Show me your badge; identify yourself as a law enforcement officer and we got a deal.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 01 Oct 04:25
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:rofl: why would they? All that is already for sale, pally. Find a data broker, fork over twenty bucks, and all that info is fair game. Hell, fire up a TOR client, find a data breach that contains your device’s MAC address or static IP, pay five or ten bucks, and same deal, but now I can drain your credit card.
Don’t like it? Well the data comes from somewhere, unregulated floodgates of data collection to be bought, resold and scrutinized (or stolen). Nothing to hide, eh?
I don’t need to show you a badge. No one does. I can’t just go get your info from the data broker.
Perhaps you see the problem here…
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 01 Oct 05:05
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I believe there has been a case of this. I remember a person phished some service to give them access to a person’s account or account data under the guise of “lives are on the line here”. Might’ve also spoofed the email, but either way, he managed to get it
Once I looked celebrity’s well-known family member just to see how bad data brokers are. It game me her info and it had a relative section that listed all of the celebrity’s info too, including addresses and phone numbers. It was bonkers that it was so easy to find. Especially, since I didn’t pay for it. That was just 100% free searches on various data sites and google. Imagine what I could have done if I had paid for info.
Railing5132@lemmy.world
on 01 Oct 10:16
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Since due process is off the table, we’ve determined (without a trial) that you’re not a citizen, and you’re being deported to a country you’ve never been to, where they will imprison you at our request, and they don’t speak any language you do.
In here it’s mostly not, but it’s currently +5 degrees celsius outside so I’m keeping my clothes. And whatever little is left of my privacy too, thank you.
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world
on 01 Oct 03:53
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Take your clothes off then, and burn them, if you’ve ‘got nothing to hide’. Let’s see your address and ssn. Where do you work, and what position do you hold?
Oh, suddenly you have changed your stance on the matter… funny how that works.
Try searching for yourself and let the realization and dread set in that most of those hypothetical questions I just asked, I can find out, without needing to ask you directly - because you’ve given them away, while having ‘nothing to hide’.
BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world
on 01 Oct 04:21
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If I took this argument in good faith, also consider your behaviors can be used against you and your neighbor. I’ve heard people say TikTok knew they were bisexual before the user themself knew it. Massive amounts of data on human behavior can be used to sell you the newest phone or the newest infringement of your rights.
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 01 Oct 05:03
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Forgot the /s ?
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works
on 01 Oct 05:43
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Please set up a live camera in your house for us to watch 👀
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
on 01 Oct 05:47
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What’s your bank account information? /$
ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 01 Oct 06:23
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Scrolling through your comment history I see at a glance you’ve deleted several of your own comments so you have at least something to hide
ramenshaman@lemmy.world
on 01 Oct 06:58
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As someone with nothing to hide, I’m ok with this.
Do you want to live in 1984? Because this is how we get to 1984.
Hey everyone, the name caller above is going to give the police state a big ol’ bear hug after recess is over. Why has Lemmy forced their hand like this?!
Companies that obtain mobile phone location data generally do it in two different ways. The first is through software development kits (SDKs) embedded in ordinary smartphone apps, like games or weather forecasters. These SDKs continuously gather a user’s granular location, transfer that to the data broker, and then sell that data onward or repackage it and sell access to government agencies.
The second is through real-time bidding (RTB). When an advert is about to be served to a mobile phone user, there is a near instantaneous, and invisible, bidding process in which different companies vie to have their advert placed in front of certain demographics. A side-effect is that this demographic data, including mobile phones’ location, can be harvested by surveillance firms. Sometimes spy companies buy ad tech companies out right to insert themselves into this data supply chain. We previously found at least thousands of apps were hijacked to provide location data in this way.
I really despise these practices. I don’t know how people can build these tools with a clear conscience.
otacon239@lemmy.world
on 01 Oct 02:49
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That’s easy. You just ignore your conscience because money speaks louder to these people.
Or you use confirmation bias to tell yourself it’s an innocuous use case that won’t hurt anyone.
Or you use a bandwagon argument like “everybody else is doing it, so why can’t we” or “everybody else is doing it so it doesn’t make much difference if we do too”
Or you use a library for ads such as the google-ads-api npm package, without checking it, so you don’t realise how much data it’s collecting on your users…
Or even worse, “if we don’t it, someone else will anyway”
AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Oct 01:28
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The Peter Thiel Paradox (also the name of my new wave band) “It’s inevitable/you’re only fighting progress, and any regulations will turn it into an authoritarian nightmare. Which is what it’s turning into anyway because it’s simply inevitable. So stop trying to resist by forcing regulations on this inevitable authoritarian nightmare that we had no way of stopping.”
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
on 01 Oct 03:13
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build these tools with a clear conscience.
Because if they don’t their masters they will become destitute and starve while homeless
And all social interaction happen at veiled gunpoint
Under these conditions it is no surprise at all that conscience plays no role whatsoever, it is just a savage free-for-all for survival happening under our cursed star, an insane 10 billion years long churning of thinking meat, consciousness behind birthed into the wreckage, screaming uncomprehendingly at what is happened until it soon it is just as easily, mercifully and meaninglessly snuffed out again.
Fortunately we have a shot at scorching the surface of this planet thanks to global warming and really the question is, can we make it happen before we genocide ourselves, leaving this planet’s biosphere still capable of sustaining the horrors of life ?
You should really talk to some real in-the-flesh people.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
on 01 Oct 04:18
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I met some real people this week, they were watching advertising.
They thought the government cared about them.
One wanted to upgrade their car to add another 100 horsepower they cannot use anywhere.
Another told me, he does not like raising cows but he had to get more cows to make it more economical to raise cows.
They were all bummed out that the end of the end of the week was upon us, and soon they would have to work 40 hours in the next 5 days, doing things they stopped liking doing a long time again, if they ever did at all.
I should have just went back to the flip phone like ten years ago.
SL3wvmnas@discuss.tchncs.de
on 01 Oct 07:15
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I switched to /e/ a while ago, they have a feature called advanced privacy. commercial Lemmy clients like Connect and Raccoon have trackers embedded and are blocked automagically. ^I use Jerboa btw^
I don’t know how people can build these tools with a clear conscience.
Have you seen the job market for programmers lately? It feels like it’s almost all for AI slop, abusive rentier middleman business models that add no real value, defense war contractors, or all of the above at once.
That’s not to say that it’s acceptable for people to work those jobs with a clear conscience; it’s to say that for a bunch of people the only ethical options would be to remain unemployed or leave the industry.
I’ve been seeing exactly that. Reading through these job descriptions is a bit depressing. I can’t virtue signal my lack of morality and unthinking subservience to my potential employer hard enough to make cutoff to become “Director of AI Shilling” or a “Dark Pattern Consent Violation Engineer”.
I know the kind of environments that won’t work for me. This will always limit the jobs I can and can’t work and I’m generally okay with that. I would love some of that bountiful defence contractor money, but I can’t ethically justify doing work that harms others or limits their freedom. Advertising tech would have been a good fit for me… if I had no sense of ethics.
It’s a tough realization that my gaming consoles, GPS Smart Watch, and fancy modern over-engineered car only became possible because tons of money was poured into building out related tech for defence and surveillance.
I imagine the cognitive dissonance must be really strong in someone working for some of these companies that have monetized governmentally sanctioned or corporately opportunistic civil rights abuses. Then again, we’re often kept apart, working in our own little areas where we’re safe from having to see the whole horrifying machine.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
on 01 Oct 10:47
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It’s the same for anyone who works for Meta or MS or Google or Anduril or whatever these days: you look at your comp package that’s worth roughly half a million annually, and you say
Hmm can’t seem to load the archive site so haven’t read the whole thing. Anyone know details of how this works? Are we all fucked if we have a phone or is staying off social media and hardening security with something like Graphene OS enough to keep you out of their system?
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 01 Oct 04:51
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GrapheneOS already runs google play services in a sandbox that doesn’t have core access to the device’s functionality (you can lie about giving apps storage access or location data, for example), and because you already have alternatives to ad-based services (CoMaps, Thunderbird, etc…) you should be safe from telemetry often hidden inside of popular apps like Google Maps.
Nothing’s bulletproof, of course, but the difference with GrapheneOS is that you can see what’s going on, grant permissions selectively to certain apps, or opt out entirely by only installing F-droid apps or using Graphene’s FOSS suite. You don’t have pre-baked telemetry at all, so nothing for them to harvest.
DandomRude@lemmy.world
on 01 Oct 04:22
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And in case it wasn’t already clear enough how absurd this all is, the creeps at Palantir are now actually so brazen as to officially call one of their mass surveillance systems “Project Gotham”…brave new world.
Yes, maybe a bit much, but it would have been very fitting, since the marketing is obviously aimed specifically at the villains of the world—perhaps for the next project.
It’s quite telling of the times we live in that you can make it so obvious these days. You’d think that at least some concealment of the intentions behind these mass surveillance products would be appropriate, but I guess with people like Trump in the White House, Putin in the Kremlin, Netanyahu in Israel, and many others of that caliber, it’s no longer necessary.
As much as I would love to have a Linux phone, it will not fully help with privacy. The devices are logged into a cell tower and have a unique ID. This alone makes them trackable.
mostlikelyaperson@lemmy.world
on 01 Oct 07:33
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Yup, the baseband modem does what it’s firmware tells it to, and that’s entirely independent from the phone’s software. And open baseband modems to my knowledge don’t exist.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 01 Oct 08:24
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A removable physical or electronic SIM on a system that has full control of inbound or outbound traffic (linux phone) would still be a whole lot better than nothing. Imagine having a switch to reliably sever any heartbeat signals between the tower and the device at any time.
This would be a flight mode switch that reliably works. But it also means you are offline, which is no solution to the average “daily” problem of being tracked.
barnaclebutt@lemmy.world
on 01 Oct 15:04
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If the spyware/tracking started and ended at the cell tower it would be a good start. I’m not sure the sensor data would be sent to the tower either. It would just be a general area.
answersplease77@lemmy.world
on 01 Oct 15:47
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I wish smartphones only tracked and sent data about your location. They gather every personal information you could and could not imagine about you. They analyze what you click like on socia media and all your circle of friends.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works
on 02 Oct 21:04
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A Linux phone could theoretically use other networks. You could pipe traffic through I2P or bounce it around multiple network types with reticulum. It’s actually theoretically possible to make a community mesh that doesn’t need cellular at all. I don’t NEED to carry the entire internet with me everywhere. I can carry a device with a cache of stuff I need but for everything else I can just connect to some sort of network to fetch it when I actually need it on demand.
A Linux phone would let you do that. You can explore that possibility. Android and IPhone will never allow that because latency is shot on the alternative networks and they aren’t expensive enough to make a profit off of.
Show me one weather app that’s state-sponsored (therefore: paid by taxes) that sells data to boost income.
Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 01 Oct 12:18
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Nearly every weather app that exists is repackaging data from an official, tax funded source. Apps using weather underground data possibly being the only exception.
Show me one that doesn’t want location permissions and such. So now they’ve got Your data and can do as they please with it.
Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 01 Oct 13:04
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You’re having an argument with a voice in your head or something. I’m just going to tag you and go about my morning. Good luck with whatever it is you’re dealing with.
Not affiliated, just discovered this amazing app relatively recently.
Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 01 Oct 13:08
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I think the last time I tried a bunch, it came down to Breezy and Cirrus. I think they’re pretty similar but I settled on Cirrus for whatever reason. Here’s a link for anyone interested.
If you want the weather info sponsored by your taxes, use the browser.
If you want a convenient widget, someone needs to make it, and the developer who made that widget needs to eat too.
You can either buy an app or pay with your data.
ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 01 Oct 08:13
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You can either buy an app or pay with your data.
No this implies you get a choice, which you don’t. You can get it for free and sell your data, or you can pay for it…and still also sell your data. The real money is in the data, they won’t give that up…ever.
the weather app can’t. Your cell provider can without any phone permissions. Google/Apple secretly could as well. These companies love your government more than they love you.
Yeah, that’s true. Often people will take the money from users AND from selling data. But you can (usually) verify if that’s the case by checking the app’s permissions required.
The point stands, however: you either pay for the software with money, or with data - with the only exception being the unusually rare FOSS project here and there, which either lives in relative obscurity or grows to become large enough for the creators to either start requiring money, or just fold under the load…
dafta@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 01 Oct 08:47
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Yes. By making your app paid, not free. 90% of Apple Store/Google Play store users don’t want to pay for apps with their money.
No, by doing something else with his life because developing an app is not an all-encompassing behavior.
You’re childishly naive if you think it’s malice 100% of the way top to bottom.
No, I’m just not a useful idiot going to bat for people making money off of me.
I, personally, have made significantly more complicated apps than what you’re defending and I don’t charge money for it or harvest my user’s data. I’m also not alone.
If we can do it, why can’t this scumbag? Oh yeah, because he has useful idiots like you going to bat for him.
Please, tell me more about how ignorant and innocent you are. It’s cute and predictable.
No, by doing something else with his life because developing an app is not an all-encompassing behavior.
Buddy, are you suggesting that software developers should “do something else to earn money”?
Are you high right now?
No, I’m just not a useful idiot going to bat for people making money off of me.
Go ahead. Quote the bit where anyone in this thread is batting for anybody.
I, personally, have made significantly more complicated apps than what you’re defending
I’m becoming fairly certain that you are high. What exactly am I defending…?
If we can do it, why can’t this scumbag?
We can’t have a discussion if you don’t understand some simple facts of life. Such as: “people need to eat”, or “eating costs money”, or “not everybody has the privilege of being a software developer as a side-gig”, or “not everybody wants or can be a farmer”.
Please, tell me more about how ignorant and innocent you are. It’s cute and predictable.
Get sober, then read what you wrote again.
sadfitzy@ttrpg.network
on 01 Oct 09:38
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Yeah, morons like you will fight tooth and nail to avoid admitting you’re being taken for a ride.
I think we all need to spend time on the privacy and security channels here. There are ways to resolve this data leaking. Also simple settings on your devices
minorkeys@lemmy.world
on 01 Oct 06:54
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Their job is to track, find, abduct, imprison and deport people. That skillset and logistic apparatus is as effective against everyone as it is immigrants.
Formfiller@lemmy.world
on 01 Oct 11:26
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Trump’s executive order just made anyone who is critical of his administrations criminal conduct a terrorist by royal decree. We all should be armed and prepared to defend ourselves and our families against tyranny. They’re “disappearing” people without accountability. The pedo king literally declared war on citizens for not conforming to his dictatorship. The military was instructed to commit war crimes against American citizens yesterday. ie:raping and pillaging. Am I misreading the situation?
He should be tried and executed for treason, but those in leadership positions in our country have betrayed their oaths. That means we all need to be armed to the fucking teeth as soon as possible.
This appears to suggest that smartphone makers (Apple, Google, etc.) are violating privacy agreements and selling user’s private data. Has anyone read their privacy agreements lately?
The_Decryptor@aussie.zone
on 01 Oct 13:46
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Anything that polls location data can record it and sell it, probably more apps that sell it than don’t.
Yup. There are dozens of these contractors in our modern surveillance state, and it’s all bought up en masse by the government (and others!) for all sorts of purposes.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
on 01 Oct 14:36
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Everyone knows Apple said they would never do that and that one time defied the FBI about it. Are you saying Tim Cook would just ~lie~ let a false impression stand ?
They have since capitulated, and have done so prior to the trump admin.
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today
on 01 Oct 14:50
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Privacy policies are irrelevant here. They are picking up unique data as your phone communicates with a cell tower. You can do it with a $15 RTL-SDR receiver.
Get a hundred receivers and you can pinpoint anybody in a city.
Not just phone makers, but the telecom companies. Even if your phone shares no location data, it still checks in with a cell tower constantly. As you move around, so does your registration at a tower. It’s accurate to about 2 miles. Match that with your known home address or work address and your location is easily guessed
They don’t need the cooperation of telecom providers. They receive the same signal you send to the cell tower. Even if the signal is encrypted so they can’t see what you are sending, they can identify that you are sending.
With enough receivers listening, they can identify your location to a pretty high accuracy.
Next we’ll be reading how android has removed the ability to disable location
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world
on 01 Oct 13:47
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Ever wondered what it would have been like if the gestapo had real-time awareness of every citizen’s location at all times? You’re about to find out.
SlippiHUD@lemmy.world
on 01 Oct 14:10
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If the government had a right to that data they wouldn’t need to pay for it, they could just subpoena it. But they don’t, so instead they’re paying middle men to circumvent our rights.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world
on 02 Oct 21:18
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Yup. Look up tow truck companies, they track license plates with their readers and lease the data to police since police can’t track without a warrant.
Some choices to help would be to avoid using precise location for weather apps. Course is usually very good unless you’re a weather tracking hobbyist. If you’re not using ad blocking it’s never a bad time to start.
Ad blocking in browser is good but combined with a DNS service that offers block lists like Hagezi’s options it’s great. These lists can block a lot of tracking and telemetry data and not just the ads themselves. ControlD and NextDNS are two solid options. NextDNS doesn’t offer Hagezi Threat Intelligence Feeds specifically but have their own proprietary version. The company claims it covers much of Hagezi’s lists but I haven’t compared.
ControlD has a 30 day free trial period with two plans either $20 or $40 per year. The $40 per year option has a future called Redirect. Their description “Spoof various web services, apps and platforms to geo-distributed proxy locations and appear to be in a different country”.
NextDNS has a free plan that can be used on multiple devices. Paid is $20 per year for unlimited. The catch to the free plan is it’s good for 300,000 queries per month. If you get close they email a warning and if you go over the service will still work as a DNS but without the blocking. It will automatically start again the next cycle.
Here’s the Hagezi GitHub but other lists are good too like OISD and AdGuard lists.
I use Ultimate but that may be too restricted for some. It will break websites and apps like FaceBook, WhatsApp, Instagram. If you use those a slightly less strict list a better choice. You’ll still get protection but there’s a balance to everyone’s needs so do read up on each list and what makes sense for you.
All that wrapped in a trusted VPN and you’re doing pretty well. Nothing is perfect and if a government power wants to know where you are this isn’t going to stop them. For me that’s not what this is for. I use this stuff against the ads and tracking crap everywhere. I’m not trying to hide and can’t really offer much regarding that.
I’m maybe a bit over the top compared to some. If this all sounds crazy a simple ad blocker (AdGuard, uBlock Origin) in browser and course location for weather and anything else location based that makes sense is a solid start. You can always whitelist websites you wish to support via ad revenue if that’s an interest.
Yes they can be used with a PiHole. I don’t use one so I can’t offer much for set up. On the GitHub page each list version has various links depending on the format needed for where it will be used. For example, PiHole is under the Adblock format which works with (Pi-hole, AdGuard, AdGuard Home, eBlocker, uBlock Origin, Brave (only in aggressive mode), AdNauseam, Little Snitch Mini).
In my research about this stuff I saw many people talking about these lists for their own home DNS set up. Good luck!
Awesome. Thanks.
PiHole lists are pretty simple. They’re just plaintext.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world
on 01 Oct 17:06
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And they say there’s never any good news.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online
on 01 Oct 17:08
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So they will know where I have been? Even though I am not American… I remember when the British government demanded that Apple give them that kind of information on all iPhone users all over the world and Apple told them to go fuck themselves.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online
on 01 Oct 18:37
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Because they will never quit. Ever. We need to get lucky and stop them every time (and I feel powerless beyond signing some petition online and maybe making a donation), but they need to get lucky once.
And I cannot recall a single time that such laws were ever repealed. The patriot act has had some questionable efficacy and now ICE and the Trump administration want so many more additions that there is just no going back.
Even in Canada, which never had an issue with terrorism, has passed many laws heavily infringing on people’s freedoms and are trying to pass the biggest one yet with Bill C-2, even though it actually weakens border protections and gives American companies far, far more ability to surveil Canadians than ever before. This is when violence and terror threats have been greatly diminishing for years (and not because of some BS laws).
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works
on 02 Oct 20:57
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Because they are planning for if people rise up to fight back. It’s not about protecting you. It’s about protecting them.
andallthat@lemmy.world
on 01 Oct 17:24
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I track the location of hundreds maybe thousands of phones every day for minutes at the time. I see people using them while I commute. Where can I collect my fee from the US government for my services?
Time for meshtasctic? Or nothing. How about never using our phones again?
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world
on 02 Oct 17:38
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Definitely considering looking into portable Faraday cages…
Guess it doesn’t really matter when the license plate on my car is tracked everywhere I go and all the big businesses use face identification the moment you walk into their stores, probably all run by the same vendor and packaged and sold to the highest bidder.
Install the android developer tools, or whatever it is that includes the adb utility. Download the software from the EFF & run the install script while your device is plugged in via usb.
PissingIntoTheWind@lemmy.world
on 02 Oct 17:42
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Just need to financially cripple investment into companies like this. Go out of your way to march with your wallet to get impacts into their profitability.
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As someone with nothing to hide, I’m ok with this.
Edit: Bunch of perverts, sexual harassers, and scammers on lemmy huh? Only cements my stance on increased police presence…
Cool, let me see all your usernames and passwords then.
Missing /s?
If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.
[Cardinal Richelieu]
Show us your butthole then
Risky post of the day
Edit: why are you downvoting me? You may get a butthole pic from this! That feels risky haha
Let me show you my budhole
It’s a place where my buddies hang out!
Alright, then show me your text messages and location data over the past year. If you have nothing to hide then it should be no big deal, right?
Show me your badge; identify yourself as a law enforcement officer and we got a deal.
:rofl: why would they? All that is already for sale, pally. Find a data broker, fork over twenty bucks, and all that info is fair game. Hell, fire up a TOR client, find a data breach that contains your device’s MAC address or static IP, pay five or ten bucks, and same deal, but now I can drain your credit card.
Don’t like it? Well the data comes from somewhere, unregulated floodgates of data collection to be bought, resold and scrutinized (or stolen). Nothing to hide, eh?
I don’t need to show you a badge. No one does. I can’t just go get your info from the data broker.
Perhaps you see the problem here…
I believe there has been a case of this. I remember a person phished some service to give them access to a person’s account or account data under the guise of “lives are on the line here”. Might’ve also spoofed the email, but either way, he managed to get it
Edit: something like this
gizmodo.com/hackers-are-using-police-emails-to-se…
I’ll do you one better. Murders have been committed using data purchased from brokers: wired.com/…/minnesota-lawmaker-shootings-people-s…
That’s even easier to do, yeah
Once I looked celebrity’s well-known family member just to see how bad data brokers are. It game me her info and it had a relative section that listed all of the celebrity’s info too, including addresses and phone numbers. It was bonkers that it was so easy to find. Especially, since I didn’t pay for it. That was just 100% free searches on various data sites and google. Imagine what I could have done if I had paid for info.
Since due process is off the table, we’ve determined (without a trial) that you’re not a citizen, and you’re being deported to a country you’ve never been to, where they will imprison you at our request, and they don’t speak any language you do.
Why? Because we’re ICE. Fuck you.
You are so naive it’s almost impressive.
Then why wear clothes?
Devil’s Advocate: Because it’s legally required.
In here it’s mostly not, but it’s currently +5 degrees celsius outside so I’m keeping my clothes. And whatever little is left of my privacy too, thank you.
Take your clothes off then, and burn them, if you’ve ‘got nothing to hide’. Let’s see your address and ssn. Where do you work, and what position do you hold?
Oh, suddenly you have changed your stance on the matter… funny how that works.
Try searching for yourself and let the realization and dread set in that most of those hypothetical questions I just asked, I can find out, without needing to ask you directly - because you’ve given them away, while having ‘nothing to hide’.
If I took this argument in good faith, also consider your behaviors can be used against you and your neighbor. I’ve heard people say TikTok knew they were bisexual before the user themself knew it. Massive amounts of data on human behavior can be used to sell you the newest phone or the newest infringement of your rights.
Forgot the /s ?
Please set up a live camera in your house for us to watch 👀
What’s your bank account information? /$
Scrolling through your comment history I see at a glance you’ve deleted several of your own comments so you have at least something to hide
Do you want to live in 1984? Because this is how we get to 1984.
What’s legal today might be illegal tomorrow. Short sighted comment.
dum-dum
Hey everyone, the name caller above is going to give the police state a big ol’ bear hug after recess is over. Why has Lemmy forced their hand like this?!
You’ve deleted a lot of comments for someone who doesn’t want to hide anything.
Thanks for including the mirror, OP.
I really despise these practices. I don’t know how people can build these tools with a clear conscience.
That’s easy. You just ignore your conscience because money speaks louder to these people.
Or you use confirmation bias to tell yourself it’s an innocuous use case that won’t hurt anyone.
Or you use a bandwagon argument like “everybody else is doing it, so why can’t we” or “everybody else is doing it so it doesn’t make much difference if we do too”
Or you use a library for ads such as the google-ads-api npm package, without checking it, so you don’t realise how much data it’s collecting on your users…
Or even worse, “if we don’t it, someone else will anyway”
The Peter Thiel Paradox (also the name of my new wave band) “It’s inevitable/you’re only fighting progress, and any regulations will turn it into an authoritarian nightmare. Which is what it’s turning into anyway because it’s simply inevitable. So stop trying to resist by forcing regulations on this inevitable authoritarian nightmare that we had no way of stopping.”
Because if they don’t their masters they will become destitute and starve while homeless
And all social interaction happen at veiled gunpoint
Under these conditions it is no surprise at all that conscience plays no role whatsoever, it is just a savage free-for-all for survival happening under our cursed star, an insane 10 billion years long churning of thinking meat, consciousness behind birthed into the wreckage, screaming uncomprehendingly at what is happened until it soon it is just as easily, mercifully and meaninglessly snuffed out again.
Fortunately we have a shot at scorching the surface of this planet thanks to global warming and really the question is, can we make it happen before we genocide ourselves, leaving this planet’s biosphere still capable of sustaining the horrors of life ?
You should really talk to some real in-the-flesh people.
I met some real people this week, they were watching advertising.
They thought the government cared about them.
One wanted to upgrade their car to add another 100 horsepower they cannot use anywhere.
Another told me, he does not like raising cows but he had to get more cows to make it more economical to raise cows.
They were all bummed out that the end of the end of the week was upon us, and soon they would have to work 40 hours in the next 5 days, doing things they stopped liking doing a long time again, if they ever did at all.
Jesus fucking Christ. Time to delete the two games I’ve ever downloaded. Dunno if that even helps at this point.
It's not specific to games, it's all apps that have ads
I should have just went back to the flip phone like ten years ago.
I switched to /e/ a while ago, they have a feature called advanced privacy. commercial Lemmy clients like Connect and Raccoon have trackers embedded and are blocked automagically. ^I use Jerboa btw^
You can instead use apps which block trackers. I can recommend 3.
Netguard with tracker filters enabled, PersonalDNS filter – a fire and forget DNS filter app, or Adguard android app from Adguard website.
The 1st one needs payment to access some pro features but can also block internet connection to all your apps.
The 2nd one is a simple DNS blocker which can have millions of rules and won’t choke under the load.
The last one is not Foss or available on fdroid like the 1st two are, but is much more powerful than the 1st two combined.
Pick your tools and limit information now.
Have you seen the job market for programmers lately? It feels like it’s almost all for AI slop, abusive rentier middleman business models that add no real value,
defensewar contractors, or all of the above at once.That’s not to say that it’s acceptable for people to work those jobs with a clear conscience; it’s to say that for a bunch of people the only ethical options would be to remain unemployed or leave the industry.
I’ve been seeing exactly that. Reading through these job descriptions is a bit depressing. I can’t virtue signal my lack of morality and unthinking subservience to my potential employer hard enough to make cutoff to become “Director of AI Shilling” or a “Dark Pattern Consent Violation Engineer”.
I know the kind of environments that won’t work for me. This will always limit the jobs I can and can’t work and I’m generally okay with that. I would love some of that bountiful defence contractor money, but I can’t ethically justify doing work that harms others or limits their freedom. Advertising tech would have been a good fit for me… if I had no sense of ethics.
It’s a tough realization that my gaming consoles, GPS Smart Watch, and fancy modern over-engineered car only became possible because tons of money was poured into building out related tech for defence and surveillance.
I imagine the cognitive dissonance must be really strong in someone working for some of these companies that have monetized governmentally sanctioned or corporately opportunistic civil rights abuses. Then again, we’re often kept apart, working in our own little areas where we’re safe from having to see the whole horrifying machine.
It’s the same for anyone who works for Meta or MS or Google or Anduril or whatever these days: you look at your comp package that’s worth roughly half a million annually, and you say
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They have been paying people to not have morals for quite a while now.
Hmm can’t seem to load the archive site so haven’t read the whole thing. Anyone know details of how this works? Are we all fucked if we have a phone or is staying off social media and hardening security with something like Graphene OS enough to keep you out of their system?
GrapheneOS already runs google play services in a sandbox that doesn’t have core access to the device’s functionality (you can lie about giving apps storage access or location data, for example), and because you already have alternatives to ad-based services (CoMaps, Thunderbird, etc…) you should be safe from telemetry often hidden inside of popular apps like Google Maps.
Nothing’s bulletproof, of course, but the difference with GrapheneOS is that you can see what’s going on, grant permissions selectively to certain apps, or opt out entirely by only installing F-droid apps or using Graphene’s FOSS suite. You don’t have pre-baked telemetry at all, so nothing for them to harvest.
This reminds me of something… What was it… Hmm…
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And that was before the NSA leaks.
And in case it wasn’t already clear enough how absurd this all is, the creeps at Palantir are now actually so brazen as to officially call one of their mass surveillance systems “Project Gotham”…brave new world.
I guess calling it “Project Barad Dur” was a bit too on the nose after they named themselves Palantir.
Yes, maybe a bit much, but it would have been very fitting, since the marketing is obviously aimed specifically at the villains of the world—perhaps for the next project.
It’s quite telling of the times we live in that you can make it so obvious these days. You’d think that at least some concealment of the intentions behind these mass surveillance products would be appropriate, but I guess with people like Trump in the White House, Putin in the Kremlin, Netanyahu in Israel, and many others of that caliber, it’s no longer necessary.
They're openly mocking us being dumbfounded and complacent.
Looking forward to joining you guys in the upcoming rebellion.
But I am le tired
Ok take a nap…
But then fire ze missiles!
A proper Linux phone cannot come soon enough
As much as I would love to have a Linux phone, it will not fully help with privacy. The devices are logged into a cell tower and have a unique ID. This alone makes them trackable.
Yup, the baseband modem does what it’s firmware tells it to, and that’s entirely independent from the phone’s software. And open baseband modems to my knowledge don’t exist.
A removable physical or electronic SIM on a system that has full control of inbound or outbound traffic (linux phone) would still be a whole lot better than nothing. Imagine having a switch to reliably sever any heartbeat signals between the tower and the device at any time.
This would be a flight mode switch that reliably works. But it also means you are offline, which is no solution to the average “daily” problem of being tracked.
If the spyware/tracking started and ended at the cell tower it would be a good start. I’m not sure the sensor data would be sent to the tower either. It would just be a general area.
I wish smartphones only tracked and sent data about your location. They gather every personal information you could and could not imagine about you. They analyze what you click like on socia media and all your circle of friends.
A Linux phone could theoretically use other networks. You could pipe traffic through I2P or bounce it around multiple network types with reticulum. It’s actually theoretically possible to make a community mesh that doesn’t need cellular at all. I don’t NEED to carry the entire internet with me everywhere. I can carry a device with a cache of stuff I need but for everything else I can just connect to some sort of network to fetch it when I actually need it on demand.
A Linux phone would let you do that. You can explore that possibility. Android and IPhone will never allow that because latency is shot on the alternative networks and they aren’t expensive enough to make a profit off of.
The pinephone released years ago. Flip phones with removable batteries have existed for decades. At this point its on you.
What carrier do you use with a pinephone?
Bro…my weather app is selling my data? 😦
I just wanted up-to-date travel conditions in a convenient widget. My taxes already pay for the meteorology, why do they need to sell my data too??
Because greed.
Show me one weather app that’s state-sponsored (therefore: paid by taxes) that sells data to boost income.
Nearly every weather app that exists is repackaging data from an official, tax funded source. Apps using weather underground data possibly being the only exception.
Show me one that doesn’t want location permissions and such. So now they’ve got Your data and can do as they please with it.
The weather source. Not the application source. A dude needs to sit down and write that part.
Sure, and it would be cool if that dude didn’t pass my personal information to a third party.
Aaaand we circle back to THIS.
You’re having an argument with a voice in your head or something. I’m just going to tag you and go about my morning. Good luck with whatever it is you’re dealing with.
I almost forgot this is Technology, where the most insane tech views are the norm…
Breezy Weather
Not affiliated, just discovered this amazing app relatively recently.
I think the last time I tried a bunch, it came down to Breezy and Cirrus. I think they’re pretty similar but I settled on Cirrus for whatever reason. Here’s a link for anyone interested.
f-droid.org/packages/org.woheller69.omweather
To be fair, a weather app does need to know my location to give relevant information.
Absolutely. Just don’t do anything shady with that information. I think that’s all anyone’s asking.
No it doesn’t.
It just needs to know what cities you care about.
And useful idiots like /u/alaknar.
If you want the weather info sponsored by your taxes, use the browser.
If you want a convenient widget, someone needs to make it, and the developer who made that widget needs to eat too.
You can either buy an app or pay with your data.
No this implies you get a choice, which you don’t. You can get it for free and sell your data, or you can pay for it…and still also sell your data. The real money is in the data, they won’t give that up…ever.
Can you use an open source weather app, or is the problem deeper than that?
I’m not the person who posted the widget issue, but IME many FOSS solutions (not just weather-related) are more often than not aesthetically/UX crap.
Breezy Weather
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you can deny location position to your weather app. show the weather for cities you are interested in. Get weather by notifications for “seemlessness”
Yeah, I was just curious if the app could harvest it anyway via the SDK or something.
the weather app can’t. Your cell provider can without any phone permissions. Google/Apple secretly could as well. These companies love your government more than they love you.
They just love whoever pays the most. And they cheat on everyone while getting paychecks from all directions.
Many phones come with a weather app you can neither uninstall nor disable.
Yeah, that’s true. Often people will take the money from users AND from selling data. But you can (usually) verify if that’s the case by checking the app’s permissions required.
The point stands, however: you either pay for the software with money, or with data - with the only exception being the unusually rare FOSS project here and there, which either lives in relative obscurity or grows to become large enough for the creators to either start requiring money, or just fold under the load…
Breezy Weather
Thank you! This was what I was hoping someone would suggest.
He can eat without selling people’s data.
This isn’t about putting food on the table and you’re a dipshit if you believe otherwise.
Yes. By making your app paid, not free. 90% of Apple Store/Google Play store users don’t want to pay for apps with their money.
You’re childishly naive if you think it’s malice 100% of the way top to bottom.
No, by doing something else with his life because developing an app is not an all-encompassing behavior.
No, I’m just not a useful idiot going to bat for people making money off of me.
I, personally, have made significantly more complicated apps than what you’re defending and I don’t charge money for it or harvest my user’s data. I’m also not alone.
If we can do it, why can’t this scumbag? Oh yeah, because he has useful idiots like you going to bat for him.
Please, tell me more about how ignorant and innocent you are. It’s cute and predictable.
Buddy, are you suggesting that software developers should “do something else to earn money”?
Are you high right now?
Go ahead. Quote the bit where anyone in this thread is batting for anybody.
I’m becoming fairly certain that you are high. What exactly am I defending…?
We can’t have a discussion if you don’t understand some simple facts of life. Such as: “people need to eat”, or “eating costs money”, or “not everybody has the privilege of being a software developer as a side-gig”, or “not everybody wants or can be a farmer”.
Get sober, then read what you wrote again.
Yeah, morons like you will fight tooth and nail to avoid admitting you’re being taken for a ride.
It’s in your blood and I don’t expect more.
Keep being stupid.
You’re desperately trying to spit on me, but forgetting we’re both behind computer screens. Get sober. Don’t spit on your computer.
I’m telling you what your father should have.
Selling an app for a buck is profitable, if a good app.
If my taxes can pay to develop a website, they can pay to develop a widget.
Then talk to your government, get them to make the app, not just the website. Go you!
Yeah, but it got privatized, so now you need to pay more money to a 3rd party to access the services you are already paying money to access.
And pay a 4th party to go around removing you from data broker lists, is the expectation
Yeah. That’s an exercise in futility. You can’t get that data back under wraps. The only solution is to obfuscate your data with noise.
Plenty of FOSS weather apps out there that don’t sell your data. I like Breezy Weather
I think we all need to spend time on the privacy and security channels here. There are ways to resolve this data leaking. Also simple settings on your devices
Their job is to track, find, abduct, imprison and deport people. That skillset and logistic apparatus is as effective against everyone as it is immigrants.
The American Gestapo.
Is it me or are these ice goons getting fatter everyday? Are they eating the immigrants?
Meal Team 6, Fatstapo, etc.
Good luck buying your spyware with a frozen budget
Their budget, like the military, won’t get frozen IIRC. Something about being in the Defense Authorization Act I think.
It’s already paid up. They’ve basically got a piggy bank with 10 bil in it.
They already have it
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance
Trump’s executive order just made anyone who is critical of his administrations criminal conduct a terrorist by royal decree. We all should be armed and prepared to defend ourselves and our families against tyranny. They’re “disappearing” people without accountability. The pedo king literally declared war on citizens for not conforming to his dictatorship. The military was instructed to commit war crimes against American citizens yesterday. ie:raping and pillaging. Am I misreading the situation?
Nope.
He should be tried and executed for treason, but those in leadership positions in our country have betrayed their oaths. That means we all need to be armed to the fucking teeth as soon as possible.
This will not help sale of smartphones.
It will not hinder it either. People will give up many things before their smartphones.
I wish I could but feels like every job requires me to have some sort of app
I work in telecom, so no win there unless my family is ready to be homeless.
Are they paying for your phone? Are they giving a stipend for your service? Then tell them to fuck off and give you a yubikey.
In Colorado they are legally required to pay me a certain amount for my phone
FTFY
Exactly. 99.9999% of consumers don’t give a fuck as long as they can still access Facebook and TikTok.
This appears to suggest that smartphone makers (Apple, Google, etc.) are violating privacy agreements and selling user’s private data. Has anyone read their privacy agreements lately?
Anything that polls location data can record it and sell it, probably more apps that sell it than don’t.
Yup. There are dozens of these contractors in our modern surveillance state, and it’s all bought up en masse by the government (and others!) for all sorts of purposes.
Here’s a pretty good book on the subject
penguinrandomhouse.com/…/means-of-control-by-byro…
Everyone knows Apple said they would never do that and that one time defied the FBI about it. Are you saying Tim Cook would just ~lie~ let a false impression stand ?
They have since capitulated, and have done so prior to the trump admin.
Privacy policies are irrelevant here. They are picking up unique data as your phone communicates with a cell tower. You can do it with a $15 RTL-SDR receiver.
Get a hundred receivers and you can pinpoint anybody in a city.
Not just phone makers, but the telecom companies. Even if your phone shares no location data, it still checks in with a cell tower constantly. As you move around, so does your registration at a tower. It’s accurate to about 2 miles. Match that with your known home address or work address and your location is easily guessed
They don’t need the cooperation of telecom providers. They receive the same signal you send to the cell tower. Even if the signal is encrypted so they can’t see what you are sending, they can identify that you are sending.
With enough receivers listening, they can identify your location to a pretty high accuracy.
Next we’ll be reading how android has removed the ability to disable location
Ever wondered what it would have been like if the gestapo had real-time awareness of every citizen’s location at all times? You’re about to find out.
If the government had a right to that data they wouldn’t need to pay for it, they could just subpoena it. But they don’t, so instead they’re paying middle men to circumvent our rights.
Yup. Look up tow truck companies, they track license plates with their readers and lease the data to police since police can’t track without a warrant.
Some choices to help would be to avoid using precise location for weather apps. Course is usually very good unless you’re a weather tracking hobbyist. If you’re not using ad blocking it’s never a bad time to start.
Ad blocking in browser is good but combined with a DNS service that offers block lists like Hagezi’s options it’s great. These lists can block a lot of tracking and telemetry data and not just the ads themselves. ControlD and NextDNS are two solid options. NextDNS doesn’t offer Hagezi Threat Intelligence Feeds specifically but have their own proprietary version. The company claims it covers much of Hagezi’s lists but I haven’t compared.
ControlD has a 30 day free trial period with two plans either $20 or $40 per year. The $40 per year option has a future called Redirect. Their description “Spoof various web services, apps and platforms to geo-distributed proxy locations and appear to be in a different country”.
NextDNS has a free plan that can be used on multiple devices. Paid is $20 per year for unlimited. The catch to the free plan is it’s good for 300,000 queries per month. If you get close they email a warning and if you go over the service will still work as a DNS but without the blocking. It will automatically start again the next cycle.
Here’s the Hagezi GitHub but other lists are good too like OISD and AdGuard lists.
https://github.com/hagezi/dns-blocklists
I use Ultimate but that may be too restricted for some. It will break websites and apps like FaceBook, WhatsApp, Instagram. If you use those a slightly less strict list a better choice. You’ll still get protection but there’s a balance to everyone’s needs so do read up on each list and what makes sense for you.
All that wrapped in a trusted VPN and you’re doing pretty well. Nothing is perfect and if a government power wants to know where you are this isn’t going to stop them. For me that’s not what this is for. I use this stuff against the ads and tracking crap everywhere. I’m not trying to hide and can’t really offer much regarding that.
I’m maybe a bit over the top compared to some. If this all sounds crazy a simple ad blocker (AdGuard, uBlock Origin) in browser and course location for weather and anything else location based that makes sense is a solid start. You can always whitelist websites you wish to support via ad revenue if that’s an interest.
Can I upload these lists to my PiHole?
Yes they can be used with a PiHole. I don’t use one so I can’t offer much for set up. On the GitHub page each list version has various links depending on the format needed for where it will be used. For example, PiHole is under the Adblock format which works with (Pi-hole, AdGuard, AdGuard Home, eBlocker, uBlock Origin, Brave (only in aggressive mode), AdNauseam, Little Snitch Mini).
In my research about this stuff I saw many people talking about these lists for their own home DNS set up. Good luck!
Awesome. Thanks. PiHole lists are pretty simple. They’re just plaintext.
And they say there’s never any good news.
So they will know where I have been? Even though I am not American… I remember when the British government demanded that Apple give them that kind of information on all iPhone users all over the world and Apple told them to go fuck themselves.
This is some real bullshit.
techcrunch.com/…/uk-government-tries-again-to-acc… they don’t know when to quit
Because they will never quit. Ever. We need to get lucky and stop them every time (and I feel powerless beyond signing some petition online and maybe making a donation), but they need to get lucky once.
And I cannot recall a single time that such laws were ever repealed. The patriot act has had some questionable efficacy and now ICE and the Trump administration want so many more additions that there is just no going back.
Even in Canada, which never had an issue with terrorism, has passed many laws heavily infringing on people’s freedoms and are trying to pass the biggest one yet with Bill C-2, even though it actually weakens border protections and gives American companies far, far more ability to surveil Canadians than ever before. This is when violence and terror threats have been greatly diminishing for years (and not because of some BS laws).
Because they are planning for if people rise up to fight back. It’s not about protecting you. It’s about protecting them.
I track the location of hundreds maybe thousands of phones every day for minutes at the time. I see people using them while I commute. Where can I collect my fee from the US government for my services?
I own my data so let’s meet where you can pay me what you owe me.
Yeah, doing everything they can to make “land of the free” whiter.
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Land of the melanin free
Time for meshtasctic? Or nothing. How about never using our phones again?
Definitely considering looking into portable Faraday cages…
Guess it doesn’t really matter when the license plate on my car is tracked everywhere I go and all the big businesses use face identification the moment you walk into their stores, probably all run by the same vendor and packaged and sold to the highest bidder.
I hate this dystopia.
Take your phone, turn it off then leave it in a bus while its on. Find the bus later.
you’re more likely to get it back if you leave it at the airport.
Meshtastic might not be the best tool for this. Reticulum is more versatile.
You don’t want anything that pings a cellphone tower.
Reticulum doesn’t need a cellphone tower either.
eff.org/…/meet-rayhunter-new-open-source-tool-eff…
Has anyone set one of these up? A friend of mine just found one in a box during their move, and asked if this project was still active.
Install the android developer tools, or whatever it is that includes the adb utility. Download the software from the EFF & run the install script while your device is plugged in via usb.
github.com/EFForg/rayhunter/releases
Just need to financially cripple investment into companies like this. Go out of your way to march with your wallet to get impacts into their profitability.
But spying on former chancellor angela merkel is not? reuters.com/…/us-spy-agency-tapped-german-chancel… www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57302806
Or maybe it’s all bad.
Most Americans I know were upset with both.
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Uh huh. And it will work as well as tariffs.
Wym? Stingray devices work and they’re being actively utilized against the public.
Who needs a stingray when they built the backdoor right into the actual network.
Hide a bunch of burner phones in really shitty locations. Go on brownshirts, work for it.
Of course the US Government is using Israeli Spyware to track American citizens.