Just nothing but pages of "exploit and abuse engineers"

His notebook empty. Cook, when the infinite loop fell!

Meh, when you have a chip that powerful and that energy efficient, trying something in wearable computing is a no brainer imo.

he also hated non-skeuomorphic design, and yet here we are for the better in a world where we’ve moved on from that dated concept

just because he didn’t like something doesn’t make it wrong for apple to pursue

The cracks in this case are really that governments will no longer support the model that Apple created.

Cracks? Cracks! These are not cracks, these are features of our product. Their features of our business! It’s what differentiates us from the fractured Windows and Android communities. You want these crac…err features, you need them because it makes our products better.

/s

The cracks have been visible on just about every teen girl’s iphone screen.

I’ve never complimented, or defended Steve Jobs before, because he was a grade A piece of shit…but, Steve Jobs transformed technology precisely because he was a phenomenal salesman, with a great eye for technical talent.

Just because he wasn’t an engineer, doesn’t change the fact that he forged Apple into what it became, and that absolutely contributed to modern technology - for better, and worse.

After listening to the recent Behind the Bastards episode on him, yeah absolutely. It’s amazing his legacy isn’t judged more harshly.

It’s also partially because any decent engineer/technocrat both lacks sufficient charisma and cash flow, and more importantly looks at public service and says “there’s no reliable way I can keep my morals and make a difference there.” As an engineer myself, I can’t imagine dealing with the general public. Choosing the correct, logical path will never win over people who put opinions and faith/feelings over reasoning and science. We’ve seen it time and time again and I’m not going to bang my head against that wall.

Instead I help friends and family, contribute to open source and projects I believe in and be the change I want to see in the world. Trying to do that as an elected official would foster insanity and pushback from those who don’t care and only want their side to win, regardless of the overall outcome.

Also: yes SJ was a POS, but he was a POS with charisma, a plan, and smart enough to surround himself with people who could make his ideas happen… and then micromanage them.

wonks/technocrats

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who contributed nothing to technology.

If it wasn’t for jobs Wozniak would still be putting breadboards together in his garage. We have no idea what the personal computer ecosystem would have looked like without the apple 2. He gets a lot more credit than he deserves sometimes but the idea that he contributed nothing is absurd. If he had contributed nothing you wouldn’t know his name.

To be fair, he also had an eye for good product design. Not the skills to implement it but the ability to see whether a design is good.

Of course he expressed this skill by yelling at his engineers and designers. A lot. Because he was an asshole.

To be fair, we saw formerly what Apple without jobs did, it was a failure. So one might wonder when the new Apple might run out. The catch being that the iPhone, app store, and iTunes are all indefinite money machines, except maybe iPhone one day. So they had a steak of ever increasingly wildly successful products that culminated in the iPhone and then no mind blowing follow-up, but they don’t need one. Folks may like the narrative that Jobs death coincided with their last big product category though

We also saw Jobs without Apple, also pretty much a failure.

He was very much the Elon Musk of his times, and it’s very possible he would have gone down the same route of extremist views and decisions that completely failed because of his egoism.

It is equally possible his leadership style would have squandered the opportunities Apple has had since his death had it been him and not Cook in charge.

Look at NeXT right before Apple ‘bought’ them. They were pretty much on their deathbed. Turns out, marketing $10,000 workstations to college students isn’t such a smart idea.

I'm pretty sure the main reason people hate Jobs is because by all accounts he was an absolute ass and was objectively a wackadoodle when it came to that homeopathic healing shit and not showering.

At the time iPhone 1 didn’t seem like anything smarter than an iPod that could take calls. I was hyped over the Nokia 770 and eager to see what else would come out with Meamo OS. It took till mid 2008 until iPhone 3G and iOS 2 (and app store) were released.

Thanks for saving me a click (and multiple eyerolls)

But did they wear jeans and black turtlenecks?

Quick plug for the Behind the Bastards series on Jobs

It’s one thing to make a tool accomplish a task.

It’s another thing to beat the engineers until grandma can operate the tool.

I didn’t like the guy either, and found it funny that his own bullshit killed him in the end, but he did add “value”.

The same with Musk. People are seeing him as the sole engineer of Tesla and SpaceX while in reality anonymous engineers did all this possible.

Im not gonna sit here and shill for people like job and musk. But i have to say there is somethkng to be said about steering a ship in the right direction.

Jobs knew how to market the products, and steer the engineers in the right direction.

One thing he always said was that there only needed to be one iphone and one ipad. I recall that the with the ipad he said it was the perfect size and didn’t need alternatives or it would become less functional.

Then he died and the ipad mini was released, as well as the iphone 5c.

In 2012, the year following the iphone 5c and the year of the ipad mini apple lost its global market lead to android.

They diluted the product and confused the market of loyalists and general consumers by releasing multiple versions of their main product and if you ask me, thats when the cracks started to show.

Apple havent had a majority of the global market share for years now.

Even if we think about commerce and popularization stuff - people like Bill Joy or James Clark or many other names are much cooler than this particular salesman.

Jobs basically had one job - be the screaming obnoxious asshole in charge who harangued the engineers until they came up with something to his liking. And then took the credit when they did. Basically just the Elon Musk of his day.

I mean, certainly he gets more credit than deserved. But I find it hard to deny the major impact he had. When he was hired back as CEO in the late 90s, Apple already had talented engineers, but there was no coherence or direction in what they were working on, and the next gen OS was never going to happen. Back then, CEO Michael Dell was asked what he’d do if he were in charge of Apple and he said he’d shut it down. Apple was a punching bag in the industry.

Jobs immediately made radical changes at the company, eliminating most of their product line which was superfluous and confusing, shutting down software projects that were “neat” but didn’t fit into a vision, putting them on the path to release OS X (which his company had envisioned and developed the basis for while he was away from Apple), changing their marketing strategy, making the most clear-cut product line I’d ever seen, and turning conference keynotes into must-see TV. And in addition to that he pushed Apple towards the iMac, the iPod and the music store, and the iPhone.

It took amazing engineers and a lot of work and pain to actually deliver these products. And Jobs does get more credit than deserved. But I think he does deserve a whole lot of credit.

The amount of credit people give Steve Jobs is such a kick to the nuts to all the engineers that designed those products

Try to lead an engineering team and make them all pull the same way and create a high quality, cohesive offering. It’s not as simple as you think. Good engineers should be recognized, but so should actual good leadership and technical vision. Steve’s visions may not always have been hits (and he often struggled with pricing) but it’s undeniable he had vision.

I listened to an interview with Scott Forestall several years back and he discusses the meeting he was in where Steve Jobs basically gave them the idea for the iPhone. He had seen the multi-touch displays, initially just used for very large displays, and also was seeing mobile phones take off at the same time. He was the one who put those two together and told the team to work on it. Sure, the product managers and designers came up with the details of the product and engineers figured out the tech to support it, but without that initial idea and leadership’s support to expend resources on building it, it may not have happened.

There are a lot of companies with bad uninspiring leadership that just ship what everyone else is shipping. Apple under Steve Jobs was trying to innovate.

Boeing’s stock kept rising in the last 10 years, because they were sacrificing what they should be doing for shareholder value. Stock price alone is not a good metric for companies.

I hate how people point towards profit and claim that is an argument a company is successful.

It is easy to make a lot of money when exploiting workers, customers and all the people of the countries you evade taxes in.

It is like claiming drug barons, mafia bosses and human traffickers are successful. Successful in evading the law maybe.

NoteBookCheck is a legit website, what issue do you have with them? I always found their reviews and information and testing to be high quality

This is like shitting on GamersNexus because they removed some shitty product in every video to make money

So you think they should just make no money because you’re mildly inconvenienced?

Either you pay for access like the good old newspaper by gatekeeping the page or run unrelated ads from google AdWords and get paid by people clicking on them.

“People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you’re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most sophisticated technology the world has ever seen and they bully you with it. They are The Advertisers and they are laughing at you.

You, however, are forbidden to touch them. Trademarks, intellectual property rights and copyright law mean advertisers can say what they like wherever they like with total impunity.

Fuck that. Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. It’s yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head.

You owe the companies nothing. Less than nothing, you especially don’t owe them any courtesy. They owe you. They have re-arranged the world to put themselves in front of you. They never asked for your permission, don’t even start asking for theirs.”

– Banksy

Do you mean your second generation iPad or your iPad that is 2 generations old?

Jobs’ vision was fundamentally to make technology accessible to the masses.

Bullshit, maybe Woz had that, but Jobs? No way! His goal right from the Apple II was clearly to make money, and maximize it by controlling the tech instead of setting it free.

Already with Macintosh it was a “walled garden”, with many closed aspects to secure Apple had control. With iPhone it became even worse, and has NOTHING to do with making tech accessible, on the contrary. He made it easy because there’s money in that, he didn’t make it accessible, the price structure alone makes that an obviously false statement.

Jobs had an eye for design, but to call it that he wanted to make it accessible, is like arguing a fashion designer makes expensive designer clothes to make it accessible to people.

I can’t see how that’s ever arguable since Apple has only been about premium high-end products since Jobs took over. That’s literally the opposite of Henry Ford.

APPL is second only to MSFT by market cap. So far, the stock market doesn’t care.

Yep. Doesn’t matter how healthy or stable a company is… when infinite growth is no longer feasible, investors would rather pick the bones clean than let it be.

It’s almost like… endless growth is unsustainable.

Edit: Downvoted by a shareholder lol

Idk, more and more people are switching to mac and ditching windows. If their m1 thing continues being successful they’re going to have a more severe monopoly than Microsoft ever did. It’s one thing to patch Microsoft’s half ass attempts to embrace extend destroy Linux but that isn’t going to work out as well anymore once all the mainstream stuff is quarantined to an entire different cpu architecture and computers that no longer use off the shelf parts.

Luckily the only software they really have right now that Linux doesn’t is that s tier video editor and then no one wants to use their stupid Metal graphic acceleration so games are going to have a hard time taking off as well. Too bad most people think “command lines are too hard”.

The common person is going to lose access to computers as we know them today if Apple wins. If it gets to the point where the only modem mainstream systems left are M1 macs, everything computer related is going to get 10x as expensive. $1000 for a potato ass MacBook Air is already obnoxious but when that’s the only choice, that potato ass MacBook Air is going to cost $10k.

by making that device a phone with internet access.

Fuck you WAP phones existed. Blackberries existed.

Except the warp pipe would be cool.

You can extend this argument to saying everyone should master the command line. They’re all interfaces. There’s no “right way” to use a computer.

Jobs turned the computer into a product used by everyday people who don’t give a shit about how it works, and that’s fine. That’s empowering because it lowers the barrier to entry.

That said, we’ve been in a much worse “eternal September” since the iPhone shipped.

I agree. I had to explain to a younger family member today that when I say “open notepad”, I meant the application that’s been on every Windows version since they were born, not to Google “notepad”

Gave me a crisis that people know so little of what would have been considered basic computer usage a while back.

Such is the result of Fisher Price’ing their devices.