Wired’s Attack on Privacy
(simplex.chat)
from BodaciousMunchkin@links.hackliberty.org to technology@lemmy.world on 17 Oct 2024 10:52
https://links.hackliberty.org/post/2984611
from BodaciousMunchkin@links.hackliberty.org to technology@lemmy.world on 17 Oct 2024 10:52
https://links.hackliberty.org/post/2984611
SimpleX Chat’s response to Wired’s article about neo-Nazis moving to its encrypted messaging app.
Edit: manually cross-posted from links.hackliberty.org/post/2981854
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Wired ran a smear campaign... Who paid for it?
The response from SimpleX reads like a naive idea that just because there are Nazis here doesn’t make us Nazis.
Like, guy, the Nazis are using that idealistic vision of a shared private world and staining it with bigotry and hatred. If nothing is done, SimpleX is a Nazi network.
I think we can agree that Nazi’s are not something we want to assocuate with. Help me understand, what would you do? How would you limit the service to
prioritize[s] privacy in order to protect human rights defenders, journalists, and everyday users who value their privacy
but then also filter out Nazi’s? How would this be different from TOR?You can’t. Technology that can be used for human rights can be used for Nazi content. That’s just the way the world works. You can’t put a back door into it to stop the Nazi content because then the back door will be used by anybody who has access to it and also those who don’t. You cannot back door math. Sorry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_for_Strategic_Dialogue
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Weidenfeld,_Baron_Weidenfeld
A staunch Zionist, Weidenfeld was deeply involved in supporting Israel.
I thought the same when I was reading the Wired article. Fuck Wired, extremely not very cash money of them.
I read the Wires article for the first time just now to try and understand this article. I don’t really think it attacks SimpleX at all. I think it states the fact that nazis have moved to the platform, the fact that SimpleX is a very private platform, the fact that SimpleX claims to prevent extremist content and growth, the fact that extremist content is being spread and growing, and the fact that SimpleX is unaware of claims. As someone who has been following this discourse for decades, this is the kind of thing that gets published. There is a balance between privacy and extremism. Privacy-focused individuals like myself will always focus on the privacy provided there are tools to combat the extremism (where applicable).
I feel like SimpleX is being defensive because their claims are not panning out. Their response calls out all of the things I feel were said in support of them while ignoring the actual critiques of their system. Not adding a backdoor? Great! That’s law and smart! Supporting groups of over a thousand posting extremist content?
This is the stuff that needs response, not the privacy stuff Gilbert is arguably a fan of.
Read the article by wired previously and it rubbed me the wrong way. I don't doubt that there are Nazis using it, but I also don't doubt that there are Nazis driving ford cars and I know a big chunk of fediverse traffic is Nazis. Outside of the comment from the SimpleX developers there wasn't any mention of it just being a tool, with plenty of traffic not even going through SimpleX hosted servers. Seems like it was meant to make readers think Nazi when they heard SimpleX. As apposed to reporting on Nazis moving from one tool to a better tool, e.g. Chevys got recalled so many people, some Nazis, bought fords instead.
Nazis also use Facebook and Twitter btw
I bet Nazis also drink water and breathe.