Other article specified pneumonia was post intubation
Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works
on 03 May 2024 15:39
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This sounds almost exactly like what happened to a colleague of mine last year. Guy aspirated some food. Lead to an infection. Turned into pneumonia. Died.
pandapoo@sh.itjust.works
on 03 May 2024 14:10
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Itās the chain of events that could be suspicious, or totally random.
A person has trouble breathing, which could have been induced, or just bad luck, then goes to hospital and dies of MRSA - which also could have been induced, or just bad luck.
The most logical explanation is that bad things happen to people all the time and itās usually not murder.
However, because of the widespread press coverage of the previous āsuicideā, it makes sense that if additional whistleblowers were being killed, that the methods would grow increasingly complex and obfuscated.
Remember, these were all long time employees. Boeing is going to have all sorts of information on them, including their medical history and thatās not even factoring in the resources they have available.
Itās not hard to imagine that they would know how to create a situation where a person gets hospitalized, without causing suspicion, and have the resources to finish them off inside that hospital with something like a rapid MRSA infection.
Or maybe all this means is that corporations really are people and Boeing is the reincarnation of Jesus Christ. Now, God is an enacting revenge on the people who have testified against his favorite son, and our Savior: Jesus Boeing Christ.
billiam0202@lemmy.world
on 03 May 2024 15:55
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However, because of the widespread press coverage of the previous āsuicideā, it makes sense that if additional whistleblowers were being killed, that the methods would grow increasingly complex and obfuscated.
This only matters if 1) you donāt want anyone to know it was you, or 2) you want people to know it was you to send a message, and youāre not afraid of any repercussions.
pandapoo@sh.itjust.works
on 03 May 2024 17:24
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If youāre Boeing, or even just a rogue Boeing executive/team, the best way to make sure you fail at this would be to leave an obvious trail of bodies.
These ambiguous deaths are plausibly unrelated enough to justify no one looking too closely, but are clear enough for their intended audience.
Hell, even if Boeing just got insanely āluckyā and these two deaths are as they appear, itās still going to have a massive chilling effect on anyone else who might have been considering coming forward.
NESSI3@lemmy.sdf.org
on 03 May 2024 10:13
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Liz@midwest.social
on 03 May 2024 14:15
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He died from a MRSA infection, which can and does kill people at any stage of life. That shit is everywhere, but whether you get sick or not is kinda a crap shoot.
just_another_person@lemmy.world
on 03 May 2024 15:14
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MRSA is not that common. Most people get it from contact in medical facilities, but some people (very few) do carry it around.
When someone contracts it and becomes seriously ill, it usually means they werenāt a carrier to begin with, or had an immunodeficiency that allowed the pathogen to overtake an equilibrium with their immune system. They do hardcore contact tracing if someone actually dies from it, and if nobody around this guy had itā¦quite suspicious. Thatās all Iām saying.
Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de
on 03 May 2024 18:13
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He was sick in hospital with pneumonia, before he got MRSA though. In hospitals thereās a higher chance to catch MRSA, especially if someone is already weakened by a severe lung infection.
deranger@sh.itjust.works
on 03 May 2024 22:26
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Iād like one example where MRSA has been used for bioterrorism. Never heard of it when I was a medical lab tech in the military, nor as a medical lab scientist later in my life. Bioterrorism is extremely rare, and MRSA is a poor choice for a biological weapon.
E. coli O157:H7 would be a better choice, or Vibrio, or really any of the enteric pathogens introduced to food or water supplies.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 04 May 2024 07:45
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Well, the 1984 bioterror attack associated with the Rajneeshee was done with salmonella. The question this raises is if there are any advantages to cultivating it as an assassinās weapon.
Iām not saying I know it is, only that the two associated deaths make for a pretty amazing coincidence.
deranger@sh.itjust.works
on 04 May 2024 19:49
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Salmonella is not MRSA (methicillin resistant Staphylococcus aureus). The point I was trying to make is Staph isnāt a good bioterrorism agent. It doesnāt spread like weaponized anthrax, itās not particularly deadly, and it canāt be spread by food/water like the enteric pathogens. Itās just not suitable or weād have researched the fuck out of it at USAMRIID.
Capitao_Duarte@lemmy.eco.br
on 03 May 2024 19:56
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They seem to have taken a page from Death Note
TimeSquirrel@kbin.social
on 03 May 2024 12:04
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Hey guys, unless I missed Boeing getting into biological warfare, I'm pretty sure an infection had nothing to do with them. It's funny to circlejerk though, I know.
lanolinoil@lemmy.world
on 03 May 2024 13:26
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you can point and laugh all you want but the real meat of this story is that trust in our institutions is this low.
STOMPYI@lemmy.world
on 03 May 2024 13:29
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Would you trust your baby alone in the woods with a random man or a Boeing exec?
TunaCowboy@lemmy.world
on 03 May 2024 13:45
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MonkderDritte@feddit.de
on 03 May 2024 14:16
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Execs have the most psychopats and narcicists, so the chances of them abandoning the kid are high.
billiam0202@lemmy.world
on 03 May 2024 15:51
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They wouldnāt abandon a child.
They would use the child as much as possible to save themselves. Noisemaker for a search party, small hands to reach into tight spaces, easy bear escape mechanism, etc.
Crackhappy@lemmy.world
on 03 May 2024 19:34
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A bear. I choose a bear.
LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world
on 03 May 2024 13:34
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Isnāt that exactly what Repubicans did with the election?
-Make a bunch of baseless claims of fraud
-āLook guys we need to do something, trust in the election process is low!ā
lanolinoil@lemmy.world
on 03 May 2024 14:00
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Well yeah ā The loss of decorum in the ruling class/aristocracy started rolling down the hill with Newt. Once you get a Caeser itās just a matter of time before your Nero shows up.
Empricorn@feddit.nl
on 03 May 2024 13:33
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What a dumb strawman, youāre guessing just like everyone else! Absolutely no oneās saying they manufacture bioweapons. But one of the biggest companies ever, with almost 80 billion in revenue each year definitely has access to shady methods, even if they wouldnāt put it on itemized expenses reports.
1 whistleblower dying before they can testify is a huge coincidence, 2 is an extraordinary one.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 03 May 2024 15:16
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Yeahā¦ Customs and Border Patrol wrote this article using MRSA as an example of a biological/terror threat.
STOMPYI@lemmy.world
on 03 May 2024 15:20
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Youāre missing a lot.
fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de
on 05 May 2024 00:22
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Yeah you did miss s few things.
w2tpmf@sh.itjust.works
on 03 May 2024 22:46
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Boing is starting to have a bigger mysterious trail of bodies around them than Hilary Clinton.
Tick_Dracy@lemm.ee
on 04 May 2024 11:18
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As someone whoās not following šŗšø news, what does that (Hilary) part means?
ilinamorato@lemmy.world
on 04 May 2024 11:26
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Thereās a conspiracy theory (not entirely without merit, but generally assumed to be baseless) that people with negative information about the Clintons end up dead suspiciously. Epstein was one such person, under this theory.
andros_rex@lemmy.world
on 04 May 2024 12:11
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Why didnāt they kill Monica? This conspiracy theory is actual garbage.
Both of the Clintons are garbage human beings who didnāt/donāt deserve to be in office (which is true of most politicians). Bill definitely coerced women into sex. But when the loudest critics of the Clintons are tinfoil loons, it takes all of the air out of the room.
ilinamorato@lemmy.world
on 04 May 2024 12:37
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Thatās the biggest hole in the theory for me. If theyāre willing to disappear people, there are a lot of people they seem to have missed.
Thereās a sort of counter theory that says that the Clintons themselves started the conspiracy theory as a way of putting all Clinton dissent under the heading of a conspiracy, and honestly I find that much more believable.
I never heard of that. and for the Eipstein, I always associated his info with powerful people, but not specifically with the Clintons ą² _ą²
ilinamorato@lemmy.world
on 05 May 2024 00:20
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Right, there are a lot of possible names to blame for Epstein for sure. Like I said, itās a theory thatās largely considered to be baseless. The Clintons have a lot of faults, but I havenāt seen any indication that theyāre into assassinations.
andros_rex@lemmy.world
on 04 May 2024 11:29
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āThe Congressional Record (1994) stated that the compiler of the original list, Linda Thompson, admitted she had āāno direct evidenceā of Clinton killing anyone. Indeed, she says the deaths were probably caused by āpeople trying to control the presidentā but refuses to say who they were.ā
āSeveral sources have discredited the conspiracy theory, such as the Congressional Record,[4] the Lakeland Ledger, the Chicago Tribune, Snopes and others, pointing to detailed death records, the unusually large circle of associates that a president is likely to have, and the fact that many of the people listed had been misidentified or were still alive. Others had no known link to the Clintons.ā
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Covid?
Lupus. He needed more mouse bites.
I am also in this comment thread.
Not a doctor here, but fulminant meningitis can kill a person in about 24/48 hours even if treated, for example.
lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/8500678
He went to the hostpital for trouble breathing.
In the hospital he was intubated. He got pneumonia and then MRSA in his blood.
If pneumonia got him into the hospital he couldāve gotten MRSA in the hospital.
Other article specified pneumonia was post intubation
This sounds almost exactly like what happened to a colleague of mine last year. Guy aspirated some food. Lead to an infection. Turned into pneumonia. Died.
All that happened within 1 week.
Itās also a really common result of COVID
Itās the chain of events that could be suspicious, or totally random.
A person has trouble breathing, which could have been induced, or just bad luck, then goes to hospital and dies of MRSA - which also could have been induced, or just bad luck.
The most logical explanation is that bad things happen to people all the time and itās usually not murder.
However, because of the widespread press coverage of the previous āsuicideā, it makes sense that if additional whistleblowers were being killed, that the methods would grow increasingly complex and obfuscated.
Remember, these were all long time employees. Boeing is going to have all sorts of information on them, including their medical history and thatās not even factoring in the resources they have available.
Itās not hard to imagine that they would know how to create a situation where a person gets hospitalized, without causing suspicion, and have the resources to finish them off inside that hospital with something like a rapid MRSA infection.
Or maybe all this means is that corporations really are people and Boeing is the reincarnation of Jesus Christ. Now, God is an enacting revenge on the people who have testified against his favorite son, and our Savior: Jesus Boeing Christ.
This only matters if 1) you donāt want anyone to know it was you, or 2) you want people to know it was you to send a message, and youāre not afraid of any repercussions.
If youāre Boeing, or even just a rogue Boeing executive/team, the best way to make sure you fail at this would be to leave an obvious trail of bodies.
These ambiguous deaths are plausibly unrelated enough to justify no one looking too closely, but are clear enough for their intended audience.
Hell, even if Boeing just got insanely āluckyā and these two deaths are as they appear, itās still going to have a massive chilling effect on anyone else who might have been considering coming forward.
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Something something 3 times is a pattern
Would you trust your baby alone in the woods with a random man or a Boeing exec?
Boeing exec. Baby has no insider knowledge. Should be safe.
Once is happenstance, twice is a coincidence, three times is enemy action
This surely happened in Russiaā¦ oh, waitā¦
Looks like Boeing is just taking a page right out of Russians books and doing obvious murders in the open now.
I wonder if Boeing uses Novichok as well.
Have the obvious suspects been arrested? Eh, I mean, like a few hundreds of people on central roles in a very big company. No.
Been arrested for giving him pneumonia? Orā¦?
He died from a MRSA infection, which can and does kill people at any stage of life. That shit is everywhere, but whether you get sick or not is kinda a crap shoot.
MRSA is not that common. Most people get it from contact in medical facilities, but some people (very few) do carry it around.
When someone contracts it and becomes seriously ill, it usually means they werenāt a carrier to begin with, or had an immunodeficiency that allowed the pathogen to overtake an equilibrium with their immune system. They do hardcore contact tracing if someone actually dies from it, and if nobody around this guy had itā¦quite suspicious. Thatās all Iām saying.
He was sick in hospital with pneumonia, before he got MRSA though. In hospitals thereās a higher chance to catch MRSA, especially if someone is already weakened by a severe lung infection.
Absolutely, my toddler had MRSA within a few days after he was born and its most likely due to some contamination or something to the effect.
Hospitals are a severe breeding grounds for resistant bacterial strains via sewage.
Itās less of a crap shoot when itās intentionally used as a weapon.
cbp.gov/ā¦/natural-enemies-how-cbp-battles-bioterrā¦
Iād like one example where MRSA has been used for bioterrorism. Never heard of it when I was a medical lab tech in the military, nor as a medical lab scientist later in my life. Bioterrorism is extremely rare, and MRSA is a poor choice for a biological weapon.
E. coli O157:H7 would be a better choice, or Vibrio, or really any of the enteric pathogens introduced to food or water supplies.
Well, the 1984 bioterror attack associated with the Rajneeshee was done with salmonella. The question this raises is if there are any advantages to cultivating it as an assassinās weapon.
Iām not saying I know it is, only that the two associated deaths make for a pretty amazing coincidence.
Salmonella is not MRSA (methicillin resistant Staphylococcus aureus). The point I was trying to make is Staph isnāt a good bioterrorism agent. It doesnāt spread like weaponized anthrax, itās not particularly deadly, and it canāt be spread by food/water like the enteric pathogens. Itās just not suitable or weād have researched the fuck out of it at USAMRIID.
They seem to have taken a page from Death Note
Hey guys, unless I missed Boeing getting into biological warfare, I'm pretty sure an infection had nothing to do with them. It's funny to circlejerk though, I know.
you can point and laugh all you want but the real meat of this story is that trust in our institutions is this low.
Would you trust your baby alone in the woods with a random man or a Boeing exec?
Is there a bear option?
Sorry. Bears have mysteriously shot themselves in the head.
How high off the ground are we talking?
At least 4 bears ā¦
Shit. Whatās that in camels?
Funny enough itās still 4. Now frogs, frogs are different. Frogs lay eggs so taking that into account its 100 frogs.
Damn camels v frogs. Gets me every time!
No ā Iām not saying we should trust our current institutions, nor that I trust them, but it does seem to be a big problem
I hear ya and am with yaā¦
Execs have the most psychopats and narcicists, so the chances of them abandoning the kid are high.
They wouldnāt abandon a child.
They would use the child as much as possible to save themselves. Noisemaker for a search party, small hands to reach into tight spaces, easy bear escape mechanism, etc.
A bear. I choose a bear.
Isnāt that exactly what Repubicans did with the election?
-Make a bunch of baseless claims of fraud
-āLook guys we need to do something, trust in the election process is low!ā
Well yeah ā The loss of decorum in the ruling class/aristocracy started rolling down the hill with Newt. Once you get a Caeser itās just a matter of time before your Nero shows up.
www.c-span.org/video/?430052-2/partisan-politics-ā¦!
What a dumb strawman, youāre guessing just like everyone else! Absolutely no oneās saying they manufacture bioweapons. But one of the biggest companies ever, with almost 80 billion in revenue each year definitely has access to shady methods, even if they wouldnāt put it on itemized expenses reports.
1 whistleblower dying before they can testify is a huge coincidence, 2 is an extraordinary one.
Yeahā¦ Customs and Border Patrol wrote this article using MRSA as an example of a biological/terror threat.
cbp.gov/ā¦/natural-enemies-how-cbp-battles-bioterrā¦
Youāre missing a lot.
Yeah you did miss s few things.
Boing is starting to have a bigger mysterious trail of bodies around them than Hilary Clinton.
As someone whoās not following šŗšø news, what does that (Hilary) part means?
Thereās a conspiracy theory (not entirely without merit, but generally assumed to be baseless) that people with negative information about the Clintons end up dead suspiciously. Epstein was one such person, under this theory.
Why didnāt they kill Monica? This conspiracy theory is actual garbage.
Both of the Clintons are garbage human beings who didnāt/donāt deserve to be in office (which is true of most politicians). Bill definitely coerced women into sex. But when the loudest critics of the Clintons are tinfoil loons, it takes all of the air out of the room.
Thatās the biggest hole in the theory for me. If theyāre willing to disappear people, there are a lot of people they seem to have missed.
Thereās a sort of counter theory that says that the Clintons themselves started the conspiracy theory as a way of putting all Clinton dissent under the heading of a conspiracy, and honestly I find that much more believable.
Thanks for explaining.
I never heard of that. and for the Eipstein, I always associated his info with powerful people, but not specifically with the Clintons ą² _ą²
Right, there are a lot of possible names to blame for Epstein for sure. Like I said, itās a theory thatās largely considered to be baseless. The Clintons have a lot of faults, but I havenāt seen any indication that theyāre into assassinations.
āThe Congressional Record (1994) stated that the compiler of the original list, Linda Thompson, admitted she had āāno direct evidenceā of Clinton killing anyone. Indeed, she says the deaths were probably caused by āpeople trying to control the presidentā but refuses to say who they were.ā
āSeveral sources have discredited the conspiracy theory, such as the Congressional Record,[4] the Lakeland Ledger, the Chicago Tribune, Snopes and others, pointing to detailed death records, the unusually large circle of associates that a president is likely to have, and the fact that many of the people listed had been misidentified or were still alive. Others had no known link to the Clintons.ā
en.wikipedia.org/ā¦/Clinton_body_count_conspiracy_ā¦
Can we let Vince Foster rest you fucking ghouls.
Itās really competitive of them trying to knock Putin off of the top of the charts.
Boeing not really going out of their way to not make it look obvious, are they?
konakona.moe