Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
on 17 Aug 2024 07:42
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This doesn’t sound catty at all, it sounds like a legitimate concern.
Buelldozer@lemmy.today
on 17 Aug 2024 23:31
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It’s catty because THEIR satellites won’t be a problem when they start launching in 18 months…it’s only Starlink satellites that will have this problem.
It’s a thinly veiled attempt at slowing down T-Mo and Starlink until Verizon and AT&T are ready to compete. That’s it.
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
on 18 Aug 2024 01:58
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If I understand correctly, they will use the same frequencies as terrestrial service - possible causing interference.
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
on 18 Aug 2024 03:14
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Yup. It’s the same underlying tech, basically a cell tower in space, and it sounds like Starlink is doing a poor job of keeping their radio emissions within the frequencies they’re allowed.
etchinghillside@reddthat.com
on 17 Aug 2024 20:05
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So – it’ll be okay once they have their own satellite product integrations launched? And then everyone but those 3 are screwed? (Don’t even know if there are more than those 3.)
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
on 18 Aug 2024 03:13
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I swear, people on this site have the weirdest opinions. Starlink is interfering with their service, of course they have a problem with that.
etchinghillside@reddthat.com
on 18 Aug 2024 03:25
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The article mentions that these companies are also working on rolling out their own solutions at a later date. And I am guessing they would be using the same techniques that would be causing the disruption.
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
on 18 Aug 2024 05:15
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And I am guessing
etchinghillside@reddthat.com
on 18 Aug 2024 18:53
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Anything you’d like for me to reference to better educate my guess?
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
on 18 Aug 2024 23:23
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Nah. You just carry on with your reckons.
LordKitsuna@lemmy.world
on 18 Aug 2024 04:04
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They are claiming that they think it would, despite the fact that both T-Mobile and starlink have demonstrated that it won’t in trials. They are also simultaneously getting ready to roll out their own service based on the exact same technology which proves they are just talking out their ass because they want more time to catch up
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
on 18 Aug 2024 05:16
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A trial run by Starlink has found Starlink won’t interfere with other carriers?
Guess we’ll take their word for it.
LordKitsuna@lemmy.world
on 18 Aug 2024 05:40
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Starlink and T-Mobile, in a limited area that was approved by the FCC for testing. And at the end of that trial they are required to give the results to the FCC so AT&T and Verizon wouldn’t even need to say anything if it was going to cause interference the FCC would just stop it at the end of the trials. The fact that that didn’t happen and that they now feel the need to try and say it might interfere is proof that they are just stalling.
And again they are literally getting ready to roll out the exact same thing, based on the exact same technology, using the exact same frequencies. They literally just want time to catch up because they got caught slacking lol
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
on 18 Aug 2024 23:24
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If that’s true, why do they need this exemption?
LordKitsuna@lemmy.world
on 18 Aug 2024 23:34
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You could try actually reading? The article goes over why they want the exemption. Which is mainly that the fcc’s maximum transmit power for this particular band is both outdated and wildly over cautious. They argue that you can easily transmit with more power without creating any interference and that’s what the trial was demonstrating
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
on 19 Aug 2024 01:00
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Specifically, AT&T’s technical analysis shows that SpaceX’s proposal would cause an 18 percent average reduction in network downlink throughput
That kinda sounds like the opposite of what you’re saying?
And the limit was regarding out of band emissions, not those within the allocated frequency.
LordKitsuna@lemmy.world
on 19 Aug 2024 01:42
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It’s true technical analysis does show the opposite, however it’s a technical analysis. AKA Engineers making educated guesses. Which is the reason the FCC allowed a limited test area to run actual trials to verify. And the fact that the FCC has not immediately shut it down implies that they have not been able to confirm what that technical analysis predicted.
Don’t get me wrong I’m no big huge fan of starlink over here, but both AT&T and Verizon have a long standing history of competing through litigation rather than actual service so I’m inclined to give T-Mobile and starlink the benefit of the doubt here.
When everyone was first getting new frequency opened up AT&T and Verizon fought over millimeter wave while T-Mobile mostly ignored it and went for the mid band 600-800mhz. This caused the T-Mobile to have an insane lead over actual 5G deployment you can now get good 5G speeds out in the middle of rural fuck nowhere because you’ll be on the 700 band 12.
Meanwhile millimeter wave is still useless because a piece of rice paper will block the signal entirely so it only works in extremely extremely limited areas of town with direct line of sight and no obstacles to the Tower. So Verizon and AT&T started complaining to the FCC that T-Mobile has too much spectrum and they can’t possibly compete even though they made absolutely no attempt whatsoever during the initial bidding to get any mid-band.
Now we see the same thing here, T-Mobile is getting ahead of everyone Verizon and AT&T are lagging behind they plan to roll out the exact same service, with the exact same frequencies, with the exact same technology, however they are still in the planning phase and starlink/t-mobile is just about ready to activate it so they are complaining
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This doesn’t sound catty at all, it sounds like a legitimate concern.
It’s catty because THEIR satellites won’t be a problem when they start launching in 18 months…it’s only Starlink satellites that will have this problem.
It’s a thinly veiled attempt at slowing down T-Mo and Starlink until Verizon and AT&T are ready to compete. That’s it.
We’ll see.
If I understand correctly, they will use the same frequencies as terrestrial service - possible causing interference.
Yup. It’s the same underlying tech, basically a cell tower in space, and it sounds like Starlink is doing a poor job of keeping their radio emissions within the frequencies they’re allowed.
So – it’ll be okay once they have their own satellite product integrations launched? And then everyone but those 3 are screwed? (Don’t even know if there are more than those 3.)
I swear, people on this site have the weirdest opinions. Starlink is interfering with their service, of course they have a problem with that.
The article mentions that these companies are also working on rolling out their own solutions at a later date. And I am guessing they would be using the same techniques that would be causing the disruption.
Anything you’d like for me to reference to better educate my guess?
Nah. You just carry on with your reckons.
They are claiming that they think it would, despite the fact that both T-Mobile and starlink have demonstrated that it won’t in trials. They are also simultaneously getting ready to roll out their own service based on the exact same technology which proves they are just talking out their ass because they want more time to catch up
A trial run by Starlink has found Starlink won’t interfere with other carriers?
Guess we’ll take their word for it.
Starlink and T-Mobile, in a limited area that was approved by the FCC for testing. And at the end of that trial they are required to give the results to the FCC so AT&T and Verizon wouldn’t even need to say anything if it was going to cause interference the FCC would just stop it at the end of the trials. The fact that that didn’t happen and that they now feel the need to try and say it might interfere is proof that they are just stalling.
And again they are literally getting ready to roll out the exact same thing, based on the exact same technology, using the exact same frequencies. They literally just want time to catch up because they got caught slacking lol
If that’s true, why do they need this exemption?
You could try actually reading? The article goes over why they want the exemption. Which is mainly that the fcc’s maximum transmit power for this particular band is both outdated and wildly over cautious. They argue that you can easily transmit with more power without creating any interference and that’s what the trial was demonstrating
That kinda sounds like the opposite of what you’re saying?
And the limit was regarding out of band emissions, not those within the allocated frequency.
It’s true technical analysis does show the opposite, however it’s a technical analysis. AKA Engineers making educated guesses. Which is the reason the FCC allowed a limited test area to run actual trials to verify. And the fact that the FCC has not immediately shut it down implies that they have not been able to confirm what that technical analysis predicted.
Don’t get me wrong I’m no big huge fan of starlink over here, but both AT&T and Verizon have a long standing history of competing through litigation rather than actual service so I’m inclined to give T-Mobile and starlink the benefit of the doubt here.
When everyone was first getting new frequency opened up AT&T and Verizon fought over millimeter wave while T-Mobile mostly ignored it and went for the mid band 600-800mhz. This caused the T-Mobile to have an insane lead over actual 5G deployment you can now get good 5G speeds out in the middle of rural fuck nowhere because you’ll be on the 700 band 12.
Meanwhile millimeter wave is still useless because a piece of rice paper will block the signal entirely so it only works in extremely extremely limited areas of town with direct line of sight and no obstacles to the Tower. So Verizon and AT&T started complaining to the FCC that T-Mobile has too much spectrum and they can’t possibly compete even though they made absolutely no attempt whatsoever during the initial bidding to get any mid-band.
Now we see the same thing here, T-Mobile is getting ahead of everyone Verizon and AT&T are lagging behind they plan to roll out the exact same service, with the exact same frequencies, with the exact same technology, however they are still in the planning phase and starlink/t-mobile is just about ready to activate it so they are complaining