Twitch updates sexual content guidelines amid ‘topless’ meta backlash
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from L4s@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 14 Dec 2023 04:00
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from L4s@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 14 Dec 2023 04:00
https://lemmy.world/post/9545462
Twitch updates sexual content guidelines amid ‘topless’ meta backlash::undefined
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Where exactly are these topless streams so I can make sure to uh… avoid them… in the future?
Honestly you can probably scroll the front page and find them if they’re on, they’ll have a ton of viewers.
They usually cover/conceal nipples, so you don’t see everything.
In the list of “games”, the top item is the “Just Talking” or whatever the category is called. Click that and try various sorting.
This woman mentioned in the article, Morgpie, has quite a bit of content on Reddit and otherwise if you’re looking for some research material. She’s got some very high quality educational videos…
If you have an account, just go to one of their channels one time. Twitch will never recommend anything else again.
…Okay, it will sometimes recommend other stuff but you’re never gonna be free of “thirst”-related content. Also, www.twitch.tv/…/pools-hot-tubs-and-beaches here’s the category you want
to avoid:PYou can click the three dots on recommendations and there is a “not interested” option.
What is “thirst” in this context
Horniness. Sexual arousal.
Open a new browser tab and navigate to Bing. Type “topless streams” into the search bar. Spend a brief moment being disappointed that it seems like there’s no topless streams on the internet. Then disable safe search and make sure you’re not connected to a Bluetooth speaker or Chromecasting your screen (actually should have done that before the search, but it’s too late, everyone knows you’re a porn-seeking pervert, so you might as well just reconnect that Bluetooth speaker).
Glad I’m not on twitch, or twitter, or instagram or TikTok…but what a time to be alive for camgirls and camboys and everything in between or outside of that.
Oh no, almost visible tits!? Nono we can’t have that, it’ll morally bankrupt our audience.
Edit: apparently they’re more lenient as long as it is properly tagged. Nice.
My only issue is that kids use the platform a lot and shouldn’t be exposed to overly sexualised content when they’re just looking for gaming content. Twitch apparently says they’ll try to remove it from the front page but stuff inevitably gets though.
What happened to good parenting being a valid solution to a problem like that?
Kids will be kids. Good parenting makes a big difference but kids will end up seeing and seeking these things at some point.
And how can twitch prevent that? The parent can just block all of twitch, then whitelist vetted streamers.
This works if parents have the technical knowledge to do so. Otherwise it ends with the parents clutching their pearls or just having their ISP block Twitch outright on the router or something. Which might lead to the kids learning the technical skills to get around these blocks if they want to watch Twitch badly enough.
Kids learning to bypass security is a great start for learning technical skills. Inept school IT got a lot of kids started on their way to lucrative jobs.
I had “good parenting” and I still did so much shit. Lol
Good parenting in the age of streaming platforms and social media is a frigging minefield. I’m not saying it should be easy, but it has entirely new challenges that didn’t exist for all of humanity before the internet. You can’t even ban your kids from the platforms to solve the problem because schools depend on YouTube for instruction, and work is done on Chromebooks that parents usually have no admin control over.
Again, not saying parents get a free pass, but the challenges are evident.
Tbh I recall watching a kugkrizat video talking about how the Internet is so enshitifiyd due to how we’ve all made a few midea platforms become the Internet town square. I think that is not only making everyone hostile to one another but it’s also made parenting next to impossible on the web. Everywhere that there are people there are some edgy people as well. You can’t really regulate anything without pissing a sizeable amount of the population off.
Good parenting is not letting your children using twitch. Let’s be honest, the whole web is degenerate. You either have to curate absolutely every piece of content your child consumes or have to give them the skills to identify and turn off in appropriate content (which isn’t easy either)
Sure, but you could have a setting which allows sexualised content to be accessed or showed. Or just a popup when entering the stream like it already does with mature streams or whatever they’re called. You can have the streams only visible to people logged in, have people put their age on the account when making it (not sure if already a thing) and not show this stuff to people under 18. Yes you can just say you’re 18 but in that case the kids do it deliberately and won’t just stumble upon it. Have the parents do an underage account for them. Lots of options, and yes, the parents do have responsibility as well.
These things never work at all.
Aaaaaand the Art category is covered in furry penises and nude little anime girls…
You’re worried about kids seeing a nipple while they watch a streamer turn their enemy into a bloody mess. If we can accept kids seeing constant violence in their media, I really don’t think nudity is a big deal. We have our priorities all messed up.
I typed out a multiple paragraph response to this and really it boiled down to a couple sentences so I’ll just post them instead. It’s about reputation, twitch doesn’t want to be known as a soft core porn site and if a parent sees a boob then it could impact whether they let their teenager use the site (which to be honest is there most active user base). It’s not about having priorities straight wrt sex vs violence, it’s just maximizing profit.
There are also Mario videos and Suika. It’s not just nips or Bloodbath the Incinerator HD.
It’s hard parenting because the platforms change quickly and navigating when and how to have impactful conversations with kids is hard.
Nah I don’t care about that, I care about it being shoved in their faces. My kids are at least old enough to know about these topics somewhat and can make the distinction between video game violence and some cam girl.
Can you imagine the trauma it would cause if a child were to inadvertently see a nipple? Unthinkably horrible.
My 4-year old nephew was watching YouTube Kids one night when I was babysitting, and some roblox trash was on. Usernames and chat were included on-screen. “I hate N****rs” “gas the Jews” and similar were prominent usernames and chat was full of 4Chan type chat. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ All these platforms are unfit for kids.
Should just remove kids tbh
If Twitch wants to be an adult platform then they should honestly.
Agreed!
Kids shouldn’t be on the internet unsupervised, that’s the parents’ responsibility. The internet shouldn’t have to cater to a bunch of brats that shouldn’t be on these platforms in the first place, the internet was never meant for children.
I talk constantly with my kids and they’re preteen and already having sex talks. Maybe more parents need to stop being lazy shits?
Unfortunately, most parents are not tech savvy and don’t understand Twitch or how kids use the internet at all. On the face of it to most parents it just looks like a gaming thing. To these people the internet is basically platforms like Facebook on their phones. When they eventually hopefully catch little Johnny watching furry penises on Twitch it’s already too late and a lot of parents lack even the parenting skills to deal with that appropriately. Sadly, it doesn’t take much intelligence to procreate.
Personally, I’ve just blocked Twitch outright on my firewall with this change in policy for my kids and continue to monitor what they do as always. But fortunately unlike the majority of parents I actually know how to deal with it either way.
Different approach but I don’t block anything. I watch twitch streams but show my kids what’s out there. Basically the world is fair play just be aware of where everything is coming from. I don’t get half the shit on twitch but damn those women know their demographics lol
If they want to look at this stuff I’m not naive enough to think they won’t find a way to do so. But I’m not about to make it as easy as being recommended it by Twitch just because Bezos wants more ad revenue.
No actually they have a more open stance if the stream is properly labeled and just won’t promote those labels on their front page
Would you look at that, nice.
its annoying
don’t watch it then?
Not a surprise. There were boobs being fully exposed and no effort to cover them.
I can pretty much guarantee that these streamers were all wearing some kind of strapless bra, halter, or pasties just out of view of the camera. Way safer than risking a nip slip resulting in a permaban
Twitch is stripchat, just simply as that. Any female model can just do live stream, promote their +18 Links, and be half naked 24/7 just to get donates and subs. And yes for most people this is fine, cause who cares if a kid will access hot tubs for example. Who cares if Twitch is promoting those +18 models, who cares? None, none, not even Twitch.
As we community we should hold guidelines, but guess what ? We can’t.
I’m on Twitch almost since it’s begging, Twitch was supposed to be SWF platform.
Were you on Justin.TV?
As long as they continue to reap their cut, they’ll gladly devolve into purple Chaturbate. Their only guiding principal is revenue.
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No one has to watch the channels they don’t want to watch. Change the channel if you don’t like it. That’s why they’re called channels.
They’re constantly popping up on the front page
They do say they’re changing that, so we’ll see if it goes away
Why are people so bothered by bare skin?
Because American puritanical culture has conditioned people to see it as taboo… it’s a lot different in the rest of the world.
It’s funny how defederating a lemmy instance based on ideological differences is community guidlines this, content moderation that, but twitch enforcing a moderation policy is a puritanical america problem. :D
There’s nothing wrong with porn, but there are plenty of good, existing places to do it. This is just world politics vs. anime titties all over again.
Can you elaborate on that politics vs anime thing?
I don’t know the background of exactly how it happened, but on Reddit there’s a subreddit called anime_titties that is actually about world politics.
The mods in the world politics subreddit got lazy and stopped doing their jobs, so people started posting porn there in protest. The hive mind did as the hive mind does, and, inspired by the Trees/Marijuana Enthusiasts thing, someone created a subreddit called Anime Titties in order to talk about world politics.
Nah I wouldn’t say it is different in the rest of the world. Yes, open minded people everywhere don’t get bothered by bare skin in a lot of situations, but there are also a lot of people that perceive it as a taboo. Besides that, a lot of people that okay with bare skin on many contexts, there are still many of them that don’t expect or want a bare skin to be a factor in a lot of others, varying by individuals.
For example, I wouldn’t mind bare skin and varying degrees of intimacy in a lot of entertainment media, but still I would expect this to me a non-factor in the indicator of quality in most of them. For twitch, a platform that has come about and widely known as a gaming streaming site, I would expect the key performance indicators of content creators to be their gaming skills and gaming related entertainment value, not their bare skin. Alas all of us know that bare skin would definitely be a factor in the KPI of content creators because also sex sells, but I’m not going to Twitch to purchase sex.
The amount of movies marked R in America that get G/PG ratings in Europe and other places in the world because they show nudity is rather high. It’s a running joke that showing tits, love and affection gets you restricted but copious amounts of violence, gore and murder is okay for everyone in the US, while rest of the world has it reversed, and that it explains quite a lot about the US.
First one to come to mind is Amelie. It’s R, restricted to adults only like porn in the US, South-Korea and Malaysia, but 7 in Sweden & Swizerland, 11 in Finland, G in Japan and Spain and so on.
Are you sure that seeing this on the front page of the art category is not taboo? i.imgur.com/nSrEqvD.png
I’d say, Twitch is ever increasingly less and less about games and more and more is just becoming PornHub. So, it’s ripe for child exploitation (teenagers) and potentially could scare away advertisers.
Just Chatting has been the dominant category for a very long time. Justin.tv was used for the creator to stream his daily life. This isn’t anything new.
Because everyone is trying to use sexy/sexuality to sell their crap and I’m absolutely tired of it.
Literally what is wrong with that
One thing is wrong is that this site accumulated alot of children auditory with fortnite and Minecraft streams and then allowed nudity
If you’ve seen the just chatting category, this is nothing new. People have been skirting ToS since the beginning. That’s why there’s an option to allow mature audiences or not, although it could be a lot more granular since mature language is basically on the same maturity as full blown nudity according to the option.
Don’t watch it then? 🤷