Meta sparks privacy fears after unveiling $299 Smart Glasses with hidden cameras: ‘You can now film everyone without them knowing’
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Meta sparks privacy fears after unveiling $299 Smart Glasses with hidden cameras: ‘You can now film everyone without them knowing’::These stylish shades may look like a regular pair of Ray-Ban Wayfarers, but they’re actually Meta’s new Smart Glasses, complete with two tiny cameras and speakers implanted in the arms. The wearable tech was unveiled by Mark Zuckerberg Wednesday at the 2023 Meta Connect conference in Menlo Park, California, sparking a frenzy online.
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They must have a different approach if Google glasses tried the same thing and failed miserably.
Partnering with Luxotica/RayBan to make it look more like normal frames will keep it from being as obvious for one.
The lens on the frame and the swiping to operate it are pretty obvious to me in the demo video.
I think its going to be just as hated as google glass.
Luxottica? Why is always Italy behind this kind of shit?
They look like normal glasses, that’s the different approach. The little camera lenses in the corners are the only giveaway.
I remember when Google glasses came out, people got assaulted for wearing them
cbsnews.com/…/san-francisco-woman-says-she-was-at…
Her Facebook post 💀
The trick is now you can’t tell. Should it be illegal? Heck yes. Will it? “Hmm … technology, so important … innovation… privacy is dead anyway …. terrorism prevention… “
I think some cameras will “pop out” on your screen if you take a picture of them, right?
What a shitty future ahead of us. “Why are you taking a picture of me?!” “Because you’re wearing some suspicious glasses and I want to make sure that you are not recording me. Yup. There they are.”
Edit: well, after seeing some pictures, you can still tell that the cameras are there. But you have to be looking for them, which is still shitty.
That’s only if it sends infrared signal (for example it has night vision). I don’t think anything will show up with these.
Oh… oh, well.
In the US, it’s been long held people do not have the “expectation of privacy” while out in public. One of the major issues that you’ve kinda touched on is how would it be enforced? So are you opposed to all forms of recording? Or is this more focused on a corporation potentially gathering data on people just by being in public where someone is wearing these?
The problem is you won’t know you’re being recorded in private either.
IMO expectation of privacy is valid, but I believe people should also have the right to reasonably know if they’re being recorded. Recording people in public’s one thing if you have your phone out and are waving it around pointing it at people, but it’s a whole other thing if it’s a concealed or otherwise hidden recording device.
I just kind of assume my phone is going to give out more information than a camera ever could, so the very least those companies can do is give me access to that data.
There’s a difference between “on apple’s servers” and “a million people harassing you after being pulled into a Livestream against your will” though.
Both are bad, one is worse.
I wonder about that, because how many things are already recording our activity in some way when we’re out in public? And what would “knowing that you’re being recorded” consist of? Like if there’s a security camera on the corner of a building filming the sidewalk, and I don’t see it, is my privacy violated? If someone posts a sign that says “cameras in use” is that enough? It’s just an interesting question because obviously there are a huge variety of recording devices everywhere these days in public and as far as I know there’s really not much in the way of laws dictating how or whether the device owner needs to warn people who may wander into it’s range in public.
When I say to “reasonably know”, I don’t mean everyone must be aware, but moreso that if you look around, not looking for cameras necessarily, you should notice it. The “reasonable person” standard is one that’s commonly used in law, to describe the nature of something, even if the letter of it isn’t necessarily true.
That said, assuming we’re talking American law, this would all come down to case law anyways. A majority of American law isn’t what’s on the books, but what’s worked out in court rooms across the country based on written legislation. Judges end up hashing out what the written law actually intends to mean (or in many cases what it should intend).
For my personal standards, I don’t think even a sign is necessary. So long as it’s in plain sight. Phone cameras are largely identifiable by the manner in which people hold their phones when recording others, so that would also be something I’d consider passing this “reasonable person” standard. Cameras built into pens and sunglasses though are very obviously intended to be concealed, and as such wouldn’t without there being other ways to identify it; such as if it was told to those who’d be in range of the lens that they’d be recorded by this device.
There’d definitely be a lot of back and forth to hash out appropriate legislation, but I think it’s very doable without significantly impacting the daily lives of people today.
Ring doorbells, and the like, are everywhere. Hell, I had a bear cruise in the dog door a couple of years ago. Neighbors produced security cam pics and I had no clue they had cameras!
At this point, we might as well assume we’re being recorded the moment we step out our front door.
Ah true, I totally forgot about those.
God I don’t like our current timeline 😔
What about security cameras? Cameras on cars? What kind of notification should be required?
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I have not, but I will do that. Thanks.
It’s only valid in private venues. We don’t know when were being recorded now and have not really known for decades. This isn’t going to change anything on that front.
But something to detect their emissions etc in private venues would be a good idea. That or deployable jamming for Bluetooth and WiFi etc on site.
Ya, and I think that’s something that should change. I should have the right to, within reason, be able to know I’m being recorded at any time.
It would be a nice to have. But there is no realistic way to do that. It is an unreasonable request. At any point in time when you are outside you are being observed by any number of satellites. Through any number of windows. From all number of arbitrary distances. You may as well request omniscience. Since you have an equal chance of obtaining it.
Legally speaking, you pretty much consent to being recorded when you step outside your own private space as far as I know.
I think we’re getting to the point where “expectation of privacy” and “expectation of not being uploaded” need to be separated.
I fully agree with the idea that there should be no expectation of privacy in public, but I also don’t think filming some random person and posting them online should be carte blanche allowed.
Also in the US, there has been this bizarre expectation that “if it’s illegal, it will go away”, which is how we have this shitty War on (some) Drugs, “assault” “weapon” bans, and people thinking that we have to completely outlaw AI.
The tech is here. It’s going to be legal. We just have to figure out how to deal with it.
At the time it made sense. But laws need to change with the times. In the future you’ll have people wearing these shitty glasses with cameras all around you all day every day cataloging your movements and entering them into giant corporate data centers. Something needs to change.
Why should it be illegal?
It’s perfectly legal to photograph strangers in public. You’re in public you have no reasonable expectation of privacy.
I don’t see people assaulting CCTV cameras for instance.
Sure some weirdos might I use it for nefarious reasons but if it didn’t exist they would still be weirdos using something else.
Ok, now you and I are in a private place. Say, a bar. How do I know you’re not recording me?
A bar, where the public congregates, sounds like a public place (and would be considered so in my country).
A bar is privately-owned. How is it a public place?
It’s “public”. But that would be the same as filming you in your own house. If it’s a friend you invited over, they could record you and it’s on you to indicate your opposition and kick them out/trespass them should they refuse to comply.
Now in the private bar, the other patrons are allowed to be there and there’s no law prohibiting them from recording (excepting places like a bathroom of course). If the bar tells them not to record, they can comply or be asked to leave. If the bar doesn’t tell them to leave, it’s on you to leave. Consider if a nazi walked into the bar. They have the right to be a nazi and go to bars. Bars have the right to refuse or provide service to whomever (so long as it doesn’t target a protected class). You have no more right to be at the bar than the nazi or person filming (absent some other condition like the bar telling them to leave).
Tl:Dr - it’s not public in the legal sense. However civil law takes over.
I guess you’re speaking for the USA, or whatever country you live in, but @ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world seemed to speak about a different (unspecified) country. We’re left to guess which country…
(also, Godwin’s law still applies lol)
US. Yes. I can’t speak for other countries.
Which country exactly?
I think maybe the terms used are different, but if the bar is a business owned by a private person or company, and is allowed to say who can be in there or not, set dress code, hours, rules about outside food etc, that’s what would be considered a place of business in the US, and those aren’t publicly-owned or considered a public space as far as the rights of those people in that space. I get that “pub” literally means “public” but they aren’t owned by some government entity, you don’t have a “right” to free access to them, and the rules about what can and can’t take place there are set by the private owners.
How do you know my phone isn’t just recording you? Doesn’t even have to really be pointing at you to grab audio or perhaps you even in the corner of the frame?
I don’t, but it’s far more likely for me to catch you doing it that way than with glasses.
The bar is a public place in that they allow in the public. You have no expectation of privacy there.
However the bar owner as the owner can explicitly ban photography and that’s fine it’s their bar , but they have to explicitly let people know the rules.
You ever been to a bar or a club? People are talking photos everywhere lol
Have you ever been to a theater? Taking photos is banned despite allowing in the public. Please explain.
Again. The theatre owners set the rules.
The same as your bar example. If you owned a building or business then you can set the rules or make people leave.
Point of clarification. It’s not “public” in the legal sense. Might be why you’re catching some downvotes. The rest of it is pretty much on point.
Thanks for the clarification.
Perhaps my wording was poor but I’m not sure why people don’t realise that not all places the public go are public so in those places the rules are set up by the owner.
People wear their glasses everywhere, including a variety of places where there is an expectation of privacy or where it is otherwise prohibited to record. Places where you would not be allowed to hold up your phone or camera and take photos.
The introduction of tech that makes it impossible to distinguish between someone minding their own business and someone recording you demands a change to the legal framework. It doesn’t make sense to hold to laws that were written for an entirely different scenario.
I’ve seen that fairly often, particularly around political protests, and I’ve never seen a CCTV camera in a public bathroom, locker room, etc.
This tech is an inevitability and the potential legitimate uses are too valuable to ban it outright. But that doesn’t mean it should be treated exactly like a highly-visible camera or cell phone.
VERY solid point.
This isn’t new tech though. I can record on the down-low now and have been able to for some time.
People attacking Glasses users are ignorant of this fact.
Primate bionic eye implants exist. Consider a future where they are good and look exactly like regular eyes.
Pretty sure there are at least some limitations to that. In a public toilet for instance…
The key is the phrasing reasonable expectation of privacy.
A bathroom is such a place where you would reasonably expect privacy.
Depends on your legislation.
Here it’s the other way round.
Right, definitely not the same everywhere in the world. Where exactly is “here” that you’re referring to?
Over there
That’s Germany.
Where is here?
I’m in the UK and it’s legal.
Which 3rd world country? Otherwise you got Brazil (is in some places), Spain, and Switzerland (Gotta love fascist money, money laundering, and nazi gold).
bobbooks.co.uk/…/10-places-around-the-world-where…
…wikimedia.org/…/Commons:Country_specific_consent…
Germany for example. Your source that no consent is required (with exceptions) is kinda wrong on this. It’s more of a “it really depends” kind of situation, and people might even have the right to defend themselves if you take pictures of them illegally. German source
Those are the same things said in different ways lol. Alas, I cannot speak German.
IT’S FOR THE CHILDREN
How would banning these be enforceable though? They are only going to get more discreet, they will eventually appear completely indistinguishable from regular glasses.
There are certain ways to detect cameras, such as monitoring for infrared, but that would not work for all camera tech and could be hard to triangulate to exact people in crowded areas. There are also ways to detect electronic devices on a person but doing so could quickly become just as invasive in other ways.
You don’t need the ban to be perfect. Especially if you go after manufacturers, not users. Make it harder for people to do uncouth things. Accessibility is a huge driver of people using things. You might not be able to stop everyone, but you can stop the majority of people.
Thermal cameras are surprisingly good at detecting things that use power. Defeat the camera with another camera 😉
Why should be illegal!?
Several bars in my city banned people wearing them.
Venues will just need to implement infrared checks at the door.
A simple solution would be to have a red led that displays when recording like video cameras
Pretty sure these have that
They have lights that pulse around each of the cameras when turned on. Seems like a good enough indicator to me
Next up: a bunch of facebook.posts on how to kill the recording.lights without damaging the glasses…
You mean the ‘off’ light?
The fix for that is a Sharpie or electrical tape, like all other LED’s you want to hide.
IANAL
Aren’t there laws about being recorded without permission?
Any evidence gained by illegal means is inadmissible?
Depends on where you are I think
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It’s usually just submitting evidence collected illegally by state agencies that’s prohibited
The Meta smart glasses have a LED, and they claim to detect when it’s covered and asked the user to clear it (not activating the camera) when it’s the case.
But honestly, there are already devices to record people without their consent. Just go to AliExpress and you’ll find devices that don’t even bother adding a LED (because the whole point of the device is stealth filming).
What will be the new name for Glassholes in the Meta era?
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Everything old is new again
www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2013/06/14/glasshole
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Boiled the frog too quickly
I predict a uptick in assault and battery when people start recognizing these and get sick of them being used in public
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Holy sh*!!
They say the hands never lie about the age, clearly they still can’t lie about the ai either.
yes, that is a robot
They don’t really look “hidden” tbqh, the lenses are quite obvious.
I’m wondering if these could be useful to me as a prosopagnostic.
Try standing 10 ft / 3m away, in a crowd, and not actually expecting anybody to have them. Would you notice?
Well now we’re already expecting people to have them, so yeah I think people will notice.
I guess, but by that standard having a mobile phone in a shirt pocket is also hidden.
Yes, yes it is. The glasses makes it just a tiny bit easier to covertly record stuff.
Ok, but why?
Like, why??
I’d like to run a test on these executives, put everyone with a camera pointing at them whenever they step outside let’s see how long it will take to them hate their own proposal.
In the bathroom. :)
Cause Zucko needs even more ways to spy on us.
Data acquisition
Noise acquisition, you mean.
Idk, I assume I’m being watched via CCTV at least wherever I go nowadays. This may be literally in your face, but still… these devices will become invisible and ubiquitous.
Does all that CCTV footage get firehosed to Zuck and friends so they can mass tag everyone in every photo whether you like it or not?
I’m all for it. If I can walk through the grocery store and AI can track all the prices on everything and help me budget, i would think that’s pretty cool. Or, if I need to check back what a professor said in class and work on the board, boom no problem. I can see people not wanting to get filmed, but aren’t we already being filmed constantly already? Now I get to film for my benefit.
My privacy issue would be the likely massive access they’d “require” in order to use. If using them means Meta gets access to all sorts of info just so I can use it, then hell no. If I have relatively complete control over the access I’m fine with it.
Yeah, I can see that. I held out from Meta/FB for years for my data’s sake until I started dating a woman in South America and now I have to have What’sAp.
I would love a private version, too, yes, where I had full control over my data. If Meta is taking basic metadata here, such as location, I think I would still use it, but if they are accessing the actual footage, or getting way to granular with the metadata, then yeah I guess that’s a bit more alarming. Still, it’s not far from what we already have today. You have to fight to not have all your behavior tracked.
People who don’t understand that they already lost their privacy years ago: “GASP, this means someone could be recording me!”
Which doesn’t make this any better of a future to live in.
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Have you never been to a city? You’re literally being filmed all the time.
If you can get things changed, I will send you $20
Exactly what happened to Google Glass will happen to this thing so it doesn’t matter. It’s never going to get off the ground because most people don’t like having cameras pointed at them before they’re even asked. Just because cities are putting up cameras all over the place doesn’t mean the public accepts them.
I’m not saying these will take off in any meaningful way, but I wouldn’t be so sure the backlash will be as hard. Attitudes seem to have changed to be less concerned about privacy over time.
You know privacy isn’t just a binary thing, right?
Otherwise I’d be posting a picture of you using your phone on the toilet.
Not necessarily. I can control my devices and prevent them from spying on me.
I can install Linux on my PC and Graphene on my phone and refuse to use Google, Apple, and Meta products and services. I can choose to use local home automation products and cameras.
What I can’t do is stop other people from recording me throughout my daily life and reporting my activities back to said corporations.
Is there a type of glasses that can detect cameras like an ir sensor?
Cameras as usually passive (i.e. they don’t emit light or any radiation, they just absorb the one that happens to land on their sensor), so no, not really.
Tha would be true only for those infrared cameras that have active IR LEDs to see at night, or lidars, radars, structured light 3d cameras, time-of-flight distance sensors, etc or anything that actually emits something. Regular cameras don’t.
That’s a bummer. Is there a heat sensor or something? It’s doing something passive sunglasses don’t, there has to be a way to tell?
Get your own glasses with infrared cameras (they can see heat) and then you can tell who’s got the camera glasses. Well, whoever has smart glasses.
But then would I look like someone who is filming people to other people who also have IR glasses?
Hmmm… yeah, I guess so.
Doesn’t it have a ‘recording’ LED?
Remember the good ol’ times when some guy stepped up in the cinema, stood in front of the audience, right when the movie was about to start:
“OK, Google!”
:-)
Great, now they’re going too have to put DMCA protection in and we’re just gonna have people who don’t want to constantly be recorded start wandering around blasting Disney music to trip their DMCA sensors
“They trust me — dumb fucks,” says Zuckerberg
Always good to keep in mind
Alt headline: Dude with boundary issues makes least surprising glasses ever
hidden camera prank videos are about to become a lot more rampant I think.
Meh, I assume I’m always on camera anywhere I’m in public. I don’t like it and I really don’t want to be recorded. I’m also realistic and understand that public spaces are… well public.
I understand privacy fears because there’s nothing stopping someone in my private space from recording me now other than mutual respect and consent. If all it takes is the ease of use of some fashionable frames then it’s time to rethink your relationships.
This also applies to semi-private spaces. So think at the office or a cozy booth in a coffee shop. Assume all public places are recorded (because they often are) and establish boundaries within your relationships.
How very Meta
Can’t wait for pervs to start using these to get upskirt videos.
Sticking whole head under a lady
What? Why stick your head under?
“oops I dropped my glasses!”
Because that would ruin the joke.
A quick search on Amazon for “spy camera” finds a bunch of devices small enough to easily conceal inside clothing, built in to pens, and built in to watches. A search for “spy camera glasses” finds exactly that, and most of them are well under $300. We’re already well into the era of being able to film everyone without them knowing.
Those at least don’t automatically sync to Zuck.
I think it is just a matter of convenience. Very few people buy lasers to aim them at airplanes. Give everyone a laser and you’ll get a thousand reports of people aiming lasers at their plane.
People aren’t a fan of those existing either, but not much you can do about it. At least, you can assume that it’s only a tiny fraction of people who own these devices, let alone carry them around, ready to go.
With these glasses, more people will own them and will have them ready to go, on their nose.
Smart glasses outside of specific applications were a fad when Google did them and will continue to be, at best, a fad.
They aren’t directly connected to a social network and promoted with vast marketing resources however.
I remember playing with one of these about 10 years ago that looked like a car key fob, it recorded somewhat subpar footage in a weird format to a microSD card. A neat novelty but not very practical to use unless you really had a need to do covert surveillance of something, which most people don’t.
However if it’s made to be effortless to push watchable footage to social media, and people are heavily encouraged and incentivised to do so and it’s a different proposition.
Those cameras only record locally.
These glasses presumably upload every frame to corporate data centers to be cataloged and used to profile the people in the images.
Didn’t Google already try this?
Google glasses were bloody obvious though… you looked like a poundshop borg.
That’s because Google actually had HUDs in their glasses. Meta is purely audio.
And in a future America, Joe Hillbilly shot Stylo Man, because Joe suspected Stylo to spy on him with his funny looking (but otherwise totally ordinary) glasses.
On the one hand I’d kinda love a pair of glasses that told me peoples names as I’m always forgetting them, or gave me directions without having to look at the phone.
On the other hand… humans.
Not a thing was learned from Google Glass huh? Alrighty then.
I almost like the idea of augmented reality with similar tech. I’d love it if I could look down the street and see historic photos of building overlaid perfectly.
The issue isn’t the technology, it’s the people who are supplying it and it’s connection to the Internet and sharing. I don’t trust Google and I don’t trust Meta.
I was referring to the privacy issues of Google Glass. I’m with you on the trust factor of these two companies.
It’s not even that for me. Just don’t put a camera on the front.
That defeats the purpose of augmented reality glasses if they can’t see in front of you.
They still have GPS, gyro, and a screen (well, Glass did, not this FB thing), they know where you are and can access local geodata. These things aren’t proper AR anyways like the Microsoft or Apple things that are set up to superimpose virtual content on top of IRL content, Glass was basically just a smartwatch for your face.
Would be cool if we got some open source glasses. If Niantic made glasses for Pokemon Go, Google is their parent, no bueno.
Niantic’s been an independent company since Alphabet was formed almost a decade ago and they were spun out.
Cant believe I had to scroll down to see this.
I read the headline and thought, “this again?”
Google Glass at least had a screen. This appears all phony based
I think the lesson they learned from Google Glass is that the glasses have to be cooler, not make you look like a nerd, and the technology has to be way better.
They should have used a photo from a webcam or old phone (or a noise filter) to better represent the nighttime quality of the tiny lenses. This one seems to have real DSLR depth of field. The interface is obviously fake, too. As a journalist, I would go the extra mile to take (or license) a shitty picture/video frame with motion blur (and no good-looking subject) and edit it into the supplied promotional material rather than plainly repost that obviously fake shit.
This is what’s coming on the AR headsets that will eventually replace phones. Soon, if you’re in public, you WILL be recorded by someone without your knowledge, and probably you already have been. There is no privacy in public areas, get used to it.
Ar headsets aren’t coming. The light field display tech won’t be there if ever. You ever point a laser in your eye?
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You should read up on counter surveillance
Some pretty easy hacks out there ;)
Also already legal to take overt photos in public areas within some rational parameters (no upskirts, but otherwise it’s pretty open.)
People HATE the idea that they are being recorded but the reality is it’s already happening every single day in all kinds of places you’d never expect. Never forget every phone has a camera on the back… and on the front… Ask yourself: Does yours notify you when it’s in use?
Then just think about things like key fob cameras, button cameras…
Edit: Note, the Meta Smart Glasses are only releasing in the US, Canada and the UK. All three countries have no laws protecting privacy from photography in public, though my original comment was clearly about the US. Your local area will have it’s on laws and restrictions, enjoy your regulations!
Depends on the country though. Not every country allows you to take photos of others even in public
Sure in some countries you’ll just be shot on site but we’re talking about an american company… so I was talking american law…
Yes, because Meta only operates in the states… How americentric can you get?
Have you looked at where you can even buy these? US and Canada are 2 out of the 3 countries…
Meta pedoglasses, this will end poorly.
Whaaaaaa
Won’t somebody think of the children?!
Hidden cameras? They’ve got big ol fuckin cameras on them and apparently a red LED that lights up when in use lol. It’d be easier to secretly film someone by pretending you’re texting on your phone. More ragebait.
You seriously think it wouldn’t be trivial to disable the LED?
And by the time you notice the LED you’ve already been filmed.
It would be trivial to just buy spy cameras already built for spying. The tech already exists
Ray ban have had them for years. I hate meta but it’s not just them.
To be fair that was also a Facebook partnership. This is less news and more product revision
Buddy, have you been on Aliexpress recently? It’s trivial to wire tiny cameras all over your body if you really wanted.
Not that it matters, I can point an 8K cinema camera at you in public, and you don’t legally get a say.
New art project!
This isn’t the case everywhere. Some places have laws with likeness rights if you try to use the footage in commercial productions.
Two-party consent states also attach legal consequences to secret voice recordings.
This is strictly legally speaking. People can and do violate the law.
Again you can record already without any led while “reading your messages” with your phone. Like I feel they did the expected and necessary.
Plus is not like there isn’t already available pens, USB chargers, watches or whatever they can come up secret cameras, like if the intention was to secretly record somebody they wouldn’t go with this ones disabling the led… plenty of better less suspicious alternatives.
The LED detects when it is blocked and the device refuses to function until it is unblocked. So no, working around that won’t be trivial, at least until somebody has found a workaround.
If Meta wanted to be really throughout with this, they could also keep record of how often there is an issue with the LED and brick the device and close your account if they detect tempering. The whole “trivial to disable” doesn’t fly in a world of closed ecosystem, locked down hardware and accounts requiring a real ID.
Also you can get spy cameras for $5 from Aliexpress anyway, so why even bother hacking this. Snapchat has some video recording glasses too if one needs an alternative.
The led is a simple transistor that happens to glow, just replace it
It took me a 3 second google search to find that it doesn’t work with the LED covered.
By the time you notice someone’s phone is out you’ve already been filmed. That’s status quo these days, it isn’t any creepier than every single person walking around with a camera in their pocket.
Exactly. The pearl-clutching over smart glasses is so misplaced. You’re already being recorded constantly in public, what’s the big deal?
Y’all use the same vocab religiously, I’m just gonna start training models and feeding it to bots to auto respond to y’all lmfao
Pearl clutching over new tech is the satanic panic of modern times
I imagine it wouldn’t take long until someone finds a way to disable that LED.
looks like a sharpie would do the trick
Doesn’t work while covered, there’s a sensor in the light
Spoof the measured sensor value
Right, trivial. Or just buy a tiny $4 spy camera off AliExpress lol
On the one hand I can’t remember the many people I see at work and would love heads-up display saying names, birthdays and reminding me what we spoke about.
On the other hand I don’t like cameras recording my socially embarrassing actions in the first place, let alone tell people who I am. Like hell I want Zuck to know what stupid shit I said 4 years ago to that one person I won’t see ever again.
What about adding some strong infrareds on your hat?
Aw yeah man, got any cool articles on how to assemble your own ;) maybe a little linky poo for the lazy to increase the number of people that’ll probably give it a go?
Not sure what did you stick up your ass but I hope it was worth the hassle.
What? I was being genuine and goofy…
Look at my other comments in this post alone
Y’all baffle me sometimes it’s truly wild.
I was goofy as well
Was just encouraging link posting for fun projects sorry I guess
Just saying, hidden cameras have been a thing long before the internet was invented
Bad people doing bad things is nothing new.
But these things allow good, otherwise well-intentioned, people, to become unwitting moles for Meta.
This is an excellent point +1
Already done by having Facebook, Threads, or Instagram on your phone
But even if I don’t, others will infringe on my privacy if they wear those glasses in my vicinity
Same if they record you on their phone.
I would argue that that’s more obvious, the phone/gopro/cemera is up there and you know you are potentially being recorded. Also that’s in the user’s control (i.e. they’ll need to intentionally record).
Here, given Meta’s greed, we could have a potential subtle and not so obvious recording/surveillance. How would you tell if someone passing by is recording, wearing glasses is pretty common.
So the tldr is that I argue it’s not the same because it’s not obvious and/or frequent as it is with a camera/phone
My argument is that there are not only things that people intentionally publish, but also audio and video recordings that may be being collected on people without their knowledge and could also capture other people near them.
The NY Post? Why not link to The Crackpot Gazette while you’re at it?
That’s not even a real thing!
“…look like a regular pair of Ray-Ban Wayfarers…”
So they’re rebranded Ray-Ban Stories
Which were Facebook branded/partnership.
I do think it’s weird those flew under the radar when people flipped out so much about Google Glass.
So this is just an ad, huh.
I don’t think “you can film everyone without then knowing” is something Facebook wants to advertise
Yes it is and they are hoping to sell a bunch of them for more than they are worth before the backlash gets loud enough and they have to stop. But it will give a big boost of sales for sure for a minute
What backlash has ever prevented Meta from doing absolutely whatever the fuck they want?
Incredibly funny to see the NY Post pretend that these glasses were just now “unveiled”. This line of camera-equipped glasses has been around for 2 years now.
It’s not funny. It’s predictable. They’re reporting it because Meta did it. Any time a large corporation does anything, it’s NEWS.
Meta did it last time also.
NYPost.
come on now
Out of the loop, do you need a facebook/meta account (if yes, how much info they requested) to use the glasses ?
Yes. And yes
Cant wait for the hackaday firmware
Exactly what I was thinking xD
You’re being filmed everywhere you go and you probably don’t even know it.
We’re all part of the Truman show.
Not everywhere - not yet.
Doesn’t make it ok.
Not right in your face at the bar while drunkenly discussing your most regretful one night stands tho.
This might actually be useful for when the cops pull you over. Or if you get bad service in a shop you’ll have a video of it.
This is exactly the kind of fear mongering that they are hoping people will buy into.
I’d never grass up a shop worker because I have working class solidarity even with those in bad moods, but the coppers is a good example. Maybe also for road cyclists, but they already have cameras if they want them.
Or for keeping your bosses honest, verbal contracts become an awful lot more binding with video evidence.
Private companies almost all have provisions in their IT use policy banning this, and they can do this on their property. Just like they can ban firearms. Disney restricts some kind of video recording at their parks because of creepers and pervs, not that Disney is a model of privacy just that it’s not uncommon.
The correct response would be, absent elected officials who act to protect consumers, for people to call out employers and companies who would allow this in their space, shaming them, then the product would die.
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Black mirror vibes
Downvote all news corpse articles
Now you might have an idea how a company making $0 is getting funded.
Google glass 2.0
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We were rightly worried about Google glass, we had no idea there was something even worse on the horizon
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Remember when Transmetropolitan made this seem cool
My home cameras had some update that required the LED to be on to indicate it was capturing video. This should be required on these products.
Nice bright and obvious blinking red LED in the bridge.
Which is kind of dumb, as it is easily bypassed with the super rare technology of “a piece of tape”.
‘You can now film everyone without them knowing’ Implying that we dont already have cameras always with us, and can perfectly do that.
Are you referring to phones or the CCTV monitoring culture…?
Yes!
Yeah I’m confused. I can already do this and no one notices. Start a stream on my iPhone, slip it into my shirt pocket with the camera facing forward. Never had anyone complain, and it’s easier to talk to my spouse about what they want from the store.
Not all surveillance is created equal.
A bunch of corporations been recording me and using my data for their own gain for a decade. Now you tell me some normie is going to record me? Do I care?
If someone has a convo with me while wearing these fake ray-bans, we’re gonna have heated words. Simple as.
It’s one thing to be surveiled at a place for security purposes, but someone wanting to record me has decided they don’t care about consent and that’s more disrespectful. I will not be held at the whims of someone who feels obligated to share everything, because they’re already broken inside to not care about anything but themselves.
That’s not how being in public works, mate…lol
Apparently their definition of “stylish” is vastly different from my definition.
WTF, this bargain-bin-level design.
they look like normal glasses wym?
They want to complain about the glasses, but all the salient points in the thread have been made, so they went with whatever.
So will they just not work in 2 party consent states?
Clearly the smart glasses wearer will just wear a shirt that outlines their TOS and that by interacting with them, you agree to be recorded.
I can’t imagine being friends or even acquaintances with a person who would want to live stream their POV as a day to day activity.
I wouldn’t either, although I can see the appeal for moment capture and some of the other cool features.
However I would never even consider this product, because it’s meta spyware garbage.
Now I have a fear of being filmed while scratching my nuts.
Might as well just start an OnlyFans and make some lemonade out of the situation.
Umm… what the hell is that thumbnail? i.imgur.com/0l2TAh3.png
Some girl eating pizza.
It’s the thumbnail provided by the article, found inside the html
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Red led is no longer required?
trivial to bypass
The same tech that can block a webcam camera can also be used to block a camera is active led.
I miss when CCTV was a world ending privacy concern. Its gotten so much worse in the last decade.
Perhaps one of the biggest advances in human knowledge is in how to make ultra-slick slippy-slopes for abstract ideas. It seems to me that the most common reason people give for accepting some new bullshit is that we already have some other bullshit which is worse. But it is the accumulation of additional bullshit that has gotten us into this mess. I’m referring mostly to sacrifices of privacy; and to loss of freedom of use in products and software; the ownership being replaced with ongoing fees and subscriptions. That kind of thing.
My cyberpunk future of me using a full head mask every time I’m out in public is getting closer.
NYPost is right wing trash.