are hard to do.
And also, as I mentioned, this cable is passive so it's fairly easy compared to say the Nintendo GameCube's Component Video cable that had an active circuit inside the cable that took a lot of effort to eventually reverse engineer. But the point being is that vintage digital collecting is a very rough thing to get into, it takes a lot of love and really getting that enjoyment out of very complex challenges. It's one of those "I love it, but I don't recommend it" kind of things.
EDIT: Also I think this part of the article hits best.
Yeah, this is why open standards and the right to repair is really important. And one of the main things about FOSS and the open source community is this really important thing to remember:
Everyday, more of your life and technology will intersect. We are living in an age where Internet access and technology to access it is as crucial as having a mailbox for mail to get to. Proprietary solutions, closed standards, and planned obsolescence are modern ways to gatekeep your ability to freely access this new modern society. We are getting closer everyday where this technology dictates if you can or cannot participate in society. It is vital to have as the bedrock of this technology, the principal of free access to all, so that everyone can freely participate in this society we are growing into.
I think I have that same exact dongle.
$250 seems like a normal price for Apple peripherals.
Yeah you’re buying not only an apple preheprial but a defacto limited edition, vintage one. No ones gonna charge you less for that once they figure out how to market it.
I could design and produce a small batch of those adaptors.
Would anyone be interested in getting a prototype and helping to test it?
Both Linux and Apple users make the choice to shoot themselves in the foot, but only the other group constantly whines how much their foot hurts.
.
You do know that one of them is an operating system basically a bunch of zeros and ones and the other one is a company? Just to shit on linux you put it into a totally unrelated sentence.
I’m a linux user myself. I tried to shit on Apple, but I guess I somehow missed?
Congratulations, you just shit yourself
A big problem with this is that if someone is goodwilled and sells their own adapter on eBay for cheap. Someone else would buy it to sell it at the 250,- price for profit.
Wait, you’re saying I can resell my old adp to dvi connectors for up to $250?
Someone’s about to make an easy grand…
Hey, what’ll ya give me for some FireWire cables? Ooh, I got an old pre USB keyboard and mouse too!