I honestly don’t see the reason to hope for bluesky to win… I don’t get this “credible exit”. If bluesky choses to abandon it it might be feasible to make it into a decentralized network? Seems to me the decentralized future will have the same difficulties of getting people onto mastadon etc…
and what if they don’t abandon it, but investors force it to be enshittified or it gets bought out by another billionare with horrible motives. It just seems to me like kicking the can down the road.
“Credible exit” is just the twitterati huffing their own farts. Bluesky has exactly the same monetization problems twitter did and any other ultimate result beyond selling the company off to the highest bidder is fantasy.
Eventually, sooner or later, bluesky will fatten a nice crop of highly engaged users and sell the platform to someone with a better plan to monetize all of those eyeballs. The only real question is who? Will it be fElon Musk? Will it be ZuckerBot? Will it be some other billionaire who wants to own their own left leaning Twitter clone so they can monetize all those professional eyeballs with greater than average disposable income? Keep using the platform to find out!
I’d imagine just basic economics. Businesses exist to make money. Growing a tech company costs money. Which means someone’s gotta be pouring a lot of money into it to grow it. People with that kind of money, aren’t in the habit of giving money they don’t expect to have a return on investment.
Being the best, getting users that don’t pay for the service… does not make money. Things people hate make money, Targeted ads, tracking/spying, or paid services you can direct users to make money. If a company has a semi-captive audience… that’s when they are pushed to enshittify.
I suppose it’s the deffinition of “credible” in “credible exit”. My understanding is, it’s a closed in system… that would allow people to export to another closed system built on the same protocol.
The basically impossible part of a social network, is getting people onto the same network at the same time. It’s like a hangout place that’s open 24/7. Someone comes in, if nobody’s there, they themselves leave. 10 minutes later someone else comes, also see’s it empty and leaves. The hard part is getting enough people to stick around long enough to make interesting things to make others want to stay around.
To me the only credible exit… is fediverse style. IE not just that you can leave and take your stuff… but more importantly you can still talk with the people who haven’t left yet. Because if we are just talking another walled in instance that you can make, that may as well be a new network.
The thing holding people into twitter, isn’t they’d horribly miss their years of old tweets they’ve made and recieved. They’d miss their old contacts that haven’t joined the new network yet. Unless I’m massively misunderstanding the way this works… they aren’t opening the door for the new networks to be able to communicate with the old one.
they aren’t opening the door for the new networks to be able to communicate with the old one.
they are actually, it’s actually better than the fediverse in that sense because you can truly transfer your account, the main issue is that the “relay” part of the system is centralised atm because of how expensive it is to run.
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I honestly don’t see the reason to hope for bluesky to win… I don’t get this “credible exit”. If bluesky choses to abandon it it might be feasible to make it into a decentralized network? Seems to me the decentralized future will have the same difficulties of getting people onto mastadon etc…
and what if they don’t abandon it, but investors force it to be enshittified or it gets bought out by another billionare with horrible motives. It just seems to me like kicking the can down the road.
“Credible exit” is just the twitterati huffing their own farts. Bluesky has exactly the same monetization problems twitter did and any other ultimate result beyond selling the company off to the highest bidder is fantasy.
Eventually, sooner or later, bluesky will fatten a nice crop of highly engaged users and sell the platform to someone with a better plan to monetize all of those eyeballs. The only real question is who? Will it be fElon Musk? Will it be ZuckerBot? Will it be some other billionaire who wants to own their own left leaning Twitter clone so they can monetize all those professional eyeballs with greater than average disposable income? Keep using the platform to find out!
How exactly does it have the same problem? Could you elaborate on that?
I’d imagine just basic economics. Businesses exist to make money. Growing a tech company costs money. Which means someone’s gotta be pouring a lot of money into it to grow it. People with that kind of money, aren’t in the habit of giving money they don’t expect to have a return on investment.
Being the best, getting users that don’t pay for the service… does not make money. Things people hate make money, Targeted ads, tracking/spying, or paid services you can direct users to make money. If a company has a semi-captive audience… that’s when they are pushed to enshittify.
of course, but the way bluesky is built allows people to leave for another service, it is very expensive to setup that other service.
I’d say it’s less good from a anti-enshittifications standpoint than the fediverse, but it’s much better than twitter
I suppose it’s the deffinition of “credible” in “credible exit”. My understanding is, it’s a closed in system… that would allow people to export to another closed system built on the same protocol.
The basically impossible part of a social network, is getting people onto the same network at the same time. It’s like a hangout place that’s open 24/7. Someone comes in, if nobody’s there, they themselves leave. 10 minutes later someone else comes, also see’s it empty and leaves. The hard part is getting enough people to stick around long enough to make interesting things to make others want to stay around.
To me the only credible exit… is fediverse style. IE not just that you can leave and take your stuff… but more importantly you can still talk with the people who haven’t left yet. Because if we are just talking another walled in instance that you can make, that may as well be a new network.
The thing holding people into twitter, isn’t they’d horribly miss their years of old tweets they’ve made and recieved. They’d miss their old contacts that haven’t joined the new network yet. Unless I’m massively misunderstanding the way this works… they aren’t opening the door for the new networks to be able to communicate with the old one.
they are actually, it’s actually better than the fediverse in that sense because you can truly transfer your account, the main issue is that the “relay” part of the system is centralised atm because of how expensive it is to run.
It was explained in detail in the other post, which was linked to in the section that said what you’re referencing.