Vector@lemmy.world
on 21 Dec 2023 01:42
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A key innovation of the new study is that the researchers were also able to figure out what kinds of information the deep-learning model was using to make its antibiotic potency predictions. This knowledge could help researchers to design additional drugs that might work even better than the ones identified by the model.
That is awesome. I wonder if the techniques that they have used to expose the machine learning “black box” process can be applied to other models - from my understanding of it, that would be pretty big news in and of itself.
c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world
on 21 Dec 2023 03:17
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Hope so, that’s the big leap forward with machine learning IMO.
Legendsofanus@lemmy.world
on 21 Dec 2023 11:00
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So what, we are learning what caused AI to come to a conclusion?
Tremble@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Dec 2023 01:49
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Great; so this is all public domain knowledge since it was created with AI according to current law, right?
roofuskit@lemmy.world
on 21 Dec 2023 01:52
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I think those rulings have only applied to creative works. We’ll see.
LanternEverywhere@kbin.social
on 21 Dec 2023 02:46
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This 100% is classified as a creative work. That's why drugs are able to be patented in the first place.
Daxtron2@startrek.website
on 21 Dec 2023 03:43
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Personally I think all medicine should be public domain
datendefekt@lemmy.ml
on 21 Dec 2023 07:14
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All utilities, phone, electricity, sewage, road and rail.
But actually looking at these, pretty much all protocols and standards are already open.
Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 21 Dec 2023 07:45
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So you want to reduce innovation and cause creators to not get properly paid for their work? Great idea
themurphy@lemmy.world
on 21 Dec 2023 08:16
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No, because paying for your medicin and Internet is something your government/country SHOULD do.
Healthy people with access to the surrounding world through the Internet is a giant net positive for a country.
But ofc we have to think of the poor billionaires first.
Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 21 Dec 2023 19:32
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Healthy people with access to the surrounding world through the Internet is a giant net positive for a country
Certainly, if that was all the public domain was, it’d be great! But it’s much worse than that. It allows people to freely take and profit off the art of others without paying dividends. It allows larger companies to steal and copy designs of small, new companies and under cut them even more readily and easily than they already do.
There’s plenty of downsides that you’re not considering.
themurphy@lemmy.world
on 22 Dec 2023 11:05
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I don’t know if you commented on the wrong thing, but I argued that medicin and Internet (and similar) should be paid by the country (taxes).
Private just makes more money and also you can do ridiculous shit like blow up your own rocket, destroying a landing pad in the process and ignore environmental and labor laws.
Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 21 Dec 2023 19:29
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So you’re just going to ignore the even worse creative theft that would happen under such laws towards artistic talents.
There’d be much less in the way of tv shows or animations.
guitarsarereal@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Dec 2023 06:46
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Yeah, so the actual law is that if you didn’t do any work and just gave ChatGPT or Midjourney a prompt and it shat out a picture and then brag to the copyright office in your application that you didn’t do diddly squat, the work effectively had no human authors. If, instead, you build a new machine learning model, tune it for your specific problem, analyze the results, and furthermore, break new ground understanding how it solved your problem, and then you write the paper, in fact, you have tons of ownership over the work.
The fact people can’t tell the difference between the two and are actually upvoting you kind of says a lot about how little most people understand this stuff.
just_another_person@lemmy.world
on 21 Dec 2023 10:32
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I’m just downvoting you for being a smarmy prick. Not because your comment is inaccurate.
guitarsarereal@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Dec 2023 10:55
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Would you also agree it’s rude to imply that this group of researchers, who actually advanced the state of the art in machine learning, are just a bunch of ChatGPT jockeys who don’t deserve credit for their work?
lolcatnip@reddthat.com
on 21 Dec 2023 18:28
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There was no nuance in what you posted. Being a dick about it is a sign of low emotional intelligence. As is responding with a Star Wars quote that implies anyone saying it is a Sith.
MaximilianKohler@lemmy.world
on 21 Dec 2023 21:52
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There was no nuance in what you posted
This is a flat out lie. The fact that people are upvoting it is very depressing. It’s disappointing to see that people on lemmy aren’t any smarter than people on reddit.
No but people should really stop abusing OTC antibiotics like Neosporin. You don’t have to put it on every wound.
InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works
on 22 Dec 2023 03:17
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I tend to have wounds scab into the dressing which sucks because it rips out when you change it. Which is why I got vitamin E gel for those times I don’t need an antibiotics. The capsules are also more convenient to carry around than a tube and take virtually no space in a bag/kit.
lolcatnip@reddthat.com
on 22 Dec 2023 03:50
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Yes but there’s no reason to snark about a new class of antibiotics unless you think they shouldn’t be used at all.
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That is awesome. I wonder if the techniques that they have used to expose the machine learning “black box” process can be applied to other models - from my understanding of it, that would be pretty big news in and of itself.
Hope so, that’s the big leap forward with machine learning IMO.
So what, we are learning what caused AI to come to a conclusion?
Great; so this is all public domain knowledge since it was created with AI according to current law, right?
I think those rulings have only applied to creative works. We’ll see.
This 100% is classified as a creative work. That's why drugs are able to be patented in the first place.
Personally I think all medicine should be public domain
Everything should.
Medicine. Internet. Waste disposal.
All utilities, phone, electricity, sewage, road and rail.
But actually looking at these, pretty much all protocols and standards are already open.
So you want to reduce innovation and cause creators to not get properly paid for their work? Great idea
No, because paying for your medicin and Internet is something your government/country SHOULD do.
Healthy people with access to the surrounding world through the Internet is a giant net positive for a country.
But ofc we have to think of the poor billionaires first.
Certainly, if that was all the public domain was, it’d be great! But it’s much worse than that. It allows people to freely take and profit off the art of others without paying dividends. It allows larger companies to steal and copy designs of small, new companies and under cut them even more readily and easily than they already do.
There’s plenty of downsides that you’re not considering.
I don’t know if you commented on the wrong thing, but I argued that medicin and Internet (and similar) should be paid by the country (taxes).
lol “innovation” what is this 1925?
how innovative are the cars being produced because they look the same.
half those medicines are publicly funded
the Internet is publicly funded.
this belief of private sector innovation is not as true as they sell it to be.
This. Public institutions do a way better job and are more efficient at most things compared to private companies. It’s just a fact.
Private just makes more money and also you can do ridiculous shit like blow up your own rocket, destroying a landing pad in the process and ignore environmental and labor laws.
So you’re just going to ignore the even worse creative theft that would happen under such laws towards artistic talents.
There’d be much less in the way of tv shows or animations.
why do you think that??
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Yeah, so the actual law is that if you didn’t do any work and just gave ChatGPT or Midjourney a prompt and it shat out a picture and then brag to the copyright office in your application that you didn’t do diddly squat, the work effectively had no human authors. If, instead, you build a new machine learning model, tune it for your specific problem, analyze the results, and furthermore, break new ground understanding how it solved your problem, and then you write the paper, in fact, you have tons of ownership over the work.
The fact people can’t tell the difference between the two and are actually upvoting you kind of says a lot about how little most people understand this stuff.
I’m just downvoting you for being a smarmy prick. Not because your comment is inaccurate.
Would you also agree it’s rude to imply that this group of researchers, who actually advanced the state of the art in machine learning, are just a bunch of ChatGPT jockeys who don’t deserve credit for their work?
I hope you’re at least consistent and downvoted yourself, then.
Same :/
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Depends, what was the training set / knowledge base?
Great!
With the defeat of the super bugs, I for one welcome the super super bugs.
I guess all the people solely cheering for this aren’t aware of the damage we’ve been doing to ourselves with antibiotics:
While antibiotic resistance gets all the attention, the damage being done to our host-native microbiomes is arguably as big a threat as climate change, as the damage compounds over generations, and once it’s gone you can’t get it back. (Apr 2019).
Resistance may already be a solved problem: humanmicrobiome.info/antibiotics/#fmt-to-counter-…
Interesting. Who is the seemingly random person posting on a forum about human biomes? Do you have a peer reviewed paper on it?
It says who they are in their signature. And a plethora of peer-reviewed papers are cited.
Would you prefer to live in a world without antibiotics?
Only a Sith deals in absolutes. humanmicrobiome.info/antibiotics/#antibiotics-ove…
IMO, the lack of ability for nuance is a sign of low intelligence.
Relevant: Antibiotics that kill gut bacteria also stop growth of new brain cells: www.sciencedaily.com/releases/…/160519130105.htm
There was no nuance in what you posted. Being a dick about it is a sign of low emotional intelligence. As is responding with a Star Wars quote that implies anyone saying it is a Sith.
This is a flat out lie. The fact that people are upvoting it is very depressing. It’s disappointing to see that people on lemmy aren’t any smarter than people on reddit.
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No but people should really stop abusing OTC antibiotics like Neosporin. You don’t have to put it on every wound.
I tend to have wounds scab into the dressing which sucks because it rips out when you change it. Which is why I got vitamin E gel for those times I don’t need an antibiotics. The capsules are also more convenient to carry around than a tube and take virtually no space in a bag/kit.
Yes but there’s no reason to snark about a new class of antibiotics unless you think they shouldn’t be used at all.
Great. Now lock it away and require CDC approval for each dose. We may just get out of this alive.
Just kidding, nobody gets out of life alive.
Decade tops.