Tesla recalls 120,000 vehicles over potentially faulty doors that could open in a crash
(www.nbcnews.com)
from L4s@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 23 Dec 2023 08:00
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from L4s@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 23 Dec 2023 08:00
https://lemmy.world/post/9888692
Tesla recalls 120,000 vehicles over potentially faulty doors that could open in a crash::Tesla is recalling Tesla Model S luxury sedans and Model X SUVs manufactured in 2022 and 2023 due to the vehicles’ failure to comply with U.S. government regulations.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
As a remedy, Tesla is releasing an over-the-air (OTA) software update free of charge.
Last week, Tesla announced a recall for nearly all its U.S. vehicles — some 2 million — due to concerns about the safety of its autopilot driver-assistance feature.
A federal investigation found that its autosteer function may have led some drivers to abandon responsibility for the operation of their vehicles.
That recall came after one in February affecting more than 360,000 vehicles related to Tesla’s “full self-driving” software.
In a post last week on X, formerly known as Twitter, Tesla issued a statement accusing some news outlets of misconstruing “the nature of our safety systems,” adding that “incontrovertible data” shows Tesla’s features are “saving lives and preventing injury.”
A NHTSA spokesperson told NBC News last week that its investigation into Tesla’s autopilot features “remains open as we monitor the efficacy of Tesla’s remedies and continue to work with the automaker to ensure the highest level of safety.”
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I can’t wait for the NHTSB’s verdict on the Cybertruck.
Everyone driving a Tesla: “I’m so important and successful, look at all the peasants turning green with envy”. Peasants: “You couldn’t pay me to be a test crash dummy in one of daddy Elon’s death mobiles.”
Yeah the only reason I keep looking at their Tesla is so I am prepared to dodge it when it goes Kill All Humans mode.
Oh the default mode then?
Nah, that’s a paid upgrade. Default on the poverty-spec models is Kill All Children
It’s kind of wild my opinion of Tesla in 2016 vs now. They went from this super cool car company to a really expensive unpolished turd. I figured at the time they would fix their quality issues as they are a new car company figuring things out. Legit worst quality cars on the market. About one step up from 80 GM Fremont Assembly with beer cans in the doors. Toyota help fix those issues in quality but Tesla has not figured it out and it’s funny it’s the same plant. Riven seems to be making a decent truck right now along with Lucid as new players in the market. Then add in the Elon factor. Had he kept his mouth shut he could have been remembered really well. Now you could not pay me to own any of products
It’s kind of wild my opinion of Tesla in 2016 vs now. They went from this super cool car company to a really expensive unpolished turd. I figured at the time they would fix their quality issues as they are a new car company figuring things out. Legit worst quality cars on the market. About one step up from 80 GM Fremont Assembly with beer cans in the doors. Toyota help fix those issues in quality but Tesla has not figured it out and it’s funny it’s the same plant. Riven seems to be making a decent truck right now along with Lucid as new players in the market. Then add in the Elon factor. Had he kept his mouth shut he could have been remembered really well. Now you could not pay me to own any of products
I’m a solid thousandaire who bought a used Model 3 in 2019. I’m one of those fuck cars people, but living without one is not currently possible for me, so I went with one with a high safety rating, low maintenance, and no need for gas. Since then, I’ve bought one set of tires, refilled the windshield wiper fluid, and had a few car washes. It’s been pretty great, as a car.
The only problem is… random pickup trucks and Dodge Chargers act crazy around me because the existence of EVs apparently threatens their masculinity. My mom sends me random articles where someone who has no idea what they’re talking about complains about the car being a death trap. And now that Elon Musk won’t shut the fuck up, I get to read the random ramblings of petulant children online who can’t fathom that people might like something they don’t.
Fuck me, though, I guess I’m a member of the bourgeoisie now.
Hold on, shouldn’t doors open in a crash? Isn’t them not opening a major problem when you’re trying to escape?
Once the crash is finished, sure. But mid crash the door opening could lead to leaving the vehicle unintentionally.
if the car is unbuckling you too, it means that it knows you’re safer out of the Tesla!
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You don’t want the doors to open while crashing, you want them to open when emergency gets there.
Aaah, sorry, misunderstood that. 😅
It’s all cool. 👍🏾
And emergency crews carry the tool to cut them open if needed.
Can we please stop acting like every firmware update they push is some major recall?
www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2022/TESLA/MODEL X#recalls
It’s a recall
“Tesla issues recall on 150,000 vehicles for one typo in online manual accessible from vehicle view screen. Correction delivered by over the air update.”
Technically its a recall, but it’s really a software update that all owners will receive without doing anything special. I’m not a fan of Tesla by any means, but let’s not sharpen the pitchforks just yet.
Even ignoring bizarre stuff like this, it’s priced like a Jaguar and has the build quality of a Yugo. I say keep sharpening.
Well, I wouldn’t buy one…
That’s a walk the other way issue not a pitchfork issue.
I disagree. It’s tantamount to fraud and you better believe people have died because of it.
People have died because of the price gouging? Im no musk fan boy but this echo chamber of nonsense with you people just makes this community seem completely ridiculous. Car companies have been selling crap with high price tags since cars were a thing.
No, because of the bad build quality, obviously.
For some reason, “fast, shoddily built and weighs two metric tons” isn’t great for avoiding faults that sometimes lead to fatalities.
Maybe think for a second more before you start ranting about someone else being ridiculous 🙄
The comment was bout the price / quality differential. Anyway, what data are you looking at that the build quality affects safety? I have only seen high safety ratings and build quality being about panel lines and interior material complaints etc, not safety.
For example, below is the kind of welding that passes muster at Tesla. The Tesla quality assurance as instituted by Musk himself is “don’t. It makes the wait lists shrink more slowly”.
Would you feel safe accelerating 0-60 in under 4 seconds in two tons of badly assembled steel? I sure wouldn’t! <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.wtf/pictrs/image/b93354da-07d1-4c11-a1c6-d6f2757b7b7d.png"> <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.wtf/pictrs/image/64330cf4-05af-4634-bc29-1e612dde5115.jpeg"> <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.wtf/pictrs/image/4c22130c-56aa-4c60-a105-68c17813b144.jpeg"> <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.wtf/pictrs/image/f8c9787f-4614-45e2-953f-1b59864c9e0c.jpeg">
Well, I’m more of a math and data kind of guy. I don’t drive a Tesla and likely never will but Tesla has exceeded safety test rankings beyond the vast majority of other manufacturers and has received numerous top accolades from very reputable safety sources. They may skimp on cosmetic quality, but their track record does not suggest they have on safety. But say what you want, my point here is that this is an echo chamber of nonsense and you will surely find the support you crave here.
Those were all in the beginning when they were new and trying to impress the world. To say standards have slipped since then is the understatement of the century.
Never trust a guy who says “I’m not a fan boy but” and then repeatedly brushes all criticism of what he’s pretending not to fanboy over as “echo chamber nonsense”. 😂
Especially not after him repeating PR talking points almost word for word for what would have been at least two paragraphs with better formatting 🙄
That’s an interesting stance. The logic of your statement reads as:
If someone agrees with me I’m right. If someone disagrees with me, then the person disagreeing is automatically doing so in bad faith and their opinions should be automatically dismissed without consideration making me right.Under your logic what statements ever allow for someone to challenge or correct you and learn something new?
Nope. The logic is that “I’m not a fan boy but” is usually as true as “I’m not a racist but”.
In both cases, what follows will usually be proof that everything before “but” was a lie.
Or to put it in yet another way: people who feel the need to assure others that they’re definitely not fan boys…are usually fan boys.
Me being right or wrong has nothing to do with it at all.
Are you then saying that you’ll consider someone’s opinion that is contrary to yours as long as they don’t mention they “aren’t a fanboy”? Its just those words that trigger you to dismiss them entirely?
I’m saying that there’s being open minded, which is a good thing, and then there’s wasting your time trying to talk sense into people blinded by hero worship/follower identify to the point of being unreachable and/or arguing in bad faith.
The latter is a bad thing that I’m trying to become better at avoiding but am doing right now with you and was doing before with Definitely Not A Fan Boy Nuh-uh.
I can certainly appreciate that. My concern is that it appears your criteria for labeling someone as someone to dismiss looks very shaky.
I’m doing a similar exercise with you too, if that helps. I’m trying to understand where your lines are and how you arrive there because I’m interested in knowing the best ways to communicate (to you and anyone else). You’re clearly putting though into this and there is also clearly a method to which you apply your decisions, but I’m at a loss to understand it.
Perhaps its best to part when both of us are conciliatory. If so, I’ll thank you for your conversation up to now and hope the rest of your day is great!
And the 0-60 of a Koenigsegg at 1/20 the price, but also electric and potentially economical to drive.
A Koeniggsegg handles much better and is well-built, though. It’s meant for the track and it does that well.
In contrast, a Tesla Model S is an unnecessarily quick and overpriced family car with a dubious safety record due in part to having the build quality of a Yugo.
0-60 of race car is the last thing a normal driver needs from a car. If you’ll come up with a made up scenario where you have to floor it to save your life I will scream.
Just because the recall is an over the air fix, doesn’t make it less serious. Which is probably why it’s called a recall.
Not a tesla fan either but it kinda is less serious. I assume the compliance % of an over the air update is much higher than physical recalls. Like I bet people are still driving with faulty Takata airbags or other serious recalls.
Well, with a conventional recall many defunct vehicles will never get repaired and still driven for years whereas this fix will be rapid and hard to avoid even if one tried. It’s not not serious, but the implications are much less severe. Can call it a recall but it’s not equivalent to what most manufacturers call a recall.
No, it’s a recall by definition.
Safety issue: door opens during a crash
Repair: software patch
I think what makes it a recall is that the NHTSA points out a fault and requires the manufacturer to fix it. It just happens that Tesla has the ability to use OTA updates. So not sure there is a difference in severity just because a fix is software.
But it does raise the question for me if it’s a simple software fix why did Tesla wait for the NHTSA? Don’t they have tons of live diagnostic data from their cars?
…Yeah, but who looks at that rubbish? - an engineer
“…let’s not sharpen the pitchforks just yet” this is like the 845th domino that’s fallen? You’re not a serious person.
It’s kinda scary that cars are no different now than software these days with all this “agile development”
Code it. “it’s stable!”. Don’t do much testing. Bug reports come in. Fix.
All sounds like beta software to me. Just what I want to put my life in the hands of.
Am much more scared about those that don’t open when you get in a crash. Which is all of them in case of losing power.
They all have manual, non-motorized releases. All of them.
Only the front ones, no?
No. Even the rear ones. The manual for some of them (some Model 3’s, for example) says that there are only manual release switches for the front, which is true, but some people confuse that for the rear not having a manual release at all. There’s a cable that you pull that’s under the liner in the rear doors. The higher-end models have dedicated buttons in the rear.
Edit: I checked YouTube to post a video of how the cable release works and found that some Model 3’s do not have the removable liner where the release cable is. They may not all have them which means that my answer is wrong in a few cases.
A security feature should never be hidden away though. Someone getting a lift might not know it’s there.
Totally agree this is like an escape room you didn’t sign up for. “Please solve the following clues to open door”
I agree wholeheartedly. That wasn’t what was asked or said, though. The statement was that the rear doors don’t have a release. They do. End of story.
Dang, I’ll try to avoid crashing until after the update is installed.