Omega_Man@lemmy.world
on 16 Jul 2024 11:50
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But who was phone?
Iheartcheese@lemmy.world
on 16 Jul 2024 23:21
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AAAAH
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
on 16 Jul 2024 04:19
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Russian Batman. Soooooo, like a guy with a black cape, and maybe a rope.
andyburke@fedia.io
on 16 Jul 2024 01:13
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byyyyyeeeeee
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca
on 16 Jul 2024 01:34
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When they’re tied to the Russian government this comes as no surprise. The only thing that surprised me was that it took this long.
sturmblast@lemmy.world
on 16 Jul 2024 12:48
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I agree, I expected this to happen years ago.
Eezyville@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Jul 2024 01:36
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The United State only wants American companies to spy on Americans.
Maddier1993@programming.dev
on 16 Jul 2024 03:13
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On the other hand if the number keeps going down it helps strengthen hope that it can go down to 0. When these things happen some apparatus gets left behind on how to do it a again for rogue actors inside the country too.
stardust@lemmy.ca
on 16 Jul 2024 03:39
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I think most countries spy on their citizens and a lot of the same countries probably don’t want other countries doing the same due to possible unwanted intel leaks in government and corporate sectors.
demonsword@lemmy.world
on 16 Jul 2024 11:29
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I think most countries spy on their citizens
we should not be OK with that
stardust@lemmy.ca
on 16 Jul 2024 11:47
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Not saying it is okay. Pointing out that even if hypocritical there’s generally a strategic reason for countries to deter international spying. Would be quite a puzzling decision for any country to provide an open door for other countries to spy on them.
Trying to set barriers seems logical when it comes to outsiders. But, spying by its nature is constant attempts to sneak past barriers, so attempts aren’t going to stop. It’d just be called collaboration instead of spying if information was shared freely and spying would be unnecessary.
Maybe we have a different definition of deter. I don’t see it as stop, but trying to make it less easier. Why would spies stop trying to spy? I don’t expect that number to change. If it did that would be some pitiful spies.
That’s with trusted parties where that type of collaboration is less likely to happen between parties that are hostile to each other. I would not expect blank country to trust any blank adversary countries software and instead be wary of their motives and back doors, and they would be smart not to with both sides seeking each other harm.
I don’t think you understand that I am viewing this from how sides that see each other as potential threats view and treat each other. Not talking about countries that are already collaborating as if they were allies.
In case you don’t understand. I am not claiming that countries do not spy on their own citizens and seek methods to spy even more on them. I’m talking about how countries can react to countries they label as adversaries.
sturmblast@lemmy.world
on 16 Jul 2024 12:48
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UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world
on 16 Jul 2024 20:51
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NSA? Notice how fast the Trump shooter’s phone was access? Gotta have those backdoors for spying.
MrAlternateTape@lemm.ee
on 17 Jul 2024 14:32
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The funny thing is, that whole thing just proved that the spying didn’t work. Trump was still almost killed. So the spying and mass surveillance did still not prevent that.
I guess they should stop violating everybody’s privacy, but obviously they don’t care.
catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Jul 2024 02:42
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Wow hot take
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 16 Jul 2024 01:37
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the consequences of xenophobia. i worked for kaspersky usa from 2011 to 2014 and they were great. it shows how much conspiracy theories take root when people believe eugene has ties with the russian government based on his mandatory service back when it was still the ussr.
snooggums@midwest.social
on 16 Jul 2024 01:54
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Things are a bit different than in 2014…
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
on 16 Jul 2024 04:23
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Yeah. Now houses cost as much as a…well, there’s no way to finish that sentance anymore. People don’t buy houses, governments do. And they raise the rent when they control the whole city.
twoface@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Jul 2024 08:40
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Username checks out
Omega_Man@lemmy.world
on 16 Jul 2024 11:52
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If only we could be more like successful super power Russia
YeetPics@mander.xyz
on 16 Jul 2024 18:21
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You’re confusing VC with governments. I doubt this is the first time 🤣
Socsa@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Jul 2024 22:26
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I bought a house, Greg. Can you milk me?
Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com
on 16 Jul 2024 02:35
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Pretty sure it’s not xenophobic to look at “Headquarters Moscow, Russia” and wonder if there’s any possibility that Putin could enforce something upon the company.
It’s not like Russia doesn’t do it to us.
The Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) separately accused the US National Security Agency and company Apple of being behind the attack
It’s fair to hurt Russia’s GDP by choosing not to use Kaspersky [in light of people’s opposition to the war with Ukraine]. That doesn’t mean “xenophobic”.
Edit: Added bracketed clarification
rottingleaf@lemmy.world
on 16 Jul 2024 09:13
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People believe that based on it being legally impossible for such companies to exist in Russia without working with FSB, it’s not a secret.
EDIT: Not even talking about the educational institution he graduated from, which was called high school of KGB when he did that.
cm0002@lemmy.world
on 16 Jul 2024 19:12
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Xenophobia is bad when the fear is unfounded
The fear isn’t unfounded with a known hostile country like Russia, it’s not like after the Cold war they went “ah well now we’re besties”
Maybe they weren’t having Kas do anything, or maybe they were.
This is the same country known for jailing peoples families when they don’t cooperate, this is the same country that launched an unprovoked war, this is the same country that has been trying to actively take down the US via political games etc (I could go on forever)
Socsa@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Jul 2024 22:26
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The conspiracy theory that Russia is the belligerent in a war against Europe and is actively engaged in cyber espionage?
0x0@programming.dev
on 16 Jul 2024 08:16
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No companies that flag USGov’s malware, please.
Pulptastic@midwest.social
on 16 Jul 2024 16:18
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Oh good. Anyways…
filister@lemmy.world
on 17 Jul 2024 07:26
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I would be highly surprised if US antivirus companies aren’t doing pretty much the same as what the US is accusing Kaspersky of doing.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world
on 17 Jul 2024 15:48
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I would not be highly surprised if data collected by Kaspersky were often enough shared with American 3-letter agencies, and data collected by American companies with FSB and GRU and SVR.
It’s like in sci-fi series and such they often show the good guys and the bad guys temporarily uniting against a common threat. Only here the common threat would be some journalists or activists or politicians unpleasant for both, maybe. Or just people of a subculture unpleasant for both even. I’d expect anybody dealing in human rights and such to be a target of such cooperation.
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One side of their business. The other side will continue in the shadows.
Which side is that?
The side that’s… Right behind you! Watch out!!
^Wee^ ~woo…~
But who was phone?
AAAAH
Russian Batman. Soooooo, like a guy with a black cape, and maybe a rope.
byyyyyeeeeee
When they’re tied to the Russian government this comes as no surprise. The only thing that surprised me was that it took this long.
I agree, I expected this to happen years ago.
The United State only wants American companies to spy on Americans.
On the other hand if the number keeps going down it helps strengthen hope that it can go down to 0. When these things happen some apparatus gets left behind on how to do it a again for rogue actors inside the country too.
I think most countries spy on their citizens and a lot of the same countries probably don’t want other countries doing the same due to possible unwanted intel leaks in government and corporate sectors.
we should not be OK with that
Not saying it is okay. Pointing out that even if hypocritical there’s generally a strategic reason for countries to deter international spying. Would be quite a puzzling decision for any country to provide an open door for other countries to spy on them.
What makes you think this’ll deter international spying?
Trying to set barriers seems logical when it comes to outsiders. But, spying by its nature is constant attempts to sneak past barriers, so attempts aren’t going to stop. It’d just be called collaboration instead of spying if information was shared freely and spying would be unnecessary.
Maybe we have a different definition of deter. I don’t see it as stop, but trying to make it less easier. Why would spies stop trying to spy? I don’t expect that number to change. If it did that would be some pitiful spies.
Happens all the time, the NSA can’t spy on US citizens to it asks GCHQ to do it for them, and vice-versa.
Kaspersky’s software had been known for flagging US 3-letter-agencies’ malware, so there’s that…
That’s with trusted parties where that type of collaboration is less likely to happen between parties that are hostile to each other. I would not expect blank country to trust any blank adversary countries software and instead be wary of their motives and back doors, and they would be smart not to with both sides seeking each other harm.
I don’t think you understand that I am viewing this from how sides that see each other as potential threats view and treat each other. Not talking about countries that are already collaborating as if they were allies.
In case you don’t understand. I am not claiming that countries do not spy on their own citizens and seek methods to spy even more on them. I’m talking about how countries can react to countries they label as adversaries.
I’m certainly not OK with it.
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NSA? Notice how fast the Trump shooter’s phone was access? Gotta have those backdoors for spying.
The funny thing is, that whole thing just proved that the spying didn’t work. Trump was still almost killed. So the spying and mass surveillance did still not prevent that.
I guess they should stop violating everybody’s privacy, but obviously they don’t care.
Wow hot take
the consequences of xenophobia. i worked for kaspersky usa from 2011 to 2014 and they were great. it shows how much conspiracy theories take root when people believe eugene has ties with the russian government based on his mandatory service back when it was still the ussr.
Things are a bit different than in 2014…
Yeah. Now houses cost as much as a…well, there’s no way to finish that sentance anymore. People don’t buy houses, governments do. And they raise the rent when they control the whole city.
Username checks out
If only we could be more like successful super power Russia
You’re confusing VC with governments. I doubt this is the first time 🤣
I bought a house, Greg. Can you milk me?
Pretty sure it’s not xenophobic to look at “Headquarters Moscow, Russia” and wonder if there’s any possibility that Putin could enforce something upon the company.
It’s not like Russia doesn’t do it to us.
It’s fair to hurt Russia’s GDP by choosing not to use Kaspersky [in light of people’s opposition to the war with Ukraine]. That doesn’t mean “xenophobic”.
Edit: Added bracketed clarification
People believe that based on it being legally impossible for such companies to exist in Russia without working with FSB, it’s not a secret.
EDIT: Not even talking about the educational institution he graduated from, which was called high school of KGB when he did that.
Xenophobia is bad when the fear is unfounded
The fear isn’t unfounded with a known hostile country like Russia, it’s not like after the Cold war they went “ah well now we’re besties”
Maybe they weren’t having Kas do anything, or maybe they were.
This is the same country known for jailing peoples families when they don’t cooperate, this is the same country that launched an unprovoked war, this is the same country that has been trying to actively take down the US via political games etc (I could go on forever)
The conspiracy theory that Russia is the belligerent in a war against Europe and is actively engaged in cyber espionage?
.
No companies that flag USGov’s malware, please.
Oh good. Anyways…
I would be highly surprised if US antivirus companies aren’t doing pretty much the same as what the US is accusing Kaspersky of doing.
I would not be highly surprised if data collected by Kaspersky were often enough shared with American 3-letter agencies, and data collected by American companies with FSB and GRU and SVR.
It’s like in sci-fi series and such they often show the good guys and the bad guys temporarily uniting against a common threat. Only here the common threat would be some journalists or activists or politicians unpleasant for both, maybe. Or just people of a subculture unpleasant for both even. I’d expect anybody dealing in human rights and such to be a target of such cooperation.