I’ve been looking at building a new pc for my wife, and unless I’ve completely misunderstood everything, Intel’s newest CPUs don’t really seem that good anyway.
Intel thought they could get away with their usual MO of “make a leap forward in technology and slowly meter it out over time” forever. Now that we’re running into physics limitations, AMD has fully caught up and even sprinted past Intel for certain workloads.
I used to prefer Intel+nvidia for pc builds, but when the last generation of the Core lineup fell a bit flat I built a Ryzen+Radeon setup that’s been kicking ass for years.
I’m content to just let Intel hang themselves with their own rope.
That’s in line with what I’ve been able to figure out from benchmarks, so thank you for confirming that. Also, fuck Intel for coming up with a new, and even dumber naming scheme for their newest CPUs, when the old way worked fine (Not that I’m a fan of how AMD names their CPUs…)
They’re not really that great compared to AMD for the most part. Plus rumor is that AMDs next gen is a lot further ahead of Intel. Then again, it depends on how good of a deal you get on them and if power efficiency is a priority (I’ve heard that Intel still is pretty decent in that regard). That being said don’t get any of their 13th or 14th gen CPUs, that’s part of what has led to their current state of affairs.
BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world
on 30 Aug 11:31
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My 13700K is still going strong for now, but it sucks to know it’s probably on a timer. I’m definitely jumping ship for AMD in my next rebuild.
My 6700k isn’t showing any signs of slowing down, so your timer is probably a ways away
BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world
on 30 Aug 20:08
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Yours is probably in better shape than mine. The 13 and 14 series specifically had a design flaw in the microcode that overvolts them. They slowly burn out over time, and the damage is irreversible.
Earlier processors aren’t affected. It’s specific to this series. But the only “fix” is a microcode patch that nerfs performance, so I’d rather just ride it out and switch to AMD.
Intel has been clearly less reliable than AMD the past few generations, and from what I’ve seen on current gen, for similar performance in gaming Intel uses twice the power.
If you can get Intel dirt cheap, it may be an OK option, if you are on a tight budget. If it’s for gaming, the focus should be mostly on the GPU.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world
on 30 Aug 05:11
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Anandtech had a great saying:
There are no bad products, just bad prices.
Performance wise, Intel CPUs were just fine at the right price, no matter what manufacturing drama is going on. Don’t get me wrong, all my recent CPU purchases have been AMD, but not because of brand loyalty or anything; it’s because they were on sale and great for the price.
scottmeme@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Aug 22:15
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I’m happy to see ARM gaining enough traction these days to be a solid alternative to x64. I’m happy to run it for server workloads but I’m skeptical it’s ready to replace my AMD PC desktop.
Granted, I haven’t been paying super close attention to the state of the art for the past few years, but from what I gather Apple was a major catalyst in the uptake of ARM for the desktop. Ironically, we have Intel’s abysmal Skylake QC to thank for that 😅
How is Linux ARM support these days? Any particularly outstanding distro that shines on ARM?
sheogorath@lemmy.world
on 30 Aug 19:59
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Hopefully that’ll keep AMD from being complacent so they won’t end up being Intel 2.0
ozymandias117@lemmy.world
on 31 Aug 00:01
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There aren’t any ARM manufacturers that upstream their drivers, and no SystemReady support from any manufacturers
Basically every package works on ARM, but the lack of manufacturer support for hardware means ARM effectively requires a special kernel build for every PC
RaspberryPi has worked on upstreaming their Broadcom SoC, Collabora had worked on upstreaming the RK3588 SoC…
None of Qualcomm’s recent chips are very usable (always missing something like audio, or other basic functionality)
Asahi Linux worked on Apple M1/M2 support
Unless a new ARM manufacturer comes along, general use ARM PCs are a long way away
I left intel once Ryzen came out and reviewed well, since their motherboards were going to be supported for multiple generations. It paid off since after a CPU upgrade I don’t see myself upgrading until the next gen consoles come out and drive up system requirements. Which won’t be for a few years.
MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world
on 29 Aug 23:12
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In the commonwealth, that would make it a Crown Corporation.
singletona@lemmy.world
on 30 Aug 05:03
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Anyone remember when republicans were screeching murder over Obama bailing industries out?
Shortstack@reddthat.com
on 30 Aug 09:11
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Nationalizing any big company is kinda funny from the administration pushing to privatize everything else for their rich buddies to run
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Well, looks like PC I build in the future will feature AMD chips.
I’ve been looking at building a new pc for my wife, and unless I’ve completely misunderstood everything, Intel’s newest CPUs don’t really seem that good anyway.
You understand it fine.
Intel thought they could get away with their usual MO of “make a leap forward in technology and slowly meter it out over time” forever. Now that we’re running into physics limitations, AMD has fully caught up and even sprinted past Intel for certain workloads.
I used to prefer Intel+nvidia for pc builds, but when the last generation of the Core lineup fell a bit flat I built a Ryzen+Radeon setup that’s been kicking ass for years.
I’m content to just let Intel hang themselves with their own rope.
That’s in line with what I’ve been able to figure out from benchmarks, so thank you for confirming that. Also, fuck Intel for coming up with a new, and even dumber naming scheme for their newest CPUs, when the old way worked fine (Not that I’m a fan of how AMD names their CPUs…)
They’re not really that great compared to AMD for the most part. Plus rumor is that AMDs next gen is a lot further ahead of Intel. Then again, it depends on how good of a deal you get on them and if power efficiency is a priority (I’ve heard that Intel still is pretty decent in that regard). That being said don’t get any of their 13th or 14th gen CPUs, that’s part of what has led to their current state of affairs.
My 13700K is still going strong for now, but it sucks to know it’s probably on a timer. I’m definitely jumping ship for AMD in my next rebuild.
My 6700k isn’t showing any signs of slowing down, so your timer is probably a ways away
Yours is probably in better shape than mine. The 13 and 14 series specifically had a design flaw in the microcode that overvolts them. They slowly burn out over time, and the damage is irreversible.
Earlier processors aren’t affected. It’s specific to this series. But the only “fix” is a microcode patch that nerfs performance, so I’d rather just ride it out and switch to AMD.
I forgot about that, that’s tuff
Intel has been clearly less reliable than AMD the past few generations, and from what I’ve seen on current gen, for similar performance in gaming Intel uses twice the power.
If you can get Intel dirt cheap, it may be an OK option, if you are on a tight budget. If it’s for gaming, the focus should be mostly on the GPU.
Anandtech had a great saying:
Performance wise, Intel CPUs were just fine at the right price, no matter what manufacturing drama is going on. Don’t get me wrong, all my recent CPU purchases have been AMD, but not because of brand loyalty or anything; it’s because they were on sale and great for the price.
I’m looking at thread ripper now for my rebuild.
My next build will probably be ARM but I’m hoping for risc-v.
I’m happy to see ARM gaining enough traction these days to be a solid alternative to x64. I’m happy to run it for server workloads but I’m skeptical it’s ready to replace my AMD PC desktop.
Granted, I haven’t been paying super close attention to the state of the art for the past few years, but from what I gather Apple was a major catalyst in the uptake of ARM for the desktop. Ironically, we have Intel’s abysmal Skylake QC to thank for that 😅
How is Linux ARM support these days? Any particularly outstanding distro that shines on ARM?
Hopefully that’ll keep AMD from being complacent so they won’t end up being Intel 2.0
There aren’t any ARM manufacturers that upstream their drivers, and no SystemReady support from any manufacturers
Basically every package works on ARM, but the lack of manufacturer support for hardware means ARM effectively requires a special kernel build for every PC
RaspberryPi has worked on upstreaming their Broadcom SoC, Collabora had worked on upstreaming the RK3588 SoC…
None of Qualcomm’s recent chips are very usable (always missing something like audio, or other basic functionality)
Asahi Linux worked on Apple M1/M2 support
Unless a new ARM manufacturer comes along, general use ARM PCs are a long way away
discourse.ubuntu.com/t/…/66277
Maybe not that far.
That doesn’t fix the problem of needing specific device tree files for every computer.
So you still won’t be able to say, swap your WiFi chip in your laptop and still have it work.
This just enables a small subset of (specifically Windows ARM laptops) to boot from an image.
This is very different from x86, where ACPI allows you to have a single image that knows very little about the hardware.
If ARM started using SystemReady, you could see a truly generic image, rather than having a specific list of laptops the “generic” image works with
I’ve been on AMD CPUs for all my recent PCs, generally cheaper and just as good.
I left intel once Ryzen came out and reviewed well, since their motherboards were going to be supported for multiple generations. It paid off since after a CPU upgrade I don’t see myself upgrading until the next gen consoles come out and drive up system requirements. Which won’t be for a few years.
In the commonwealth, that would make it a Crown Corporation.
Anyone remember when republicans were screeching murder over Obama bailing industries out?
Nationalizing any big company is kinda funny from the administration pushing to privatize everything else for their rich buddies to run
That’s because this is just a way to get something for their rich buddies to run but with the government paying for it.
The problem with conservatism is you eventually run out of others peoples stuff to sell.
MAGA is going Socialist! Maybe there is a silver lining here.
They should go after Starlink and Space X next. After all, we paid for ALL of it, it really belongs to us.
He can keep Tesla. It will be bankrupt in 2 years anyway.