Netflix officially removes Basic - the cheapest ad-free tier
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from 1984@lemmy.today to technology@lemmy.world on 19 Jul 2024 19:49
https://lemmy.today/post/13590306
from 1984@lemmy.today to technology@lemmy.world on 19 Jul 2024 19:49
https://lemmy.today/post/13590306
Netflix execs needs a new jet.
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Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Lemmy.world blocked that community, what’s the post about?
Piracy. Lemmy.world blocked piracy related subs since they are babies. Leave Lemmy world man. Come to the dark side
Its just a link to the community !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Ugh. I do like the idea of defederating in theory, but this is the third time I’m going to have move instances because something I want access to is blocked.
Is this just a ‘me’ problem or something everyone has to deal with from time to time?
Give up your universal account that accesses everywhere. Multiple accounts is the way.
We all gotta deal with it on any instance that is not your own. It’s not unheard of for people to create their own lemmy instance so they have exacting control over their federation.
It works well!
Do you have to maintain block lists for the really scuzzy instances? Just curious
I haven’t had any issues. Mods of the communities I’m subscribed to usually handle it before I even see it. I mainly only deferedate for political reasons, like Threads.
Indeed.
I have a simi-public instance, I made the decision to not federate with the NSFW instance as having [posable] non-consensual/underage manga/other content that is treated much harsher here than Piracy ( that is a pure civil thing here) and keep federation with !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
I had the same issue when initially coming to Lemmy, and made several accounts before I got so annoyed I did the research and chose an instance specifically for its federation/defederation policies; which led me to where I am now.
Lemmy.zip has defederated only illegal content such as csam and gore, as well as meta because fuck corporate.
I just generally dislike the idea of an arbitrary censorship list being applied to my content feed, I can choose and block myself.
I have both an account on Lemmy Zip and on Monero Town and both of those are really good about not defederating most things.
I also would rather manage what I block or federate to. I hate that Lemmy enables instances to have too much control over its users, deciding what you can and cannot see and admins can see your PMs too. I got fed up with Lemmy.world because of their federation fuckups, why would communities that talk about piracy but don’t link to anything cause an admin to get sued? They won’t, reddit allows more piracy talk than Lemmy.world does lmao. Obviously Nintendo searches through the fediverse for anyone even saying they pirated stuff, right guys?! Nah I just don’t care for their admins. I usually dont agree with whatever their admins say, I even saw someone from world complain about Lemmy.world policies on their thread and the user got their account deleted by an admin with a nice smug response from them. I can’t have my own instance since I don’t have the money to spare, otherwise I would since it is BS that Lemmy doesn’t allow users to have the same control over their feed as an admin.
What you’re complaining about is impossible to do without hosting your own instance. I’m not even talking about Lemmy here, in saying from a software perspective. Like you’d have to have local encryption keys only to prevent a host from reading your messages. And there’s no way anyone would just host whatever because the users want it.
I prefer end to end encryption, like in Matrix, Signal, SimpleX, etc. So I don’t use Lemmy for PMs since they are not actually private, hell I went quite a while where I stopped using Lemmy because it is not meant for someone interested in their own privacy despite the irony of having multiple privacy focused communities. If someone doesn’t want to host instances dedicated to CSAM I could see them wanting to defederate, but so far I’ve seen defederation used as a temper tantrum. It’s always over some stupid drama. If you don’t want to host whatever then what is the point of opening your instance to other people? I fail to see why someone would bother going through this trouble and then say no you can’t view this community meant for modifying your nintendo switch. Even reddit does not care as much as the instance owners on Lemmy do. It’s just baffling. Also good luck deleting your posts and comments. Ugh this convo makes me hate Lemmy again.
I never seem to have this issue on fedia.io
Time to run your own instance
Lemmy.world is hosted by real people, not corporations with tons of money to spend. Getting sued could potentially ruin the admin’s life, so it’s perfectly understandable.
Lemmy.world is hosted by real assholes
FTFY
There is literally zero possibility of them getting sued over this. It was nothing but a way to cement their hold as the biggest community. Yes, this makes me a hypocrite. I’m just too fucking lazy to switch.
Sorry, why would blocking piracy communities cement our hold on anything?
Just to be clear, I wasn’t involved in the choice to block piracy related communities, but I just don’t see how blocking them helps the hosts in any way except preventing legal disputes.
They blocked the whole instance when dbzero was easily one of the biggest and quickly growing when the influx was happening. It was completely unnecessary but maybe I’m just salty and reading too much into it tbh.
In the US, you can sue anyone for any reason, even if it’s frivolous.
You force the other side to respond, making them hire a lawyer to defend you, even if the case is dismissed on its merits.
I very much disagree with lemmy.world’s decision to block the community but I completely understand it. I exercised my right to move to a new instance in response.
I’m not even going to get into the lawsuit talk, because the problem from my perspective is that certain hosts will stop working with you if you get too many takedown notices.
If they actually consulted a lawyer, I’d be fine with the decision.
They did not. They make rash, uninformed decisions, based on feelings not reality, as a knee jerk reaction to other unrelated events.
So it’s not very understandable. They could have consulted a lawyer for less than a month of their hosting costs.
We’re not the dark side just because our flags are black 🤗
.world showed their true colors quickly, huh? Luckily there’s a host of other options.
What instance would you recommend?
I like dbzer0 but also really like sopuli.xyz and slrpnk.net. Oh also literature.cafe.
All of them have great uptime too.
Can’t go wrong with any of these. They’ve all got good local communities too.
+1 for sopuli. Chill, only defederates from meta, nazis and sketchy porn.
They linked the community, not a particular post.
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I would be pretty annoyed to let lemmy.world decide what I should read on the Lemmyverse :)
It’s that or being politically correct…
… what?
I’m on the particular community. It’s a Piracy community which has an entire megathread to everything related to Piracy, such as: movies, games, tv shows, software and anime.
We welcome all the new members that discover the free internet 🏴☠️
Hmm voyager shows me no posts in there (although i see them via browser). How come?
lemmy.world blocked this instance, maybe you openend it on the browser without being logged in?
Piracy is always a service issue
I haven’t pirated stuff in years but started again this year. It sucks that my favorite torrent site was shut down though.
RIP RARBG you are missed
therarbg.com is a good mirror/clone
I started last year again, after they killed the family plan if you don’t share a household. Instead of paying $10 to Netflix we now pay $7 for a 2TB cloud storage account where everyone uploads their pirated movies.
I use Jackett to reduce dependency on specific sites
I’m gonna look into this, thanks! 😄
I have a few go-tos foe different types of content but it’s always scary they might just stop existing one day.
…I mean…piracy’s bad m’kay 👀
Go for the Arr suite. Radarr for movies, Sonarr for series. They work well with Jackett, and actually have an even better (use comfort) alternative to it called Prowlarr. Once set up, maybe spending a couple hours understanding how they work, downloading a movie or a series is as easy as entering its name in a search field, seeing the related list (completely accurate), hitting add and watching the torrent start automatically. And if Jellyfin is configured as well, I can start watching whatever I downloaded with a couple clicks right away on any device I have Jellyfin, in full whichever quality my pre-set profile searched the torrent sites for. That’s quite the supply chain, centralized after landing on your host computer, streamable to any local devices or online devices, and can be automated to even search and download queries that come through discord messages.
Understanding the indexer stuff can take a little time at the start, but it is actually as easy as saying that Jackett/Prowlarr is just the middleman between you typing your movie name and searching through all torrent sites you want at the same time. The net has videos of using them if they look confusing at any point. Using Radarr/Sonarr themselves after setting up the indexers is as straightforward as using any streaming services.
That’s OK. I’ve already removed Netflix
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How do you watch TV shows and movie now ?
I just don’t watch many shows and a lot of the stuff coming out I don’t find that great anyway so I’d rather do something else with my time than pay more for worse service.
I personally buy the shows I want and rip them to my media server. It seems to be about $10/season, $10-15/movie, which I think is cheaper in the long run than paying for no-ads on these streaming services.
On top of that you get to keep the blu ray artworks and extras so pretty worth it i might say
Yup, and I can lend them to people as well. If I recommend someone, there’s a good chance I have it, and there’s also a good chance it’s not on whatever streaming platform they use.
I cancelled netflix when they removed atla
Line must go up at any cost.
The beatings shall continue until morale improves
Cool, I was planning to cancel this month anyway. I just finished ripping all of our DVDs and Blurays, so I have quite a bit of content ready to go. I have told my wife and kids I’ll buy whatever they want, within reason, and rip it to our private streaming service. I think we’ll end up saving quite a bit of money eventually this way, and we have no ads with our self-hosted video service.
What software are you using to self host and serve your library?
Don’t know about OP, but Plex works great! Get a Synology NAS and run your Plex server on that
Plex is pretty commercialized these days and I don’t doubt they’re likely selling your data.
Yeah, the server isn’t FOSS, so I’m not bothering. Jellyfin is FOSS and gets the job done.
Jellyfin. I was previously just using minidlna, but Jellyfin has an app for our TV and looks much nicer than the basic interface dlna offers.
I’m running it on an old PC running Linux, and it was pretty easy to set up.
Excellent choice. My jellyfin server is great, there are buggy things but I’m committed to the foss lifestyle
Jellyfin isn’t perfect, but by god it’s incredible! I’ve trued to contribute but the obly stuffeft is stuff I don’t fully understand :(
Maybe one day…
What are you using as a firewall?
Just what comes with my Linux distribution: firewalld. It seems to work well.
Thanks
Not only no ads but shit you actually want to watch and all right there no hopping from this service to that service to watch a frickin show
Yup. The main issue is exclusives, but most of those suck anyway. I told them we’ll give it a few months and see where we’re at.
But between the two, I’m spending $40/month to avoid ads, so it’s probably cheaper to just buy what we want to watch instead.
A 5TB portable hard drive only costs as much as three months and can hold most of the stuff you ACTUALLY wanna watch. To be fair, DVDs and BluRays can get expensive but at least that’s yours forever and you don’t have to worry about the studio suddenly deciding you need to subscribe to THEIR bullshit too. If it’s not available outside of streaming, well Gabe Newell said it best.
Yup. If I can get it legally to own, I will. If I can’t, I’ll find other methods…
I used Netflix because they had fantastic selection, a pretty decent UI, and good features on their apps. We recently went on a road trip, and both Disney+ and Netflix had “expired” our downloads (which we had downloaded like 2 weeks prior), so our kids couldn’t watch most of what we had planned for during the trip. So their features are lacking, pricing sucks, and selection is more limited than when I signed up.
So yeah, if I’m going to have crappy selection anyway, I’ll just buy what I want and save the monthly sub.
I’ve tried ripping my DVDs and can’t get it to work. Can you share details on how you did that?
I use Handbrake or MakeMKV depending on the disc. MakeMKV I mostly use for Bluray, Sometimes the odd DVD doesn’t work correctly with Handbrake.
In Handbrake, I just select the Quality and keep original Audio source, I’ve not needed to change any of settings.
If you use MakeMKV, Its “raw” so large file size (Some Bluray files I’ve had are like 40GB), You can run that file through Handbrake to reduce it.
This may be more involved than most people are willing to go but just wanna add:
Bonus: Look into Jellyfin for a streaming service like interface
I should try Handbrake. I’ve been using MakeMKV and Movavi. If you can rip and convert in Handbrake all at once, that would save me a bunch of time.
Yarr!
🏴☠️
Every time I hear something about Netflix I always wonder how it is even still running. Still wild to me that they had the entire monopoly on streaming and fucked it up anyways.
In their defense, they didn’t fuck it up (at first), media publishers saw there was money in streaming and decided that they wanted a bigger slice of the pie. When everyone is trying to take the whole pie for themselves, no one ends up with any pie.
However pretty much every move they have done in the past 5 ish years has been fucking it up.
No they screwed the pooch hard in the beginning. They could have bought up rights to basically everything for pennies compared to what it is worth now because of the leverage they had before any of those media publishers had options elsewhere.
Netflix was literally in the position to tell them what the price was back then and now they have nothing to bargain with because the market is saturated.
But wouldn’t them buying all the rights to “basically everything” incentivise them more to jack up prices and include ads since the user base has no legal alternatives ?
We will never know considering what they did instead.
That’s basically what Netflix did in the beginning. The challenge for Netflix is that the media companies they were licensing content from weren’t dumb, so the licensing agreements were time limited. The media companies caught up and built their own streaming platforms and now Netflix is at the receiving end of disintermediation.
Netflix didn’t fuck their monopoly up. They just didn’t have an eternal technological moat. Their monopoly had an expiration date which is why they shifted to content generation.
Nowadays the problem they face is that there isn’t enough people on the planet to grow forever, so in order to keep growing they have to squeeze harder.
Their content is terrible tough, there they did drop the ball.
Maybe a lot of their content is terrible but Delicious in Dungeon is a work of art!
I think they make like 200 shows a year, so sometimes they actually make good stuff by accident
I don’t watch a lot of TV so it’s enough for me. Although to be honest if my partner ever gets smart and leaves me I’ll drop all streaming and just use i2p. 😆
I already have a Jellyfin setup like that but that also means I can watch that stuff from Netflix. I heard you can use i2p for torrenting (only Linux ISOs, of course) instead of a VPN, is that what you mean? I currently use a VPN for that.
i2p is a bit like Tor. Both are overlay networks, meaning that they use the “normal” Internet as their lowest layer. They use similar method of obfuscation using multiple hops.
i2p doesn’t rely on special nodes, I think, which Tor does. i2p also does not connect to the “normal” Internet (basically).
Like with Tor there is no need for a VPN (or rather, little need for a VPN… probably both i2p and Tor are safer than any VPN, but nothing is 100% safe, so some people use double VPN, or Tor over a VPN).
Tor is not designed for torrenting. It assumes TCP connections - mostly for web stuff - and doesn’t handle torrent well. They also don’t want you bogging down the system with your filthy porn. 😆
i2p solves this by forcing you to send data for other users in order to download anything. This helps make your traffic harder to track and helps the overall network. It also means that downloads are slow. Very slow. Like, basically start your download and come back in a day or two. Not a problem if you have four or five downloads in progress, but it makes spontaneous watching impossible.
Anyway, I’m hardly an expert but this is my understanding!
Seems like everything they made that was good was cancelled after one season. I dumped them for that, then they went all greed and now I hit the high seas if there’s something I really want to watch.
All good shows that don’t blow up to Stranger Things levels get cancelled and the recommendation algorithm prioritizes mediocre over great. Why would I pay for that 🤷♂️
It’s the Fox model, which is what killed Firefly.
Airing episodes out of order didn’t help either
Came late to the party for Firefly but I’ve watched it. Fuck whoever decided to cancel it.
There are over 8 billion people on the planet and Netflix is an international company. If they decided to not fuck around and find out they could have had the majority of that market for pennies and held it well past today.
They had the monopoly on a golden platter and fucked it up. If they were smart they would have cemented that position.
Seriously. I was subscribed from the time they first started streaming… And then years later they remove the entire rating system, and replace it with a system clearly intended to confuse and manipulate their users into thinking they have better and more plentiful content.
I dropped Netflix then and there, and never looked back. They stopped being a great service at that specific moment.
And that’s why I have a VPN, so I can yo-ho-ho with a bottle of fuck you!
That is the best sentence I’ve ever seen.
I can’t take credit, it’s a joke I stole from Civvie11 (Amazing game review show, I highly recommend it, especially if you like Boomer Shooters)
The show has the attitude of “If you fail to provide a way to legally obtain your product, you have no right to gain angry when someone pirates it.” and constantly brings this up when it reviews games like Nintendo’s Geist or Activision’s Wolfenstein remake (Which since Activision and ID Software are owned by the same company now could be re-released without issue, but for some reason they’re just not)
High seas my peeps
This is the way. The only no-bullshit media platform is the one on your hard drive.
We are officially round the circle.
From cable tv with ad breaks to streaming ad-free and back to streaming with ad breaks.
don’t forget about the ‘bundles’. lock you in to paying for six to keep you from service hopping.
This was always the plan.
And that’s why I just cancelled Disney+ and Netflix. They were reasonably priced before, so I subbed. They hiked, so I left. Just those two together (Disney+ bundle + Netflix no-adds) was almost $40, which when added to my internet package, would basically be paying for cable.
So instead of that noise, I’m self-hosting. Screw 'em.
What is Netflix?
Is it that thing that shows up before I watch whatever the fuck I want on one of the dozens of free streaming sites?
Arrr matey.
I have a media server that I use and if I’m going to watch something I think that’s the only way to go. With things being the way they are though I’m starting to think that we should just return to books. The “content” industry is just a gambit to extract money from people while turning their brains off.
Streaming sites? My brother in Christ, you need to ditch those unreliable websites that hardly work and go down all the time, and get a proper media center setup. Here are some terms to look up to get you started:
That’s the basic setup you’ll want for a proper good time. Instantly stream any show or movie from any provider for free (Netflix, Disney, Prime Video, HBO, Apple TV, etc.). Get recommendations based on your viewing habits. Compatible with all your devices, including smart TVs. Torrent-based so it won’t get taken offline (at least not anytime soon). Torrents are already stored on a server so there’s no waiting on seeds (which is what Real-Debrid does. Optional and $3/mo but it makes the experience much smoother, especially if you want to watch something older/more obscure. And it eliminates the need for a VPN. Plus it works for any torrent, not just media).
Trust me, this is the way to go. Once you get everything set up, it’s so easy and straightforward to use that my grandmother could navigate Stremio and not even know that it’s a pirate service. Good luck and happy sailing. 🏴☠️
I watched furiosa in HD 2 weeks ago.
Zero problems.
I watched house of dragons a few nights ago, no problem.
Last night I watched the original episode of ancient aliens no problem.
I use Firefox, bookmarks (many sites exist), and ublock, and a proxy.
I spend zero dollars. I have zero problems.
I have all the things.
When all the sites get banned, I might take more drastic measure. For now, I have no problem even when one or 10 sites go down.
Stremio is easier and paying is optional
send a message, cancel and hit the high seas like we did before they came out.
Own your files. Play them in native resolution. Accept no compromises.
Since you say native resolution I assume you mean the highest resolution and bitrate available. Because playing the native resolution of a DVD is way way worse than streaming.
Buying everything on Blu-ray and 4K Blu-ray would be very expensive if you watch. It’s also not very convenient.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with buying Blu-ray’s but don’t pretend it’s the perfect solution to all the problems.
Idk, the cheapest Netflix streaming service w/o ads is $15.50/month. Most Blurays are $10-15. So each Bluray is something like a month of Netflix.
If you watch a lot of movies/TV shows and almost never rewatch them, then yeah, maybe a streaming service is a good option. But if you need multiple streaming services to get the content you want, the appeal of just buying physical media increases. My kids mostly watch the same handful of TV series, so I have cancelled our subscriptions (totaling $40 or so) and now I just buy the shows they want.
I mean torrenting.
You said “own” though.
I pirate too but it’s not ownership.
I don’t correlate purchase with ownership.
Infact by removing the DRM I think I own my media to a far greater extent than I would if I purchased it legally.
I already used Stream Fab to get Dark off there, so whatever.
(Dark was so good, I do appreciate the risks the old Netflix took on some programming, even if the company is busy burning that goodwill now.)
I LOVE this bit:
We’re hitting our self defined goals JUST fine guys!
Seems reasonable from a business point of view. They are approaching a saturation point and changing how they make money so shifting the KPIs only makes sense.
What does a member slot mean by the way? Is it a person (as in if you want seperate recommendations for you, your wife and kid you pay for two more slots) or is it a home (as in your family, the grandparets, friends you share the account with etc. since they started cracking down on password sharing. Obligatory never had or even used netflix (other than seeing a few movies at friends’ places)
I’m guessing it’s for additional households because they disabled password sharing.
I quit netflix recently after almost 10 years of continuous subscription. When they raised the price again it was a good Occasion although not the reason. I think so was done with it for a while now.
I guess I’ll start reading books again - or watch a few films instead of stretched out series.
I’ve officially removed Netflix
Net what?
My Netflix is called rutracker, your Netflix is called The Pirate Bay
My Netflix is called Jellyfin With Suspiciously Acquired Media From Dubious Corners of the Internet.
My Netflix is called aMule, fopnu and qBitTorrent with search plugins.
Already canceled a long time ago. When I subbed they had all the good shows in one spot. Then everything got split up among others services and it was no longer worth it.
Plus the content they make themselves is hit or miss. And the misses are in far bigger numbers.
Seems like they brought themselves to a spot where growing more is very hard so they start messing with subscriptions to get more money.
Just curious what they are going to do when that stops working, because I think the next step is just to realize more growth is very hard. And anything they change may add subscribers but it may also cause them to leave, so they have to turn the knobs very carefully.
Such a waste of time
And people will bitch and moan on the Internet, pay up, and repeat the process next time they try this.
The stock is doing good so there must be plenty of people thinking Netflix is essential. And I guess it is if you have no tech skills at all.
I don’t have a subscription myself, but if I want to watch something they have, I’d rather pay up than spending my time trying to figure out how to pirate it.
For me, it’s less about technical ability, and more about how I spend my time.
But all you have to do to pirate it is to visit a website…